UPDATE: 6/3/22 The acquistion period has closed, and I have what I need. Look for a new report in about a month. Sincere thanks to everyone who helped! – Anthony
UPDATE 5/24/22 I am contacting people individually by email now to get photos and I have updated the list of stations in the body of the post to show what has been surveyed. If you have not heard from me, and have photos to send, use our contact form.
Anthony
As many longtime readers of WUWT know, what brought this website to fame was the original surfacestations project done in 2007, 2008, and 2009. The exposure of the shoddy state of NOAA’s Cooperative Observer Network, and specifically its subset network the U.S. Historical Climatological Network (USHCN) caused quite a bit of consternation and embarrasment to NOAA as well as other agencies using the data such as NASA GISS, CRU in Britain, and others.
Since the publication of my How Not to Measure Temperature series and the subsequent booklet, NOAA has since disbanded the USHCN and no longer uses it in their National Temperature Index:
Please note: National USHCN monthly temperature updates have been discontinued. The official CONUS temperature record is now based upon nClimDiv. USHCN data for January 1895 to August 2012 will remain available for historical comparison.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/national-temperature-index/
But they still use the data, they just don’t label it “USHCN.” Instead NOAA is favoring the “U.S. Climate Divisions” method, most likely due to the fact that we proved the USHCN network to be shoddily managed and unreliable. We reported back in 2012 that USHCN had been abandoned and Andy May did an analysis of the change, citing this passage from here, by NOAA:
“The switch [from USCHN] to nClimDiv has little effect on the average national temperature trend or on relative rankings for individual years, because the new dataset uses the same set of algorithms and corrections applied in the production of the USHCN v2.5 dataset. However, although both the USHCN v2.5 and nClimDiv yield comparable trends, the finer resolution dataset more explicitly accounts for variations in topography (e.g., mountainous areas). Therefore, the baseline temperature, to which the national temperature anomaly is applied, is cooler for nClimDiv than for USHCN v2.5. This new baseline affects anomalies for all years equally, and thus does not alter our understanding of trends.”
But, NOAA no longer had the public relations problem of refering to the compromised and embarrasing USHCN as nClimDiv became a new faceless dataset.
But many of those shoddy climate monitoring stations in the COOP network and USHCN remain open, and they are still used in the nClimDiv dataset either as primary stations or as stations used in pairwise comparisons for homogenization of the surface temperature record.
The bias effects of the poorly sited stations on the entire record is very clear, as I reported in 2015 at AGU.
Over a decade later since first starting the project, I want to find out what has changed, and how many stations have actually closed, gotten better, or gotten worse. So, I’m asking for your help again, to find and photograph those stations. We know some of the worst-case stations I embrassed them with have been closed.
Remember Marysville, CA, the poster child for bad station siting? It was the station that gave me my “light bulb moment” on the issue of station siting. Here is a photo I took in May 2007:
![marysville_badsiting[1]](http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/marysville_badsiting1.jpg)
It was closed just a couple of months after I introduced it to the world as the prime example of “How not to measure temperature”. The MMTS sensor was in a parking lot, with hot air from a/c units from the nearby electronics sheds for the cell phone tower:
Another equally bad USHCN station has been closed, Tuczon Arizona, which was measuring climate change in the parking lot in front of the Atmospheric sciences building at the University of Arizona, Figure 4.
So, I want to find out what the state of the current surface temperature network is, and I need your help to do it. In the past three weeks, I have been traveling in California, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, and Montana to look at some of the USHCN and COOP stations. What I’ve found so far on my sample suggests that in both the COOP and the USHCN, about 95% of the stations are compromised in some way and do not adhere to NOAA’s published siting standards, allowing a temperature bias to be part of the data. This has been proven by NOAA itself in a peer reviewed study, and vindicates me.
I’ve already found stations just as bad as before.
This is the USHCN station in Grants Pass, OR. Parking lots and air conditioners again.
The worst part? NOAA/NWS knows about it and doesn’t care. I received this comment on my Facebook page:
As the former Engineering Director there for 13 years I can say more than once when the Medford NWS office visited I asked if it could be moved to more suitable position. I even offered to do it. But the suggestion was always declined.
https://www.facebook.com/anthony.watts.chico/posts/5114537851927946?comment_id=5114579285257136
How can I help?
