Participate in the SurfaceStations Project – Version 2

UPDATE: 6/3/22 The acquistion period has closed, and I have what I need. Look for a new report in about a month. Sincere thanks to everyone who helped! – Anthony

UPDATE 5/24/22 I am contacting people individually by email now to get photos and I have updated the list of stations in the body of the post to show what has been surveyed. If you have not heard from me, and have photos to send, use our contact form.

Anthony



As many longtime readers of WUWT know, what brought this website to fame was the original surfacestations project done in 2007, 2008, and 2009. The exposure of the shoddy state of NOAA’s Cooperative Observer Network, and specifically its subset network the U.S. Historical Climatological Network (USHCN) caused quite a bit of consternation and embarrasment to NOAA as well as other agencies using the data such as NASA GISS, CRU in Britain, and others.

Since the publication of my How Not to Measure Temperature series and the subsequent booklet, NOAA has since disbanded the USHCN and no longer uses it in their National Temperature Index:

Please note: National USHCN monthly temperature updates have been discontinued. The official CONUS temperature record is now based upon nClimDiv. USHCN data for January 1895 to August 2012 will remain available for historical comparison.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/national-temperature-index/

But they still use the data, they just don’t label it “USHCN.” Instead NOAA is favoring the “U.S. Climate Divisions” method, most likely due to the fact that we proved the USHCN network to be shoddily managed and unreliable. We reported back in 2012 that USHCN had been abandoned and Andy May did an analysis of the change, citing this passage from here, by NOAA:

“The switch [from USCHN] to nClimDiv has little effect on the average national temperature trend or on relative rankings for individual years, because the new dataset uses the same set of algorithms and corrections applied in the production of the USHCN v2.5 dataset. However, although both the USHCN v2.5 and nClimDiv yield comparable trends, the finer resolution dataset more explicitly accounts for variations in topography (e.g., mountainous areas). Therefore, the baseline temperature, to which the national temperature anomaly is applied, is cooler for nClimDiv than for USHCN v2.5. This new baseline affects anomalies for all years equally, and thus does not alter our understanding of trends.”

But, NOAA no longer had the public relations problem of refering to the compromised and embarrasing USHCN as nClimDiv became a new faceless dataset.

But many of those shoddy climate monitoring stations in the COOP network and USHCN remain open, and they are still used in the nClimDiv dataset either as primary stations or as stations used in pairwise comparisons for homogenization of the surface temperature record.

The bias effects of the poorly sited stations on the entire record is very clear, as I reported in 2015 at AGU.

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Figure 1 – Comparisons of 30 year trend for compliant Class 1,2 USHCN stations to non-compliant, Class 3,4,5 USHCN stations to NOAA final adjusted V2.5 USHCN data in the Contiguous United States

Over a decade later since first starting the project, I want to find out what has changed, and how many stations have actually closed, gotten better, or gotten worse. So, I’m asking for your help again, to find and photograph those stations. We know some of the worst-case stations I embrassed them with have been closed.

Remember Marysville, CA, the poster child for bad station siting? It was the station that gave me my “light bulb moment” on the issue of station siting. Here is a photo I took in May 2007:

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Figure 2 Marysville MMTS sensor in 2007

It was closed just a couple of months after I introduced it to the world as the prime example of “How not to measure temperature”. The MMTS sensor was in a parking lot, with hot air from a/c units from the nearby electronics sheds for the cell phone tower:

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Figure 3: wide view of Marysville MMTS sensor in 2007 with temperature data record

Another equally bad USHCN station has been closed, Tuczon Arizona, which was measuring climate change in the parking lot in front of the Atmospheric sciences building at the University of Arizona, Figure 4.

Figure 4: USHCN weather station in a parking lot. University of Arizona, Tucson (NOW CLOSED)

So, I want to find out what the state of the current surface temperature network is, and I need your help to do it. In the past three weeks, I have been traveling in California, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, and Montana to look at some of the USHCN and COOP stations. What I’ve found so far on my sample suggests that in both the COOP and the USHCN, about 95% of the stations are compromised in some way and do not adhere to NOAA’s published siting standards, allowing a temperature bias to be part of the data. This has been proven by NOAA itself in a peer reviewed study, and vindicates me.

I’ve already found stations just as bad as before.

