Giant Space Bubbles. Source MIT, fair use, low resolution image to identify the subject.

MIT Proposes Giant Space Bubbles to Reverse Climate Change

Essay by Eric Worrall

According to MIT researchers, blowing bubbles in space to block sunlight might be the solution to our climate woes. But MIT, like all the others, are ignoring a fundamental flaw with solar geoengineering schemes. Plants need sunlight.

MIT Scientists Propose Space Bubbles to Reverse the Worst of Climate Change

Angely Mercado
Published 2 days ago: June 17, 2022 at 4:48 am

A team of researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology believe that we can mitigate the worst of climate change with… space bubbles. They’ve outlined a strategy in which a huge raft of bubbles, carefully positioned between Earth and the Sun, would deflect sunlight (and thus heat) to stop further global warming.

“Geoengineering might be our final and only option. Yet, most geoengineering proposals are earth-bound, which poses tremendous risks to our living ecosystem,” a web page dedicated to the solution reads. “If we deflect 1.8% of incident solar radiation before it hits our planet, we could fully reverse today’s global warming.”

The bubble array would be made of inflatable shields of thin silicon or another suitable material, according to the team. The bubble cluster would be placed in outer space at a Lagrange Point, where the Sun’s and Earth’s gravitational pulls create a stable orbit. The researchers also said that if the plan becomes a reality in the future, the completed array would be roughly the size of Brazil.

They admitted that one of the main concerns with their proposal would be the logistics of fabricating a large film, transporting it into space, and then unfolding it to form the bubble raft. They suggested fabricating the spheres in outer space to minimise shipping costs.

Read more: https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/06/mit-scientists-propose-space-bubbles-to-reverse-the-worst-of-climate-change/

The main project website is available here.

This project seems more fun than other geoengineering favourites, like blowing sulphuric acid or lime dust into the stratosphere. But aside from immense cost, all these geoengineering fantasies suffer a fatal flaw.

If ever implemented, solar geoengineering could cause a global famine.

Published: 

Estimating global agricultural effects of geoengineering using volcanic eruptions

Jonathan ProctorSolomon HsiangJennifer BurneyMarshall Burke & Wolfram Schlenker 

Abstract

Solar radiation management is increasingly considered to be an option for managing global temperatures1,2, yet the economic effects of ameliorating climatic changes by scattering sunlight back to space remain largely unknown3. Although solar radiation management may increase crop yields by reducing heat stress4, the effects of concomitant changes in available sunlight have never been empirically estimated. Here we use the volcanic eruptions that inspired modern solar radiation management proposals as natural experiments to provide the first estimates, to our knowledge, of how the stratospheric sulfate aerosols created by the eruptions of El Chichón and Mount Pinatubo altered the quantity and quality of global sunlight, and how these changes in sunlight affected global crop yields. We find that the sunlight-mediated effect of stratospheric sulfate aerosols on yields is negative for both C4 (maize) and C3 (soy, rice and wheat) crops. Applying our yield model to a solar radiation management scenario based on stratospheric sulfate aerosols, we find that projected mid-twenty-first century damages due to scattering sunlight caused by solar radiation management are roughly equal in magnitude to benefits from cooling. This suggests that solar radiation management—if deployed using stratospheric sulfate aerosols similar to those emitted by the volcanic eruptions it seeks to mimic—would, on net, attenuate little of the global agricultural damage from climate change. Our approach could be extended to study the effects of solar radiation management on other global systems, such as human health or ecosystem function.

Read more: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0417-3

The reality is there is no remotely plausible level of global warming which would make it worth taking the risk of attempting to reflect sunlight to cool the Earth.

Even if the conditions of the Early Eocene (5-8C warmer than today) returned, tropical conditions most of the way to the Arctic and Antarctic, plants would still grow, and farms would still be productive. Almost certainly more productive than today.

Our primitive primate ancestors dominated and prospered during the extreme warmth of the Early Eocene, with populations of primates exploding across Africa, Europe and Asia. So we have strong paleo evidence that warm weather is no threat to primates. We also know from today’s world, the Earth’s tropics are some of the most productive regions in the world.

