Four years from now parents will be using pics of Biden and Harris to scare their kids into being good, “Behave or we’ll bring them back.”
Regards,
Bob
Sarag
March 26, 2022 2:30 am
How do we convince the scientific illiterates that there is no climate emergency? Especially those in politics?
Rob_Dawg
March 26, 2022 2:38 am
Why isn’t the very real crisis of environmental destruction along our Southern Border caused by illegal immigration a focus of our self appointed guardians of the planet?
eo
March 26, 2022 2:38 am
Some Germans are in sydney, asutralia disrupting the ports and the supply chain in the name of climate change after traveling half way around the world. According to the news the government has arrested them and deport them back to Germany .If those kids are serious they should be ask to swim all the way back to Germany. Instead of showing for their cause they are simply showing their hierocracy.
Gordo
March 26, 2022 2:50 am
Hi All,
I happened to reread Margaret Atwood’s “Oryx and Crake”, a novel published in 2003 which poses an incredibly dystopian future through the misuse of genetic manipulation and the division within society of a scientific elite and the “Peebs” – basically everyone else. What struck me quite strongly was how much of it’s time that novel was, and how our fears of transgenic organisms etc has diminished considerably since then. So we have a situation where the public probably quite broadly distrusted the scientists (and the corporations) engaged in this work, and now appear relatively more sanguine. How did this happen?. One area that the protagonists for genetic manipulation seem to have had some success is in the production of scientifically appropriate websites with a high standard of journalism with the Genetic Literacy Project springing to mind. The MSM also seems to have taken a more tolerant view over the last number of years.
I believe that much of the antagonism to GM foods stemmed from a distrust of large corporations, so in that sense it was something of a darling of the left.
It would be interesting to invite comments related to how this was achieved, and whether this has any relevance to the current debate between climate alarmists and climate realists.
Great Barrier Reef authority confirms unprecedented sixth mass coral bleaching event Aerial surveys show almost no reefs across a 1,200km stretch escaping the heat, prompting scientists to call for urgent action on climate crisis
just when i thought there might be a shred of decency from a member of of the us senate joe manchin says he will vote to confirm brown to scotus. i wonder what sinema will do.
I am posing my problem to the climate fans here, as I did to Rick, on a previous thread.
Rick
Thanks very much for the reply. As far as I know, they measure the temperature of the waters about a foot beneath the surface, especially in the reports that I quoted in table 2. (Click on my name to find the relevant report, click on the result in the table to see its origin).
If you look at my table 1 of same report of mine, you will see that the amount of heat coming in (Tmax) is actually higher in the SH than in the NH. Yet Tmin is going down in the SH and it is going up in the NH. This is important information that you will find nowhere but from me.
The warming of the oceans per latitude is observed as being 0.70 (@ur momisugly90) , 0.53 (@ur momisugly58), 0.30 (@ur momisugly52), 0.17 (@ur momisugly90 to 0), 0.09 (0 to -90), 0.045 (@ur momisugly-90,= my estimate from the trend) in K/decade (@ur momisugly degrees latitude)
Do you not see a clear trend here?
Clearly, that what is putting up Tmin in the NH is coming from its surrounding waters. Simple logic. One does not have to make the weather more complicated than what it is. Earth itself is doing some heating itself?
Logic also tells me that at least half of the heat generated from around the equator is going south, simply because of the temperature differential (The south pole is colder than the north pole)
Hence, the extra heat that we see at the north pole is coming from somewhere else than the sun or mankind…
Why is it so difficult for people to see this?
(click on my name)
Ireneusz Palmowski
March 26, 2022 5:18 am
A strong Arctic front is moving eastward over the Great Lakes. Temperatures (C) are dropping rapidly.
Professor Guus Berkhout has published a challenge to the engineering community, to step up and make the Western energy transition work. He emphasizes that reliable and affordable energy is the key to future prosperity and well-being. So, if the transition fails then the Western world will fall back into poor economies without any power and authority. His opening call is pointed and clear:
“Experienced Engineers must take the lead in the Energy Transition. Green politicians made a big mess of the energy transition and climate scientists encouraged them with their computer models. Putin and Xi JinPing must have watched the self-destruction of the Western World with utter amazement and gratitude. Experienced engineers must pick up the pieces soonest.”
Berkhout says there are actually three distinct challenges, all engineering intensive. One is developing the technology needed for adaptation to climate change, whatever the cause of this change. The second is designing and building the energy transition by making use of the unlimited human intelligence. The third is focusing on measurement technologies that are desperately needed to advance climate science.