Well, it’s pretty simple, all you need is a cellphone (smartphone) and a web browser. If you really want to science it up, get a FLIR camera attachment for your phone.
Back in the day when I started the project, locating the stations was quite difficult. To NOAA’s credit, they have greatly improved the metadata for all surface stations an have a comprehensive database called the Historical Observing Metadata Repository (HOMR). In that database, you can find all the stations exact latitude/longitude, though they don’t give street address. Finding it on a map only requires Google Earth and dropping in the lat/lon values. Then you just drive there and look for it. Sometimes, you can even find them on Google Earth Street View.
So, I’m asking that wherever you live, you choose a station or two from the list below near you, announce it here in comments (to prevent doubling up), and follow the procedure I’ve listed below. Then post your photographs and description here, as well as emailing them as a zip file to me for inclusion in the database.
Here is the list of stations and their locations that I need to examine before the end of May 2022. These stations were included in my 2009 report IS THE U.S. SURFACE TEMPERATURE RECORD RELIABLE? Stations with line through them have either been closed or I have already surveyed them or plan to survey them. I have helpfully included a link to each one to the HOMR database that shows location. I’ve also included some notes on each station. You can see original photos of these stations in the original report in 2009.
Please see the procedure after the list on how to find and photograph them today.Amherst, MA – Sewage Treatment Plant, 1 Mullins Way Amherst, MA 01002 GE LinkArdmore, OK – CLOSED 2009 for temperature reporting due to horrible siting on street GE LinkAshland, OR – Sewage Treatment Plant, 1295 Oak St, Ashland, OR 97520 GE LINK
Atchison, KS – Benedictine College, 1020 N 2nd St, may be in courtyard GE LINK Baltimore, MD – CLOSED for temperature reporting due to horrible siting on roof.Bainbridge, GA – CLOSED 2010, sensor 8′ from road and A/C unit
Bartow, FL – Previously at P.D., sensor right on the street, MOVED. GE LINK Street ViewBlacksburg, VA Located at NWS Office, 1750 Forecast Drive, in the rear GE LINK Street ViewBlock Island, RI – Original Report showed ASOS, HOMR element data shows a CRS, Find it please.
Brinkley, AR – Sewage Treatment Plant, 1185 Rusher Dr, Brinkley, AR 72021 GE LinkBrookville, IN – Brookville Water Works on Driveway, 898 Cliff St, Brookville, Indiana GE LINKBuffalo Bill Dam, WY – May not be at vistor center, 4808 N Fork Hwy, Cody, WY 82414 GE LinkBunkie, LA – Surveyed already Sewage Treatment Plant. GE Street View LinkChampion, MI – CLOSED in 2011 due to location near parking lot. GE Street view Link
Clarksville, TN – at the WWTP off Quarry Rd. Lots of construction since original survey. GE LinkConway, SC – CLOSED, fire station closed, no new observer found.Cornwall, VT – 2900 Seth Warner Memorial Hwy (private residence, visible from road) GE Street View Link
Crosby, ND – 209 1st Ave NW, Crosby, ND 58730 (private residence, visible from road) GE LinkDayton, WA – Sewage Treatment Plant, Stockton Rd. GE Link
Detroit Lakes, MN – At KLDM radio, (moved 70′ west) 1060 Richwood Rd, Detroit Lakes, MN – GE LinkDillon, MT – Surveyed by A. Watts April 2022 Right next to campus generator bld, above sidewal – GE LINKDrain, OR – Surveyed already – A. Watts Sewage Treatment Plant, Division Ave, Drain, OR GE LinkDurham, NH – US Forest Service, W End Path, 271 Mast Rd, Durham, NH 03824 GE Link
Ennis, MT – Rainbow Valley Lodge, Hwy 287, Ennis MT GE Link
Enosburg Falls, VT Looks to be on a farm, 27-1 Birch Ln Enosburg Falls, VT GE LINKFalls Village, CT – CLOSED – went to automated SCADA data?Fort Morgan, CO – MOVED in 2017 and 2018. May now be at private residence. GE LINK
