Climate lockdown: Paper published in prestigious journal laments ‘democracy’ & calls for ‘authoritarian environmentalism’ modeled after COVID lockdowns to fight climate ’emergency’

From Climate Depot

Political Legitimacy, Authoritarianism, and Climate Change – Published online by Cambridge University Press – American Political Science Review – December 6, 2021

ROSS MITTIGA – Assistant Professor, Instituto de Ciencia Política, Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile, Chile, ross.mittiga@uc.cl 

Abstract Excerpt: Is authoritarian power ever legitimate? … While, under normal conditions, maintaining democracy and rights is typically compatible with guaranteeing safety, in emergency situations, conflicts between these two aspects of legitimacy can and often do arise. A salient example of this is the COVID-19 pandemic, during which severe limitations on free movement and association have become legitimate techniques of government. Climate change poses an even graver threat to public safety. Consequently, I argue, legitimacy may require a similarly authoritarian approach.” 

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The paper’s author Ross Mittaga, calls for “authoritarian environmentalism” to address the alleged climate “emergency.” : “It is ultimately an empirical question whether authoritarian governance is better able to realize desired environmental outcomes and, if so why and to what extent? Yet, it is undeniable that nearly all wealthy democratic states have failed to respond adequately to the climate crisis. By contrast, various less affluent authoritarian regimes have been successful in implementing stringent climate policies…”  

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Climate Depot Note: Here is a full report on the growing movement to push climate lockdowns:Reality Check: ‘Climate lockdowns’ touted by Gates & Soros funded professors, Govts, media, & academia

Watch: Morano’s full 25 min speech on Climate Lockdowns at Heartland Skeptic Conference in Las Vegas

Watch: Morano’s full 25 min speech on Climate Lockdowns at Heartland Skeptic Conference in Las Vegas

By: Marc Morano – Climate Depot

December 31, 2021

AbstractIs authoritarian power ever legitimate? The contemporary political theory literature—which largely conceptualizes legitimacy in terms of democracy or basic rights—would seem to suggest not. I argue, however, that there exists another, overlooked aspect of legitimacy concerning a government’s ability to ensure safety and security. While, under normal conditions, maintaining democracy and rights is typically compatible with guaranteeing safety, in emergency situations, conflicts between these two aspects of legitimacy can and often do arise. A salient example of this is the COVID-19 pandemic, during which severe limitations on free movement and association have become legitimate techniques of government. Climate change poses an even graver threat to public safety. Consequently, I argue, legitimacy may require a similarly authoritarian approach. While unsettling, this suggests the political importance of climate action. For if we wish to avoid legitimating authoritarian power, we must act to prevent crises from arising that can only be resolved by such means.

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Below is an analysis of the new study by Professor Alexander Wutke, Political Psychology at U Mannheim who does not support the paper’s ideas.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1476850341564063756.html

Other academics have critiqued the paper.

Professor Alexander Wutke, Political Psychology at U Mannheim: “A prestigious journal in political science, @apsrjournal, has published a disturbing piece of l political theory. In my reading, it explicitly argues that we must put climate action over democracy and adopt authoritarian governance if democracies fail to act on climate change. The study’s main question, as I see it, is whether we should abandon democracy to save the climate. It argues why it could be justified to dismantle democracy in order to ensure climate policies through authoritarian governance. To make the point of abandoning democratic governance the study builds on an unholy alliance of democracy-skeptic references from Hobbes to Schmitt to Extinction rebellion. … If most citizens disagree with you about the optimal trade-off between climate change mitigations and other goals, where do you take the right from to put your preferences over the expressed will of most other citizens? … Overall, I find the article troubling for the context in which it is published. We are going through a 3rd wave of autocratization as @AnnaLuehrmann / @StaffanILindber put it. Pressure on democracy is mounting from multiple sides. … In this climate, we need elites who stand up for the principle of self-governing free and equal people… I think my reading reflects the core argument of the article: a hierarchy of desired goals with climate politics first and democracy second. The article argues that crises not only can legitimize but may require authoritarian governance.” 

By Alexander Wuttke

A prestigious journal in political science, @apsrjournal, has published a disturbing piece of l political theory. In my reading, it explicitly argues that we must put climate action over democracy and adopt authoritarian governance if democracies fail to act on climate change.

A longer thread to explain why I disagree with the study’s conclusion and arguments.

The author of the study is @RossMittiga.
I’ve been in touch with Ross before publishing this thread but let’s focus on the study itself.

