A Peer-Reviewed Statistical Analysis of the 2020 Election

Stephen Dinan of the Washington Times reported on a new peer-reviewed paper that analyzes the results of the 2020 election and found Biden received 255,000 excess votes. It has been accepted for publication by the journal Public Choice and was written by Dr. John R. Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center. The linked pdf may not match the final printed version of the paper that will appear in the journal, but it is the copy that was peer-reviewed.

Both Dinan’s article and the paper are worth reading. Unfortunately, statistical analysis doesn’t prove anything, but I found Lott’s analysis impeccable and compelling. His discussion of the problems in several states with mail-in and absentee ballots is interesting and informative. He makes the following points very clearly.

  1. Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin did not match signatures on the outer mail-in envelopes to the official registration records. Some states, like Pennsylvania accepted ballots that were not enclosed in outer envelopes. These acts are in violations of the laws in many states and make it impossible to verify a vote’s legitimacy.
  2. Lott compares votes in adjacent voting precincts, where one of the precincts is accused of voter fraud, as with Georgia’s Fulton County, and finds statistically significant evidence of abnormal mail-in and absentee ballot results. In short, Trump’s absentee ballot share in the Fulton County precincts was depressed, compared to adjoining precincts. The largest estimate of depressed Trump votes was more than Biden’s margin in Georgia.
  3. In Pennsylvania and other states, numerous voters trying to vote in person were told they had already voted absentee, suggesting that someone else had voted using their name. The differences found to be statistically significant in Georgia were not significant in Pennsylvania, but Pennsylvania was missing some essential data for the study, which was a problem.
  4. In Nevada, 42,000 people voted more than once, 1,500 dead people voted, and 19,000 did not have a Nevada residence.
  5. In Wisconsin 28,395 people voted without identification.
  6. In Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania, the rejection of improper absentee ballots in 2020 were a fraction of those rejected in 2016.

The most serious problems in the 2020 election were the procedural changes made, generally illegally, in absentee and mail-in voting. This type of voting is discouraged by the Jimmy Carter and James Baker, 2005 voting commission (Carter & Baker, 2005, pp. 46-47). The past problems with absentee voting in Europe have been much worse than in the U.S., at least prior to 2020, and as a result the practice is banned in 35 of 47 countries in Europe. In ten of the countries that allow it, the voter must show up in person and present a photo id, to pick up their absentee ballot. The remaining countries temporarily allowed voting in limited cases. Europe learned the hard way what happens when mail-in ballots are not secured, just as we did.

Lott concludes that his study underestimates the extent of voter fraud because it assumes that no voter fraud occurred with in-person voting. He also concludes that there were 142,000 to 368,000 total excess Biden votes, enough to swing the election. The statistical methods used for the study look valid to me, but as noted above, statistics are not proof. They do suggest that the election should be investigated, and the study shows that the permissive, and mostly illegal, absentee, and mail-in ballot procedures used in 2020 should never be repeated. I recommend everyone read Dinan’s article and the paper.

Works Cited

Carter, J., & Baker, J. (2005). Building Confidence in U.S. Elections. Retrieved from https://www.legislationline.org/download/id/1472/file/3b50795b2d0374cbef5c29766256.pdf

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mario lento
March 30, 2022 10:12 pm

Thank you Andy!

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 7:55 am

There is not one scintilla of evidence that there is any such thing as voter fraud!

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mario lento
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
March 31, 2022 8:36 am

That is a great graphic… and well used sarcasm.

paul courtney
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
March 31, 2022 11:20 am

Mr. McGinley: Thanks for that. I never cease to be amazed how hard it is to locate scintillas when one refuses to look.

Mario Lento
Reply to  paul courtney
March 31, 2022 2:06 pm

Paul: Even though you can’t find a scintilla, your comment is quite scintillating.

beng135
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 1, 2022 9:29 am

Right. As the Obamination had also lied, “not a smidgen”.

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IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 4, 2022 9:50 am

Especially when one REFUSES to actually LOOK at the evidence! There are, literally THOUSANDS of affidavits, produced by people who were present during all the fraudulent activities! But, that’s OK, too, and easily denied by people who were NOT present, saw nothing, and, in fact, out right REFUSED to even look!

A. Damon
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 12:57 pm

I thank you, Andy, too!
However, you said “Unfortunately, statistical analysis doesn’t prove anything”.
Maybe, not to the Supreme Court. But it does prove much in science, technology.
In science.
BTW, circumstantial evidence is important too, though in this case our Supreme Court, the valiant defender of the Swamp and Spamp’s ways, rejected it offhand.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  A. Damon
April 4, 2022 9:52 am

Yes, without so much as a passing glance! It does make one wonder, though, just WHY we even have a Supreme Court, doesn’t it?

Don Jindra
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 6:20 pm

The only thing this proves is that Trump groupies are delusional.

mario lento
Reply to  Don Jindra
March 31, 2022 6:45 pm

Don Jinda wrote:

he only thing this proves is that Trump groupies are delusional.”

Could you articulate an actual point? What is “this” and what part of “this” has anything to do with “Trump groupies”

If you try really hard to answer, you just might learn something.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Don Jindra
March 31, 2022 8:44 pm

Another new alias crawls out of the woodwork.

Komerade Cube
Reply to  Don Jindra
April 1, 2022 3:32 am

Hi Griff!

beng135
Reply to  Don Jindra
April 1, 2022 9:39 am

Buddy, you’re in the wrong forum. Go back into your hole.

Mark
Reply to  Don Jindra
April 2, 2022 4:34 pm

I personally know poll workers who were afraid to testify that there was major fraud in Pa. Hope you enjoy the new world order. FJB

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Don Jindra
April 4, 2022 9:54 am

Hmm. Sorry, I’m neither a Trump ‘groupie’ nor am I delusional! I highly suspect, though, that many deniers are!

Bryan A
March 30, 2022 10:26 pm

The Government definitely needs an enema…
Far too irregular

Tee Shanny
Reply to  Bryan A
March 31, 2022 2:23 am

It ALREADY received the enema from Joe Biden’s 2020 election campaign, good liberal Administration and the Democratic party’s boots. That massive enema of overdue justice dislodged the flotsam torpedoes of feces and swamp sludge named Donald Trump and his Democracy-Wrecking Crew.
Trump himself, as a narcissistic non-functioning sociopath scumsocket waste product of (thankfully, dead) Welfare Daddy Fred Trump, is the epitome of “irregular.”

Go ahead, prove what a snowflake baby you are as a moderator, unable to accept valid criticism and established facts, by failing like some wimpHOLE lemming sheeple to publish this. And my previous comments.

They will be published to fully embarrass you on my Facebook page in any case.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:13 am

Don’t mess with Tee!

commieBob
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:42 am

Yours is the most reasonable, fact based, measured comment I have read today. Congratulations.

Of course yours is the only comment I have read so far. I guess I should read a few others and see how yours holds up. LOL (that stands for Lots Of Love, right?)

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  commieBob
March 31, 2022 6:02 am

I predict Tee won’t be answering any questions.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 31, 2022 8:11 am

Not even his or her’s scientific credentials questions?

On the other hand this is an inadvertent beacon of light in the vile darkness of fake left wing, vitriolic losers, showing why the these people who want to rule “one world” never will.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  commieBob
March 31, 2022 11:25 am

Tee sure is a persuasive devil. Actually he is a poster child of the Democrat political establishment. We won’t have to worry with such people in charge of our affairs.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  commieBob
March 31, 2022 10:18 pm

And SO full of vitriol, but No facts.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:54 am

So the massive irregularities with absentee ballots were justified? Because Orange Man Bad?

RevJay4
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 31, 2022 5:26 am

That is really what it boils down to…”Orange Man Bad”. DJT is still living in the empty heads of the commies rent-free.

MGC
Reply to  RevJay4
March 31, 2022 5:32 pm

Fact is, Orange Man *IS* bad. Reprehensible, in fact. Should already have been jailed for insurrection and treason against America.

MarkW
Reply to  MGC
March 31, 2022 5:38 pm

Who cares that he didn’t do any of those things, we have a narrative to project.

MGC
Reply to  MarkW
April 1, 2022 9:08 am

“he didn’t do any of those things”

Another blind regurgitation of right wing echo chamber fantasy land talking points. More and more evidence is piling in every day that he absolutely did those things, and more.

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  MGC
March 31, 2022 6:03 pm

MGC- I hope you are enjoying the gas prices.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MGC
March 31, 2022 8:43 pm

Yer an idiot blinded by your own propaganda.

Komerade Cube
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
April 1, 2022 3:36 am

All of these fake posters: Griff, Tee, MGC, etc are paid Chinese trolls, and their drive-by comments are only intended to disrupt the conversation. It is a measure of truth: the more drive bys, the more accurate the article.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Komerade Cube
April 1, 2022 5:35 am

Aye, you have this right.

MGC
Reply to  Komerade Cube
April 1, 2022 8:39 am

“paid Chinese trolls”

Ha ha ha ha ha !! Laughably wrong, Cube. Just like pretty much everything else on WUWT.

Not to mention that the conversation *should* be disrupted, seeing as it is little but blind regurgitation after blind regurgitation after blind regurgitation of nonsensical right wing echo chamber political propaganda talking points.