Solar geoengineering by contrast has the potential to mess up the entire ecosystem, and cause widespread starvation and crop failures. Not just because cool periods are less productive, but also because plants suffer immensely if they are deprived of sunlight – so much so, even a mild volcanic perturbation is enough to produce a noticeable dip in production.

Attempting to tamper with the amount of sunlight Earth receives in my opinion would be far more dangerous than any remotely plausible negative consequences of global warming itself.

Obviously this is a worst case scenario. The odds are negligible of a solar geoengineering project like this ever advancing sufficiently to be a threat to the global ecosystem. But given the evidence of negative consequences, in my opinion MIT scientists shouldn’t even be making the attempt to promote this lunacy.

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Terence Gain
June 18, 2022 6:16 pm

Given that we in Eastern Ontario have just experienced the coldest spring in my 75 years, I’m curious as to whether they have a contingency plan to warm up the planet.

Reply to  Terence Gain
June 18, 2022 8:43 pm

bubbles….. meet pins !

Reply to  Terence Gain
June 18, 2022 11:01 pm

I’m forever blowing bubbles,

Pretty bubbles in the air,

They fly so high, nearly reach the sky,

Then like my dreams they fade and die.

Fortune’s always hiding,

I’ve looked everywhere,

I’m forever blowing bubbles,

Pretty bubbles in the air.

(West Ham United fans will recognise that song)

Reply to  Terence Gain
June 19, 2022 4:01 am

Here in SE Michigan I have turned off the furnace on June 15 every year and it remained off until after Labor Day. It was never needed. This year. for the first time since we moved into our home in 1987, the furnace has remained on after June 15. In fact right now at 7am it is on. The thermostat has been set at 70 degrees for the past 35 years. The only change has been the colder weather this year. We want our global warming back !

Reply to  Richard Greene
June 19, 2022 6:44 am

Would you mind sending some of that cold air down to us here in Atlanta?

Jack Frost
Reply to  Terence Gain
June 20, 2022 12:03 am

Same in North Wales, UK. This year, we have only had temperatures above 15 degrees C on two days. It’s the middle of June, and evening temperatures are below 8 degrees C.

jeff corbin
Reply to  Terence Gain
June 20, 2022 9:58 am

A giant bubble of C02 geopositioned over Eastern Ontario would warm up Ontario….as long as you don/t mind the acid rain.

June 18, 2022 6:17 pm

“Geoengineering might be our final and only option. 
_________________________________________

What could possibly go wrong?

Geoengineering is without merit. Tinkering with blocking sunlight, intentionally polluting the oceans with nutrients, burying charred trees or whatever crazy scheme climate science comes up with is asking for unpleasant and unintended consequences.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Steve Case
June 19, 2022 6:55 am

One possibility not considered here, maybe the authors are trying to provide cover for some politician to say, “Let’s stick with fossils for a while longer because we now have this MIT-approved backup plan.”

C’mon man, it’s only got to be the size of Brazil. How hard can that be? That’s only 300,000 square miles bigger than the lower 48 states.

The optimum solution for the climate grifters is to figure out some scenario where we no longer need to achieve the impossible in 7-1/2 years, but we still need to do a lot of mind-numbingly stupid stuff that keeps the funding troughs full. So we build as many eagle choppers and slaver panels as possible while redoubling, hell, requintupling spending on batteries. And there’s plenty of slop in the trough for you fusion researchers over here, and the space bubble crew get this pot of gold, and…and…and…

June 18, 2022 6:26 pm

Geoengineering might be our final and only option.

T’would be the (second) to last / final thing we ever did.

The Last Thing would be to utter the words “Oh shit

Pete Bonk
Reply to  Peta of Newark
June 18, 2022 8:20 pm

Or perhaps more politely: “Well, we certainly didn’t see that coming.”

H.R.
Reply to  Peta of Newark
June 18, 2022 11:26 pm

🤣🤣🤣 Home run, Peta.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
June 19, 2022 9:39 am

Speaking of “SWAG’ followed by ‘whoops, shit’ engineering…

Simonsays
June 18, 2022 6:28 pm

Another Thought Bubble from MIT

Ebor
Reply to  Simonsays
June 19, 2022 6:56 am

More like a fart bubble

Reply to  Simonsays
June 19, 2022 10:48 pm

How do we know the bubbles won’t be used to imprison us? (For those of us who remember the TV series ‘The Prisoner.’

