Heartland’s ICCC 2023 — Live from Orlando

by Kip Hansen — Reporting Live from Orlando — 23 → 25 February 2023

15th International Conference on Climate Change

Is the true crisis climate change … or climate policy?


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Tom Moser, Marty Cornell, Greg Goodnight of The Right Climate Stuff gave a group presentation on Energy.

Global Temperatures and CO2 cycle; Most of the change depends on the Sun; Mother Nature, not Humans, are in Control. There is, of course, no climate crisis. Moser called for a co-ordinated national campaign to educate the public on the truth on Climate Change.

Marty Cornell: Net Zero: Materially Impossible. Decarbonization will raise the risk of increasing extreme poverty. The vulnerability of critical materials supply necessary for Net Zero. And highlights the need to raise public awareness of the problems that will thwart Net Zero. :

Bob Bauman introduced the topic of Nuclear, which has had little attention during this conference. He explained what Small Modular [nuclear] Reactors (SMRs). If you are interested in the use if SMRs to break the deadlock of our electrical production system, watch this presentation at Heartland.

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Wolfgang Müller led off the session titled: Why Net Zero Is Impossible: The Continuing Need and Value of Fossil Fuels. He spoke from the viewpoint of Germany. Germany has been lucky this winter — which has been warmer than usual.

Robert Bradley Jr. from the Institute for Energy Research. He supports Free Market Energy Framework. Private Property Rights, Rule of Law and Civil Society. Considers that we have a politically wounded energy industry. Very interesting history of electricity production and marketing. Advocates repealing several Federal laws in the USA to end spiraling government intervention.

Linnea Lueken, “Bio-fuels” Ethanol, Biodiesel, and Bio-mass [pelletized plant mass]. Surprisingly, she tells us that ethanol and bio-diesel have better octane and cetane ratings than standard gasoline and diesel. But these biofuels have lower Energy Density than gasoline and normal diesel. Ethanol does provide some “savings” of CO2 emissions but for mile driven, emissions are higher for Ethanol. Using food crops for fuel production, prices of food rise.

Biomass, pelletized wood for burning in a power plant. Not crazy for wood waste. Wood does not have the energy density of coals. While controversial, it cannot be assumed that wood plants have less net CO2 emissions. Burning wood produces lots of other pollutants.

But, are they worthless? No, she says. It is important to do a full cost/benefit analysis. Oddly, motorsports use a lot of ethanol. Checkout here papers on these topics:

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One of Arizona’s U.S. Representatives, Lauren Boebert, gave us her viewpoints on climate change — climate change is real, it happens four times a year. She was surprised to have a photo displayed on the big screen of her smoking a cigar with Jim Lakely and others the previous evening. Lauren openly and without embarrassment declared her religious faith and her belief in this nation and the necessity of preserving freedom. Like many of you readers, she admits that she can’t stand politicians. She spoke with a mobile mic — because she isn’t tall enough to stand behind the lectern despite 4 inch heels. But she packs the punch of a 6 footer!

Congress is broken, there is extreme dysfunction in the House. She is a proponent of Single Subject Legislation. She is obviously a Republican. She is actively fighting the crazy Green/Leftist agenda. Again, catch her who speech at Heartland.

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Keynote Lunch: Our first speaker is Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin. He is somewhat famous for saying in a televised interview that the Climate Crisis was Bull S–t. Only he didn’t say the last two words out loud…but CNN had a translator come in and read his lips. Scandal followed.

A very powerful speaker and knowledgeable on the subject on the “Climate Crisis” and why it doesn’t exist and the motives of the political movement behind it. He spoke of the foolishness of the government response to Covid — and the measures implemented, not to stop of pandemic, but to control the economy. Catch his talk at Heartland’s site.

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Severe Weather and Climate Change with Joe Bastardi, Christopher Monckton, and Stanley Goldenberg.

Stanley Goldenberg is a real hurricane expert — a Research Meteorologist with the Hurricane Research Division/AOML/NOAA located in Miami, Florida. He has flown through the eye of many hurricanes, has been at NOAA for decades. Out simply, AGW has not caused more or more powerful hurricanes.

The measurements are temporally heterogeneous, non-homogeneity, thus cannot be compared to one another. Measurements today are far better and collect more and better measurements. We see also Spatial Non-homogeneity. If measurements are taken differently over different areas, the data set will not be fit for purpose. Why is the media inaccurate on hurricanes — Ignorance, Sloppiness, Bias, and Deliberate Lies. Models “tell us” (see William Briggs on models) that hurricanes will get stronger and more frequent – in the future. There are cycles in hurricane data, but in trends.