JCR
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 4:34 pm

Then why are you here? Piss off already.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 12:51 pm

The FBI and the DOJ doesn’t think there was an insurrection, the few who have been charged were NOT sedition at all.

michael hart
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:58 am

Nice to be able to publish your opinions on Facebook without censorship. Not everyone is afforded such luxuries.

I also not that your list of objections to Donald Trump does not include anything illegal.

MarkW
Reply to  michael hart
March 31, 2022 7:04 am

Like most leftist rants, it basically boils down to Trump is evil because he isn’t a communist.

RevJay4
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:24 am

Hmmm. Sources missing to verify wild ass statements. Typical commie rant.

MarkW
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 7:02 am

The left really does hate reality.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 12:48 pm

The essence of progressive-ism is a denial of reality.

MGC
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 31, 2022 5:55 pm

The essence of conservatism is head-in-the-sand living in the past.

Throughout history, progressives have brought us pretty much *every* major socio-political advance. Women’s voting rights. Safe labor laws. The end of segregation. And so many many many more.

In contrast, conservatives have brought us little more than “maintain the status quo”, even when it is more than obvious that the status quo is a prescription for failure.

Folks seem to forget that even America’s Founding Fathers were the Uber-Liberal Progressives of their day. Had we listened to the conservative side of the aisle in 1776, we would all still be subjects of the British Monarchy.

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  MGC
March 31, 2022 6:11 pm

MGC-Except that DJT brought the lowest ever unemployment to women, blacks, and hispanics. He also made America energy independent and a net exporter of oil and gas. Just to round things out, he brought about world peace and multiple Isreal/Arab peace treaties, which were unreachable to all previous Presidents.

What you are now experiencing is called Cognitive Dissonance.

MGC
Reply to  Timo, Not That One
April 1, 2022 8:52 am

It is doubtful if any of these things were actually the result of anything Trumpty Dumpty did.

For example, unemployment under DJT merely continued to follow the trajectory that it had already been on for years under Obama. Look at a graph of unemployment. There is no change whatever in the curve with the change of administrations.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 2:23 pm

Republicans regained the House in 2012 which coincides with the beginning of the declining unemployment rate.

Thank you for admitting the rate continued going down the first 3 years of the Trump Presidency.

RDGeorge
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 4:53 am

Utter garbage.
Conservatives are sensible people who consider the potential for downsides to ‘progress’ as well as the oft ridiculous ‘expectations’.
Welfare has doomed millions to dependence both here and in the US but the claims of what it was supposed to deliver are simply shoved down the memory hole.
Its easy to be a delusional progressive with your placards ‘forward’ and ‘change’ as you revel in your self proclaimed moral superiority.
Thank goodness for conservatives who if they had a placard, and they don’t, would have ‘hesitate, think carefully’ written on it.

MGC
Reply to  RDGeorge
April 1, 2022 8:53 am

“Conservatives are sensible people who consider the potential for downsides to progress”

First reasonable comment I’ve seen here in a long time.

Yes, will grant that. Checks and balances are indeed necessary.

Still, conservatism brings nothing “new and improved” to the table. Just the same old same old. I’d rather be willing to try new things, even at the expense of being wrong at times, than to just wallow in the same tired old rut.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  MGC
April 3, 2022 6:44 am

A little history lesson for you. The democratic party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, Japanese (and Italian and German) internment camps, redlining, segregation, and in the modern day, it is the party of identity politics, cancel culture, crime infested, rotting inner cities with failing schools, and has been exposed since George Floyd as the party of anarchy. The most insidious action was the federalization of redlining under FDR when he created the Fair Housing Administration which introduced redlining policies in over 200 cities across the US. There’s more. Maybe take your arguments to Carol Swain – https://www.prageru.com/video/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-democratic-party https://www.prageru.com/video/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-republican-party
https://www.prageru.com/video/what-i-can-teach-you-about-racism https://www.prageru.com/video/why-did-the-democratic-south-become-republican or Candace Owens https://www.prageru.com/video/the-plantation-then-and-now

Canucklehead
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 7:54 am

Wow. Here’s a history lesson. The civil rights act was opposed by Dems and supported by Republicans. Slavery was supported by Dems and opposed by Republicans. Your knowledge of history is the equal of your integrity.

MGC
Reply to  Canucklehead
April 1, 2022 9:00 am

“Slavery was supported by Dems and opposed by Republicans.”

The Republican Party at that time WAS the *progressive* party and the Southern Democrats were the status quo conservatives.

Since then, they’ve both changed stripes. GOP folks are now the status quo conservatives and Democrats are the progressives.

Sorry, pal, but you’re the one who needs the history lesson, not me.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 12:55 pm

Haw haw haw haw haw, does this mean That Democrats up to the 1980’s became republicans while they hide behind the Democrat label?

Look up Bull Connor did he change to Republican?

What about Robert Byrd did he change to Republican?

There are many more like this you can’t answer because your claim is stupid and irrational.

ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 6:33 pm

Democrats are very progressive. After all, founded, funded, and provided logistical and legal support to the KKK for about 100 years.

Truly a proud moment for Democrats.

hornblower
Reply to  MGC
April 2, 2022 10:50 am

Southern democrats who left the party because of intergration.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  MGC
April 1, 2022 2:19 pm

The Democrat party started in the 1820’s but despite that didn’t advance womens voting rights until only 90 years later.

It was Jeanette Rankin a REPUBLICAN who authored the H.J R1

LINK

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Segregation was ended with the strong backing of the Eisenhower administration

Eisenhower was key desegregation figure

Democrats of the day were angered by his actions to carry out desegregation.

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There are more but these two makes you look very partisan thus unreliable.

hornblower
Reply to  MGC
April 2, 2022 10:46 am

Good stuff. Damn I wish this site would stick to climate. The rest of this nonsense just weakens their argument. The Washington Times really?

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 31, 2022 10:21 pm

Being proven time and again.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:08 am

Tee, you ignorant walking bunghole:
Come back and tell us how you feel next November 9th, and then again on November 6th of 2024.
Between now and those dates, you and your brain dead ilk have plenty of time to refurbish your safe spaces, and restock your supplies of crayons, pacifiers, and drool bibs.
Best to wait until just before to order your emotional support puppies, they grow up so fast dontchaknow.

Curious…how much you charging DJT to live full-time inside your head?
I suspect it is rent free, but that is between you and your shrink I suppose.

Now get back out there and glue yourself to a road, or whatever you effin’ morons are doing for a living these days.

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Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:10 am

Nice to know we have a president that speaks the truth.

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Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 31, 2022 10:23 pm

Thanks for that. I have been posting that quote of biden’s for 2 years, and hoping to see it every time I visit the ‘net’.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Sturmudgeon
April 1, 2022 9:06 am

I’ve got another version that plays the audio of Biden making that statement.

mario lento
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:40 am

Perfect example of TDS level 10. Word salad of incoherent memes inserted into a person’s angry mind.

Charles
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 9:14 am

So Twitter and Facebook would ban you for this rant, so you come here ?

MarkW
Reply to  Charles
March 31, 2022 10:01 am

The left only bans rants when you use them against people they approve of.
Any attack on those who fail to support the narrative, no matter how vile, is perfectly acceptable.

Mario Lento
Reply to  Charles
March 31, 2022 2:10 pm

Mark is right, Charles: Twitter encourages the LEFTist rants, and often quells truth and support of contrary information.

And so, Twitter has become an uninteresting lopsided rabbit hole…

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Alpheus
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 9:34 am

Joe Biden has done more to destroy Democracy than anything President Trump did, both at home and abroad.

And he’s a regular Washington, DC guy, which is why he’s far more of the flotsam torpedoes of feces and swamp sludge than Donald Trump was — and this is even after acknowledging the fact that Trump is that kind of person, mostly because he had to learn to be such a person in order to function in the cesspool we call New York City.

MarkW
Reply to  Alpheus
March 31, 2022 5:41 pm

I can’t think of anything that Trump did that could be characterized as damaging democracy, much less destroying it. Of course as the left constantly tells us, it’s only democracy when they win. When they lose it’s a travesty of democracy that must be fixed to ensure it never happens again.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 5:53 pm

When they say Trump is destroying Democracy what they really mean is Trump is destroying the Socialism practiced by the radical Democrats.

And they are correct, Trump did and would destroy socialism if given the chance. That’s what the Left is afraid of.

The radical Democrats confuse their selfish desires with Democracy.

Komerade Cube
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 1, 2022 3:41 am

>> The radical Democrats confuse their selfish desires with Democracy.<< conflate, anyway

ih_fan
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 11:09 am

Somebody forgot to take their meds this morning…

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  ih_fan
March 31, 2022 12:51 pm

This morning? I think he has been off of them for several days. I do hope that he doesn’t hurt someone while in this ‘New York state of mind.’

jim hogg
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 12:00 pm

I agree with most of your criticism of Trump’s extreme character flaws, but the side swipe at the mod was offensive, pointless and distracted from your attack on Trump. . . .

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  jim hogg
March 31, 2022 12:55 pm

… the side swipe at the mod was offensive, pointless and distracted …

And inaccurate like the rest of his diatribe. One can at least say that he was consistent.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 12:45 pm

And then there is the epitome of moral, righteous behavior, Hunter Biden.