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Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
June 21, 2022 1:45 pm

Good link to the past, thanks!

However, some modern cosmologist currently argue that our whole universe is already trapped in one of an infinite number of bubbles comprising the multiverse.

Then, too, unless you’ve taken the red pill per The Matrix, you won’t recognize that your body is already contained within a bubble so it acts as a “battery” to provide, in combination with nuclear energy, all the power needed by The Machines, for the Matrix and for other unspecified purposes.

RMT
June 18, 2022 6:32 pm

Ya well, we don’t need those bubbles because the goal here is to change the way people live so that it is mostly a socialist world where the elite control others and live as capitalists.
Global warming is the way to do that, so stop trying to solve a problem that we are using to get our way, so say the elite liberals.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  RMT
June 18, 2022 7:44 pm

Commies desired this new class they labeled as “experts”- both real & pretend scientists- which
they then used to establish their thugocracies. This is what Ike warned us about 60+ yrs ago.

https://mises.org/wire/why-progressives-love-government-experts

H.R.
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 18, 2022 11:28 pm

Well… Ike didn’t call it a thugocracy… but close enough, Old Man.

Stevek
June 18, 2022 6:34 pm

Simply nudge a huge asteroid so that I hits earth. There global warming solved for a few thousand years.

Scissor
Reply to  Stevek
June 18, 2022 8:00 pm

A MOAB in Davos might do it with less effect on the bulk of us.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Scissor
June 18, 2022 10:23 pm

I must admit, Scissor, I had a hard time getting that very idea and pondering how and who could accomplish it out of my head all during the last meeting of our Lords and Betters at Davos this year.
NOTE TO THE FBI AND CIA et al,
No, I have neither the means, nor skills to accomplish that. Relax.

H.R.
Reply to  .KcTaz
June 18, 2022 11:36 pm

Well, our congresscritters can certainly accomplish the equivalent of an asteroid hit on the U.S., but mostly they just kick the can down the road while raking in the dough.

They are stupid. Stupid, but quick to enrich themselves while they have the chance…………… all while kicking the can down the road.


That’s U.S., but same, same everywhere else in the world.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2022 6:31 am

Not sure if this is a red flag or not. Do you have any mother of all bombs in your personal arsenal?

Tentative red flag 🚩

Scissor
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 19, 2022 6:48 am

Sorry, did I say that? I meant many huge bouquets of daisies.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Scissor
June 19, 2022 7:40 am

Oh, ok that’s better. Red flag retracted.

DocBud
June 18, 2022 6:34 pm

The Law of Unintended Consequences would almost certainly come into play, impacting humans and all other species on the planet.

atticman
Reply to  DocBud
June 19, 2022 4:59 am

To paraphrase Mark Twain: “There are only 3 certainties in life: death; taxes; and the relentless operation of The Law of Unintended Consequences”.

Ellen
Reply to  DocBud
June 19, 2022 4:41 pm

It’s okay to cut down on sunlight that way. See, we have all this extra carbon dioxide, so the increased plant food will make up for the decreased sunlight. Keep us from freezing, too.

David Elstrom
June 18, 2022 6:34 pm

When the self-proclaimed geniuses start messing with grandiose ideas to fix the bogus climate change problem (where CO2 is viewed as a pollutant instead of plant food) what can possibly go wrong?

Mr.
Reply to  David Elstrom
June 18, 2022 8:21 pm

There is nothing more dangerous than an idiot who thinks he’s a genius.

As is often observed about Justin Trudeau.

Reply to  Mr.
June 18, 2022 11:06 pm

As is often observed about Justin Trudeau.

And most of our so-called “leaders”

Reply to  Mr.
June 19, 2022 9:41 am

The Dunning-Kreuger syndrome in a nutshell

another ian
Reply to  David Elstrom
June 19, 2022 12:46 am

When Victor Borge mentioned his uncle “who invented the cure for which there was no disease” it was humour.

Now that idea is a bloody serious problem

Craigusmaximus
Reply to  David Elstrom
June 19, 2022 11:25 am

Don’t you find it odd the leftards claim CO2 is basically a poison, but they willingly wore face masks that forced them to breath that poison? So is CO2 bad or not?

