CLINTEL Goes to Court

From the clintel NEWSLETTER

CLINTEL has initiated a law suit for libel against a national, government-subsidized TV-broadcasting station known as “KRO.” In an item on wind energy, they claimed without any evidence that CLINTEL is a “climate denier” paid by the oil industry. CLINTEL never received a penny from the oil industry.

The use of terms such as “climate denier” and “oil industry” are typically employed to stigmatize an organization. These labels are harmful as they scare away potential donors. We now say ‘enough is enough.’

Our lawyer sent a letter to their editor in chief requesting rectification. They denied our request, so CLINTEL will now go to court. The libelous cancel culture promoted by KRO must be halted. In case you want to support us in this case, please consider making a donation. (Dutch people can also go here)

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Steve Case
March 29, 2022 2:08 am

KRO-NCRV is a Dutch public broadcasting company Wikipedia
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Mike Lowe
Reply to  Steve Case
March 29, 2022 2:45 am

Therefore automatically Left Wing, and full of Global Warming advocates!

Ron Long
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 29, 2022 3:05 am

Mike, include the National Public Radio (NPR) and BBC in the looney cabal.

H.R.
Reply to  Ron Long
March 29, 2022 4:59 am

Never attribute to stupidity what can more easily be explained by malice.

They are all propaganda arms of the GEBs.

Walter Pate
Reply to  Ron Long
March 29, 2022 10:48 pm

NPR = National Propaganda Radio

Michael
Reply to  Ron Long
March 29, 2022 11:49 pm

I thought NPR stood for New Pravda Radio…

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 29, 2022 6:47 am

Unfortunately, also full of left-wing judges. In Europe there’s practically no
chance of winning anything in court that’s against the official narratives.
Law and order in most of Europe is a one way track…

March 29, 2022 2:30 am

Well done!

Geoff Sherrington
March 29, 2022 2:51 am

Well done, Clintel.
May this serve as an encouragement for the many other people and bodies wrongly reviled by others. Make the effort, take them to a Court, which is the proper thing to do. Better than punching a critic on the jaw. Geoff S

Derg
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 29, 2022 2:58 am

In Will Smith’s case he is a slapper.

fretslider
Reply to  Derg
March 29, 2022 4:23 am

That can’t have been much of a slap, the compere didn’t do any more than turn his face. No loss of poise at all.

I wouldn’t mind betting it was a bit of theatre….

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Scissor
Reply to  fretslider
March 29, 2022 5:30 am

More than likely, we are being played.

Big Al
Reply to  fretslider
March 29, 2022 8:22 pm

Slow motion shows you are correct. Slap sound tad before impact on face. The still shows both clowns laughing…..Both One Eye

Bryan A
Reply to  Derg
March 29, 2022 5:26 am

A very Dapper Slapper.

Gus
Reply to  Derg
March 29, 2022 7:05 am

Who is Will Smith?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Gus
March 29, 2022 7:11 am

He’s that bloke that could have gone to a barbeque if not for the illegal aliens.

Walter Pate
Reply to  Gus
March 29, 2022 10:50 pm

He’s the the cuckold of Jada Pinket Smith (aka Cueball)

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Derg
March 29, 2022 7:10 am

If Will would have kicked Rock’s behind he could claim to have hit rock bottom.

Alastair gray
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 29, 2022 3:23 am

But more expensive and not so satisfying

Galileo9
March 29, 2022 3:46 am

If you go to the Covering Climate Now website and scroll down to the partners you’ll see a whole raft of propaganda, sorry news outlets who spread, sorry report on weather, sorry climate issues.

Thanks WUWT
March 29, 2022 5:10 am

Sorry this is off-topic, but I think it’s very important. Elon Musk just named the 3 biggest
threats to mankind and climate change was not among them. I have been waiting for
someone prominent to challenge the alarmists and Elon steps up.

dodgy geezer
Reply to  Thanks WUWT
March 29, 2022 5:58 am

What ARE the ‘three biggest threats’ to humanity?

I suggest:

  • the collapse of Western educational systems and culture, resulting in the inability of humant to think for thenselves
  • the rise of globalisation, resulting in the establishment of a monoculture in all countries
  • the establishment of extensive state support, meaning that humans are unable to live a life which is not in conformity with state standards
Redge
Reply to  dodgy geezer
April 5, 2022 4:45 am

I would have added “social” media

commieBob
Reply to  Thanks WUWT
March 29, 2022 6:25 am

Elon’s threats.

Last December, Musk warned that civilization will “crumble” if the birth rate doesn’t rebound.

Modern civilization is complex beyond belief. I remember a previous semiconductor shortage caused by a fire in a factory that made glue. link Every bit of our technology depends on a zillion other things, most of which aren’t obvious to the casual observer.

You need enough people to design, develop, and produce the zillion things without which the economy would collapse. And you need enough people to provide a market for those things.

The other thing is that things that make the economy less efficient could also degrade the system enough to cause a collapse. Wind and solar come to mind.