“The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”

MGC
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:39 pm

Well said, Tee Shanny, and really, just the tip of the iceberg.

Trumpty Dumpty is already being written into American History in the same
“American Villains” chapter as Richard Nixon, Joe McCarthy, and Benedict Arnold.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MGC
March 31, 2022 5:55 pm

TDS

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MGC
March 31, 2022 8:41 pm

MAGA

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Tee Shanny
April 1, 2022 5:45 am

Tee Hee. Ta Ta.

Jeff corbin
Reply to  Tee Shanny
April 4, 2022 12:03 pm

I am embarrassed I have been a Democrat sine 1973 and just switched to Republican. The only Republican I voted for ever was a Clinton Democrat and one of the few non-libertarian anti-globalism conservatives in in either party.. Anti-globalism is a very hazardous political agenda indeed. It took a global pandemic, mass absentee balloting, censorship and a disastrous shift left to beat him…… even when his mouth went haywire far too often for most respectable people who would vote for him..

MarkMcD
Reply to  Tee Shanny
April 4, 2022 4:35 pm

“unable to accept valid criticism and established facts”

Of which you provide the usual amount from a Lefty. i.e. Zero, nada, zilch.

well done in upholding the abysmal standards we have come to expect from the unreasonable true believers.

Cuyana(@cuyana2000)
Reply to  Bryan A
March 31, 2022 6:30 am

I/we get your drift, but, in our nation where we have a govt structure by which the people are intended and designed to be SELF-GOVERNING, it is WE THE PEOPLE … who need the enema.

Our Declaration of Independence and our Fed Constitution make it clear to see and understand that the BUCK STOPS WITH US, WE THE PEOPLE — and no one else; there is no army out there waiting to save us — but such designs work only IF AND WHEN We The People actually do our patriotic duty and MAKE IT WORK.

MarkW
Reply to  Cuyana
March 31, 2022 10:02 am

We can only be self governing when the elections are honest.

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 6:15 pm

Or we form spontaneous Militias.

Brad-DXT
March 30, 2022 10:32 pm

To think that a candidate that hardly got out of his basement and had rallies where there was more press than attendees got more votes than Obama just buggers belief.

Trump got more total votes and a higher minority percentages during his second election.

The press covered up damaging information about Joe using his brother and son for bagmen throughout his political career which would have given him even less votes.

The 2020 election will go down as the most “controversial” in history.

Thanks Andy and Dr. Lott.

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Tee Shanny
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 31, 2022 2:31 am

HAHAHA, “BUGGERS belief!” Again, the pure stupidity of Trumpists and CONNEDservatives who completely fail to understand English is hilarious.

Yes, virtually all of your beliefs ARE “buggered.” They don’t rest on science, they don’t rest on reality, they typically rest on piles and piles of lies (including 22,000 Trump told as PresiDidn’t), and the poo-piles of obvious lies, fantasies and child’s tales akin to cartoons like Bugs Bunny, the Easter Bunny, Tinkerbell and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, yet presented as “sacred” to credulous, utter dopes in every world religion’s BuyBull.

Look it up. You have no clue what you just said, and how it reflects the pathetic truth of all broken brained CONNEDservatives.

“Out of the mouths of adult bab(ies)…”

Feel embarrassed as a cartoonishly drawn, underdeveloped and undereducated adult child of a Harry Potter-like character much???

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:18 am

Tee is really going to be unhappy, even more so than now, when November rolls around.

Scissor
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:24 am

I suppose you think that Hunter Biden is the smartest person.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Scissor
March 31, 2022 1:02 pm

Well, unfortunately, Hunter and the Big Guy have gotten away with it so far. One can only hope that justice is delivered.

Fraizer
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:19 am

“…You have no clue what you just said, and how it reflects the pathetic truth …”

Project much?

fretslider
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:21 am

“Out of the mouths of adult bab(ies)…””

I’m guessing you too are a product of the [laughable] American education system.

People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

MarkW
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 7:06 am

And once again, not a shred of evidence. Not a single attempt to provide a coherent, much less a logical argument. Definitely a progressive.

Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 7:39 am

Looks like tee is more focused on harassing and baiting with insults than stating anything factual.

That the moderators allow commenters whose sole goal is to berate with insults is concerning.
That tee fully intends to repost it’s nonsense on farcebook, actions similar to Sou, in lame attempts to increase tee’s adolescent audience.

tee’s TDS inflammatory incoherent muck are not worth reading, let alone a response.

mario lento
Reply to  ATheoK
March 31, 2022 8:46 am

The posts should stand and not be moderated. It’s a slippery slope and we the people can respond so that others can see what we are up against. Angry misinformed people who cannot be reasoned with are only exposed when people can hear all free speech.

MarkW
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 10:03 am

They should be allowed to stand, but only so long as the volume doesn’t get so high that it interferes with actual conversations.
Perhaps like Barry, Tee should be limited to 10 rants per day.

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Mario Lento
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 10:10 am

I think the Mods have a good moderation criteria.

The point is that we should not resort to subjective quelling of free speech.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 1:06 pm

Inasmuch as he hasn’t contributed anything substantive in his second post, perhaps it would be best to let it stand at two posts. Definitely it should be “three strikes and you’re out!’

TonyG
Reply to  ATheoK
March 31, 2022 9:09 am

That the moderators allow commenters whose sole goal is to berate with insults is concerning.

I disagree. Let the Tees show themselves for what they are. Let everyone see that all they have is insults and harassment. And don’t give them the excuse to whine about being “censored” (even though they’re perfectly fine with it when done to THEIR ideological opponents).

Put it on display for all to see.

philincalifornia
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 8:14 am

A “progressive” as in retarded Luddite.

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 6:18 pm

I think he is going for the highest down-vote count (lowest up-vote count?).

Komerade Cube
Reply to  MarkW
April 1, 2022 3:44 am

Or a paid troll…

Observer
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:56 am

Oh Tee… why are you so full of hate?

MarkW
Reply to  Observer
March 31, 2022 10:05 am

The world hasn’t granted him the fame and fortune his mother and teachers have assured him is his birthright.

mal
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 10:02 am

Tee I learned a long time ago to be a leftist you first and foremost have to lie to yourself and believe such lies. After that those on the left have no connection with reality. You live in a world of make believe. Your leftist tenants all you to believe a man/woman can be a woman/man just stating so. A complete denial of biology. You side also think that a same temperature rise we had for over the last 200 years is going to be catastrophic, even when the computer project temps don’t put the world temp where it was 8000 years ago. Due to the fact you and your ilk don’t live in reality we now have a president who can no longer control his emotions or his bowels. We a figuratively and literally in a shitty position because of you lack of honesty and stupidity.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 11:01 am

Can you explain why a 6th-order polynomial can be used to predict with high accuracy the voter turnout by age in every county within the state of Washington and a different 6th order polynomial describes that of Arizona? Same is true for other states. All it takes is a idealist with a spreadsheet and one can alter elections, the climate, etc. etc.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 1:00 pm

You are on a real roll. Does it make you feel better to offer all those unsupported insults? I do hope you have scheduled a session with your shrink for the near future. As it is, you appear to be a danger to yourself and others. Such anger is not healthy. How is your blood pressure?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 31, 2022 4:43 pm

He/She/It probably is a shrink.

Don
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 1:54 pm

Try some Librium and Prince Valium, you’ll feel better, not that I give a rat’s ass, and there’s always the Golden Gate; the sharks have to eat too. Just think of it as Tee shagging a net zero CO2. But have a nice free speech day and thanks for participating.

DrEd
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 6:43 pm

Biden: Afghanistan withdrawal fiasco, highest inflation in decades, idiotic and incoherent energy policies, incredible tax and spend programs, no balls foreign policy, loss of respect (or fear) for America, corrupt dealings with China, loss of respect for law enforcement, inappropriate sex education for children, uncontrolled illegal immigration, woke and ineffective military leadership, racially driven appointments, support for the corrupt self-serving anti-education Teachers Unions, ….need I go on about this incompetent senile progressive ass kisser? At least he doesn’t do mean tweets – he’s mentally incapable of doing it.

Jtom
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 6:56 pm

Tee, I am sincerely grateful that you aren’t on the same political side of the spectrum as I. It would truly be embarrassing.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 31, 2022 4:16 am

“The press covered up damaging information about Joe using his brother and son for bagmen throughout his political career which would have given him even less votes.”

Polls show that had the Leftwing News Media covered the Hunter Biden scandal, instead of censoring it, that a minimum of 10 percent of Biden’s voters would not have voted for him. Which would have been enough for Biden to lose and Trump to win, even in this rigged election.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 10:43 am

I believe that if there were even less votes for Biden, that would just have added to the ballot box stuffing. That’s why several states stopped counting – at the same time – so that they could determine how many added Biden votes were needed.

There was an article stating the failings of the voting process and how it could be corrupted. I think this was used as a primer for the DNC to use in 2020 kind of like how the “progressives” use Orwell’s 1984 as a playbook.

Doug Huffman(@doughuffman)
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 31, 2022 4:44 am

Yes, thanks Andy and Dr. Lott. I am pleased to have contributed to CPRC since its inception. I am pleased to have a first edition of <i>More Guns, Less Crime</i>.