This is the USHCN station in Grants Pass, OR. Parking lots and air conditioners again.

The worst part? NOAA/NWS knows about it and doesn’t care. I received this comment on my Facebook page:

As the former Engineering Director there for 13 years I can say more than once when the Medford NWS office visited I asked if it could be moved to more suitable position. I even offered to do it. But the suggestion was always declined. 

https://www.facebook.com/anthony.watts.chico/posts/5114537851927946?comment_id=5114579285257136

How can I help?

Well, it’s pretty simple, all you need is a cellphone (smartphone) and a web browser. If you really want to science it up, get a FLIR camera attachment for your phone.

Back in the day when I started the project, locating the stations was quite difficult. To NOAA’s credit, they have greatly improved the metadata for all surface stations an have a comprehensive database called the Historical Observing Metadata Repository (HOMR). In that database, you can find all the stations exact latitude/longitude, though they don’t give street address. Finding it on a map only requires Google Earth and dropping in the lat/lon values. Then you just drive there and look for it. Sometimes, you can even find them on Google Earth Street View.

So, I’m asking that wherever you live, you choose a station or two from the list below near you, announce it here in comments (to prevent doubling up), and follow the procedure I’ve listed below. Then post your photographs and description here, as well as emailing them as a zip file to me for inclusion in the database.

Here is the list of stations and their locations that I need to examine before the end of May 2022. These stations were included in my 2009 report IS THE U.S. SURFACE TEMPERATURE RECORD RELIABLE? Stations with line through them have either been closed or I have already surveyed them or plan to survey them. I have helpfully included a link to each one to the HOMR database that shows location. I’ve also included some notes on each station. You can see original photos of these stations in the original report in 2009.

Please see the procedure after the list on how to find and photograph them today.