RevJay4
June 18, 2022 6:40 pm

OMG! Is it time to quit listening to the crackbrains who call themselves “scientists”? Seems like that time has arrived. If not been passed. MIT? Yikes.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  RevJay4
June 19, 2022 12:17 am

I don’t know, my friend, that techy institution in Mass. might just have something to offer if all those spacial cavities can be inflated with CO2, thus making them bubblelicious indeed! I may even be excused for wondering if this wasn’t first conceived gazing long through the night upon the frothy head atop a mug of the finest ale, whilst puzzling over how at last to make a name for oneself and so rationalize all that tuition expended, with every unintended consequence lost in the alcoholic reverie.

william Johnston
Reply to  RevJay4
June 19, 2022 5:17 am

We must give them credit for being concerned about shipping costs. It’s the most we should do.

Stevek
June 18, 2022 6:42 pm

I think the most original idea was to build huge warehouses in Antarctica that were cooled by nuclear or wind energy so much that it would snow co2 out of the air and then the co2 snow stored

Pete Bonk
Reply to  Stevek
June 18, 2022 8:27 pm

No one talks about how nature stores CO2 as (CO3)-2 and (HCO3)-1 in the oceans and as CaCO3 in 100s of meters thick beds of limestone in so many places around the world.

June 18, 2022 6:44 pm

Eric Worrall,

My recommended corrections to your very first paragraph:
“According to MIT researchers, blowing bubbles in space to block sunlight might be the solution to our climate woes. But MIT, like all the others, are ignoring a the fundamental flaw with solar geoengineering schemes that there are no climate “woes”. Plants need sunlight Claims need supporting facts.

Otherwise, thanks for the nice article that clearly reveals MIT’s rather surprising ignorance of the law of unintended consequences.

James
June 18, 2022 6:50 pm

Wow. I used to have the utmost respect for places like MIT. That’s pretty shocking … and depressing.

Alasdair
Reply to  James
June 19, 2022 12:33 am

MIT has already trashed its reputation as a valid academic institution. Why it continues to do so beats me.

Craigusmaximus
Reply to  Alasdair
June 19, 2022 11:26 am

Leftists…they ruin everything they touch.

ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 7:04 pm

Go for it…before the midterm elections please.

June 18, 2022 7:04 pm

They have a grandiose solution, they just do not have a valid problem to apply it to.

ResourceGuy
June 18, 2022 7:05 pm

No wonder Raytheon is leaving MA.

June 18, 2022 7:08 pm

Eric Worral::

The scientists propose putting bubbles in space to dim the sun’s rays.

Dimming of the sun’s rays is ALREADY being done, by SO2 aerosols from VEI4 and larger volcanic eruptions, and from the burning of fossil fuels by industrial activity..

When they are increased due to a volcanic eruption, average anomalous Jan-Dec global temperatures decrease, often causing a La Nina.

And when they are decreased, due to their settling out of the atmosphere, temperatures increase, usually forming an El Nino, due to the cleaner, more transparent air.

Earth’s temperatures so precisely track the amount of SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere that there is no room for any additional warming from “Greenhouse gases”

See my supportive papers on Google Scholar, or Research Gate…

Reply to  burl Henry
June 19, 2022 9:58 am

burl,

In you post you state: “Earth’s temperatures so precisely track the amount of SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere that there is no room for any additional warming from “Greenhouse gases”

Please provide a link to a reputable, science-based paper or article that proves that claim.

I note that massive SO2 aerosol injections from major volcanic eruptions are impulse-like events (i.e., very short time span geologically speaking) whereas since 1880 Earth’s average (atmospheric) surface temperatures change only very slowly, at an average rate of about 0.8 C per century, equivalent to 1.4 F per century (ref: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature ).

There is no evidence that SO2 aerosols are accumulating in Earths atmosphere, falsifying any claim that “Earth’s temperature so precisely track the amount of SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere“. In fact, try to find anywhere a listing of SO2 as a constituent of the makeup of air . . . you can’t, its average concentration is so low (<.01 ppmv) that it is considered to be trace gas in the atmosphere.

Drake
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 19, 2022 11:51 am

Sort of like CO2, a trace gas with no correlation to the “average temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere”.