Adam Gallon
March 30, 2022 10:56 pm

So, he won by 6.45 million votes, rather than 7 million?

Michael Elliott
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 30, 2022 11:25 pm

I am not saying that this happened, but I recall that Stalin is said to have said,” It is not who votes that matter, but who counts them”.

Michael VK5ELL

Tee Shanny
Reply to  Michael Elliott
March 31, 2022 2:41 am

Hello!! the same Federal Election Commission that oversaw and certified the election results of EVERY past President, congressperson and senator certified these. There’s absolutely no evidence that commission nor the Congress was corrupted or co-opted in any way — EXCEPT by January 6th efforts from Benedict Trumpold and his failed democracy-wrecking crew.

So keep fantasizing all you like while wasting hope and prayers on your 100% fictional BuyBull. Maybe ten people will buy your book of fiction. All ten with a brain on this website. The others who have money and no brains will buy it also, probably making it a best-seller falsely deemed nonfiction among broken-brained, undereducated, inbred Southern and Western gun-slinging Lemmings / sheeple / right-wingers. Whose GUNS, DESPITE CLEAR PARANOIA, have never been taken by anyone except Sheriff’s when those guns were used in THE MANY, MANY right-wing-idiocy-fueled terrorist mass shootings and other crimes – including by children of those idiots who own the guns.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:25 am

Feel better now?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 6:04 am

The rant is strong with this one.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 1:11 pm

Actually, I don’t think that he will ever feel better. He is not well.

John Boland
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:26 am

Tee, you are good at one thing, insulting people. I will give you that. Love TRUMPS hate, so I appreciate you reminding me I am on the RIGHT side.

Don Perry
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 6:27 am

You really need to seek help for your mental illness. Anyone who is so infected with TDS and rage-filled hatred, as you have shown yourself to be by your rants, needs serious psychiatric treatment. You show no logic; rather you rant and spew ad hominem invectives. You are a sad, sad, sad, sick little puppy.

MarkW
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 7:09 am

So much delusion, so little actual reality. Which college did you graduate from?

philincalifornia
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 8:16 am

Harvard ?? That would make sense.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 7:23 am

You are wrong. In the 2000 election, the Florida Supreme Court, with it’s Democrat majority, tried to alter state election law. Only State legislatures can make or change election laws and the U S Supreme Court ruled those changes were illegal and threw them out. In 2020, Georgia and Pennsylvania election officials made changes to those State’s election laws pertaining to when and how ballots would be accepted. They had no authority to do so and that those changes changed the election results.

Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 7:26 am

Consider the possibility that the Jan. 6 riot was the modern equivalent of the 1933 burning of the Reichstag to bully Congress into not asking any question about voting irregularities. Even the New York Times admits at least two FBI informants participated in the riot. When Sen. Cruz asked an FBI official a few weeks back if any FBI agents or confidential informants engaged in acts of violence on Jan.6, she refused to answer because she could not reveal investigatory methods.

alf
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:15 am

You live in a dangerous world. 80million people who voted for Trump must either be as evil as Trump or to stupid to recognize evil; take your pick.

Perry Smith
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:20 am

Tee, next time try to work “deplorable” into your rant.
I worked hard to earn that badge.

mario lento
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 8:49 am

the same Federal Election Commission that oversaw and certified the election results of EVERY past President”

Wow, I did not know people lived for hundreds of years…

MarkW
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 10:08 am

When you work for government, you are granted special privileges.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 11:04 am

Not to mention that a presidential election is a series of simultaneous STATE ballots that are independent of each other. The FEC does not “oversee” anything.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 31, 2022 1:15 pm

I don’t think he gets the concept of united states of America.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 31, 2022 2:49 pm

Yep.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 31, 2022 5:44 pm

An old historian once told me that prior to the Civil War, people would refer to the US as THESE United States. After the war the phrase changed to THE United States.
You shouldn’t have to be a linguist to spot why the two phrases are different.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 3:08 pm

Well, no, the people have changed, but it’s the same Federal Election Commission that oversaw General Washington’s election.

mario lento
Reply to  Mike McMillan
March 31, 2022 3:58 pm

“…the people have changed”

Yes, which makes his point invalid… The point is that different people with different agendas make different decisions. He implied that the name of the commission not changing validates his poorly worded salad.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  mario lento
March 31, 2022 6:04 pm

“He implied that the name of the commission not changing validates his poorly worded salad.”

Excellent! 🙂

mario lento
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 6:41 pm

HA! thanks!

Alpheus
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 9:42 am

It’s kindof odd how Russia hacked the election in 2016 to help President Trump win an election, yet in 2020, it’s suddenly impossible for any election to be subject to voting fraud.

As for the “CLEAR PARANOIA” you mock gun owners for, it’s not as if there aren’t any prominent Democrats (say, Joe Biden, and Beto O’Roarke, just to throw a couple of names out there) who promise to take away our guns. Maybe if they didn’t want us to feel paranoid, they shouldn’t make such promises ….

Old England
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 10:58 am

Tee, if you really believed that Biden won then you wouldn’t feel the need to produce this volume of verbal diarrhea.

I actually feel quite sorry for you, assuming that you are a real person rather than a Bot, it must be awful living with the amount of insecurity and hatred you have.

Maybe you could get some help?

Max P
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 11:12 am

Interesting. In the old days they called guys like Tee ‘Bomb Throwers’.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Max P
March 31, 2022 1:17 pm

Wild-eyed Bolsheviks!

John
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 1:24 pm

I like this guy! His word mash-ups are the Beeeee-Bestist ;0)

Far more entertaining than Griff

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  John
March 31, 2022 6:26 pm

They really are entertaining.

Mark
Reply to  Michael Elliott
March 31, 2022 10:10 am

It is often expressed thusly….

“It’s not who voted that counts, it’s who counts the votes….”

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  Mark
March 31, 2022 6:27 pm

I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 30, 2022 11:29 pm

I believe it was Hillary Clinton who declared the Cincinnati Bengals Super Bowl Champions this past season because they kicked more field goals than the Rams last month.

Unfortunately for our former Secretary of State, she didn’t read the rule book before making her declaration, and the teams were playing under the NFL’s long-established rule set.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Joe Gordon
March 31, 2022 6:05 am

A good analogy is the World Series, where first team to win four games wins, regardless of the overall run totals.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 31, 2022 7:23 am

1960

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 30, 2022 11:43 pm

As he cheated, he did not win.

Tee Shanny
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
March 31, 2022 2:49 am

If you are referring to Trump’s Big Lie about Joseph Biden not winning the election, PROVE IT. HE COULD NOT.

With your ABSENT JD degree, from the Law College of Nothing in Nowhere, you will gain far less traction than ACTUAL TRUMP lawyers who were forced to admit “NO YOUR HONOR, we are NOT alleging fraud here,” in OVER 60 FEDERAL ELECTION CASES. Lest they lose their legal licenses for LYING in COURT.

NO. 1 POINT OF ALL LAW: LAWYERS MUST PROVE THEIR CASES USING FACTS AND EVIDENCE.

THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.

WHY?? THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE.

HELLO! WAKE UP and SMELL THE DEMOCRACY.

WOW, the stupidity amongst right-wing sheeple who believe every lie Trump tells. 22000 during his presiDIDN’Tcy alone!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:28 am

“WOW, the stupidity amongst right-wing sheeple who believe every lie Trump tells. 22000 during his presiDIDN’Tcy alone!”

Wow, the stupidity among leftwing fanatics who believe every lie the Leftwing News Media puts out about Trump, 22000 during his presidency alone.

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whiten
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:15 am

According to USA Constitution, Biden is not the President of USA.

Biden did not win the Presidency,.
It simply was awarded to him ‘The Big guy’, by the illegal tenants of Capitol Hill on the
6th of January, against and in clear infringement of USA Constitution.

Thanks mostly to
CONNEDservatives,

or shall we say;

CONNEDcowards.

Only a zealous idiot will really believe that Joseph could have ever won any meaningful number of votes from the people, to get the Presidency.

cheers

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tom hewitt
Reply to  whiten
March 31, 2022 8:35 am

The idea that using computers in voting assures electoral integrity is erroneous: https://nailheadtom.blogspot.com/2020/11/it-would-be-impossible-to-rig-election.html

whiten
Reply to  tom hewitt
March 31, 2022 9:31 am

tom,

Besides and despite of everything else, the USA constitution prohibits categorically the Capitol Hill to elect the President.

What happened in the 6th of January was even worse than that.
Not only the USA Constitution was overruled and overwritten that day in the Capitol Hill,
but it was done so by a certain group,
after that very group, in its entirety, was evicted from power… by the edict of the People… as for the merit of and demand/obligation from/to the USA constitution.

cheers

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tom hewitt
Reply to  whiten
March 31, 2022 10:03 am

“Not only the USA Constitution was overruled and overwritten that day in the Capitol Hill,
but it was done so by a certain group,”

Nothing was overruled or overwritten. The supposed winner of the election was confirmed by the electoral college. The “certain group”? Were the many people nationally that had doubts about the integrity of the election all card-carrying members of some “certain” or particular group or were they merely a heterogeneous crowd of people with doubts about the validity of the election?