Amherst, MA – Sewage Treatment Plant, 1 Mullins Way Amherst, MA 01002 GE Link
Ardmore, OK  – CLOSED 2009 for temperature reporting due to horrible siting on street GE Link
Ashland, OR  – Sewage Treatment Plant, 1295 Oak St, Ashland, OR 97520 GE LINK
Atchison, KS  – Benedictine College, 1020 N 2nd St, may be in courtyard GE LINK 
Baltimore, MD   – CLOSED for temperature reporting due to horrible siting on roof.
Bainbridge, GA – CLOSED 2010, sensor 8′ from road and A/C unit
Bartow, FL – Previously at P.D., sensor right on the street, MOVED. GE LINK Street View
Blacksburg, VA  Located at NWS Office, 1750 Forecast Drive, in the rear GE LINK Street View
Block Island, RI  – Original Report showed ASOS, HOMR element data shows a CRS, Find it please.
Brinkley, AR – Sewage Treatment Plant, 1185 Rusher Dr, Brinkley, AR 72021 GE Link
Brookville, IN – Brookville Water Works on Driveway, 898 Cliff St, Brookville, Indiana GE LINK
Buffalo Bill Dam, WY – May not be at vistor center, 4808 N Fork Hwy, Cody, WY 82414  GE Link
Bunkie, LA – Surveyed already Sewage Treatment Plant. GE Street View Link
Champion, MI  – CLOSED in 2011 due to location near parking lot. GE Street view Link
Clarksville, TN – at the WWTP off Quarry Rd. Lots of construction since original survey. GE Link
Conway, SC  – CLOSED, fire station closed, no new observer found.
Cornwall, VT  – 2900 Seth Warner Memorial Hwy (private residence, visible from road) GE Street View Link
Crosby, ND  – 209 1st Ave NW, Crosby, ND 58730 (private residence, visible from road) GE Link
Dayton, WA – Sewage Treatment Plant, Stockton Rd. GE Link
Detroit Lakes, MN –  At KLDM radio, (moved 70′ west) 1060 Richwood Rd, Detroit Lakes, MN – GE Link
Dillon, MT – Surveyed by A. Watts April 2022 Right next to campus generator bld, above sidewal – GE LINK
Drain, OR – Surveyed already – A. Watts Sewage Treatment Plant, Division Ave, Drain, OR GE Link
Durham, NH – US Forest Service, W End Path, 271 Mast Rd, Durham, NH 03824 GE Link
Ennis, MT  – Rainbow Valley Lodge, Hwy 287, Ennis MT GE Link
Enosburg Falls, VT  Looks to be on a farm, 27-1 Birch Ln Enosburg Falls, VT GE LINK
Falls Village, CT – CLOSED – went to automated SCADA data?
Fort Morgan, CO – MOVED in 2017 and 2018. May now be at private residence. GE LINK
Fort Scott, KS  – MOVED 2013 from Funderal Home to PRIVATE RESIDENCE – 1904 S. Margrave St, GE LINK
Gainesville, GA – Observer died in 2021, station disposition uncertain, 955 Sunset Blvd. GE Street View
Grace, Idaho – Surveyed by A. Watts April 2022, over concrete, bizarre placment of MMTS. GE Link
Greenville, TX – Surveyed already.
Greenwood, DE  CLOSED – Unknown reason GE Link
Gunnison, CO – At Gunnison County Electric Association near maintenance. GE Link GE Street View
Haskell, TX  – Moved from radio station, at private residence now. 900 N 8th St, GE Link GE Street View
Hay Springs, NE – CLOSED in 2018, directly next to building. GE Link GE Street View
Hendersonville, NC  – Still at WKHP radio next to satellite dish, road. GE LINK GE Street View
Heppner, OR  – Looks to be right on the street, at oil facility. 776-650 Riverside Ave. Heppner, OR GE Link
Hillsdale, MI  – At Wastewater Treatment Plant. W Galloway Dr, Hillsdale, GE Link
Hopkinsville, KY – Moved 2020 from ridiculous location at BBQ/AC 302 Briarwood Dr. GE Street View Link
Hot Springs, SD  – Looks to be next to parking lot, 501-599 N 5th St, Hot Springs, SD GE Link
Kennebec, SD – Looks to be in yard near garden, visible from 2nd street GE Link
Lampasas, Texas    CLOSED 2013 for temperature reporting due to horrible siting on street GE Street View
Lebanon, MO  – At KJEL-FM next to parking lot. 18553 Gentry Road, Lebanon, MO GE Link
Lenoir, NC  – On the sidewalk at City Municipal Bld. 605 Harper Ave. GE link GE Street View
Lexington, VA  -Looks to be at residence at 298-126 Walker St. GE Link
Logan, IA – at Sewage Treatment plant, CLOSED in 2021,
Lovelock, NV  – Already surveyed.
Marengo, IL – Sewage Treatment 1400 N State St CLOSED in 2019, equipment may still be there. GE Link
Marysville, CA Terrible location. CLOSED. Removed from service.
Miami, AZ – Terrible location. CLOSED. Removed from service due to “data default” in 2008.
Midland, MI – Sewage Treatment Plant, Kent Ct. Midland. Sensor recently moved. GE Link
Milwaukee, WI Sewage Treatment Plant, 501 Sentry Dr. Wakesha, GE Link
Mohonk Lake, NY Huguenot Dr New Paltz, NY GE Link
Monticello, MS – Municipal Bldg. 317 Main St. GE Link GE Street View
Morrison, IL – Sewage Treatment Plant, 503 W Winfield St. Near SW fence border? GE Link
Mount Vernon, IN – Municpal Bldg. College and Water St. GE Link
Napoleon, OH – CLOSED, Sewage Plant, terrible siting GE Link
Neosho, MO at Neosho National Fish Hatchery 700 E, McKinney GE Link GE Street View
Northfield, VT – CLOSED, Sewage plant, observer quit, GE Link
Okemah, OK – CLOSED, unlocatable
Orangeburg, SC – Sewage treatment plant, 395 Seaboard St NW, GE LINK
Orland, CA – Surveyed by A. Watts May 2022, still a good station. GE LINK
Orono, ME – CLOSED 2008, ridiculous siting on roof of steam generator plant. GE LINK GE Street View
Panguitch, UT – Moved 2009 and in 2022, near house with watered lawn. GE Street View
Paris, IL – Sewage Plant, Near S. Fence 50’s of road and sewage tank GE Link GE Street View
Paso Robles, CA – terrible siting at the off-ramp for Highway 101 over concrete, still open. GE Street View
Pocahontas, AR – Residence, 106 E. Wiley St. GE Link GE Street View
Racine, WI Sewage Treatment Plant, 417 21st St. In front of office near parking. GE Link
Red Cloud, NE – City Garage? 763 US-281, looks to be on W side rear of building. GE Link
Assumption Richardton Abbey, ND – 418 3rd Ave W, could be at maintenance bldg. GE Link
Rock Rapids, IA – Municipal Bldg. Between Street and Parking lot. GE Link GE Street View
Salisbury, MD – CLOSED 2011, Sewage Treatment Plant GE Street View
Sandpoint, ID Formerly Ag Exp. Station, now at Airport Granite Aviation 2099 Industrial Dr, appears to be next to tarmac. GE Link GE Street View
Santa Rosa, NM CLOSED, terrible siting in observers backyard. GE Link
Searchlight, NV – Highway maintence facility, 320 NV-164, changed to MMTS 2011. GE Link Street View
Spanish Fork, UT Electric Substation, 2129 E. Powerhouse Rd. behind office near concrete wall? GE Link
Spooner, WI – Ag Research Station, out front. GE Link GE Street View.
St. George, UT – MOVED 2015 to private residence, original was sited in parking lot. GE Link
St. Joseph, LA – Already surveyed.
State College, PA Unchanged from 2008, CRS behind Walker science building on grass GE LINK
Staunton, VA – Unchanged from survey in 2009, GE LINK
Tarboro, NC – Sewage treatment plant, unchanged from 2008. GE LINK
Thompson, UT – behind Utah Welcome Center off I-70 GE Link
Tifton, GA – Still next to sidewalk, A/C units, road at WWTP. GE LINK
Titusville, FL – Sewage treament plant 1205 Buffalo Rd, sensor may be moved GE Link
Troy, AL – Appears to be at Troy Univ. Downtown. 63 S. Court Square. May be on roof or in rear. GE Link
Troy Locks/Dam, NY – Appears to be near parking lot of admin bldg. GE Link
Tuckerton, NJ – CLOSED 2010 reason unknown, previously at residence.
Tucson, Ariz. – CLOSED. 2008 due to ridiculous siting in the parking lot. GE Street View Link
Tularosa, NM – CLOSED. 2019 due to lack of observer interest.
Tullahoma, TN – Unchanged from 2008, at sewage plant between transformers & concrete. GE LINK
Uniontown, PA – CLOSED 2019 Sewage Treatment plant, “NOT INTERESTED IN THE PROGRAM.”