Political Legitimacy, Authoritarianism, and Climate Change | American Political Science Review | Cambridge Core Political Legitimacy, Authoritarianism, and Climate Changehttps://doi.org/10.1017/S0003055421001301

I preface that I am no expert in political philosophy. I do not know the disciplinary standards or expectations. Please tell me where I get things wrong. Also, there is much to like about this article. It is well written and accessible for empirical scholars like myself. It does not shy away from controversial conclusions.

It is clearly written, even when calling for the dismantling of democracy. The study’s main question, as I see it, is whether we should abandon democracy to save the climate. It argues why it could be justified to dismantle democracy in order to ensure climate policies through authoritarian governance. The study preemptively states that the relative efficacy of democracies vs authoritarian is an empirical question but still expresses sympathies with climate policies of authoritarian governments.

I take from a recent @vdeminstitute symposium that democracies are more likely to provide environmental goods for their citizens – but results seem less clear for global commons including climate politics

But if it was an open question whether democracies do or do not better at climate change mitigation, where does the impetus come from to question democracy? Why not authoritarian governance and see their regime type as an obstacle to climate change mitigation? It would make equal sense to think about justifications to eradicate authoritarian governments that do not pursue sufficient climate policies.

Yet, the starting point here is to see democracy as the problem.
(This mirrors sentiments often heard from climate activists.) (Also, if it’s an open question whether regime types determine climate policies, why agonize over trade-offs between regime vs climate? If we do not know whether the two are related, why not spend the energy in areas where potential effects are promising and not open questions?) I am genuinely puzzled about the origins of this anti-democratic intuition that seems to give rise to the entire endeavor of exploring whether we should sacrifice democracy for the sake of a higher good. Still, while I cannot grasp the motivation for this question, let us take the study’s answer seriously. 

To make the point of abandoning democratic governance the study builds on an unholy alliance of democracy-skeptic references from Hobbes to Schmitt to Extinction rebellion.

The core argument is a distinction between foundational (FL) and contingent legitimacy (CL).In a Hobbesian tradition, any government’s most fundamental goal is to protect the safety of its citizens which provides foundational legitimacy.

Not mitigating climate change threatens safety and thus undermines foundational legitimacy. Democracy, on the other hand, is nice to have but the principle of self-governance of free and equal people only provides contingent legitimacy.

That’s unfortunate for democracy as it now is only of secondary importance. Democracy does not fulfill primary needs. Its value is contingent and more like a fashion. In our times, people value it, but in earlier centuries people did not. So its value is not foundational but contingent on the people’s current desires.Distinguishing fundamental legitimacy (safety, climate politics) vs contingent legitimacy (democracy) is the core of the argument.

And it leads the author to anti-democratic conclusions. I find all of this troubling and not convincing.1st, what is the epistemic value of people’s opinions a few decades ago for normative judgments today?
2nd, why would climate change mitigation so clearly count as a primary goal?
3rd, why are the values we want to realize with democracy -equality and freedom- not primary goals? We could have long discussions about each of these questions. But isn’t the point of democracy to establish procedures exactly to pacify and regulate conflict over these and similar questions? Democracy is based on the principle of epistemic humility. The existence of intellectual fashions reminds us not to be too certain with our beliefs. We need democracy to decide on what the primary goods are and what is most important. If most citizens disagree with you about the optimal trade-off between climate change mitigations and other goals, where do you take the right from to put your preferences over the expressed will of most other citizens? I see the point that climate change makes our lives less safe and secure but many threats do.

Are all these (anticipated) threats reason to give up on democracy and who decides on which threats count? What I consider most valuable about this article is that it takes the problem of democratic trade-offs seriously. This is an underappreciated issue. We regularly have to balance democracy against other goals such as minority protection, rule of law of multilateralism. We too rarely discuss that, indeed, it is a (perhaps desirable) limitation of popular self-governance when courts overrule referenda or unelected international organizations put limits on parliamentary sovereignty. However, the article does not do much to help resolve these tensions. The article mainly treats these trade-offs as an either-or-question. In the rank order of legitimacy, only one goal can get first place. And this is safety (climate) and not democracy. But, in fact, institutional design is complex and often a question of degree and combination. We engage these trade-offs by, eg, tilting some rules towards rule of law and others towards pure democracy. I think the real and difficult question is not to decide whether democracy or protecting the climate is more important and then choose one over the other but how to balance multiple desirable goals at once. This is also why the article’s reference to the COVID-19 crisis is misguided. Yes, many countries changed legal rules, formal or informal institutions for decision-making to cope with the pandemic. But the point is that we never gave up on democracy.