“that very group, in its entirety, was evicted from power… by the edict of the People”

What does that stew of verbiage even mean? Who was “that very group”? The edict of the People? Perhaps English is your second language.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  tom hewitt
March 31, 2022 11:06 am

whiten word salads rarely can be understood without an on-line translator.

whiten
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 31, 2022 11:39 am

Carlo, I assure you, I do not mind at all your opinion about my wording, actually I like it, to a degree.
But got to ask.

Does your country has a Constitution at all?
Just asking Carlo…. please understand, no hard feelings, or anything like that.

cheers

whiten
Reply to  tom hewitt
March 31, 2022 11:07 am

The Electoral College does not confirm or elects the President.
The Capitol Hill, Congress, only confirms the President, in line with the provisions set by the USA Constitution.
USA Constitution stands above both and all.

Besides, the “certain group”, consisting as the Congress man and Senators plus the Vice,
(was it so hard for you to understand it)
were evicted from power in that 6th of January as within the provisions set by the USA Constitution, were they not…
before their act of electing Biden as President!

cheers

Tom in Florida
Reply to  whiten
March 31, 2022 1:23 pm

The process on Jan 6th is to count the electoral votes.
Amendment XII:
“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all certificates and the votes shall then be counted; the person having the greatest number of votes for President shall be President if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed…”

The certificates referred to are the State Elector lists of all persons voted for as President from that State (a similar list for Vice-President) and the number of votes for each. These lists are signed and certified by the Electors in each State and transmitted to the seat of the government of the United States directed to the President of the Senate.

The President and Vice President were elected on Dec 14, 2020 which was the day prescribed for the Electors in each State to meet and vote in their perspective States. The results are sealed, sent to the Senate and read aloud on Jan 6th as detailed above. The current President’s term ends on Jan 20 after the election and the next President’s term begins on the same day. The timing of the transfer is when the oath of office is taken by the new President. No one was evicted on Jan 6th and it was not done prior to whomever you think elects the new President.

whiten
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 31, 2022 2:47 pm

Tom in Florida

And in the 6th of January the Vice President and the Congress decide to count selectively, not the all Certificates of Electors send to Congress… arbitrarily, against and in infringement of USA Constitution… specifically as you state it,
the Amendment XII.

In accordance to the clause of Dec 14, 2020, and the all actual valid Certificates of Electors, Donald J Trump was the President elected.
But all that changed on the 6th of January.
And there is no any provision, support or justification that can be found in the USA Constitution for such a travesty.

When it comes to the eviction, that act, that happening, you can call it whatever you like to, by many names, to your heart content…
like for example illegitimate, illegal, criminal, treason, patriotic, childish, vandal or an act of hooligans etc., but in the end specifically, clearly and simply it stands and remains an eviction.
There is no any other better or more simple correct and truer description for it.

Eviction.

Again, according to USA Constitution, Donald J Trump was elected as the 46th President of USA, but not confirmed by the Capitol Hill.

In disaccord, infringement and against the USA Constitution,
in the 6th of January 2020 Biden was elected and confirmed as a President of USA in the Capitol Hill by the Capitol Hill.

I am sure you may not like my position in this one, as many others, but;

We agree to disagree, Tom… hopefully.

cheers

Tom in Florida
Reply to  whiten
March 31, 2022 5:04 pm

How was DJT elected on Dec 14th when the results were sealed to be opened on Jan 6. Are you implying that the electoral votes were all counted on Dec 14 in violation of the Constitution and that DJT actually had more electoral votes than Biden and that this count was reversed on Jan 6? It certainly sounds like it. Please clarify.

whiten
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 31, 2022 11:42 pm

As I said,
not all of the valid Certificates of Electors were counted and processed on the 6th of January.
And there happens to be not any provision(s), support or justification of any kinda
to be found in the USA Constitution for such a travesty.

What is that you do not understand there?

Are you playing the dumb now?l

cheers

Tom in Florida
Reply to  whiten
April 1, 2022 4:56 am

No, I am honestly trying to understand where you heard that all of the certificates were not counted? And where did you hear that DJT had the majority of electoral votes on Dec 14th.
I am a DJT fan, and I despise Biden and the left liberals that are destroying this Country. I think they stole the election but at the local vote counting level not the electoral vote level.
So please inform me where you got this information.

whiten
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 1, 2022 8:52 am

Ok Tom,

Just tell me, or better tell yourself if you;

Are you claiming in one way or another that all the valid Certificates of Electors were counted and processed on the 6th of January as dictated by (the Amendment XII of) the USA Constitution?

Are you still claiming also that what happened in that day was not an eviction?

Did you not yourself stated that the President stands elected as per the premise of the 14th of December clause?

Tom, I also stated that we very much may agree to disagree,
where your position rightfully or not may not accept as valid my point or my position.
Fair enough,
but it requires understanding first of the point, the lack of which you keep brink it up, repeatedly.

Are you sure you really do not understand my point and my position in this regard?

I think I have being very clear with clarifying that point and position.
I am not claiming that understanding does necessarily mean validity, but in the other hand, lack of it, leaves no room for assessment in one way or another.

I understand you very well, I think.

Hopefully, at least you understand what I meant by;

CONNEDcowards.

Hopefully.

At this point, as per my position, I think I have being clear enough, I let you decide what you take way or not.

But no understand, or lack of understanding,
leaves no room even for the;
“Agree to disagree.”
Maybe my fault there, or maybe not!

Still your effort very much appreciated, and no any hard feelings on my part what so ever.
In the end of the day, it is actually about your Country and your Constitution.

🙂

cheers

Tom in Florida
Reply to  whiten
April 1, 2022 3:55 pm

OK for the last time. What is the source for your claim that all the electoral votes were not counted on Jan 6? It is a simple question and should be a simple answer. Either you have a source you can refer me to or you don’t really have any source and just choose to believe it. You seem to be avoiding that simple question. I will repeat it so you cannot misunderstand:
What is the source for your claim that all the electoral votes were not counted on Jan 6?

whiten
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 1, 2022 6:36 pm

Reality, the factual one… as it happened…in the open…on the record.
Something that you seem to have missed, or pretend to have missed, or perhaps worse.

That is my answer to your question.

If you think this to be a figment of my imagination, well, so be it.

But that is the source you asking me about… as answered above.
And as far as am concerned it is a statement of fact, and not a claim… or opinion.

cheers

Tom in Florida
Reply to  whiten
April 2, 2022 4:55 am

The answer should have been:
“As reported by xyz” or “I was there and witnessed it” or ” so and so told me” or at the least “I heard it through the grapevine”.
Having none of those or anything close to those, I will conclude that you are making it up or some nefarious reason.

whiten
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 3, 2022 5:33 am

Tom in Florida

It is a well known fact beyond any dispute, that not all them valid Certificates of Electors were counted and processed on the 6th of January 2020.

That is a clear real fact of reality, which needs not any specific, special or otherwise listed references to support it.

Now, the question here standing is, as already pointed to you earlier:

Are you claiming otherwise, therefor denying it… or not?

cheers

Tom in Florida
Reply to  whiten
April 3, 2022 5:10 pm

Saying “A well known fact” without a source or reference is just bullshit for “OK I really don’t know but I want to believe”.
So once again, where did you get this “well known fact”?
Somehow, somewhere you gained this information, so tell me how?

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:51 am

You would not know what evidence is.

MarkW
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 31, 2022 7:11 am

As a progressive, he/she/it defines evidence as anything that advances the narrative.

Alpheus
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 9:46 am

Ah, so that’s why Democrats have been resisting audits and censoring everyone on Youtube and FascistBook who has questions — or even goes so far as explain aberrations that indicate election fraud — about the election.

Nope, nothing to see here, move along!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alpheus
March 31, 2022 6:10 pm

“FascistBook”

I like it! Accurate.

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 10:29 am

Tee Shanny – Making Griff appear as center-of-the-road. Never thought that would or could happen. Shanny, I am not going to take your verbal bait and respond in kind. To our moderator of the day: Appreciate your not having *snipped* this poster. As previously stated by others, it is good to see the type of rabid mind sets that are out there as we stay here in our veritable enclave at WUWT. This Tee Shanny appears to be the type of human that would verbally accost you – openly, in public, loudly and in full voice – for merely appearing to support a person or cause that they do not agree with.

Not the type to expend any type of energy in attempting to engage in rational discourse with.

I expect this human to respond with EXCLAMATIONS OF OUTRAGE to this relatively neutral observation.

At least it keeps one entertained..

Regards,

MCR

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 1:27 pm

THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE.

How is evidence obtained? With a Grand Jury or bi-partisan congressional investigative committee with the power to subpoena witnesses and evidence, and obtain testimony under oath.

Did any of that happen? No! That is why “There was no evidence.”

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
March 31, 2022 1:22 pm

The only thing that can be said with certainty is that the election was certified and FJB was inaugurated. As to whether he legitimately won the election, nobody really knows because there hasn’t been a thorough investigation of the documented irregularities. Yet, there are those like Tee and the MSM who are absolutely convinced that FJB legitimately won. That says a lot about their state of mind.

AndyHce
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 12:10 am

He also concludes that there were 142,000 to 368,000 total excess Biden votes, enough to swing the election.