Joe Bastardi, formerly with AccuWeather and now with WeatherBell, asked Is the Weather Getting Worse? Joe loves heavy weather! [ When I was living living on boats and ships, I did too, as long as I was safely tied to a dock.) Joe makes a good argument that the 1930s had weather that he liked better — it was worse. There is nothing like the weather to teach humility.

Lord Christopher Monckton will speak on Why Extreme Weather Was Wrongly Expected. You have to watch or listen to this informative and amusing presentation.

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Greg Wrightstone, of the CO2 Coalition, gave us a presentation in the Killing Agriculture to Save the Planet session about the improvement in agricultural productivity in America’s breadbasket — the Midwest. Almost all critical statistics have been rising and rising improved weather and CO2 enhancement.

Dr. Patrick Moore, one of the co-founders of Greenpeace, addressed the crowd on the campaign Allow Golden Rice Now. The use of the term “genetically modified” as a disparaging descriptor is false and wrong. Most of our fruits and vegetables we but in the grocery stores in the USA, Europe and Australia have been purpose bred to have the traits we desire. GMOs are safer than conventionally bred crops.

GMO corn, cotton, rice, potatoes– widely grown in the world today. Golden Rice provides the necessary Vitamin A precursor — beta-carotene. Today’s Greenpeace led a mob to destroy demonstration fields of Golden Rice in the Philippines. There is no “bad thing” in GMO foods.

David Legates, informed us about the un-natural fight against Nitrous Oxide [ N2O ] now called “a super-pollutant”. N2O is part of the nitrogen cycle and that is part of the fertilizer cycle that is increasing crop yields around the world. “Solutions” include outlawing fertilizer, composting your dead grandmother and other equally nutty ideas that are totally unnecessary.

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Readers should know that there are two presentations happening in each time slot and I can only attend one of them. To get the full impact of the conference, that’s HERE.

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Our breakfast speaker was new to the climate field — Marlo Oaks, the Treasurer of the State of Utah. He gave a marvelous presentation on the Dangers of ESG. (Environmental, Social, and Governance). ESG masquerades as a responsible investing.  Seeks an outcome – based on leftist-progressive values and politics. ESG masquerades as a responsible investing.  ESG seeks an outcome – based on leftist-progressive values and politics. ESG itself is a danger to society. Go over to Heartland Institute’s website and listen to the presentation in its entirety.

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Good Morning, World! Another beautiful day in Central Florida. Some of the conference attendees wear layers — conference clothes (it is well air-conditioned in the meeting rooms) over poolside clothes. The pool area is just a few steps from the meeting rooms. Lots of couples with little “I love amusement parks!” kids, all cute-as-a-button, not an unfortunate child among them. And the languages spoken! I have identified French, Italian, two dialects of Chinese, Tagalog (of some other Philippine dialect), Spanish (of course), Korean and half a dozen others a total mystery to me.

Every child is adorned with a clever t-shirt with a slogan that makes one smile or is hugging a plush toy representing the cartoon characters we all know and loved when we were kids.

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Tonight’s Keynote Dinner featured the presentation of two major awards.

The first award, the Dauntless Purveyor of Climate Truth was presented to the magnificent Jo Nova, who has been pushing climate truths from Australia since 2008, after publishing The Skeptics Handbook I and the Skeptics Handbook II (both .pdfs). Jo Nova attended by video meeting.

Previous recipients of this prestigious award have been Jay Lehr, Marc Morano and Walter Cunningham.

The second award was the Frederick Seitz Award. Seitz participated in the development of solid state physics for over 50 years. Later in life, he became involved in the physics of the climate issue and was a pillar of the skeptic movement.

The award was given to Christopher Essex. In his acceptance speed, Essex (a Canadian physicist), referred to climate models as “cartoons” and described a cartoon world. His view is that they are not fit to be used for government policy. And because climate models are not “theories”, they can’t be used to perform experiments.

Wrapping up the dinner session was a excellent presentation by Alex Epstein, a powerful speaker with a powerful message: “We should be using more fossil fuels, not less — towards the goal of human flourishing.

The slide deck of his presentation can be obtained by emailing resources@alexepstein.com.

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Steve Milloy! Breaking News: on Fox News this morning. Steve Milloy vs. ChatGPT.

Milloy points out what most readers here know, El Niños drive warming, not emissions.

NetZero is not possible. The technologies required do not yet exist.