Neither in principle nor in practice. Yes, we changed rules but not with the intention of dismantling democracy but with the goal to uphold the democratic principle in difficult circumstances. The article argues that crises not only can legitimize but may require authoritarian governance. This is not true. Democracies have fought the pandemic without giving up being democratic. (And yes, do not get me started on how democracies could have done a better job at it) (Note that the article does discuss specific authoritarian policies such as banning politicians from running for office after failing a climate litmus test, moving away from the either-or-approach that characterizes the main argument which pits democratic vs authoritarian gov) Overall, I find the article troubling for the context in which it is published.

We are going through a 3rd wave of autocratization as @AnnaLuehrmann / @StaffanILindber put it. Pressure on democracy is mounting from multiple sides. In this climate, we need elites who stand up for the principle of self-governing free and equal people.

This does not imply denying trade-offs or existing problems. To the contrary.
Being a committed democrat means acknowledging democracy’s imperfections and working on them Live in a democracy it is easy to become complacent and take freedom for granted. And it is easy to become frustrated for all the things that do not go your way. Stripping other people who disagree with you of their right to participate seems like a quick way to achieve what you think is best for society. But once we open pandora’s box we must be prepared that it will turn against ourselves some time. This article spends three sentences on the value of democracy and multiple pages on its drawbacks and flaws. It does not try to improve democracy or to make democracy compatible with the climate crisis. As a discipline, we should publish and discuss these positions and then reject them. 

You made it to the end of this thread. Congratulations!

Now let me add that @RossMittiga objects that I mischaracterize his article and that he would not advocate for an either/or dichotomy or for dismantling democracy. I see the point but I think my reading reflects the core argument of the article: a hierarchy of desired goals with climate politics first and democracy second. The article argues that crises not only can legitimize but may require authoritarian governance. This is not true. Democracies have fought the pandemic without giving up being democratic. (And yes, do not get me started on how democracies could have done a better job at it) (Note that the article does discuss specific authoritarian policies such as banning politicians from running for office after failing a climate litmus test, moving away from the either-or-approach that characterizes the main argument which pits democratic vs authoritarian gov) 

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Bruce Cobb
January 1, 2022 5:40 am

Yes, let’s sacrifice democracy on the altar of an imaginary threat, the so-called “climate crisis”. Good plan. The spin on this totally bogus idea is that it is not too late to avoid sacrificing democracy, as long as we do what the climate crisis ideology demands. It’s like a gun to the head of democracy. “Do this, or democracy gets it”.

Tom
January 1, 2022 5:52 am

The issue to me, is not “Will democracy get environmental decisions wrong?”, it’s “Will authoritarian governance get environmental decisions right?”

In the history of the world, authoritarian governance has always led to ignorance, poverty and corruption. Believing that it will lead to environmental utopia ignores historical precedence.

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Thomas Gasloli
January 1, 2022 6:25 am

Authoritarians do what authoritarians do: Covid, Climate, etc., just the excuse to do what they already wanted to do.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
January 1, 2022 3:17 pm

Authoritarians adopt destructive Covid and “climate” policies to gain power, not because they have any moral, ethical or scientific commitment to “doing the right thing”. They have no interest in that at all … ever.

markl
January 1, 2022 7:16 am

The Marxists have shed their stealth and decided it’s time for the push to force their ideology globally. Agenda 21 is their roadmap. CC is just one of the wedges to divide societies so they can rebuild them under their guidance.

January 1, 2022 8:22 am

Start with a false premise and you can then argue any conclusion you wish.
“Climate change poses an even graver threat to public safety… [ than COVID].”

Where’s your data?

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
January 1, 2022 8:23 am

So, what exactly makes this journal “prestigious”?

Ted
January 1, 2022 8:37 am

“severe limitations on free movement and association have become legitimate techniques of government”

Common doesn’t equal legitimate.

January 1, 2022 8:50 am

Among the references the paper cites is …

Oreskes, Naomi, and Conway, Erik M.. 2011. Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.

Could that be for any other purpose besides suggesting that material from skeptic climate scientists is unworthy of consideration?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Russell Cook
January 1, 2022 3:22 pm

How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.

Except that is precisely opposite to her intent. The fact is; only a tiny few “scientists” have set the narrative, while the rest merely go along to get along.

January 1, 2022 9:13 am

Well yes, the warmunists want an authoritarian government to address climate change because they realize that people in Democracies know it’s codswallop. Thereby they have proved that they are watermelons.

January 1, 2022 9:36 am

For those who think Covid-19 is a crisis

Executive Summary: Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the seasonal flu.

I. The extent of comorbidities in Covid-listed deaths: The CDC admitted that 94+% of deaths assigned to Covid-19 included an average of four (4) comorbidities.[1]

“For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.”