I’m not a close election follower, I don’t now anything about total votes, but the conclusion quoted above says something much different your statement. Since the conclusion is in a peer- reviewed, published for anyone to read, study, I would tend to give it more weigh than a contention (yours) without any accompanying evidence.

MarkW
Reply to  AndyHce
March 31, 2022 7:12 am

Like most progressives, Adam doesn’t read for understanding. When he bothers to read at all.

LdB
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 12:31 am

I thought you won seats in USA politics but apparently not it’s a popularity contest first past the post … who knew.

michel
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 12:34 am

No, because the Founders did not provide that the Presidential candidate with the most votes is elected. They provided that to get elected you have to get a majority of the states via the Electoral College.

Biden did not win by any majority of the popular vote. He won by getting a majority of delegates in the Electoral College. He could have lost in the College while still getting a majority of the popular vote.

This is why Presidents in the US regularly get elected with a minority share of the popular vote.

You can argue about whether this is a sensible way to elect a President, and people do. But at least get the facts right and understand how the Constitution works.

Ron Long
Reply to  michel
March 31, 2022 2:57 am

Right to the point, Michel. The blue states are going to cheat, and they can run up the vote total as much as they want, the Electoral College then puts everything into a Reality Check. The dastardly aspect of the 2020 vote was not only blue states cheating, via unwitnessed absentee ballots, but also the media falsely charging Trump with everything, including Russian Collusion, thus causing a lot of votes, not in favor of Biden, but against Trump.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Ron Long
March 31, 2022 6:18 am

‘The dastardly aspect of the 2020 vote was not only blue states cheating, …’

Under the Electoral College system, the progressives can cheat all they want in the blue states and not affect outcome. The problem is in the so-called ‘swing’ states, which are nominally red states that have at least one electoral district dominated by a Democrat political machine that can create as many votes as needed to ‘swing’ the entire state.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 31, 2022 6:41 am

And even red states where the Secretary(s) of State have been replaced by Soros’ shills that aren’t afraid of violating election laws.

Derg
Reply to  michel
March 31, 2022 2:59 am

Exactly. So if you cheat you really only need to pick a few states.

Remember the pipeline that was hacked on the east coast and gas prices shot up?

I wonder if someone could hack an election 🤔

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Derg
March 31, 2022 4:05 am

You really only need to pick a few cities. Extra votes in the right big cities can swing a state from one candidate to the other and take all the electoral votes, not just a portion of that state’s votes.

MarkW
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 31, 2022 7:16 am

I’ve been advocating that all states adopt the system used in Maine and Nebraska. That the votes for each House seat be awarded to whichever presidential candidate wins that district, with the 2 senate votes going to whoever wins the state over all.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 7:51 am

The Constitution tasks the state legislatures with the method to selecting Electors. Nowhere does it say it must be an election. State legislatures could just as easily appoint Electors. And the Constitution does not say how those Electors are to vote, in fact, the writings of Hamilton in the Federalist Papers confirm that the intent was for the Electors to be free to choose whomever they see as the best man for the job.
But you must take the Electoral College method in context of the Founders intention not to have the President, the Senate and the House be elected by the same method. The President by a commission of electors chosen at each election (so as not to have a permanent commission), the Senate by the State Legislatures to represent the State in the Federal government, and the House directly by the people. The term for the House was set at 2 years because the Founders wanted those directly elected by the people to stay in touch with the people. Unfortunately when they passed the 17th Amendment to make Senators directly elected by the people, they failed to follow that advice and did not change the term of Senators.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 31, 2022 9:04 am

Interestingly, they hoped to make the House more sensitive to the current political climate while the Senate would provide the long term, stable leadership. As it turns out, the “churn” at each election cycle is higher in the Senate than the House. On a percentage basis, more incumbent Senators than incumbent Congressmen are likely to loose their seats.

TonyG
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
March 31, 2022 10:16 am

As it turns out, the “churn” at each election cycle is higher in the Senate than the House.

Of course, they never anticipated people making lifelong careers in politics.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  TonyG
March 31, 2022 10:40 am

Of course, they never anticipated people making lifelong careers in politics.

Absolutely true. I have no sense of when that started to happen, but I’m sure the Founders would be appalled and the current circumstance.

Jtom
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 31, 2022 7:23 pm

The original selection of Senators was an integral part of the check and balance system of government. The state legislators selected the Senators for their respective states. This gave the state legislatures a ‘hook’ in the national government.

There would be no unfunded mandates to states had that not changed, and likely a much more secure southern border. The average voter does not have the same level of understanding of state issues as the state’s legislature.

It also devalued the importance of state legislators. How many here could name their local elected officials of their state’s legislatures?

Direct election of Senators was a monumental mistake.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 31, 2022 7:26 am

Atlanta and the Philadelphia area were two that changed the election.

Jtom
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 31, 2022 7:14 pm

In the 1960 Kennedy win over Nixon, it took less than ten thousand fraudulent votes (out of several million) for Kennedy to give Kennedy Illinois and the Presidency. Nixon was urged to challenge it, but refused for the good of the country.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Derg
March 31, 2022 4:32 am

“Exactly. So if you cheat you really only need to pick a few states.”

Yes, exactly. And that’s what happened in 2020.

Rich Davis
Reply to  michel
March 31, 2022 3:19 am

Half pint understands how it works, he just doesn’t like how it works because it’s a roadblock to his preferred global communism.

Buckeyebob
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 3:24 am

Democrats might be stupid but they are not dumb. They knew the districts and precincts they needed to infiltrate and subvert to tilt the Electoral College. Like the Bolsheviks they are.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Buckeyebob
March 31, 2022 4:44 am

“Democrats might be stupid but they are not dumb.”

Democrats know how to cheat. And now they have the DC Swamp and the Leftwing News Media on their side, so they had a pretty easy time of it.

As an example of the DC Swamp being on the Democrat’s side: During the election, Hunter Biden’s laptop was discovered with tons of incriminating information in it, but none of the Leftwing Media would report on it and 51 DC Swamp retired “intelligence” officials, including four former CIA Directors all signed a letter claiming Hunter Biden’s laptop was just Russian disinformation.

Now, the Leftwing Media is acknowledgeing the existence of Hunter Biden’s laptop and the ramifications thereof, presumably because now Hunter is about to get indicted on federal charges, and this puts the lie to the 51 DC Swamp “intelligence” critters who claimed it was Russian disinformation.

So the DC Swamp critters had no idea that Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation, yet they came out publicly at a critical time in the election process and said it was disinformation. So they deliberately lied to get Biden elected.

Florida Representative Matt Gaetz says if the Republicans gain control of the House of Representatives this next election that he is going to introduce a bill to take the securty clearances away from all 51 of the DC Swamp liars. I think that’s the minimum that should be done.

And I’m sad to announce that Trump says he is not interested in becoming Speaker of the House next January. He has other things to do he says.

That would have been SO delicious. We would get to see all these leftwing fanatics in full TDS, pulling their hair out. Oh well, I guess we’ll just have to wait for the 2024 election for that. 🙂

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Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 6:42 am

‘….a bill to take the securty clearances away from all 51 of the DC Swamp liars.’

It amazes me that this privilege is extended in the first place.

Ray in SC
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 1, 2022 3:05 pm

Frank,

Agreed. There is absolutely no reason why a person who is no longer in government service should have a security clearance, much less access to classified material.

George Daddis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 7:10 am

Tom, not only do the Dems have “the DC Swamp and the Leftwing News Media on their side” but also S450,000 ,000 from a tech billionaire which funded election offices and demanded revised election rules (with claw back provisions). This also included staffing of poll workers, placement of drop boxes in favorable locations, and likely the funding of ballot “mules” who illegally harvested votes and then went from drop box to dropbox and district to district for mass deposits.

The latter is now under investigation in Fulton county GA.

yirgach
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 7:29 am

The lies and coincidences are still piling up. The US funded Gain of Function research which was done in Wuhan and probably accidentally released (documented sloppiness in the lab) was the cause for all the lock downs and mail in ballots. They jumped on the chance like an angry rabbit.

The 2000 Mules film by Dinesh D’Souza purports to show detailed cell phone tracking and videos of the ballot box stuffers in all the swing states. Should be icing on the cake for the midterms.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 11:18 am

Democrats know how to cheat. “
Remind me again Tom, which of the two candidates said to an official “I need you to “find” me 11000 votes?”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2022 6:21 pm

Got a link, Simon? Your question is rather vague.

The purpose of my request is to demonstrate that you are getting your information from leftwing propagandists who lie constantly about everything Trump does.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 7:47 pm

Sure do. But it’s not important who reports it, Trump is recorded saying it. This link is Forbes… considered centre right. Certainly not left.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/01/03/fellas-i-need-11000-votes-trump-pressures-georgia-election-officials-to-overturn-election-in-leaked-audio-clip/?sh=1742b211e2bc

And here is the recording

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
March 31, 2022 8:38 pm

And this proves what, Simon the Shill?

Still trying to defend CTCL?

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
April 1, 2022 2:32 am

It proves Trump was the one trying to subvert the election Monte the moron. He is recorded saying he wants the republican offical to find him the 11000 votes he needs to fraudulently win the election. Listen for yourself. Seriously, are you that corrupted by your political views? Here is it on a plate for you.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 5:37 am

I don’t open kooklinks as a matter of policy.