Fort Scott, KS – MOVED 2013 from Funderal Home to PRIVATE RESIDENCE – 1904 S. Margrave St, GE LINKGainesville, GA – Observer died in 2021, station disposition uncertain, 955 Sunset Blvd. GE Street ViewGrace, Idaho – Surveyed by A. Watts April 2022, over concrete, bizarre placment of MMTS. GE LinkGreenville, TX – Surveyed already.Greenwood, DE CLOSED – Unknown reason GE LinkGunnison, CO – At Gunnison County Electric Association near maintenance. GE Link GE Street ViewHaskell, TX – Moved from radio station, at private residence now. 900 N 8th St, GE Link GE Street View Hay Springs, NE – CLOSED in 2018, directly next to building. GE Link GE Street ViewHendersonville, NC – Still at WKHP radio next to satellite dish, road. GE LINK GE Street View
Heppner, OR – Looks to be right on the street, at oil facility. 776-650 Riverside Ave. Heppner, OR GE LinkHillsdale, MI – At Wastewater Treatment Plant. W Galloway Dr, Hillsdale, GE LinkHopkinsville, KY – Moved 2020 from ridiculous location at BBQ/AC 302 Briarwood Dr. GE Street View LinkHot Springs, SD – Looks to be next to parking lot, 501-599 N 5th St, Hot Springs, SD GE Link
Kennebec, SD – Looks to be in yard near garden, visible from 2nd street GE LinkLampasas, Texas CLOSED 2013 for temperature reporting due to horrible siting on street GE Street View
Lebanon, MO – At KJEL-FM next to parking lot. 18553 Gentry Road, Lebanon, MO GE LinkLenoir, NC – On the sidewalk at City Municipal Bld. 605 Harper Ave. GE link GE Street View
Lexington, VA -Looks to be at residence at 298-126 Walker St. GE LinkLogan, IA – at Sewage Treatment plant, CLOSED in 2021, Lovelock, NV – Already surveyed.Marengo, IL – Sewage Treatment 1400 N State St CLOSED in 2019, equipment may still be there. GE LinkMarysville, CA Terrible location. CLOSED. Removed from service. Miami, AZ – Terrible location. CLOSED. Removed from service due to “data default” in 2008. Midland, MI – Sewage Treatment Plant, Kent Ct. Midland. Sensor recently moved. GE Link
Milwaukee, WI Sewage Treatment Plant, 501 Sentry Dr. Wakesha, GE Link
Mohonk Lake, NY Huguenot Dr New Paltz, NY GE Link
Monticello, MS – Municipal Bldg. 317 Main St. GE Link GE Street View
Morrison, IL – Sewage Treatment Plant, 503 W Winfield St. Near SW fence border? GE Link
Mount Vernon, IN – Municpal Bldg. College and Water St. GE LinkNapoleon, OH – CLOSED, Sewage Plant, terrible siting GE LinkNeosho, MO at Neosho National Fish Hatchery 700 E, McKinney GE Link GE Street ViewNorthfield, VT – CLOSED, Sewage plant, observer quit, GE LinkOkemah, OK – CLOSED, unlocatableOrangeburg, SC – Sewage treatment plant, 395 Seaboard St NW, GE LINKOrland, CA – Surveyed by A. Watts May 2022, still a good station. GE LINKOrono, ME – CLOSED 2008, ridiculous siting on roof of steam generator plant. GE LINK GE Street ViewPanguitch, UT – Moved 2009 and in 2022, near house with watered lawn. GE Street ViewParis, IL – Sewage Plant, Near S. Fence 50’s of road and sewage tank GE Link GE Street ViewPaso Robles, CA – terrible siting at the off-ramp for Highway 101 over concrete, still open. GE Street View
Pocahontas, AR – Residence, 106 E. Wiley St. GE Link GE Street ViewRacine, WI Sewage Treatment Plant, 417 21st St. In front of office near parking. GE Link
Red Cloud, NE – City Garage? 763 US-281, looks to be on W side rear of building. GE Link
Assumption Richardton Abbey, ND – 418 3rd Ave W, could be at maintenance bldg. GE LinkRock Rapids, IA – Municipal Bldg. Between Street and Parking lot. GE Link GE Street ViewSalisbury, MD – CLOSED 2011, Sewage Treatment Plant GE Street View
Sandpoint, ID Formerly Ag Exp. Station, now at Airport Granite Aviation 2099 Industrial Dr, appears to be next to tarmac. GE Link GE Street ViewSanta Rosa, NM CLOSED, terrible siting in observers backyard. GE Link
Searchlight, NV – Highway maintence facility, 320 NV-164, changed to MMTS 2011. GE Link Street ViewSpanish Fork, UT Electric Substation, 2129 E. Powerhouse Rd. behind office near concrete wall? GE LinkSpooner, WI – Ag Research Station, out front. GE Link GE Street View.