He also addresses engineering education, saying “Today’s technical universities have a great responsibility to educate the new generation of engineers. Without them, there will be no sustainable future.”
“Alarmism has worked in one way, the 30 year endless repetition that co2 causes warming.”
Alarmism works by setting up a decoy position for you to waste your time attacking. The question is not, and never has been, whether CO2 causes warming. It has always been whether it causes enough warming to be a problem.
Alarmists like to pretend that once you accept the basic physics of the GHE, that all the disaster predictions follow as an inevitable consequence. It would be like people predicting a catastrophic asteroid impact follows from the law of gravity – there are rocks in the sky, they’re heavy, they fall down. You can’t win that argument by trying to claim that gravity doesn’t exist!
Don’t fall into the trap of assuming that just because they say that “CO2 causes warming therefore we must panic”, that this is so. Yes, CO2 causes warming. No, we don’t need to panic. If you waste your time in a fruitless attempt to prove CO2 doesn’t cause warming, and burn your own credibility in the process, they’ll be able to get away with the other, flawed part of their argument scot free.
Alasdair
March 26, 2022 6:21 am
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to conclude that there something seriously WRONG with all these Climate Hysteria notions flying about. Consider this:- When here on Earth we all turn to WATER to COOL things if we find something a bit too warm, by sweating or putting our fingers under the tap or jumping into the sea or- I could go on; here we are being relentlessly told by the Elite, the Expurts, the Politicians, the UN and its acolytes such as the IPCC etc. etc. All well infiltrated by leftwing/marxist covert activists that it is WATER, being a Greenhouse gas that is about to COOK us all to extinction.
Both can’t be right; so which is it; Your eyes and experience or your faith in the ethical desert found in those mentioned above.?
Believe the CAGW message if you like; but please don’t drag us all down to that level of thinking in the process.
It has all gone totally POLITICAL these days so be very wary who and what you vote for; for you may well be being duped with misinformation plausibly presented.
Can corn planting impact weather patterns? I moved to Iowa in 2000 and for a number of years after, late afternoon to early evening thunderstorms would hit on an almost daily basis. Now, 22 years later these storms seem to be rare. Seeding per acre of corn across the grain belt has increased due to hybrid seeds developed by various seed producers. The Iowa State Extension published this: What is the best seeding rate for corn based on seed prices and yield level? | Integrated Crop Management (iastate.edu) As this trend has occurred in Nebraska as well as the other primary corn states. Can the inspiration/respiration of the per acre increase of corn affect the once common evening storms? I just wonder if it’s possible to have an effect or not. And I know that that could be one part of multiple effects of changes to the weather pattern here.
Bruce Cobb
March 26, 2022 6:58 am
Is Kyiv Putin’s Waterloo moment? I have visions of the Russian Orcs being kicked back to the hell from whence they came.
michael hart
March 26, 2022 7:13 am
On the lighter side:”Black man ‘not dressed for climate’ searched by Met police”https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60882083
Perhaps his main offence has been listening to the BBC too often.
There are so many angles from which to view the war in Ukraine. I’ve tried my best to cover them to get a sense of why we are where we are… which is headed towards a much larger conflict.
Despite my deep cynicism, I am essentially an optimist. I tend to see opportunities for end games that result in humanity walking away from any kind of final solution. And sometimes that means having to look beyond the boundary conditions of the current conflict and see it in the grander context of what humanity is trying to achieve.
There’s a solution even if things look bleak because humanity has always recoiled from the worst of its excesses when personally confronted with them, at least for a few generations until the memories fade.
In WWII the nominal good guys, the Allies, defeated the nominal bad guys, the Axis, but mainly the Nazis. I’m not one to subscribe to that caricature of events. I know the issues are far deeper than that.
Old.George
March 26, 2022 7:58 am
“Trans” is not a preference. A trans can be L,G or B. Or even cis.
Jeff Reppun
March 26, 2022 9:07 am
Challenging Government Science Bias
The major problem we have in fighting the concept of a “Climate Crisis” is the production or promotion of information by federal agencies of selected and biased information. In my opinion, this is in direct contradiction of federal law. Ultimately this biased information will be used to undermine any challenges to the multitude “Climate Crisis” regulations that will take us down the path weakened energy supply system with enormous negative economic consequences. Courts will be obliged to rely on government scientific organizations on making technical calls in court. Fighting the obvious biases during any legal challenge will likely fail.
In Section 515(a) of the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2001 (Public Law 106-554; H.R. 5658), Congress directed Office of Management and Budget to issue government-wide guidelines that “provide policy and procedural guidance to Federal agencies for ensuring and maximizing the quality, objectivity, utility, and integrity of information (including statistical information) disseminated by Federal agencies….”