And then there’s cancel culture in which activists go after folks like CLINTEL. What does such censorship give us? It gives us bad vaccines and windmills.

A necessary condition for technology to thrive is freedom. The Soviet Union demonstrated that by collapsing. The Russians demonstrate it again in their inept invasion of the Ukraine.

By standing up to the cancel culture woke weenies, CLINTEL is doing a service to humanity.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  commieBob
March 29, 2022 9:19 am

The Russians demonstrate it again in their inept invasion of the Ukraine.

I’m reminded of the visual image of giving a monkey a machine gun. Were it not for Russia having nuclear weapons, the playing field would have been leveled before the convoy got re-started.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 29, 2022 9:57 am

Unfortunately Russia is driving home the point that once you have nuclear weapons, you can do whatever you want. Expect all the other rogue countries to increase their efforts to acquire nuclear weapons in the coming years.

Paul Blase
Reply to  MarkW
March 30, 2022 10:38 am

I’m giving even odds for the first nuclear exchange to be between Iran and Saudi Arabia or between India and Pakistan. India/China is coming up fast, though.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  commieBob
March 29, 2022 11:23 pm

“And then there’s cancel culture in which activists go after folks like CLINTEL. What does such censorship give us?”

It seems like CommieBob has this backwards. Clintel is trying to sue KPR and censor them for their opinions rather than the other way around.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 30, 2022 10:40 am

It’s evident you don’t understand what censorship is.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  commieBob
March 30, 2022 3:23 am

commieBob,
You realzse how complex and interdependent the market is! Ever tried to make a computer model of how the global market works, with actual values for the interacting variables?
If so, you might better understand the futility of trying to model global climate.
Why, we have not even got very far in our understanding of how the human body works, let alone make a model to diagnose ailments. Geoff S

Gerry, England
Reply to  commieBob
March 30, 2022 3:45 am

At some point in the future you might need to revisit your ‘inept invasion of the Ukraine’ statement when Russia achieves its main objectives.

commieBob
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 30, 2022 8:48 am

It’s main goal was to stroll into Kyiv and replace the government with a puppet. link Hah!

Given that Putin is an intelligence guy, it’s got to be really embarrassing that he apparently had no clue how well the Ukrainians were prepared for his invasion. The Ukrainians have been training and equipping themselves for years. Lots of the training was done by Western forces. How could Russia’s spies miss a whole bunch of American soldiers training a whole bunch of Ukrainian soldiers? How could Russia’s spies miss a whole bunch of weapons flowing into the Ukraine?

A quick web search for Russia inept prove that mine is not a minority opinion.

Jtom
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 30, 2022 5:32 pm

You mean one of Putin’s main objectives was showing the world how crappy his military is? Putin and his army will be recognized as nothing but cowardly baby-killers.

The big shock will come when hostilities cease, and Putin discovers he will never be able to sell anything to the West, and his oligarchs are permanently banned.

There will be no trade with Russia as long as Putin is alive.

Jim B(@texasjimbrock)
Reply to  commieBob
April 2, 2022 5:51 pm

Odeon women are not being prepared to be wives and mothers. The collapse of the family is a consequence.

Jim B(@texasjimbrock)
Reply to  Jim B
April 2, 2022 5:53 pm

I dunno where that Odeon came from. It was supposed to be “Modern”.

Walter Pate
Reply to  Thanks WUWT
March 29, 2022 10:51 pm

Is one of them the loss of taxpayer subsidies to Musk interests?

Laws of Nature
March 29, 2022 5:18 am

“climate denier”
is quite abhorent insult as it ws created with the context to push climate skeptics in the corner of neonazi holocaust denier.
It is about time to ban this one.. J. Curry calls their readers at Climate Etc “denizens” ..as good her posts are I object to that as well!

Leo Smith
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 29, 2022 5:47 am

DENIZEN:

noun

an inhabitant; resident.

a person who regularly frequents a place; habitué: the denizens of a local bar.

anything adapted to a new place, condition, etc., as an animal or plant not indigenous to a place but successfully naturalized.

British Law. an alien admitted to residence and to certain rights of citizenship in a country: this legal designation has been obsolete since the first half of the 20th century.

Why on earth would you object to that?

Kevin McNeill
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 10:49 am

My thought exactly!

Laws of Nature
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 12:35 pm

Oh ignorance on my part.. lol English is not my first language.. I thought it is a construct coming from denier.. but you are right.. for what its worth I withdraw all my objections.. not surprisingly J. Curry knows better than me 🙂

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 29, 2022 9:23 am

The left justifies their activism because “words are violence.” We are far too polite in accepting the insult of being called “deniers.”

Mr.
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 29, 2022 9:43 am

Yep.
AGW acolytes should be called –
“Kool-Aiders”

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 29, 2022 6:56 pm

“Denier” should trigger the climate equivalent of Godwyn, use of the term means you lose the debate automatically

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Richard M
March 29, 2022 5:59 am

It would be great if the lawsuit also contained a section where they reference Miskolczi 2010’s section on radiation exchange equilibrium (which removes the potential for any downwelling IR flux) and the fact there is no such thing as a greenhouse effect. The planet is not warmed top down like a greenhouse, it is warmed bottom up. CO2 does warm the atmosphere, but the process is independent of CO2 concentration.