St. George, UT – MOVED 2015 to private residence, original was sited in parking lot. GE LinkSt. Joseph, LA – Already surveyed.State College, PA Unchanged from 2008, CRS behind Walker science building on grass GE LINKStaunton, VA – Unchanged from survey in 2009, GE LINKTarboro, NC – Sewage treatment plant, unchanged from 2008. GE LINKThompson, UT – behind Utah Welcome Center off I-70 GE LinkTifton, GA – Still next to sidewalk, A/C units, road at WWTP. GE LINKTitusville, FL – Sewage treament plant 1205 Buffalo Rd, sensor may be moved GE LinkTroy, AL – Appears to be at Troy Univ. Downtown. 63 S. Court Square. May be on roof or in rear. GE LinkTroy Locks/Dam, NY – Appears to be near parking lot of admin bldg. GE LinkTuckerton, NJ – CLOSED 2010 reason unknown, previously at residence.Tucson, Ariz. – CLOSED. 2008 due to ridiculous siting in the parking lot. GE Street View LinkTularosa, NM – CLOSED. 2019 due to lack of observer interest.
Tullahoma, TN – Unchanged from 2008, at sewage plant between transformers & concrete. GE LINKUniontown, PA – CLOSED 2019 Sewage Treatment plant, “NOT INTERESTED IN THE PROGRAM.”
The Procedure:
- Locate a station near you from the list above
- Make plans to visit. Leave a note in comments below to avoid duplication. Note that government locations, such as sewage treament plants oftn have locked gates on weekends
- When visiting, note that temperature sensor may not be near rain gauge. Look for MMTS or Stevenson Screen, also called a Cotton Region Shelter (CRS).
- Take a smartphone and/or camera with you. You may want to preload the address into maps.
- If using a smartphone, ALWAYS turn the phone/camera horizontal to take pictures
- If possible take pictures from 20 feet away looking at temperature sensor from 4 cardinal compass points, plus one or two overall photos (wide view) to show what is near it from different angles.
- Be respectful of tressaping signs etc. Often you can get pictures through and/or above fences.
- Post note in comments that you have it, I will contact you by email to have you email photos directly.
- Deadline: May 29th, 2022
BONUS ROUND:
The list above is the USHCN, but there are many other stations that are part of the Cooperative Observers Network that are also used to observe temperature for climate data. These are part of the “A” network and contain a GHCN ID to indicate they are part of the Global Historical Climatology Network.
May of these stations don’t adhere to the 100 foot rule NOAA specification seen here.
You can find that designtion in the HOMR database under the Station-Level tab, seen below.
These are used in homogenization processes and for infilling missing data. There are many more of these stations that the USHCN we originally looked at. Here is how to find them.
- Open up the HOMR web page and use the selector to choose where you live, such as state and county.
- Make sure you choose “COOP” in the right hand NETWORK selector, and then click on the “Display Open Stations Only” checkbox.
- The result will look something like this:
Click on the red balloon in the map, and you’ll then see another map below it with a blue square, click on it to get the lat/lon data:
Paste the lat/lon data into google Earth (I use the downloadable program but the website version also works.)
Use the Google Earth Street view tools to locate the address, if it is a residence, use caution or select another station. Many stations are also on public facilities.
Can’t do any of this but want to help? Consider a donation to support the work.
THANK YOU – Anthony
Why don’t you also give examples of well sited and maintained coop sites? Some of us volunteer our time and money to gather data as properly as we can. Stories like this feel like a witch hunt.
He’s done that already.
I would love to read it. Do you have a link or title?