And a one-liner proves zippo.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 6:46 am

Oh yeah, Rafsenberger, the RINO GA Secretary of State who caves to the CTCL and WhuFlu fear p0rn pressure and illegally allowed mass mail-in balloting, bypassing the state legislature.

Great source, virtuesignallyleftistbatterycarboi.

Coming soon to a theatre near you:



Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
April 1, 2022 9:54 am

You believe that you believe anything. Oh wait you believe anything.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 10:11 am

Like the CO2 climate control knob?

Like Russian Colluuuuuusion?

Is anonymous voting and ballot harvesting legal in kiwi-ville?

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Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 1:01 pm

You never read or heard your own link since he wasn’t asking for them to manufacture votes, he was asking them to look up the votes that can be shown falsely recorded in favor of Biden and give him those to the number needed to win the state.

He didn’t break any laws in the process.

Simon
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 1, 2022 1:11 pm

So how do you explain Trump saying to them that “there is nothing wrong with saying that you recalculated.”
Recalculated is Trumps way of saying find votes that aren’t there. Cheating pure and simple.
To make it worse his own republican team were telling him “the problem you have Mr President is that your data is wrong.”
In spite of that he still asked them to “give me a break” and find 11000 votes.
It is the word “find” that has landed him in trouble. And after all this is going through the courts so we will see how it turns out.

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Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 1:52 pm

Thank you for proving you never read the transcript of the phone call.

He never asked to have them recalculated you made that up, he was being specific in asking for the votes that in his view was wrongly given to Biden therefore wanted the ones that were really his all along be given to his vote total.

He never asked them to make up 11,000 new votes which YOU are insinuating which is a blatant lie.

Simon
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 1, 2022 11:50 pm

He never asked to have them recalculated”
Huh?
His exact words “there is nothing wrong with saying, you know, you’ve recalculated.”
At 1.02

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2022 4:55 am

“So how do you explain Trump saying to them that “there is nothing wrong with saying that you recalculated.”

Recalculated is Trumps way of saying find votes that aren’t there.”

You know that how?

That’s a politically-biased opinion, Simon. You are seeing what you want to see, not what is there.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 2, 2022 12:19 pm

Tom?? What??? How do you recalculate votes. You count them, end of story. Recalculate means find a different way to get a final number. Recalculate is Trumps way of saying “find” some votes. Oh wait he said that too. And Tom, we will see whose political opinion is biased when this goes to court.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 2, 2022 4:52 am

“He didn’t break any laws in the process.”

I think that’s the important part. As you said, Trump wasn’t asking anyone to manufacture votes.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 1:55 pm

If you had read the transcript, you would have learned the 11,000 + votes that were actually his and not bidens that is what he was asking for.

Never asked for brand new votes at all.

Simon
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 2, 2022 12:00 am

If you had read the transcript, you would have learned the 11,000 + votes that were actually his and not bidens that is what he was asking for.”
Well then let’s see where he says that? where is that on the utube clip. Give me a time?

Simon
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 2, 2022 12:16 pm

Hmmm?

Ray in SC
Reply to  Simon
April 1, 2022 3:23 pm

Simon,

The ‘all I need is 11,000 votes’ quote is taken out of context from a lengthy call where Trump argued with GA state officials that the margin of his loss was so close, 11k votes, and that the allegations of fraud were so large, perhaps 150k votes, that a recount was justified.

The following quote, on the other hand, is much more difficult to explain away.

“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” —Joe Biden

Simon
Reply to  Ray in SC
April 2, 2022 12:09 am

What??? there is nothing to explain. If you seriously think he was announcing on television that they were looking to defraud, you are sadly miles from the mark. He was merely stating that they had put together a strong team to combat voter fraud, but misspoke.
Read about it here… https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/12/greg-kelly/newsmax-host-recycles-out-context-clip-call-joe-bi/

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2022 5:17 am

Is muleling harvested mail-in ballots legal in NZ?

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
April 2, 2022 12:16 pm

Not legal anywhere…. didn’t happen. But it seems you don’t have the filter to work that out.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2022 3:50 pm

Yes it is illegal, and how do you know it did not happen in the 2020 US election? The MarxStreamMedia told you so?

THOUSANDS of ballot mules in key cities were caught on video surveillance taking photos of the ballots they had harvested (to get paid with Zuckerbucks) then dumping them in ballot drop boxes.

Secretaries of State illegally allowed mass mail-in ballots by fiat, bypassing the state legislators who are tasked with running elections by the US Constitution.

You haven’t been paying attention because of your blind HAET for DJT.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2022 6:17 pm

LOL, better to just read the ENTIRE Transcript but that will not happen because you are NOT interested in finding out that the MSM cabal mislead you because they count on you NOT reading the transcript.

He never asked for new votes but to find the already existing 11,000+ votes he claims were changed to Biden then switch them back to Trump that is what he was asking for.

No new votes at all.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 2, 2022 8:50 pm

This was one of the mysterious negative vote updates that were captured on live TV on election night (including CNN!), it was not the only one.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 4:24 am

“So, he won by 6.45 million votes, rather than 7 million?”

Total votes don’t tell the story. It’s how many States you win that counts.

In this case, Biden won about six States by about 10,000 votes each, give or take a few thousand.

And in each one of those States the vote is highly suspect. And the results are still being reviewed by many people, and the results are not all in yet, so stay tuned.

What can be proved is that hundreds of thousands of votes were cast illegally in the 2020 elections. It is not possible to determine who those illegal voters voted for, since it is a secret election, but there were many illegal votes.

Timo, Not That One
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 6:45 pm

The best way to guarantee a fair vote is to have paper ballots, which are hand counted. This is the original method of elections and exists in pretty much every other jurisdiction in the world, including Canada.
Paper ballots are difficult to fake, at least where there is widespread scrutineering. Having computerized voting machines is the stupidest and least reliable way of ensuring a fair vote, save perhaps the widely suggested “internet voting”.
Paper ballots should only be cast in person, by clearly Identified voters, in particular polling places under all party scrutiny. Any other method is criminally unreliable.

Dean
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 4:44 am

You know about the electoral college right?

MarkW
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 7:08 am

Being a progressive, I take it as a given that you don’t understand how the American electoral system works. It isn’t a popularity contest.

He won Ga, which would have been enough to give him the presidency.

Are you really as stupid as you make yourself out to be?

Doonman
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 12:28 pm

If he wasn’t as stupid as he is, he would not have written his stupid analysis and hit the post button.

Sometimes, you just have to accept the fact that publicly educated people are incapable of being logical. There are the top and bottom of every graduating class.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 31, 2022 7:17 am

You obviously are not an American as you do not understand that the popular vote means nothing. Or perhaps you are an American who has no idea how our President is elected.

griff
March 31, 2022 12:56 am

This is an article on climate?

If this is a climate site, this article has no place here!

Tom.1
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 1:10 am

I agree.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom.1
March 31, 2022 6:06 am

So why are you still reading?

paul courtney
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 31, 2022 12:06 pm

Mr. Carlo: You said it more succinctly, you win.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom.1
March 31, 2022 7:19 am

You are free to not read any article you are not interested in.

paul courtney
Reply to  Tom.1
March 31, 2022 12:05 pm

Mr. .1: If your goal here is to show your vacuity, you are succeeding. You complain about the quality of commenters here, now you don’t like articles on statistical analysis. Thanks for reminding us that you are with griff in the “waste of space” bin.

Tee Shanny
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 2:56 am

OBVIOUSLY. BUT obvious facts and science, obviously produced by incredibly well educated and intelligent scientists is NOT important to this website.

This is a WHINING SITE by and for poorly educated and quite possibly inbred troglodytes with a dire learning disabilities and likely severe mental illnesses, who feel disaffected and BUTTHURT by LOSING the election of their favorite wannbe dictator and unprecedented lying presiDIDNtial candidate, FAILING to understand science, FAILING to understand logic and FAILING to grasp basics of reality and evidence.

[You aren’t obliged to be here you know . . . mod]

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:54 am

Tee probably won’t be here long.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 8:07 am

Tee suddenly appeared here when the post evidenced political chicanery. Tee’s comments are no more than lurid vitriol. Febrile and vacuous.

Given that level of intellectual nothingness, the sudden appearance, and Tee’s political offal, I suspect Tee was assigned to the job. An operative; a semi-professional troll sent here to degrade the conversation.

You won’t succeed, Tee. Loudmouths get nowhere here, and empty insults are cause for amused dismissal.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:01 am

Why hully gee!Who are you using as a source? MSNBC or CounterPunch?

Graemethecat
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:01 am

WUWT must be making waves nowadays since it is attracting hysterical bedwetting Lefties like Tee Shanny above, who would normally never give it a mention.

Don Perry
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 6:55 am

Is that you, Putin? You sound like a Russian troll, becoming so frustrated over your continued failures in Ukraine that you have to rant and rave against Trump, the man who kept you in check for 4 years and kept you from continuing with what you did in Crimea under Obama/Biden? Afraid that continued investigation of the 2020 election might threaten your buddy Biden, whose policies and dementia set you up to go into Ukraine? I think maybe you’re really Vladimir Putin, who also demonstrates the insanity shown here in your posts. Go away, Vlad!

Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 7:53 am

Most of the commenters here are not whining. tee, however is whining in unhinged emotional rants, totally sans facts.

Old England
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 11:17 am

Tee, you really do seem rather unwell and on top of that you deliberately expose your ignorance and prejudices for all to see.

Does that make you happy ? or provide you with some sick sense of fulfillment ? Or is it that your mental state allows you to do nothing else?

Derg
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 3:00 am

Get your own website.

Go Tee
Reply to  Derg
March 31, 2022 4:19 am

Tee can’t complete a full sentence before vomiting forth a word salad of liberal political porn. Reminds me of the old Charles Manson interviews. I wonder if they both have the same crazy eyes. Quite entertaining really.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Go Tee
March 31, 2022 1:53 pm

Word salad? Might this be Bigoilbob with a new nome de plume?

Ron Long
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 3:00 am

It’s a climate article, because look what US taxpayers got, an Administration that talks about Climate Change 30 times more than inflation or illegal immigration. The Biden Administration has even charged the Defense Department with fighting against climate change (think this had an impact on Russian strategy?).

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ron Long
March 31, 2022 3:27 am

Also, it’s not WUWC. WUWT is NOT “Watts Up With CLIMATE?”

It’s “Watts Up With THAT?”

“THAT” is anything that Anthony Watts thinks is interesting.

The griffendope knows this of course.

paul courtney
Reply to  Andy May
March 31, 2022 12:10 pm

Mr. May: Thank you for a good article on math analysis. I recommend The Federalist, they are the only other site I’ve seen running articles on how the dems did it in WI. GA and others. The media shut out of any info questioning ’20 election is quite thorough.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Ron Long
March 31, 2022 4:24 am

My first thought when I saw this article was, “how does this have anything to do with the climate issue?” Sadly the voting public do not force their politicians to spell out their policies, briefly and clearly, before elections and then compel them to stick to these. It is easy for politicians to hide behind statements that are attributed to scientists and experts without a careful examination of these and the consequences.

We recently had an excellent presentation by Prof Michael Kelly on “The Cost of Achieving Net-Zero in Ireland.” The most important considerations were spelt out. Then I found a glossy political presentation, “Home Energy Upgrades” in my postbox. I doubt any politician in Ireland has even glimpsed at the important work of Prof Kelly and the results of pilot projects in the UK yet these are the same people that denigrate people calling them climate deniers and telling us we must follow the science. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
March 31, 2022 8:01 am

force their politicians to spell out their policies, briefly and clearly, before elections and then compel them to stick to these.”

Why should they?
Biden’s campaign was nearly identical to Hillary’s and Obama’s campaigns where the democrats paid contractors to hold extensive focus groups in each state, then the candidate would espouse that state’s desires.
With zero intention to fulfill any campaign promise.

The delusional believe what their party’s candidate politicks.

The disbelieving are left throwing darts for which liar they believe will actually make a decent president.

Gerry, England
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 3:18 am

What was that legendary quote about not saying anything less you might prove yourself to be an idiot? Mind you, bit late in your case given your posting history.

H.R.
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 3:22 am

griff, if you go to the WUWT ‘About’ page, you’ll find this.


About Watts Up With That? News and commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts


What part of that do you not understand? I can type it again, but much more slowly, if that would help you.

Scissor
Reply to  H.R.
March 31, 2022 4:35 am

In addition (directed to griff):

  • The idea of the blog is to learn, discuss, and enjoy the interaction. Please try to keep that in mind when making comments.
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Ron Long
Reply to  H.R.
March 31, 2022 7:24 am

typing slowly won’t help, can you draw some cartoons?

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Ron Long
March 31, 2022 10:05 am

Make it a coloring book. We are dealing with high functioning idiots.

MarkW
Reply to  H.R.
March 31, 2022 10:15 am

Make sure to only use words of one syllable or less.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 4:19 am

It was just meant to send you up.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 4:53 am

“If this is a climate site, this article has no place here!”

Anthony decides what belongs here on his website. You know that. Not all subjects pertain to climate change on WUWT. You know that, too.

If you don’t like this particular subject, move on to the next.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 31, 2022 10:16 am

Yesterday we had an article about a solar flare.
I didn’t see griff whining about that one.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 6:28 pm

I had the same thought. 🙂

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 6:06 am

Stop whining.

Gunga Din
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 6:15 am

Griff, “The Green New Deal” is supposed to be about stopping “Climate Change”.
But it’s all about (Far) Left-wing politics.
See the connection?

Don Perry
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 6:40 am

You bet it belongs here! The results of the 2020 election had extremely profound effects on the policies concerning climate and fossil fuels, probably THE most important issues of the current administration. If the election was as fraudulent as the claims of the “climate woke”, that news belongs here as the highest priority.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 7:19 am

Isn’t it amazing how this becomes a climate only site whenever we talk about things the far left would rather be kept quiet.

philincalifornia
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 8:24 am

Phony-far left of course. These current scammers wouldn’t know left wingness if Karl Marx got in the shower with them.

MarkW
Reply to  philincalifornia
March 31, 2022 10:17 am

I did not need that image. Where’s the mind bleach when you need it.

Gunga Din
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 11:05 am

Hillary has some. It’s on a “clothe”.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
March 31, 2022 1:58 pm

Some things one can never unsee!

Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 7:40 am

You should be happy, Griff – some of the commenters here are making you look like the voice of sane, sound reasoning.

In any case – as you have been told MANY times before – this is a SCIENCE site, not a climate site.

Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 7:54 am

WUWT is a science and analysis site.

Doonman
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 12:38 pm

This is the first time I’ve seen griff deny a peer reviewed study.

One must note that today, he has changed his mind.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  griff
March 31, 2022 1:49 pm

It is germane because FJB has drunk of the alarmist Kool-Aid and as soon as he was inaugurated he signed an executive order to stop the oil pipeline and re-join the Paris Agreement (actually a treaty). He is promoting the replacement of reliable electricity with intermittent sources, and electric cars for which there will be problems obtaining enough cobalt and copper, if not lithium.

The whole boondoggle with respect to so-called Climate Change is political and not about physical science, although many attempt to convince the uncommitted that science supports the politics. The irregularities of the 2020 election are extremely important with respect to the question of AGW.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 31, 2022 2:51 pm

“What am I signing?” — FJB

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 31, 2022 6:45 pm

What! Am I signing?

I’m reminded of the Benny Hill comedy routine on “What is this thing called love.”

Craig from Oz
March 31, 2022 1:08 am

None of that mattered apparently, at least not to soft Left Australian commentator Andrew Bolt back in late 2020.

His argument was that despite the fraud (Bolt admitted there were massive irregularities) the ‘Conservative Thing’ for Trump to do was to clap politely, say ‘well played old chap’ and back away. Biden, Bolt argued, ‘deserved a chance to be President’ because Biden had used ‘Fine Words’ during the debates.

Andrew Bolt made this his clear public opinion on the matter.

And… if that had been that, then whatever. He is a media head. He lives on making public editorial.

the problem I have with Bolt is that the moment it became clear that not only was Biden mentally porridge, but it was also cool to mock him for drooling in public, Bolt jumped right onto the ‘Ho Ho Ho, Look at Biden’s latest word salad and see if you can work out what he is really saying Ho Ho’ bandwagon.

No Andrew, YOU said he had ‘Fine Words’ and despite the clear examples of irregularities, Biden should still be the next president. You loved him when Anti-Trump was cool, then the moment mocking his dribble because a ratings winner you jumped ship so fast.

Even the so called ‘Right’ media is two faced and in it for the head lines.

Tee Shanny
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 31, 2022 3:06 am

For people who rely on facts, not idiotic pronouncements by conservative Confederate flag pole jerkers, it’s very clear that Joe Biden is a very intelligent president, an accomplished politician and leader of over 30 years.

He does not spew word salad (the likes of which plagued nearly every Trump pronouncement, including terrible lack of ability in spelling even basic English), has had a well-known propensity to stammer which is extremely difficult to overcome but which he’s done a fine job doing with very few setbacks.

Compare with the ugly-mouthed, paunchy, morbidly obese, orange behemoth with fake hair and spray tan skin, who can barely complete a sentence without interrupting himself, turning the subject toward his own accomplishments (almost all of which are lies), and ridiculing and attacking verbally almost every opponent on a personal basis, which every intelligent person (of course, NOT right-wingers because THEY aren’t intelligent, for the most part) knows are FAILED, illogical, pointless, ad hominem attacks.

Oh, they aren’t *quite* pointless. Those 3rd grade attacks DO continue to rile up the 30% of Americans known as right-wingers toddlers / morons / dumbasses uneducated / CONNEDservatives. Trumpists in a nutshell.

Go Tee
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 4:49 am

Tee, you use the word “fact”, I don’t think it means what you think it means. But well done jumping again into the fray. You still are in the running for the longest and least factual comment today. Don’t be put off by the competition. I have faith you can capture the MOM to put on the shelf with all your other participation trophies.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tee Shanny
March 31, 2022 5:01 am

We get it, Tee. You don’t like Trump and you don’t like conservatives.

We don’t care about your “argument”, Tee. We don’t care because it is delusional. Very delusional. You won’t be taken seriously just spewing vitriol.

This is a fact-based website. Spew some facts instead.