So burl Henry must be a Climate Scientist, and we know THEY don’t need no stinking proof!

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 19, 2022 7:44 pm

Gordon A. Dressler:

A paper concluding that there is no warming from CO2 can be viewed at article

doi: https://www.10.46715/jescc2020.12.1000106

With respect to SO2 aerosols n the atmosphere, atmospheric levels of Industrial SO2 aerosol levels for the years 1750 to 2019 are available from the gridded Community Emissions Data System (CEDS) of the University of Maryland.

They peaked at 136 Megatons in 1979, and, because of Global Clean Air efforts, by 2019, they had fallen to 72 Megatons .

That is a LOT of dimming SO2 aerosols to remove from the atmosphere, considering that a typical VEI4 eruption, which often causes a La Nina) injects, on average, only 0.5 Megatons of SO2 into the stratosphere (as measured by satellite since 1979)

Since 1979, Clean Air efforts to reduce industrial SO2 aerosol has been responsible for essentially all of the background (temporary increases omitted) warming since then

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Reply to  burl Henry
June 19, 2022 8:12 pm

Gordon A. Dressler: Sorry, that link didn’t work.

The paper “a graphical explanation of climate change” is available as a pdf under my name on Google Scholar

Reply to  burl Henry
June 20, 2022 9:11 am

Well, I asked for:

a) a reputable, science-based paper or article that proves your claim

b) data that indicates SO2, in units of ppm (NOT in units of megatons averaged over the atmosphere) was/is anything more than a trace gas in Earth’s atmosphere.

And my assertion that the measured average 1.4 F/century global surface warming rate since 1880 is not matched by a measured decrease in atmospheric SO2 concentration still stands.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 20, 2022 7:56 pm

Gordon A. Dressler:

As you well know, it is impossible to get a paper published in any mainstream Journal if it does not support the Greenhouse gas hoax.

The papers that I had published are factual in all respects, and have been editorially reviewed. They are actually more credible than pal-reviewed papers.supporting the CO2 hoax.

Your comment that SO2 is only a trace gas in the atmosphere, is meaningless, It is enough to be the Control Knob of Earth’s temperatures. Increase global SO2 aerosols, and temperatures cool down. Decrease them, and it warms up.

Your average 1.4F/century is garbage. All that it would take to change it would be either a spate of volcanic eruptions (as during the LIA,) or a volcanic drought of about 10 years, or more.. Either will change the amount of sunshine reaching the Earth’s surface, and change the warming trajectory.

Reply to  burl Henry
June 20, 2022 8:29 pm

“Your average 1.4F/century is garbage.”

You clearly misunderstand. That value is not mine; I clearly identified that I obtained it from https://www.climate.gov with the detailed URL. You can find it there.

I suggest you contact NOAA, which maintains that website, to correct them on this value. Heck, they even make doing such very easy by providing a box labeled “We value your feedback” at the very bottom of the article that I linked.

After all, you have the credibility of having published papers on climate, so they will just have to listen to what you have to communicate as corrections.

Reply to  burl Henry
June 20, 2022 8:15 pm

burl,

So, I finally had some “throwaway” time to bother to lookup the estimated mass of Earth’s atmosphere, which is stated to be about 5.1 x 10^18 kg (data from https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html ).

That mass is equivalent to about 5.6 x 10^15 short tons (1 short ton = 2000 lbm).

Therefore, the peak SO2 aerosol emissions of 136 megatons that you stated occurred over year 1979 is equivalent to a total atmospheric annual delta-concentration of (136 x 10^6 tons)/(5.6 x 10^15 tons) = 2.4 x 10^(-8) = .024 ppmw = .011 ppmv.

Even if one wanted to restrict all of the 136 megatons of SO2 aerosols emissions in 1979 to just the troposphere (which contains about 75% of the mass of the total atmosphere), the Earth-averaged tropospheric SO2 concentration would only rise to .015 ppmv.

As I stated in my previous post, SO2 annualized-concentration in Earth’s atmosphere (as a gas or as aerosols) has never been more than that of a trace gas.

To the extent that large volcanoes can cause momentary-but-measurable dimming of sunlight reaching Earth’s surface, that is due predominately to dust and ash kicked up into the troposphere and stratosphere, not that much from SO2 aerosol injection.