Read this. He gives examples of good stations. http://surfacestations.org/
The pdf “surfacestationsreport_spring09.pdf” does give some examples of well sited stations. What this project does not give is practical suggestions to improve the quality of data gathered. For the volunteers who maintain coop stations It takes time, money and technical acumen. It also takes commitment every day year after year as the weather doesn’t take any holidays. If Anthony wanted to improve the quality of the data collected he could go straight to the source – try to encourage people to volunteer running a coop station and running it right.
Because the government has ***already done that*** and has an entire protocol for siting of stations etc. The entire point of Watts’ project was to show their own standards weren’t being followed and the data quality is crap. https://www.weather.gov/media/epz/mesonet/CWOP-Siting.pdf
Your comment is exactly what irks volunteers who are working hard to provide data that is not “crap”. My suggestion to you and everyone who thinks the government’s data is crap is stop complaining about it and do something to make it better – set up a good station and start sending good data yourself.
No. It requires both weeding out bad stations and keeping good ones. If volunteers can’t appropriately site a temperature station away from buildings and asphalt and put it on typical ground, maybe they’re not up to the task. You had one job. It’s not hard to read a document and follow instructions. If you messed up blame yourself, not the critics.
So why don’t you set up a station, operate it correctly, and try to get added to the coop network? You could help make things better on two fronts: adding good data while also pointing out bad data that could be corrected.
If by “you” you are referring to me in your last comment, I personally read the manual and set everything up to spec as closely as possible. I’m not blaming critics for anything I’m just saying if they really care about it they should become part of the network and also make it better from within.
@antonywatts
Haven’t commented before, I very much appreciate the articles you and your contributers post here. Unfortunately I cannot help you with this project as I live in the UK. Has any one looked at the siting of UK weather monitoring stations? My guess is that they are not compromised (but I have no basis for this hunch!).
I’ve not visited them in person but I had a look at the Met Office list of stations and siting requirements (all on their website), then put the coordinates into Google maps/earth to have a look. I looked at maybe a dozen and every single one was compromised. I have a feeling that, if we did the same project here, over 95% would be unfit for purpose.
But they still use the data, they just don’t label it “USHCN.” Instead NOAA is favoring OAA:
For those a little leery of spending a fair chunk, I can vouch for the worthiness of the USB port connecting FLIR infra red camera. It is an amazing technology.
It can be set to record a 24 hr time lapse video if you wish to see what a “day” looks like. Turn off the auto-ranging function so the colour set is preserved over whole time.
Anthony, recently Traverse City, Michigan has reported temperatures in the 90’s. Today the weather on local TV said the high was 95. This is the second or third record high.
I think something is amiss as cities around were not near those temps.
I tried to look up where the station might be but there are 7 listed for Traverse City with longest running one at the airport I believe. From 1938 and listed as FAA.
The temperatures for Traverse City are constantly higher even in the winter. It seems odd.
I will check out Brentwood CA in Contra Costa county in California. I found one station in my neighborhood. I will check it out by tomorrow, but the satellite view seems to show it on top of my neighbor’s roof. This is a great project. It is so nice to do something helpful other than just blindly pushing back on the encroaching menace.
How ironic. This is station is in my neighborhood near my home in Brentwood California. I am sure the HOA did not approve this installation. We are in a gated senior neighborhood (55+)
Here is the station location from the database
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/homr/#ncdcstnid=30112825&tab=MSHR
Here is the Google satellite view showing the station on the roof
https://www.google.com/maps/place/37%C2%B053'56.3%22N+121%C2%B043'22.8%22W/@37.8990653,-121.7230247,139m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x144b6be7bbf7415e!8m2!3d37.898965!4d-121.722988
Here is my picture from the front (attached). Most of the station is obscured by the roof but the satellite picture indicates a larger footprint.
That station isn’t on Anthony’s list, I assume you found it looking for stations close to you.
The HOMR data says it’s a CoCoRaHS station, they record only precip data. The typical station is at someone’s home. If you visit https://cocorahs.org/ViewData/StationPrecipSummary.aspx you can look up that station’s data, look for CA-CC-36. The owner is a bit lazy and doesn’t report zero precip days. That may be common in arid areas.