The Procedure:

  1. Locate a station near you from the list above
  2. Make plans to visit. Leave a note in comments below to avoid duplication. Note that government locations, such as sewage treament plants oftn have locked gates on weekends
  3. When visiting, note that temperature sensor may not be near rain gauge. Look for MMTS or Stevenson Screen, also called a Cotton Region Shelter (CRS).
  4. Take a smartphone and/or camera with you. You may want to preload the address into maps.
  5. If using a smartphone, ALWAYS turn the phone/camera horizontal to take pictures
  6. If possible take pictures from 20 feet away looking at temperature sensor from 4 cardinal compass points, plus one or two overall photos (wide view) to show what is near it from different angles.
  7. Be respectful of tressaping signs etc. Often you can get pictures through and/or above fences.
  8. Post note in comments that you have it, I will contact you by email to have you email photos directly.
  9. Deadline: May 29th, 2022

BONUS ROUND:

The list above is the USHCN, but there are many other stations that are part of the Cooperative Observers Network that are also used to observe temperature for climate data. These are part of the “A” network and contain a GHCN ID to indicate they are part of the Global Historical Climatology Network.

May of these stations don’t adhere to the 100 foot rule NOAA specification seen here.

You can find that designtion in the HOMR database under the Station-Level tab, seen below.


These are used in homogenization processes and for infilling missing data. There are many more of these stations that the USHCN we originally looked at. Here is how to find them.

  1. Open up the HOMR web page and use the selector to choose where you live, such as state and county.
  2. Make sure you choose “COOP” in the right hand NETWORK selector, and then click on the “Display Open Stations Only” checkbox.
  3. The result will look something like this:

Click on the red balloon in the map, and you’ll then see another map below it with a blue square, click on it to get the lat/lon data:

Paste the lat/lon data into google Earth (I use the downloadable program but the website version also works.)

Use the Google Earth Street view tools to locate the address, if it is a residence, use caution or select another station. Many stations are also on public facilities.

Can’t do any of this but want to help? Consider a donation to support the work.