Thus, in an overall context, SO2 aerosols are an insignificant factor in Earth’s energy balance and its warming or cooling trends.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 21, 2022 8:13 am

Gordon:

I quote from NASA’s Fact Sheet on Atmospheric Aerosols:

“Volcanic aerosols reflect sunlight, reducing the amount of energy reaching the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface, cooling them”

“Human-made sulfate aerosols absorb no sunlight, but they reflect it, thereby reducing the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface”

Their concentration in the atmosphere is meaningless, it is the effect that they produce, which is highly significant, and from a volcanic eruption, last about 12-16 months., whereas the dust can settle out within a week or two

You need to read their fact sheet on aerosols. .

Reply to  burl Henry
June 21, 2022 1:28 pm

Your statement:
Their concentration in the atmosphere is meaningless . . .”
is sufficient for me to end our discussions.

I wish you luck in convincing the scientific community that they are wrong (about the reasons for global warming, or lack thereof) and that you have the simple, single answer.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 21, 2022 7:12 pm

Gordon;

YOU NEED TO READ THE NASA FACTS ON SO2 AEROSOLS. WHICH PROVE THAT I AM CORRECT.

Or perhaps you have, and this is your way of avoiding embarrassment

Old Cocky
June 18, 2022 7:09 pm

There is nothing wrong with coming up with wild ideas. Some of them might even have merit.

The bubbles seem a variation on Larry Niven’s orbital “sunshades” from Ringworld.

The 2 immediate questions are:
1/ How will they counteract the solar wind to be kept in a suitable location?
2/ How can they be “deflated” quickly if they prove to be too effective?

Pete Bonk
Reply to  Old Cocky
June 18, 2022 8:32 pm

Clearly the bubbles should be made of photovoltaic materials and the resulting electricity bolted back down to earth. I suggest “The Shade of Zeus” as the name of the project…. 🙂

Rich Davis
Reply to  Pete Bonk
June 19, 2022 7:36 am

Good plan. However, I don’t think there are enough Uighurs in Xinjiang to build that many slaver panels.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 19, 2022 11:34 am

“slaver panels”

Very desciptive.

I think this should be the new name for Chicom solar panels.

Old Cocky
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 19, 2022 2:16 pm

It’s quite well documented that Thrintun products tend to be a bit of a double-edged sword.
That’s especially so if they were outsourced to the Tnuctipun.

Reply to  Old Cocky
June 21, 2022 5:48 pm

Thrintun race . . . long extinct.
Tnuctipun race . . . long extinct.

Please catch up on your Known Space chronology.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Old Cocky
June 19, 2022 7:27 am

Let’s focus first on how you could ever build something at a Lagrange point with a surface area of 8.5 million square km?

Then we could ask, if there is in fact some structural purpose for inflating it, how exactly are we getting all that gas up there?

And then, sure, does that make a ginormous solar sail?

Reply to  Rich Davis
June 21, 2022 5:43 pm

First we fund it . . . then we work out the engineering details. 🙂

J.R.
Reply to  Old Cocky
June 19, 2022 11:34 am

You wouldn’t have to deflate them, just rotate them 90 degrees so they’re no longer blocking the sunlight.

Old Cocky
Reply to  J.R.
June 19, 2022 2:10 pm

I’m not sure that’s particularly practical with a sphere…

Reply to  Old Cocky
June 21, 2022 8:09 pm

Exactly so: bubble = sphere . . . unless J.R. was referring to rotating them in 5-dimensional space.

Reply to  Old Cocky
June 21, 2022 5:41 pm

Can’t we just contract with some Puppeteers (just one might be sufficient) for a solar system redesign?

They’ll have a far better idea of what’s best than what we humans could ever imagine.

June 18, 2022 7:14 pm

”MIT Proposes Giant Space Bubbles to Reverse Climate Change”
Of course they do….

Richard Page
Reply to  Mike
June 19, 2022 2:42 pm

Obviously they’ve just changed to a new supplier and are getting used to whatever the new stuff is.