My station is NH-MR-63, I make a point to report zeros for all precip (including snow and snow depth) to make it very clear when I have none.
Thanks Ric, I am a complete novice concerning these stations. I just clicked on stations from the database link in Tony’s post that were near my house. I guess I should look for other station types. Any suggestions?
as long as the biases dont change over time it doesnt affect the trend this is WHY we work in anomalies
also please double check and triple check gps, because the first survey made some glorious location errors.
What’s your evidence that the biases don’t change over time? Over 90% of the housing stock has been built since 1945. Development today is enormously more evident than years ago. You Berkeley clowns who deal in immaculate anomalies really need to take 1 to 2 minutes to think.
Steven, back when we started the project in 2008, there was no good database of stations like we have today. GPS readings were neary non-existant. Finding stations was a challenge, and in some cases a near impossibility, so “glorious location errors” couldn’t be helped when NOAA didn’t even have locations right.
IF you could have done a better job back then you should have done it. All you do is complain.
It would be great if this rebooted effort would produce a USHCN or nClimDiv alternative for the US average temperature timeseries. I’m particularly interested in how you would apply adjustments for the urban heat island bias, time of observation bias, instrument/shelter change bias, station move bias, etc. and then grid and spatially average the observations.
I am just going to (belatedly) park two factoids here for Steve and Anthony to consider, both of whom I recently hosted here in Fort Lauderdale together for a mutual seafood dinner for four with Charles. So NO axes to grind at all.
BEST was a heroic effort that in my opinion came to some wrong conclusions, like on UHI. There were two fundamental BEST problems, both based on the underlying study design.
This is not to directly criticize BEST. They just set out on an impossible task. You cannot retrospectively fix a surface record that was not designed for the intended climate purpose, no matter how clever your software is. Two specific examples were provided in my published 2012 ebook chapter.
Here are the pictures for Amherst MA. Sewage treatment plant. MMTS is on a bed of railroad ballast and about 10-20 feet from a parking lot and has a decaying asphalt path leading up to it.
A buddy and me are going to do a trip to Block Island and see if we can track that one down.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Xr5hL9m8R6j3h3h8WIQJ1lUW8KvtrskC
Thanks Eric!
State College, PA. Joe Bastardi lives there, he should be able to help w/that one.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=joe%20bastardi
I’m going to grab Paris and Morrison Illinois in the next few days and Milwaukee and Racine Wisconsin late next week.
The Cheddar Headed Survey Monkey
check your email
Were you able to visit Paris? If not, I can try today.
Tony,
Have the survey data for GHCN 00426644 in Park City, Utah. Can get the Spanish Fork UT station next week if you still need it…
Hello Anthony, first a big thank you for all the work that you do to keep this log going.
Now a suggestion.
We keep on hearing about the vast amount of CO2.
Yet as it’s measured in PPM, , that is obviously not true.
What about a series of pictures.. first in colour for all the gases in the atmosphere. All to sizes.
Then next one with only the Greenhouse gases…now as H2O is the big one at 1 %, it would be a line at the bottom.
But where is CO2. ? Is it that dot ?
Just a thought.
Michael VK5ELL
I can do Lenoir NC this weekend if it is still outstanding.
I have the photos of Lenoir NC. For better or worse the Google Earth photos seem accurate for this location. But happy to send them upon Anthony’s direction.
“….State College, PA Unchanged from 2008, CRS behind Walker science building on grass…”
Home of Penn State and Michael Mann.
Mikey is probably out there every day stoking a Hibachi underneath the Stevenson Screen.
Hello Anthony. I could get photos of the station at Richardton, ND by next week. Richardton is only about 70 miles from Bismarck. If nobody is able to get the Crosby, ND station, I might be able to get that by the end of May, or beginning of June, but Crosby is 250 miles from Bismarck. P.S., I have a Flir thermal camera.
check your email
Anthony – just did some wine tasting in Paso, and took pics of the weather station at 1240 Street, Paso Robles. It looks basically like the Google Street pic. I will send once contacted.