Not only do the requirements address federal agency produced products but it also requires that any referenced scientific studies referenced must also comply with these guidelines. In my opinion, the work products of the IPCC would not comply with these guidelines.
What is needed is an organized and coordinated attack utilizing each agencies Quality Assurance Plan, with support of the OMB guidelines, to challenge agencies obvious abuses of this congressional mandate. The guidelines require that Quality Assurance Plans include requirements to address challenges.
The tempest caused by the European energy disaster has merged with the hurricane of consequences flowing from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, forming the genesis of a generational crisis in food that will leave few unaffected.
As much as I love WUWT for a daily read, I do think that too many readers are not getting enough out of it. Many readers are happy to post a comment, some short and funny, sometimes quite profound.
But few seem to go to the next step, which is to contribute data. There are some matters like (for example) heatwaves that are easy to compute for your locality, as I have done for mine, Melbourne, Australia. Instead of near-endless words back and forth, make some pictures and post them.
Here is a study that took about a week of part-time work, using elementary Excel spreadsheet manual methods that require no programming skills.
Readers can see for themselves whether heatwaves are getting hotter in these 6 State capitals cities. http://www.geoffstuff.com/asixheatwave2022.xlsx
Here is another example, where I used the Viscount Monckton of Brenchley approach to show how long before now the latest pause in temperatures change has existed over Australia. http://www.geoffstuff.com/aust_cools_106_months.jpg
This clearly shows that the UAH lower troposphere temperature has slightly cooled for the past 8 years and 10 months.
The pictures speak louder than words. Why not make pictures like these for your own locations to share with us? It is often dead easy to do, but quite powerful in impact.
Geoff S
Four years from now parents will be using pics of Biden and Harris to scare their kids into being good, “Behave or we’ll bring them back.”
Regards,
Bob
How do we convince the scientific illiterates that there is no climate emergency? Especially those in politics?
Why isn’t the very real crisis of environmental destruction along our Southern Border caused by illegal immigration a focus of our self appointed guardians of the planet?
Some Germans are in sydney, asutralia disrupting the ports and the supply chain in the name of climate change after traveling half way around the world. According to the news the government has arrested them and deport them back to Germany .If those kids are serious they should be ask to swim all the way back to Germany. Instead of showing for their cause they are simply showing their hierocracy.
Hi All,
I happened to reread Margaret Atwood’s “Oryx and Crake”, a novel published in 2003 which poses an incredibly dystopian future through the misuse of genetic manipulation and the division within society of a scientific elite and the “Peebs” – basically everyone else. What struck me quite strongly was how much of it’s time that novel was, and how our fears of transgenic organisms etc has diminished considerably since then. So we have a situation where the public probably quite broadly distrusted the scientists (and the corporations) engaged in this work, and now appear relatively more sanguine. How did this happen?. One area that the protagonists for genetic manipulation seem to have had some success is in the production of scientifically appropriate websites with a high standard of journalism with the Genetic Literacy Project springing to mind. The MSM also seems to have taken a more tolerant view over the last number of years.
I believe that much of the antagonism to GM foods stemmed from a distrust of large corporations, so in that sense it was something of a darling of the left.
It would be interesting to invite comments related to how this was achieved, and whether this has any relevance to the current debate between climate alarmists and climate realists.
Great Barrier Reef authority confirms unprecedented sixth mass coral bleaching event | Great Barrier Reef | The Guardian
Great Barrier Reef authority confirms unprecedented sixth mass coral bleaching event
Aerial surveys show almost no reefs across a 1,200km stretch escaping the heat, prompting scientists to call for urgent action on climate crisis
just when i thought there might be a shred of decency from a member of of the us senate joe manchin says he will vote to confirm brown to scotus. i wonder what sinema will do.
I am posing my problem to the climate fans here, as I did to Rick, on a previous thread.
Rick
Thanks very much for the reply. As far as I know, they measure the temperature of the waters about a foot beneath the surface, especially in the reports that I quoted in table 2. (Click on my name to find the relevant report, click on the result in the table to see its origin).
If you look at my table 1 of same report of mine, you will see that the amount of heat coming in (Tmax) is actually higher in the SH than in the NH. Yet Tmin is going down in the SH and it is going up in the NH. This is important information that you will find nowhere but from me.