June 18, 2022 7:21 pm

Considering schemes to cool the earth is a waste of time. The human contribution to warming has been from water vapor increase, not CO2 increase. The observation that WV has increased substantially more than possible from just planet warming demonstrates it. https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com . WV increase is self-limiting so its influence on climate is self-limiting. A scatter-gram of average global temperature vs WV increase is showing signs we might already be there. The temperature trend since 2002 suggests the same thing. End result, the WV increase will have nudged temperatures up about 0.7 C° over what it would otherwise be.

TPW vs Berkeley Earth anomalies.jpg
Reply to  Dan Pangburn
June 18, 2022 9:19 pm

Huh ? Dave. Your graph shows a 2 mm Total Precipitable Water increase for 1 degree increase. Which pretty much confirms a 7% increase per degree temperature increase (vapor pressure OR equilibrium amount in the air at 1 atmosphere above a water surface). The world atmosphere averages 25 mm or so of TPW.

So increase in TPW is caused by increased ocean surface temp….not the other way around. This leads to more low level cloud cover, and less sunlight heating the ocean surface in the cloudy location for the next day or two, or maybe that afternoons thunderstorm….The vapor pressure of water and the local albedo of cloud cover control the planet’s temperature. Anything that causes surface warming just causes more evaporation and more cloud…causing cooling…plus long term effects of ocean surface warming or cooling such as PDO, AMO, that vary ocean surface temps a bit.

.KcTaz
Reply to  DMacKenzie
June 18, 2022 10:36 pm

There are scientists who differ with you.
Winter monsoons became stronger during geomagnetic reversal
Revealing the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate
http://bit.ly/2Zc7Fhl

July 3, 2019
Source:
Kobe University
New evidence suggests that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays affect the Earth’s climate by increasing cloud cover, causing an ‘umbrella effect’.
http://bit.ly/2KH9aAg
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190703121407.htm
Simple explanation

New evidence suggests that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays affect the Earth’s climate by increasing cloud cover, causing an ‘umbrella effect’.
http://www.kobe-u.ac.jp/research_at_kobe_en/NEWS/news/2019_07_03_01.html
Winter monsoons became stronger during geomagnetic reversal

*      July 3, 2019 Research Center for Inland Seas

Revealing the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate
New evidence suggests that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays affect the Earth’s climate by increasing cloud cover, causing an “umbrella effect”.

“The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has discussed the impact of cloud cover on climate in their evaluations, but this phenomenon has never been considered in climate predictions due to the insufficient physical understanding of it”, comments Professor Hyodo.

“This study provides an opportunity to rethink the impact of clouds on climate. When galactic cosmic rays increase, so do low clouds, and when cosmic rays decrease clouds do as well, so climate warming may be caused by an opposite-umbrella effect. The umbrella effect caused by galactic cosmic rays is important when thinking about current global warming as well as the warm period of the medieval era.”

“This study provides an opportunity to rethink the impact of clouds on climate. When galactic cosmic rays increase, so do low clouds, and when cosmic rays decrease clouds do as well, so climate warming may be caused by an opposite-umbrella effect. The umbrella effect caused by galactic cosmic rays is important when thinking about current global warming as well as the warm period of the medieval era.”\\Cosmic Rays up 12% in just 3 Years + Implications
https://electroverse.net/cosmic-rays-up-12-in-just-3-years-implications/
March 15, 2020

Cosmic Rays up 12% in just 3 Years + Implications
https://electroverse.net/cosmic-rays-up-12-in-just-3-years-implications/
March 15, 2020

Cosmic Rays hitting Earth’s atmosphere seed clouds (Svensmark et al), and cloud cover plays perhaps the most crucial role in our planet’s short-term climate change.
“Clouds are the Earth’s sunshade,” writes Dr Roy W. Spencer, “and if cloud cover changes for any reason, you have global warming — or global cooling…”
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The graph shows radiation dose rate (uGy/hr) vs. altitude (feet) all the way from ground level to the stratosphere, writes Dr Phillips. Radiation appears to be increasing at nearly all altitudes–even in the range 25,000 ft to 40,000 ft where airplanes fly — polar flight crews and passengers are therefore absorbing ~12% more cosmic radiation than they did only a few years ago.
So, what’s causing the increase?
The answer, Solar Minimum.
At the moment, the sun is near the bottom of the 11-year solar cycle. During Solar Minimum, the sun’s magnetic field weakens, allowing extra cosmic rays from deep space to penetrate the solar system. These cosmic rays are hitting Earth’s atmosphere, creating a spray of secondary cosmic rays that shower toward the ground below — secondary cosmic rays are what we measure.
Radiation sensors onboard our helium balloons detect X-rays and gamma-rays in the energy range 10 keV to 20 MeV, similar to what you get from medical X-ray machines and airport security scanners…