That report is here.

Speaking in data analysis and models for SCC was Kevin Dayaratna. Can we model the economic impact of the re-entry to the Paris Agreement? The Heritage Foundation built a model to find out. As a resulkt of their models?

Ben Lieberman spoke in the benefits of air conditioning, saving 18,000 lives in the USA every year. The benefits fall not only in adults, but children learn much better in air conditioned schools. But the alarmists want to ban, restrict access to, or make air conditioners too expensive for those that need them most.

The battle is not only against the electrical use of air conditioners. But the second battle is against the refrigerants used in air conditioners — HFCs or freons. The Kagali accords call for more expensive replacements.

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Ronald Stein does a terrific job of making the point that renewable energy systems (solar, wind turbines) can ONLY make electricity — they cannot make the things that use the electricity. Things that use electricity — cell phones, hospital equipment, even wind turbines — are made from petroleum and its derivatives. If we quit developing fossil fuel sources, we will not be able to manufacture the millions of items made from petroleum. We must have oil and we must have oil refineries.

Modern agriculture depends on nitrogen fertilizers, which are manufactured with petroleum derivatives.

There are 1.4 Billion gas/diesel powered vehicles. And only 12 million EVs. EVs are mostly used as second vehicles — and only drive about 5000 miles per year.

Stein’s Bottom Line? We mustn’t give up fossil fuels until we have a replacement for all that it does.

Linnea Lueken, Heartland Institute, spoke on the U.S. oil industry. She has worked off-shore on oil drilling rigs. She explains that the Federal government threatens to ban drilling for oil and gas on Federal land while international banks are refusing to finance oil exploration. Thus, not all existing oil leases are actually in production.

Interfering with the processes of exploration, drilling, pumping and moving oil from well to refinery. Protests and “law-fare” (filing nuisance suits to obstruct or delay petroleum projects.

In the USA? Existing oil/gas pipelines in operation today:

From her off-shore rig experience, Linnea supports the Rigs-to-Reefs effort. (BTW, she is absolutely right. Anytime anything solid is placed into the seas and oceans, it becomes a reef – it can be a single rock, a battleship, or an active or abandoned oil rig).

Next up was Alex Epstein, author of the new book, Fossil Future: Why Global Human Flourishing Requires More Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas–Not Less. He is a proponent of human flourishing which requires more, not less, oil, natural gas and coal. The climate change movement, the climate catastrophists, want the goal of Net Zero, the policies of which will result in the opposite of human flourishing.

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Speaking at the Keynote Lunch today, all the way from Australia, the incomparable Ian Plimer — author of Green Murder. Dr Plimer told the audience that the world’s geologists do not think that humans can change or control planetary processes — like the climate. Geologists, like himself, look to the past to inform us of the present and the possible future. Plimer advises that we mustn’t just look at the atmosphere, but at the seas, the land and the rocks. He points out that Earth has Ice Ages when CO2 levels in the atmosphere were a great deal higher than today. The atmosphere has many cycles, the oxygen cycle, the CO2 cycle, the warming and cooling or oceans and atmosphere. The re-configuring of the continents has contributed to the current cool period. We are in a crisis of common sense — there is not enough of it — and we are in a crisis of CO2 — there is not enough of it in the atmosphere.

Marlo Oaks, treasurer of Utah, was to speak at the luncheon. Unfortunately his plane was delayed and he has been put on the re-schedule list.

Filling that spot, is the unstoppable Marc Morano. His topic was the Great Reset.

Make sure to catch his very enthusiastic presentation at Heartlands site where they will soon have YouTubes of conference.

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In answer to a question from the audience, inquiring about the government’s insistence on regulating methane, Dr. Will Happer, who was also in attendance, stated “It (methane) is trivial. There is no reason to regulate methane.”

Dr. Richard Lindzen spoke on climate sensitivity and that there seems to be two types of climate change. One in the tropics and one at the poles. The cause? Physics (which is not a surprise coming from one of the leading physicists in the USA): The rotation of the Earth.

Dr. Lindzen stated clearly that he thinks that the climate skeptic movement is not winning the battle for the public mind. The alarmists use the principle of Goebbels: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” By appealing to the insecurity of non-scientists with simple narratives and easy to understand, even if false, analogies like “CO2 is like a blanket.”

Dr. Judith Curry spoke in a pre-recorded presentation about the problems of the current scientific approaches to the climate change issue and how we might better take a Wicked Science appraoch.