The warming of the oceans per latitude is observed as being 0.70 (@ur momisugly90) , 0.53 (@ur momisugly58), 0.30 (@ur momisugly52), 0.17 (@ur momisugly90 to 0), 0.09 (0 to -90), 0.045 (@ur momisugly-90,= my estimate from the trend) in K/decade (@ur momisugly degrees latitude)
Do you not see a clear trend here?
Clearly, that what is putting up Tmin in the NH is coming from its surrounding waters. Simple logic. One does not have to make the weather more complicated than what it is. Earth itself is doing some heating itself?
Logic also tells me that at least half of the heat generated from around the equator is going south, simply because of the temperature differential (The south pole is colder than the north pole)
Hence, the extra heat that we see at the north pole is coming from somewhere else than the sun or mankind…
Why is it so difficult for people to see this?
(click on my name)
A strong Arctic front is moving eastward over the Great Lakes. Temperatures (C) are dropping rapidly.
CLINTEL president calls for engineers to lead us out of the energy mess
By David Wojick
https://www.cfact.org/2022/03/26/clintel-president-calls-for-engineers-to-lead-us-out-of-the-energy-mess/
The beginning:
Professor Guus Berkhout has published a challenge to the engineering community, to step up and make the Western energy transition work. He emphasizes that reliable and affordable energy is the key to future prosperity and well-being. So, if the transition fails then the Western world will fall back into poor economies without any power and authority. His opening call is pointed and clear:
“Experienced Engineers must take the lead in the Energy Transition. Green politicians made a big mess of the energy transition and climate scientists encouraged them with their computer models. Putin and Xi JinPing must have watched the self-destruction of the Western World with utter amazement and gratitude. Experienced engineers must pick up the pieces soonest.”
Berkhout says there are actually three distinct challenges, all engineering intensive. One is developing the technology needed for adaptation to climate change, whatever the cause of this change. The second is designing and building the energy transition by making use of the unlimited human intelligence. The third is focusing on measurement technologies that are desperately needed to advance climate science.
He also addresses engineering education, saying “Today’s technical universities have a great responsibility to educate the new generation of engineers. Without them, there will be no sustainable future.”
Lots more in the article. Please share it.
Let the engineers be heard.
It’s a lovely sunny day
If this is a crisis bring it on
Here’s a post that deserves a re-read:
Nullius in Verba said at April 12th 2014 @ur momisugly 8:59 AM:
“Alarmism has worked in one way, the 30 year endless repetition that co2 causes warming.”
Alarmism works by setting up a decoy position for you to waste your time attacking. The question is not, and never has been, whether CO2 causes warming. It has always been whether it causes enough warming to be a problem.
Alarmists like to pretend that once you accept the basic physics of the GHE, that all the disaster predictions follow as an inevitable consequence. It would be like people predicting a catastrophic asteroid impact follows from the law of gravity – there are rocks in the sky, they’re heavy, they fall down. You can’t win that argument by trying to claim that gravity doesn’t exist!
Don’t fall into the trap of assuming that just because they say that “CO2 causes warming therefore we must panic”, that this is so. Yes, CO2 causes warming. No, we don’t need to panic. If you waste your time in a fruitless attempt to prove CO2 doesn’t cause warming, and burn your own credibility in the process, they’ll be able to get away with the other, flawed part of their argument scot free.
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to conclude that there something seriously WRONG with all these Climate Hysteria notions flying about. Consider this:- When here on Earth we all turn to WATER to COOL things if we find something a bit too warm, by sweating or putting our fingers under the tap or jumping into the sea or- I could go on; here we are being relentlessly told by the Elite, the Expurts, the Politicians, the UN and its acolytes such as the IPCC etc. etc. All well infiltrated by leftwing/marxist covert activists that it is WATER, being a Greenhouse gas that is about to COOK us all to extinction.
Both can’t be right; so which is it; Your eyes and experience or your faith in the ethical desert found in those mentioned above.?
Believe the CAGW message if you like; but please don’t drag us all down to that level of thinking in the process.
It has all gone totally POLITICAL these days so be very wary who and what you vote for; for you may well be being duped with misinformation plausibly presented.
Well, I’ll be dipped! The Warmistas at YouTube are even blocking Thomas Sowell on Climate Change:
Thomas Sowell Climate Change – YouTube
Regards,
Bob
Can corn planting impact weather patterns? I moved to Iowa in 2000 and for a number of years after, late afternoon to early evening thunderstorms would hit on an almost daily basis. Now, 22 years later these storms seem to be rare. Seeding per acre of corn across the grain belt has increased due to hybrid seeds developed by various seed producers. The Iowa State Extension published this: What is the best seeding rate for corn based on seed prices and yield level? | Integrated Crop Management (iastate.edu) As this trend has occurred in Nebraska as well as the other primary corn states. Can the inspiration/respiration of the per acre increase of corn affect the once common evening storms? I just wonder if it’s possible to have an effect or not. And I know that that could be one part of multiple effects of changes to the weather pattern here.