THANK YOU – Anthony

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Mike Nelson
May 18, 2022 12:53 pm

Anthony:

I was passing through Ashland OR today so stopped by the sewage treatment plant listed. The facility was open and I had no problem accessing the exact location Google indicated. From all appearances however this station has been retired because nothing I saw remotely resembled the pictures you have shared. I have a few photos and a video snippet I can share if you want just to confirm. Also, I drove around the entire facility in case the station was located somewhere else within the fence line but all I saw were pumps and piping as you’d expect for a treatment plant.

Mike

Ron Broadaway
May 18, 2022 2:35 pm

Anthony,

I have the Spanish Fork, UT station site info. Just let me know how to get it to you.

Tom Konerman
May 18, 2022 4:50 pm

I’ve got the pictures for Brookville, IN.

Kevin kilty
May 18, 2022 6:25 pm

Anthony,

Buffalo Bill Dam site has the following issues:

  1. Adjacent a paved asphalt surface. I mean zero feet away on one quadrant.
  2. Adjacent on one side a slope of perhaps 40-50%, far greater than 19 degrees anyway.
  3. Situated in a very deep canyon.
  4. Adjacent two sides with Big Sage that is perhaps 6 feet tall, growing amongst boulders and loose scree. 
  5. Less than 10 m from a metal building wall with an air conditioner installed.

I took 6 photos, and spoke with Bureau of Reclamation personnel.

Hot Springs, SD has the following issues:

  1. 10-15 meters from a very large parking lot paved with asphalt. 
  2. Trees shade the MMTS extensively.
  3. Tall grass on surface.
  4. Substantial slope up to a small leveled bench where the MMTS is located. Then more slope to hill top.
  5. Heat generating equipment of various sorts all within 10 meters of MMTS. Air conditioning, building vents, and transformer.

Took 7 photos. Police came out to see what I was up to. They knew nothing of the weather station. It is “owned” by the fire department. I spoke to one of the firemen on duty about it.

I took photos at the highest possible resolution so the are about 5 MB each in size.

I have to submit grades tomorrow, then I plan to leave for Fort Morgan, CO and Gunnison.
Kevin

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Kevin kilty
May 19, 2022 9:31 pm

I got the station at Ft. Morgan, Colorado, this afternoon, Anthony, but ran into car troubles heading toward Gunnison. I ended up in Golden and may not make Gunnison right away — depends on what is wrong with Mr. Beetle.

You will find the Ft. Morgan station amusing when you see the photos.

Kevin A
May 18, 2022 8:54 pm

I found two around were I am, Malta, Idaho, one is sited in the center of 4 pivots but 3,000 feet upwind is a 52,000 head feed lot, it’s description places it in sage brush, nope, dirt and cheat grass… The second one has a car wash 30 feet from where it sits, all cement parking.

Thomas Norkunas
May 19, 2022 9:22 am

I have photographed the Spooner Wisconsin site.

James Bull
May 20, 2022 3:23 am

A dog that returns to its vomit is like a fool who reverts to his folly. 

The old Biblical proverb certainly seems right for what they have done, hoping that once they change the name and closed/moved a few sites that you would be happy shut up and go away so they could carry on. Not realising that you are way more of a scientist than they are and would be keeping an eye on them as they returned to the same old same old.
Hope you all find and chech each and every one of the sites and show just how bad it is.
I’ve found the odd one or two here in the UK and live near a famous one at Heathrow airport that was used by the usual suspects to show it was the hottest ev’a ev’a a few years ago (with plane exhaust blowing over the sensor)

James Bull

Sam Capricci
May 20, 2022 6:27 pm

This is what I’d love to see after this is all collected. An article that answers the following questions:

Do we rely on satellite or earth based station temperature data? If earth based, why, does the satellite not give them what they want, is it inaccurate?

How accurate are the temperature stations, = or – 0.0002 of a degree (F), or + or – 0.002 degree or + or – 0.02 or + or – 0.2 or + or – 2 degrees? The reason I ask this is because I thought I had read somewhere the accuracy was the last, plus or minus 2 degrees, but NOAA constantly releases “last month we had a new record temperature of” (fill in the x) x.xxxx “degrees Fahrenheit”, a new record temperature and a number to ten thousandths of a degree which I find specious. Math can give you a number to that level but the rules of accuracy (if we’re talking about plus or minus 2 degrees) make it nonsensical.