Therefore, big oil is completely innocent of any wrong doing. It is misinformation from the field of climate pseudo-science which needs to stop.

In order for this to get going we need to educate all skeptics and real scientists how the atmosphere really works. WUWT could lead the way but currently appears to buy the pseudo-science.

PS. Dr. Miskolczi needs to be nominated for the Nobel Prize in physics or chemistry.

Richard M
Reply to  Richard M
March 29, 2022 6:52 am

One way for a person to verify this work is to look at the upward flux in a radiation model. Look at 2km and at the TOA. They will be equal at any CO2 concentration if the model is working right. This means there cannot be a downward flux as that would violate conservation of energy. QED.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Richard M
March 29, 2022 9:25 am

Instead of just down-voting Richard M, how about demonstrating how and why he is wrong?

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 29, 2022 9:58 am

It has been done.

Richard M
Reply to  MarkW
March 29, 2022 11:28 am

All that has been done is repeating claims that are false. There were some good questions which I can now answer. This is the hammer that destroys AGW. You should be open to discussions at a minimum.

For example, one of the criticisms was why does MODTRAN show what looks like an increase in DWIR? The answer: Because as you move down in altitude the density increases. Since CO2 radiates in all directions there will naturally be an increase in DWIR. All you are seeing is the effects of that density increase. It is not a downward flux.

It requires computing the DWIR change relative to the density increase to find any real flux. I don’t think anyone is doing this.

Richard M
Reply to  Richard M
March 29, 2022 2:28 pm

Some folks have pointed to the alarmist response to this paper. Let me tell you straight up. The response is pure gamesmanship and anyone who fell for it isn’t putting in enough thought . Here’s one key statement from the response:

“In reality this approximate equality is caused by the fact that the upward surface flux
is absorbed in the lower atmosphere and the downward infrared flux (Ed) also originates
from this same region. This is due to the fact that the mass of most greenhouse gases is
concentrated at lower levels”

So, they just admitted that for 97% of the height of the atmosphere the radiation exchange equilibrium holds but fails in the last 3% and that proves it’s wrong. Say what?

The reason it doesn’t hold low in the atmosphere is because of the boundary layer. The boundary layer and surface are always in thermal equilibrium mainly due to being in direct contact. Lots of energy is also carried a little higher in the atmosphere due to turbulence. All this is well known.

You can see this effect in Figure 3 in Miskolczi’s paper.

We know exactly why the bottom of the atmosphere doesn’t follow the lapse rate. It is exactly the same reason REE doesn’t hold. However, in no way does this falsify the Miskolczi paper or the lapse rate.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Richard M
March 29, 2022 9:28 pm

Tropospheric CO₂ decays collisionally. There is virtually no radiative decay.

There is no down-welling or up-welling 15-micron IR from CO₂ radiative decay from a vibrational excited state. The excess kinetic energy from the collisional decay of CO₂ gets thermalized into the quasi-blackbody radiation field.

Ceteris paribus, the blackbody radiant temperature of Earth gets a little greater. But whether that energy shows up as sensible heat is anyone’s guess.

Richard M
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 30, 2022 8:48 am

Agree completely. CO2 also gets excited collisionally and will radiate from this state. That is the CO2 flux I am talking about. I assume this also narrows the frequency range.

2hotel9
March 29, 2022 7:06 am

Also sue them personally, each individual involved. Bankrupt them and their families. Make stupid hurt. And since their libel crossed national boundaries sue them in every country their broadcasts reach. Be just as vindictive and vicious as the left is.

Drake
Reply to  2hotel9
March 29, 2022 10:29 am

That takes a LOT on money.

The LEFT has a lot of money, they are the crony capitalists that are getting it from the taxpayers through government graft.

2hotel9
Reply to  Drake
March 30, 2022 3:46 am

Actually it does not cost a single cent.The left has taught us that.

markl
March 29, 2022 8:04 am

It’s about time. I hope it gets traction with other similar defamations.

Martin Pinder
March 29, 2022 12:49 pm

Good for them. About time someone hit back.

Duane
March 29, 2022 1:07 pm

“Climate denier” is a ridiculous term to begin with. What, are they saying that we deny that there is such a thing as “climate”?

“Holocaust denier” made sense as a pejorative, because those people literally denied that the Holocaust ever happened.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Duane
March 29, 2022 7:00 pm

They always word it that we deny the climate is changing forcing us to correct them that we only question why and how much, not is it.

They are simply fascists

Russell
March 30, 2022 12:44 am

The use of terms such as “climate freedom denier” and “oil unreliables industry” are should typically be employed to stigmatize an woke organizations. … We now say ‘enough is enough … We’ve had quite enough of this nonsense!

Marcel
April 5, 2022 1:37 am

These statements from KRO and other state and/or far left media are pure conspiracy theories. According to them every crtical view is seen as paid for by oil companies.

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