Likewise, Kompaniyets, et al., reported that 94.9% of patients with severe Covid-19 (N = 540,667) suffered from at least one comorbidity.[2]

II. Deaths from Covid-alone: The CDC reported a total of 764,473 Covid-19 deaths in the United States from 1 March 2020 through 17 November 2021, i.e., across 20.5 months.[3]

From the comorbidity statements of CDC or Kompaniyets, et al., an estimated 5.5% = 42,046 or 5.1% = 38,988 deaths, respectively, were caused by Covid-19 alone.

Annualized, the total burden of death per year from Covid-19 is 447,496. Deaths from Covid-19 alone are 24,612 or 22,822, respectively. The Covid-alone adjustments allow comparison with annual flu deaths.

III The influenza-alone death rate. The CDC annual influenza-associated deaths range between 12,000-52,000 over 2010 through 2020, with a mean annual death rate of 33,400.[4] However, a large hospitalization study (N = 13,297) indicated that only about 22% of influenza-associated deaths occur without underlying ultimate cause of death (UCOD) comorbidities.[5] The adjusted mean annual estimated death rate from influenza-alone as UCOD is then about 7348.

The CDC reported a comparable average annual influenza-caused death rate of 6309±3801 over 1976-2007 including underlying pneumonia.[6] Deaths from pneumonia and other acute respiratory diseases (ARDs) are heavily correlated with influenza and have been reasonably assigned to an influenza UCOD.[5]

IV Treatment-renormalized Covid death rate: The estimated Covid-alone annual death rate is 3.6-3.9 times the reported annual rate of influenza-caused deaths. However, this direct comparison is not justified, because of differences in treatment.

Early ambulatory out-patient treatment is standard protocol for influenza,[7, 8] but has been suppressed or excluded for those presenting Covid-19.[9-13] The NIH Covid-19 Treatment Guidelines document does not mention early treatment, while the CDC recommendation mentions only in-patient intravenous monoclonal antibodies.

Physician-recommended early treatments have produced an average 67% reduction in Covid-19 mortality.[14-20] Normalization of Covid-19-alone mortality by the risk reduction fraction achieved with early treatment procedurally aligns treatment of Covid-19 with treatment of influenza.

Early treatment renormalization by 0.33 yields an estimated UCOD intrinsic annual mortality rate of 7531 (Kompaniyets) to 8122 (CDC) deaths from Covid-19. This range is entirely consonant with the influenza UCOD death rate (Figure below).

Figure: Comparison of US annual deaths from influenza or Covid-19 as the ultimate cause of death (UCOD) under a regimen of early treatment. The uncertainty bars reflect the range of annual deaths over 1976-2007 (influenza) or the 2.1% statistical uncertainty in the CDC modeled estimate of deaths (Covid-19 burden) as of September 2021.[21]
 
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[2]      Kompaniyets, L., et al., Underlying Medical Conditions and Severe Illness Among 540,667 Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19, March 2020-March 2021. Preventing Chronic Disease, 2021. 18(p. E66 https://doi.org/10.5888/pcd18.210123.
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[16]    Accinelli, R.A., et al., Hydroxychloroquine / azithromycin in COVID-19: The association between time to treatment and case fatality rate. Travel Medicine and Infectious Disease, 2021. 44(p. 102163 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893921002040.
[17]    McCullough, P.A., et al., Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19). Rev Cardiovasc Med, 2020. 21(4): p. 517-530
[18]    McCullough, P.A., et al., Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection. Am J Med, 2021. 134(1): p. 16-22
[19]    Procter, B.C., et al., Clinical outcomes after early ambulatory multidrug therapy for high-risk SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) infection. Rev Cardiovasc Med, 2020. 21(4): p. 611-614
[20]    Procter, B.C., et al., Early Ambulatory Multidrug Therapy Reduces Hospitalization and Death in High-Risk Patients with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19). International Journal of Innovative Research in Medical Science, 2021. 6(03): p. 219 – 221 https://ijirms.in/index.php/ijirms/article/view/1100.
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Curious George
Reply to  Pat Frank
January 1, 2022 1:11 pm

This is an executive summary .. of what?

Reply to  Curious George
January 1, 2022 1:25 pm

Read the comment and find out.

January 1, 2022 9:43 am

I think we are approaching a point where these people will need to be removed? Prevented from speaking? Jailed? Worse?

Here in canada, referring to the “climate crisis”, Trudeau openly mused about how great it is that China can change policy and turn on a dime with their form of government.
Of course, they do so by bulldozing human rights and actual humans.