Are there more temperature recording stations in and around large cities than in rural farm and mountain areas? In other words, are we putting more emphasis on the heat island effect by including more stations in large cities and fewer in rural areas?

I’d also love to see (from those on here who gather the data) how the reporting agencies “change” the data over time and what does the unaltered data show?

I believe I’ve gained answers in bits and pieces over time by checking this site but I’d love to see a more complete article that compiles these questions that I have and (and likely) those of others as well.

May 20, 2022 9:41 pm

The planet has been here billions of years, with mankind only having been here for the last million or so. In that time, the planet has changed climates several times.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  zee raja
May 25, 2022 2:56 pm

Hominids, about 2 million. Lucy and all that from Africa.
But species Homo sapiens, about 200k. In that ‘brief’ interval planet went from ice age to Eemian interglacial to ice age to Holocene interglacial, where we now are.

Alex Avery (Dennis Avery was my father)
May 21, 2022 8:27 am

Anthony, I have a couple of photos of the site in Staunton, Virginia. Still located exactly where it was when I photographed it in 2008-9. I could only get photos from perimeter fence. I’ll get permission from the city this week to get better photos.

John
May 24, 2022 4:38 pm

RE: Hendersonville North Carolina (WKHP) Temperature Sensor – Site Info

Hi Anthony, I went to the Hendersonville North Carolina (WKHP) radio station on May 20th to shoot photos and get measurements. Google Earth Street view shows what is there. I have additional photos and measurements. Let me know how you would like me to get this information to you. Thanks – John

Paul
May 24, 2022 6:30 pm

I don’t believe that the government cares if the stations have sites that read hot and they are happy they do. It makes global warming controls easier.

May 25, 2022 10:13 am

Report from Maui Hawaii…
With the increase of private jet traffic and the fact that the station sits on blacktop, what do you know record heat on Maui..
More than 270 record high temperatures, ties recorded in Hawaii in 2019Kahului, as a matter of fact, logged record highs and matches every month of the year, except for February and March, said Almanza.https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/12/31/hawaii-news/newswatch/more-than-270-record-high-temperatures-ties-recorded-in-hawaii-in-2019/Something to ponder 2019 record setting… What happened to 2020 and 2021.. Pandemic lock downs… less air traffic…

For fun here is the HOMR link with pictures https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/homr/#ncdcstnid=20023442&tab=LOCATIONS
scroll down a bit and click on photos of the previous station location.

The powers in charge, maybe felt guilty and moved the station November of last year 1,200 feet south to an area, with grass, however keeping it close to the start of the main runway. also close to tour helicopter operations..

No HOMR pictures of the new location. Google maps satellite view gives a view of the new station location 200 feet from the start of the main runway, 50 feet from asphalt. With hovering helicopters overhead..So many places to site the station away from flight operations, Oh heck no……

KentN
May 25, 2022 12:28 pm

Anthony, I have photos for Ashland, OR, #350304. With thermal camera. 31MB zip file. Dropbox?
I think it is useful to get thermal images when it is cold outside, UHI is visible.

Anthony Priestas
May 25, 2022 6:55 pm

I should be able to grab Monticello, MS this weekend.

May 26, 2022 5:07 am

UPDATE 5/24 I am contacting people individually by email now to get photos and I have updated the list of stations in the body of the post to show what has been surveyed. If you have not heard from me, and have photos to send, use our contact form.

Jim B
Reply to  zees
May 27, 2022 7:10 pm

I can take a shot at Troy Locks/Dam, NY on my way back to NJ on Memorial Day (Monday, May 30th). Looks like the sensor is behind a fence/security, so not sure how much access I’ll have on the holiday. Probably could take a pic looking West at it if Google maps imagery is good.

Jim B
Reply to  Jim B
May 30, 2022 12:41 pm

I know I am a day late and a dollar short, but I did manage to get a few shots of the MMTS at Troy Locks/Dam, NY. I sent to the contact form, not sure how to submit. MMTS is located close to a brick building, walkway and parking lot, and under a large evergreen tree.