Reply to  DMacKenzie
June 19, 2022 7:09 am

On further thought, the ocean has not gone up a degree since 1850, but average temp including land areas has. So TPW is sensitive to how much rainfall evaporates over land areas since it seems to have gone up by the amount one expects from the average temperature, not just ocean surface temp..

Craigusmaximus
Reply to  DMackenzie
June 19, 2022 11:30 am

Good lord a whole degree….how ever will we survive.

Reply to  DMackenzie
June 19, 2022 2:22 pm

As you are probably aware, nearly all of the natural WV comes from the relatively small area of the tropical oceans. The ‘extra’ WV (above the natural) comes mostly (about 90% of it) from irrigation (on the warm arid land in the summer). Analysis is at Section 9 of http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com

Reply to  DMacKenzie
June 19, 2022 2:06 pm

That graph cannot be used that way. It is equivalent to assuming that WV increased to that level in one step at the outset instead of gradually increasing in 408 steps over the time period. The correct graph to do that is shown here where, for the Berkeley Earth temperature data, it is seen that WV has increased 48% faster than possible from just temperature increase.

TPW meas & calc Berk & 5 29 RH thru Dec 2021 6.7 % FB.jpg
Reply to  DMacKenzie
June 19, 2022 2:51 pm

The ‘about 7%’ number often quoted is a somewhat misleading approximation. The value depends on temperature. It is the slope of the saturation vapor pressure vs temperature curve at a temperature divided by the saturation vapor pressure at that temperature. An area weighted value for the planet surface is 6.7%/C° which includes an estimate of the questionable effects of compounding. The un-compounded value for an average global temperature of 15 °C is 6.5%/C°. Note that at low temperature (high altitude) the number is substantially more; up to 12% or so. This might help explain the observation that temperature increase has been accompanied by a decrease in cloud cover. https://www.climate4you.com/

ICE & WATER SAT p vs T.jpg
Burgher King
June 18, 2022 7:26 pm

Plants need sunlight! Who knew!?!

Frank S.
June 18, 2022 7:51 pm

Rev. 8:13 “The 4th angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark.” So this will be MIT’s fault?

.KcTaz
Reply to  Frank S.
June 18, 2022 10:14 pm

Could it be that the Lord is using MIT to fulfill that prophecy? I’d really prefer to not find out but…

It has been said quite often that God works in strange ways and this notion definitely meets the definition of strange.

Isaiah 55:8-9 state, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Reply to  .KcTaz
June 21, 2022 8:16 pm

I’ll have to think about that.

Tom in Florida
June 18, 2022 8:11 pm

Those that propose these and other such ideas know they will never be implemented. That is not their desire. The strategy seems to be push far out solutions so that the ones they really want don’t seem so bad.

Jeff Alberts
June 18, 2022 8:17 pm

Even if it worked, it wouldn’t be “reversing” climate change, it would just be a different climate change. Would it be better? Maybe in some places, but it would be worse in others. There’s always a trade-off.

ImStillaYankee
June 18, 2022 8:29 pm

Just WTF is wrong with eggheads today?

Reply to  ImStillaYankee
June 18, 2022 11:10 pm

They’re cracked

another ian
Reply to  ImStillaYankee
June 19, 2022 12:51 am

“The Curate’s Egg” on steroids?

Richard Page
Reply to  another ian
June 19, 2022 2:44 pm

On something, just not sure it’s steroids……

June 18, 2022 8:42 pm

“would deflect sunlight (and thus heat) to stop further global warming.”

LOL.. they have just admitted that it is the SUN not humans that has caused the slight but highly beneficial warming since the LIA.

Well done guys !!

Craigusmaximus
Reply to  b.nice
June 19, 2022 11:31 am

Whooops

Richard Page
Reply to  b.nice
June 19, 2022 2:45 pm

Ouch. Quite the own goal for the team there.

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