Ross McKitrick reviewed recent papers, including his own, on the Social Cost of Carbon. Recent estimates run from $5.25 per tin down through $3.39, $0.15 to minus $0.72. The minus cost means that increasing CO2 is a net gain for society.

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Anthony Watts previewed his new Global Open Atmospheric Temperature System that can be installed by any educated person who can operate a crescent wrench and connect to a WiFi network.

Stay tuned for links and more information, I hope.

[Alas, no web site yet. It is simply that new. Anthony estimates it will be at least a couple of weeks befre there is more information available. The purpose of these is to create a private climate network, out of the hands of politicians and entirely unbiased. The planned network will have no agenda. ]

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I’ve ducked out of Anthony Watts’ session on Temperatures to share with you the link to the LIVE STREAM of the Conference fro Heartland Institute:


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Heartland Institute’s 15th International Conference on Climate Change kicked off this evening  with a “Meet the Speakers” reception.  While it was advertised as a “dessert reception”, attendees were treated to a wide variety of dinner offerings:  hamburgers, beef and veggies, shrimp, salads, southern-stye mac-n-cheese and many other dishes, all to be eaten either “reception style” standing at small high tables or at regular 8-person round dinner tables.

And who was there ?  Everyone but you!  Not really.  But in attendance were all the speakers that will be making presentations over the next 48 hours including:  Will Happer, Patrick Moore, Anthony Watts, Richard Lindzen, Dr. Willie Soon,  Ian Plimer, Cork Hayden, Ronald Stein, Alex Epstein, Marc Morano, Greg Wrightstone, James Taylor, David Legates, Christopher Monckton,  and many many more whose names you would immediately recognize.   These stellar personalities didn’t just stand at the lectern and lecture, they circulated, shook hands and chatted – face-to-face with all comers as equals.

And not just the “big names”, but a ton of people who, if you knew the handles they use when commenting on the blogs and podcasts, you would be glad to meet.

The highlight of the evening was the screening of a new climate skeptical 1-hour documentary titled “A Climate Conversation”.  A terrific movie, which was shown for the first time outside of its production studios, is not yet available for public viewing…but you will want to see it as soon as it is.

Stay tuned, more tomorrow at noon.

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I am here at the fabulous Hilton Orlando Lake Buena Vista in Orlando, Florida where the world’s true, and best, experts on the climate have gathered to analyze the latest climate science and the wrong-headed energy and policy solutions that the world’s governments are determined to impose on us all. Check back here often over the next three days for the very latest news, which will appear at the top of this post as it is published.

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Author’s Comment:

My thanks go out to the Heartland Institute for providing me with Media Access to the conference, and to the CO2 Coalition for again inviting me to attend as a member….and, more so, many thanks to Anthony Watts and the ever-striving Charles the Marvelous Moderator who make WUWT not only possible, but have made it the world’s most viewed internet blog on climate.

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February 23, 2023 11:37 pm

Noon at what time zone? I’d like to tune in.

Reply to  Walter
February 24, 2023 12:55 am

Presumably local time !!

Ron Long
February 24, 2023 5:20 am

Go for it, Kip! Maybe check out the Steve Milloy, Junk Science, climate “debate” with a ChatGPT, which WOKE-programmed pseudo AI finally admitted no global warming since 2015.

Steve Z
February 24, 2023 6:34 am

I notice that the January 2023 US Surface Temperature from the US Climate Reference Network is one week overdue.

My first two thoughts…

Is it unusually cool – and they do not want that reported at the Heartland Conference?

Or, is it unusually warm – and they want to embarrass Climate Realists by releasing it during the Heartland Conference?

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Bob Weber
February 24, 2023 7:06 am

Kip, you and everyone there can rest assured that the sun, not CO2, is the climate controller.

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Fred Haynie
Reply to  Bob Weber
February 24, 2023 8:30 am

The sun is the source of most of the energy the earth receives, but water, not CO2, is controlling the local atmospheric temperature. Much more energy goes into the processes of evaporation/condensation and freezing/ thawing than raising the temperature of a minor components such as CO2 and methane. Think about what is happening in tropical thunder clouds in contrast to freezing water at night in a desert.

Bob Weber
Reply to  Fred Haynie
February 24, 2023 9:10 am

Everything you said Fred falls in under the sun’s power and influence on hydrology.

Over time as the ocean warmed from higher irradiance, it also radiated more heat, water vapor, and CO2 into the atmosphere. Major precipitation climate indices follow a pattern: less rain/snow and more drought under long duration low solar activity, and vice versa under high solar activity.