May 26, 2022 9:10 am

Anthony:

I should have looked at the list more closely; Orangeburg SC is no further away from me than the Tifton GA site I surveyed. Unfortunately I’m on a flight to Houston this afternoon and I won’t be returning until evening of May 30. The earliest I could get there would be June 1, which is after your cutoff date.

Let me know if you could use the survey even if it is late.

Todd Fry
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
May 30, 2022 9:48 am

I am going to drive up to Orangeburg this afternoon, May 30th.

May 26, 2022 9:24 am

Perhaps a topic for further research.
The jurisdiction, for lack of a better word, for some major airport stations has been switched from the NWS to the FAA.

tex
May 26, 2022 5:25 pm

A few days ago the Channel 9 weather man said Tampa had a record high (91 as I rrecall) for the date, much higher than surrounding weather stations. He explained that the record high was the official high which that station provides but that the area around the station had been had been growing with building, asphalt, etc. Just a brief note. So, whoever knows how, might check Tampa’s official station.

Nik
May 27, 2022 12:53 pm

At the rate it’s going with stations being closed and taken out of service, in a few years, there will be 1 station in the middle of a wheat filed in Kansas (or Funk & Wagnalls front porch, next to the propane space heater), and the entire record for the US will be extrapolated from that one station, using a model that will guarantee the desired slope and occasional, ever-increasing, highest-evah temperatures for the record.

Juan Slayton
May 27, 2022 1:05 pm

This is likely too late to be of much use, but I’ll throw it out for whatever it’s worth. On July 14, Nancy and I will be driving from Azusa to Spokane. Our route takes us through St. George, UT, so that could be a piece of cake. At the north end of the trip, it looks like it would only add about 20 minutes drive time to take in Dayton, WA. That’s if John Hultquist’s connections haven’t already covered it. Panquitch UT is a possibility-I did it once already. But it’s enough extra miles, I would have to negociate it with the Missus. Not sure how that would go–I’m no Henry Kissinger… : > )

Eric Grey
May 29, 2022 12:18 pm

@anthony I’m on Block Island today. Went to the airport and spoke with the staff. Nothing resembling a Cotton shelter or MMTS at the Block Island airport. I looked all around the airport, on roofs, etc. The staff hadn’t seen a cotton shelter or MMTS but did point me over to the AWOS. I took pictures just in case since it’s next to the parking lot.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-0GIWmOTkMJDkymYypv8WFzLGl82UFLV

Editor
Reply to  Eric Grey
May 30, 2022 9:14 am

My interpretation of https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/homr/#ncdcstnid=20017275&tab=MSHR is that it changed to AWOS in 1996.

Eric Grey
Reply to  Ric Werme
May 30, 2022 5:54 pm

Thank you. Yeah I agree it does look like it ended in 1996 but wasn’t sure how to read any of that metadata. It’s totally messy and won’t render on mobile.

Jim B
May 30, 2022 12:55 pm

Sorry I’m late to the party, but I have some shots of Troy Locks/Dam, NY from today (May 30th). The MMTS is behind a fence/gate to the facility, but here is one looking NW from SE of the sensor (above the gate). Seems close to the brick wall of the building, walkway, and driveway. It is also very shadowed by a large evergreen tree.

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Jim B
Reply to  Jim B
May 30, 2022 7:30 pm

Here is a view looking W, from E of the sensor (from Turner Street looking through the fence, had to resize the image to upload). . The evergreen tree has grown significantly since the 2011 Google Maps photos, along with some other changes.

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Jim B
Reply to  Jim B
May 30, 2022 7:33 pm

Similar view from Turner street but with the fence in the view.

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Jim B
Reply to  Jim B
May 30, 2022 7:36 pm

I have a few other shots, happy to send along if you want them Anthony.

Jim B
Reply to  Jim B
May 30, 2022 8:18 pm

Looking at the station data on the NCEI site (though admittedly I am not an expert on reading these descriptions), it looks like the station didn’t report temperature after February 2018. I downloaded the entire station data and did a quick plot and it seemed to confirm that as well. Also based on the notes in the entry, the temperature equipment was changed from MMTS to NIMBUS in April 2022, but did not see any temp data past 2018. I can’t say I know exactly what that means (is the Nimbus just the display unit?). Hope I took a picture of the right thing, but look forward to learning more.

Todd Fry
May 30, 2022 3:50 pm

I’ve got pics of the Orangeburg SC station if you want them.