Is Kyiv Putin’s Waterloo moment? I have visions of the Russian Orcs being kicked back to the hell from whence they came.
On the lighter side:”Black man ‘not dressed for climate’ searched by Met police”https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60882083
Perhaps his main offence has been listening to the BBC too often.
Excerpt from
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/nato-and-russia-whistling-past-each-other-s-graveyards
NATO And Russia – Whistling Past Each Other’s Graveyards
Authored by Tom Luongo via Gold, Goats, ‘n Guns blog,
“What we have here, is a failure to communicate.”
There are so many angles from which to view the war in Ukraine. I’ve tried my best to cover them to get a sense of why we are where we are… which is headed towards a much larger conflict.
Despite my deep cynicism, I am essentially an optimist. I tend to see opportunities for end games that result in humanity walking away from any kind of final solution. And sometimes that means having to look beyond the boundary conditions of the current conflict and see it in the grander context of what humanity is trying to achieve.
There’s a solution even if things look bleak because humanity has always recoiled from the worst of its excesses when personally confronted with them, at least for a few generations until the memories fade.
In WWII the nominal good guys, the Allies, defeated the nominal bad guys, the Axis, but mainly the Nazis. I’m not one to subscribe to that caricature of events. I know the issues are far deeper than that.
“Trans” is not a preference. A trans can be L,G or B. Or even cis.
Challenging Government Science Bias
The major problem we have in fighting the concept of a “Climate Crisis” is the production or promotion of information by federal agencies of selected and biased information. In my opinion, this is in direct contradiction of federal law. Ultimately this biased information will be used to undermine any challenges to the multitude “Climate Crisis” regulations that will take us down the path weakened energy supply system with enormous negative economic consequences. Courts will be obliged to rely on government scientific organizations on making technical calls in court. Fighting the obvious biases during any legal challenge will likely fail.
In Section 515(a) of the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2001 (Public Law 106-554; H.R. 5658), Congress directed Office of Management and Budget to issue government-wide guidelines that “provide policy and procedural guidance to Federal agencies for ensuring and maximizing the quality, objectivity, utility, and integrity of information (including statistical information) disseminated by Federal agencies….”
Not only do the requirements address federal agency produced products but it also requires that any referenced scientific studies referenced must also comply with these guidelines. In my opinion, the work products of the IPCC would not comply with these guidelines.
What is needed is an organized and coordinated attack utilizing each agencies Quality Assurance Plan, with support of the OMB guidelines, to challenge agencies obvious abuses of this congressional mandate. The guidelines require that Quality Assurance Plans include requirements to address challenges.
Federal Register :: Guidelines for Ensuring and Maximizing the Quality, Objectivity, Utility, and Integrity of Information Disseminated by Federal Agencies; Republication
This is a rather troubling article:
Farmers on the Brink
Is now the time to plan ahead?
For those in the UK…. There is a petition for the government to “End the ban on fracking”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/608745
—-It seems that very people are aware of it
Following a new study, drought was the reason Winkings left Greenland, not the decreasing temperatures of the LIA.
Written down here
and
here
It’s hard to believe an article of green doubt actually got published:
https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2021/11/19/ted-nordhaus-on-how-green-activists-mislead-and-hold-back-progress
As much as I love WUWT for a daily read, I do think that too many readers are not getting enough out of it. Many readers are happy to post a comment, some short and funny, sometimes quite profound.
But few seem to go to the next step, which is to contribute data. There are some matters like (for example) heatwaves that are easy to compute for your locality, as I have done for mine, Melbourne, Australia. Instead of near-endless words back and forth, make some pictures and post them.
Here is a study that took about a week of part-time work, using elementary Excel spreadsheet manual methods that require no programming skills.
Readers can see for themselves whether heatwaves are getting hotter in these 6 State capitals cities.
http://www.geoffstuff.com/asixheatwave2022.xlsx
Here is another example, where I used the Viscount Monckton of Brenchley approach to show how long before now the latest pause in temperatures change has existed over Australia.
http://www.geoffstuff.com/aust_cools_106_months.jpg
This clearly shows that the UAH lower troposphere temperature has slightly cooled for the past 8 years and 10 months.
The pictures speak louder than words. Why not make pictures like these for your own locations to share with us? It is often dead easy to do, but quite powerful in impact.
Geoff S