1240 Paso Robles Street, Paso Robles – May 14, 2022
Anthony,
I got the Hot Springs, SD station,while the kids played at Evan’s Plunge, but all the photos and other data are scattered among camera, computer and a few hand written notes I took while talking to the firemen and police. The building is the onsite fire/police for the VA facility. MMTS took a while to find — lost in the trees, surrounded by equipment and on a hillside. Let me know how you’d like this packaged.
Tomorrow we head to Cody.
Anthony,
I got the Buffalo Bill dam site this morning. It is very rough terrain in there and I decided against a couple of shots on steeply sloped scree covered boulder fields. Looked tough for someone 70 even though I hike and bike a lot. But I got plenty of shots to show you what a crazy station that is. It is under the control of Bureau of Rec and they were very cooperative.
Kevin
I looked around my area in both north east Louisiana and several in Mississippi
The most suspect one is HATTIESBURG 5SW, MS 1967-12-01 to Present
31°15’17″N, 089°20’21″W. I do not have a camera but maybe someone in the Hattiesburg area does. The google street level photos from Hwy 11 appears to show the tower next to a metal building facing South.
All of the the LA and MS sites I looked at appear to be well placed.
I plan to visit the Hendersonville, NC location tomorrow (Monday, 16 May). I don’t have a thermal camera but I’ll send you the info I’m able to collect.
Are you getting it? I already posted I had it, but no sweat. I visit Hendersonville every Monday. Please respond as I have a full afternoon.
Sorry, I missed your post. I took several pictures and a video today (16 May). I do not have nor do I plan to buy a thermal camera.
Me neither so I bet we are as good as we are going to get. Thanks! Saves me the trip cross town.
Anthony can let me know where to send my photos and the video. If you have a thermal camera, I know Anthony would like your input as well. The radio station personnel were very cooperative and open to me taking pictures. It is still an active weather station. Part of the equipment is on a tower beside the building.
Got photos for Durham, NH – US Forest Service, W End Path, 271 Mast Rd, Durham, NH 03824
The photos you asked for are 4032 × 3024 pixels and 3.3 MB. Is there a smaller size you’d prefer? (If these go in a paper, I assume you’ll want this hi-res size.)
Bonuses:
This site is relocated a couple hundred feet and is much better than the 2008 site. The MMTS at the old site is still there, I have a photo that may be taken close to a 2008 shot.
I also visited the two CRN stations in NH, they’re both nearby on UNH research farms. They’re both in decent shape, issues with the snow/rain fencing are the most significant, but probably not very important. Do you want their photos?
I have 360° panoramas for each. North to north while standing north of the MMTS so it’s in the center (south) of each photo.
Hmm, I tried attaching a panoramic shot, but Pressable may have rejected it.
I have a different take on the situation. I think we need to fight fire with fire.
Is there no funding to pick several of the suspect stations and install control stations nearby that are properly sited to directly measure the effect of poorly sited stations (think of a controlled experiment)? If the project started with 20 competing control stations, how much money would be required to run a project like that for a year or two? I would be willing to donate to such an effort. If properly designed, the project might actually be able to smoke out just how much of the supposed warming trend is due to poor siting and how much is due to adjustment. Maybe even determining the anthropogenic signal would be possible with enough data points.
If nothing else, I would expect a pristine, comparison data set to garner enough potential interest to further expand the project.
In the case of the Durham NH station, recently relocated and improved, it can be compared to the pair of nearby CRN stations.
Anthony,
Where do you want me to email the Hendersonville, NC photos?
Bob Smith
check your email
The Weldon Spring MO NOAA facility shows a station on a very small grass peninsula extending into their 50′ x 80′ concrete parking lot next to the weather radar tower…
USC00238805 in operation since 6/1/1957
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCND/stations/GHCND:USC00238805/detail
https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B041'56.2%22N+90%C2%B040'58.3%22W/@38.6989604,-90.6829474,134m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x2eca5f56c2374415!8m2!3d38.69893!4d-90.68287
I was hiking right near there the other day at the Busch Greenway just to the south. If I had realized the station was there I would have stopped by for a look.
Hi Anthony. There are five GHCN stations in Lake, Geauga and Portage counties in NE Ohio. I have found, surveyed and photographed four of these, the fifth seems unfindable. Please advise how to send the photos and notes. Thanks for your continuing leadership on these siting issues.