The recent La Nina and droughts were from low solar activity, and the deluges of rain and snow in the last year have been driven by high solar activity, breaking the La Nina and the droughts, predictably. From my 2022 AGU Frontiers in Hydrology poster, solar thresholds for precipitation/drought which were exceeded handily during the last year.

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February 24, 2023 8:25 am

Is the Arctic blast of cold air on the way to the USA?
Los Angeles has first blizzard warning in decades. As much as five feet of snow could fall in some areas of usually balmy Southern California
Six days ago I suggested that polar vortex is about to split and loose control of the Arctic jet stream with cold Arctic air masses moving into southern Canada and the USA.

It looks as it is already there.
Michigan: “Utilities across the country fear ice storms like we fear nothing else,” said Trevor Lauer, president of DTE Electric. “We’ve not had an ice storm in the last 50 years that has impacted our infrastructure like this.”

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Bob Weber
Reply to  vuk
February 24, 2023 9:26 am

“I suggested that polar vortex is about to split and loose control of the Arctic jet stream with cold Arctic air masses moving into southern Canada and the USA”

Good call Vuk, it was split by the solar activity driven stratospheric warming event.

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I’m still snowblowing the aftermath in Michigan.

Reply to  vuk
February 25, 2023 1:37 am

Strongest snowstorm in years’ leaves Californians delighted and frozen
… And while more research is required to determine the role of the climate crisis in setting the stage this storm, it does align with models that show an increase in extreme weather.


B.S.^2, I say.

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Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  vuk
February 26, 2023 4:29 pm

Grauniad just following the sciency line that all weather occurrences prove the theory.
A foot of ice in the Sahara would be shown to be anthropogenic without a doubt.

February 24, 2023 10:47 am

Dr. Lindzen stated clearly that he thinks that the climate skeptic movement is not winning the battle for the public mind. The alarmists use the principle of Goebbels: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” By appealing to the insecurity of non-scientists with simple narratives and easy to understand, even if false, analogies like “CO2 is like a blanket.”
Dr. Judith Curry spoke in a pre-recorded presentation about the problems of the current scientific approaches to the climate change issue and how we might better take a Wicked Science appraoch.

not winning is correctsceptics are not winning because
a. they misrepresent the science
b. they engage in personal attacks
c their arguments are all over the map and inconsistent
d. they misunderstand the difference between analogies and argument
e. they keep trying to define science as something its not
f. they demand proof from a field –science– that by design only offers probabilities
g they make stupid comments about nazis

use the N word — you lose

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Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 24, 2023 2:25 pm

Propaganda’s success is inversely proportional to degree of the subject’s Comprehension.
Ps = 1/Cs

Martin Brumby
Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 24, 2023 7:38 pm

You were obviously looking in the mirror when you listed your ‘a to g’ above.

Even Michael Mann might have been a bit more honest, a bit more self aware.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 25, 2023 1:24 am

Climate alarmist s are not winning because

a. they misrepresent the science
b. they engage in personal attacks
c their arguments are all over the map and inconsistent
d. they misunderstand the difference between analogies and argument
e. they keep trying to define science as something its not
f. they claim proof from a field –science– that by design only offers probabilities
g they make stupid comments about nazis

Rich Davis
Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 25, 2023 8:18 am

“They engage in personal attacks”
Oh poor snowflake! Did somebody hurt your feelers again?

Reply to  Rich Davis
February 25, 2023 2:48 pm

Mosh’s comments are a personal attack on his own lack of morality and intelligence.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 25, 2023 2:47 pm

But Mosh, Those are things YOU and your AGW mates do.

So your argument is ridiculous.

The battle is difficult because the MSM and their attention-grabbing FAKE headlines hold sway over the demented politicians.

February 24, 2023 1:40 pm

Anthony Watts previewed his new Global Open Atmospheric Temperature System that can be installed by any educated person who can operate a crescent wrench and connect to a WiFi network.

it will be interesting to see yall install one next to a real CRN for calibration.

otherwise i doubt the construction and installation

Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 25, 2023 12:42 pm

Should it be widely installed, I would expect at least as many site problems as with the official network.

February 24, 2023 2:39 pm

She explains that the Federal government threatens to ban drilling for oil and gas on Federal land while international banks are refusing to finance oil exploration.

like i told yall

fossil fuels are dead. literally and metaphorically.

since 2014 investment is down

they see the future

Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 25, 2023 2:51 pm

If fossil fuels die.. so does civilisation. That is the future they WANT to see.