These people are so incredibly dangerous

Al Miller
January 1, 2022 10:12 am

The call to authoritarianism will be the battle call

January 1, 2022 11:22 am

Milton Friedman maybe dead but he had a few things to say on this topic, it’s actually not a very new idea:

“Nothing is as permanent as a temporary government program.”

“Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.”

“Where in the world do you find these Angels to organize society for us?”

skiman
January 1, 2022 1:10 pm

Havent read all comments so not sure if others have mentioned this; but surely this is what a well thought out and SUPPORTED constitution is supposed to protect against, the tyranny of the majority. Democracy means many things to many people and there are those who use it to their own advantage. A good constitution however must be supported by all sides of a question, regardless of the question. You change that at your peril and if not done justly you lose your soul.

michael hart
January 1, 2022 1:33 pm

“Yet, it is undeniable that nearly all wealthy democratic states have failed to respond adequately to the climate crisis. “

l’m glad this whackjob thinks this is the case.

MarkW
January 1, 2022 1:55 pm

By contrast, various less affluent authoritarian regimes have been successful in implementing stringent climate policies…”  

Care to name any of these imaginary regimes?

MarkMcD
January 1, 2022 3:19 pm

It occurs to me we are letting the scumbags get away with something that we should not.

How about we ‘rebrand’ their civilisation-destroying ‘solutions’ and start calling ‘lockdown’ something a little closer to the truth – ‘Lock-Up’!

Even the Sleepers will awaken once they being to realise we are all being locked UP to fulfill an agenda.

Lockdown makes it sound like we’re being made safe – evidence in vast quantity from around the world proves that’s a lie so how about we start renaming it for what it is – lockups.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkMcD
January 1, 2022 3:39 pm

It was always the sick who were forced to quarantine for a specific period. Now everyone gets quarantined at the whim of some government hack and his trained seal “medical team” … permanently; while being forced to take multiple doses of some kind of experimental treatment, misnamed vaccines. Even the natural immunity from surviving an infection is disregarded, forcing people to risk the side effects from ineffective medication.

Walter Sobchak
January 1, 2022 5:39 pm

The same excuses for every tyrant in history:

It’s The Same Old Song

Brett Nelms
January 1, 2022 6:25 pm

Ill be glad when we can talk about the subject with facts and adults. There is zero evidence of climate change apart from Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall. These same folks seek the separation of Church and state but the desire for the state to control them. What a confused bunch. You would rather a Govt that creates problems (Covid) then controls you through shutdowns and the like.

January 1, 2022 10:35 pm

First question, does the climate need saving? If the answer is no then ignore opinion piece. If the answer is yes, you’ve lost the plot.

Jules Guidry
January 2, 2022 7:59 am

AGW, has never been proven in a credible scientific method to exist, should be immediately cancelled for what it is, a scam.
Research the studies which show there is no study which definitively prove that Man had anything to do with any of the weather(climate) changes at any time. Look for the studies re: volcanoes and how they affect weather patterns. Very interesting.

January 2, 2022 11:11 am

“calling for the dismantling of democracy. The study’s main question, as I see it, is whether we should abandon democracy to save the climate.”

But, as it turns out, saving the climate itself IS an authoritarian néomarxiste global governance tool and not a product of science. Proponents did genuinely think there was
Catastrophic Anthro Global Warming in the offing, (despite its creator being Canadian communist highschool drop-out genius Maurice Strong, inventor of UNFCC, Kyoto Summit, IPCC …) and indeed, they made falsifiable predictions early on: Westside highway under water by 2000, later shifted another few decades to put off falsification which still won’t save the prediction.) Children won’t know what snow is! Big sea level rise, GBR coral death, collapse of Antarctica ice sheets, extinction of polar bears, penguins, caribou, frogs, ….

Their temperature predictions for the first decade of the new millennium proved to be 200 to 300% too high and an 18yr stop in T rise. Goalpost shifters argued that they were only ‘projections’ a change without a difference. The data wroughters set to work to get rid of the 1930s- mid 40s 20th Century T highs, the deep cooling that followed and scuttle the Dreaded Pause.

Tempered by the hammering caused by the Pause and its induced Climate Blues that terminated a number of climate scienctists’ careers, they now fear the possibility that we may have entered a 30yr cooling period and have admitted models are running a way too hot (Gavin and Jim!).

The climate change poppycock is precisely why we need strong democracies and sceptics to be heard. Much put upon sceptics have provided yeoman service to mankind and to science. Climate scientists were relieved of the duty imposed by the scientific method of exercising scepticism in their work by the egregious advice of Dr. Stephen Schneider – his ignominious legacy.

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