So much so, that they aim to CAUSE that degradation of western civilisation.

Modern civilisation relies totally on the huge benefits provided by the use of fossil fuels.

Chris Hanley
February 24, 2023 3:05 pm

Dr. Lindzen stated clearly that he thinks that the climate skeptic movement is not winning the battle for the public mind

‘Climate change’ is a First World concern, the overwhelming majority of the world population don’t care, they want to live like an upper middle class American or better and they will but not by using wind and solar.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 25, 2023 1:26 am

On the contrary the groundswell from the silent majority is now firmly sceptical.
And renewable energy is not seen as a lucky talisman, but an albatros round the nations neck.

Henry Pool
February 25, 2023 8:11 am

I just watched the presentation by Patrick Moore. Amazing. Amazing. This story is so simple to understand. Too bad so many people can’t understand it. That the lie has become so enormous that it has led all of humanity – or at least a very large part of it – astray. We have to consider that this idea of gas purity is probably just as diabolical as the idea of racial purity back in the late thirties. (of the previous century)
You wonder who is behind it, and who wants the confusion to continue.

Joe Gordon
February 25, 2023 12:56 pm

Boebert (from Colorado, not Arizona) unfortunately, like AOC, is one of those polarizing figures whose association with anything damns it in the eyes of the opposition. It’s good to have attention from legislators, but maybe not have the most extreme speak, because that will be the headline from the mainstream propaganda outlets (I mean media).

Jeff Id
February 26, 2023 4:36 am

I was hoping WUWT would take this one.


it’s a significant attack on freedom

Joseph Zorzin
February 26, 2023 5:12 am

Too bad this conference will not be mentioned in any MSM anywhere on the planet.

Joseph Zorzin
February 26, 2023 9:40 am

off topic but I just watched one of Dr. John Robson’s best climate videos

Icing A Climate Scare

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 26, 2023 4:23 pm

He’s a treasure, love his website, no one beats him for mockery and snark

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 27, 2023 7:07 am

I sent that link for Robson’s video to my nephew who then sent back a link to a young UK geologist who thinks he vastly smarter who debunks Robson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCc3EuPX-c. This guy says he’s a geologist with advanced climate science background. It turns out when he posted his video- I came across it quite a while ago and asked him for his qualifications and I just found my comment and his reply. So, I decided to comment on his reply with the following:

“OK, you’ve debunked a historian. Now please debunk Judith Curry, Richard Lindzen, Bjorn Lomborg, Alex Epstein, Willie Soon, John Christy, Roy Spencer, William Happer, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer, Tim Ball. Now that you warmed up with an easy target, a mere historian, I think it would be a more serious contribution by debunking these other scientists. (Epstein of course is a philosopher, not a scientist)”

I’m sure he’ll reply. Perhaps some others here might jump into that discussion. I read most of the comments to his video and almost everyone cheered him while slamming Robson. Of course none actually discuss what Robson says- just attack him as a scammer, shill for the fossil fuel industry, blah, blah, blah. Pisses me off!

Egbert Souse
February 26, 2023 11:18 am
Pat from Kerbob
February 26, 2023 4:22 pm
E. Schaffer
February 26, 2023 7:25 pm

Cork Hayden is always talking the same nonsense. The “mistake” he identified is only his non-understanding of the physics. I just wonder why the other people there don’t tell him. If however no one understands his mistake, then that is really a tragic sign of incompetence with all of them.

He equates a forcing of 3.7W/m2 would mean an increase of the GHE of the same magnitude. This is not true. And certainly he could not produce a single source for this claim in the literature. He just erroneously assumes it.

The forcing of 3.7W/m2 would apply to the emission level. The this forcing would suffice to elevate the emission level by 150m. Or at the same level respectively, the temperature would increase from 255 to 256K.

255^4*5.67e-8 = 239.74
256^4*5.67e-8 = 243.52

The difference between the two is 3.78W/m2, so almost 3.7

Going from 288 to 289K at the surface will mean a significant larger increase in surface emissons.

(289/288^4-1)*5.67e-8 = 5.44W/m2.

This is not a contradiction, but plain physics. Multiply this with feedbacks and the whole “contradiction” dissolves into nothing.

Notably he is close to a real problem with the science, and that is lambda. It is not 0.3, but only 0.264 (theoretically) and about 0.27 in reality. But that is another story.

February 27, 2023 8:56 pm

What happened to Lord Monckton? Can’t find him on the Heartland website.

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