Mouse Squeaks at Lion

Guest Opinion by Kip Hansen – 10 December 2021

Some people just seem to have a distorted view of their proper place in the Universe.  In what should have been seen as a joke has been taken seriously by David Vetter a “Senior Contributor” at FORBESNote that the magazine gives a disclaimer that “Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors [like David Vetter] are their own.”

David Vetter is one of the many so-called journalists associated with Columbia University’s climate news cabal: Covering Climate Now.  They trumpet Vetter’s Forbes piece in their weekly newsletter emailed to thousands of activists journalist as “Media responsibility. Leading climate scientist Professor Michael Mann is urging YouTube to take down climate denial and misinformation videos the way it removes Covid-19 misinformation videos. By David Vetter for Forbes…”.  Covering Climate Now provides the opportunity for other news outlets to reproduce these stories across the world.

YouTube Is Serving Up Climate Misinformation. This Top Scientist Says Google Should Ban It

“A leading U.S. climate scientist has called on video sharing platform YouTube to treat climate science denial videos in the same way it treats content containing Covid-19 misinformation—by removing them.”

“On Twitter, Michael E. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said: “Hey @Youtube. It’s good you’re taking down COVID denial videos. Now it’s time for you to remove climate denial videos. They pose an even greater threat to humanity in the long term.”

“Mann wrote the tweet in response to a post from a fellow Twitter user regarding a 2013 video titled “Why Has Global Warming Paused?” featuring William Happer, a professor of physics at Princeton appointed to the National Security Council under the tenure of President Donald Trump, himself an avid climate denier. In the video, Happer, who is not a climate scientist, claims that global warming appeared to have halted in 1998—a claim that subsequent research has disproved and which NOAA has deconstructed in a Q&A.” [ source ]

Now, Michael Mann is certainly a well-known name – but not for any primary advances in his own field. The joke is that Vetter calls Mann a  “leading U.S. climate scientist”.  Mann is a leading voice of Climate Alarmism but, in my opinion,  not really much of a scientist.  The majority of his output is self-promotion and  attacks on other scientists who don’t agree with his brand of radical Climate Alarmism – he attacks anyone who even slightly disagrees with the political statements and solutions promulgated by the IPCC. 

Mann complains that a video featuring William Happer, made in 2013,  is available on YouTube.  Vetter (writing on Forbes) says “Happer, who is not a climate scientist, claims that global warming appeared to have halted in 1998—a claim that subsequent research has disproved and which NOAA has deconstructed in a Q&A”.  A clever piece of obfuscation.  The NOAA “deconstruction”  states explicitly “the slowdown in the rate of average global surface warming that took place from 1998–2012 (relative to the preceding 30 years)  has unequivocally ended.”  Happer, in the video, was speaking in 2013 about that very slowdown acknowledged by NOAA in the supposed deconstruction – information, not misinformation – that neither Mann or Vetter apparently ever actually read, or, in my opinion, prefer to ignore.

Who is Mann accusing of misinformation? 

William Happer:

“…the Cyrus Fogg Bracket Professor of Physics and one of the pioneers in the field of optically polarized atoms, is transferring to emeritus status at the end of this academic year. Will is known for developing rigorous theories to analyze his elegant atomic physics experiments as well as for extensive service to Princeton and the U.S. government. His research has initiated several vibrant fields outside of atomic physics.”

“Will is also known for his extensive government service. Since 1976, he has been a member of JASON, a group of scientists and engineers who advise the federal government on matters of defense, intelligence, energy policy, and other technical problems. While partic­ipating in the 1982 JASON summer study, he proposed to use a thin sodium layer in the upper atmosphere as a source of an artificial guide star to correct the “seeing” distortions in optical telescopes due to the effects of atmospheric turbulence. The sodium layer is excited from the ground with a laser and adaptive optics are used with real-time feed­back to cancel the distortions. Today, most large optical telescopes use such laser guide-star systems. From 1987 to 1990, Will served as chair of the steering committee of JASON.

From 1991 to 1993, Will served in President George H. W. Bush’s administration as the director of energy research in the Department of Energy, where he oversaw a basic research budget of roughly $3 billion. His responsibilities included directing much of the federal funding for high energy and nuclear physics, materials science, magnetic confinement fusion, environmental science, the human genome project, and other areas. More recently, he chaired the National Academy of Sciences’ Panel on Nuclear and Radiological Issues and the National Research Council’s standing committee on improvised explosive devices.”  [ source  .pdf ]

William Happer has been a leading star in the world of practical physics and, when not working for the United States government in various  advisory positions,  such as the director of energy research in the Department of Energy from 1991-1993, has been a professor of physics, now Emeritus, at Princeton.

“The Princeton Department of Physics is often ranked high in national and international rankings. According to US News, Princeton is ranked as No. 3 in Physics.[9] In the World University Rankings 2019, Princeton was ranked as No. 1 in physical sciences.”  [ source ]

Will Happer probably knows more about the physics of the atmosphere and energy transfer through it than any other man alive.  Will Happer joined the U.S. federal government‘s super-elite JASON scientific advisory group in 1976, when Michael E. Mann was 12 years old and just starting junior high school.

Summary:  Michael Mann vs. Will Happer?   – field mouse squeaks at the alpha-male lion of physics.

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Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
December 10, 2021 10:12 pm

It’s pretty obvious that Michael Mann is the Jussie Smollett of climate science. He does the very thing that he accuses others of and expects the compliant media to simply parrot his absurd weather is climate claims. If he’s questioned he acts like an aggrieved party expected the media to carry his water without any investigation or skepticism.

Mr.
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 10, 2021 10:25 pm

Without media connivance Mann would be a skidmark on the highway to scientific progress.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Mr.
December 11, 2021 12:25 am

Hey, c’mon. He is the inventor of “Mike’s Nature Trick.” Where would science be without that?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike McMillan
December 11, 2021 6:29 am

Alarmist Climate Change would be nowhere without Mann’s bastardized Hockey Stick chart. Even though it has been debunked, others have taken its place, so the meme continues.

The only thing that shows we are experiencing unprecedented warming today are the computer-generated, bogus Hockey Stick charts, including the instrument-era portion.

Without these Hockey Stick distortions of the temperature record, there would be no panic over rising temperatures because the actual written temperature record shows it was just as warm in the past as it is today, and this means CO2 is at best, a minor player in determining the atmospheric temperatures.

The Hockey Sticks are all the Alarmists have. And they are all science fiction created in a computer to promote the Human-caused Climate Change narrative. It’s a destructive hoax perpetrated on the world.

People need to be held accountable for this HUGE LIE.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Mr.
December 11, 2021 12:31 am

Or even a skidmark in the underwear!!!

Doug Huffman(@doughuffman)
Reply to  Mr.
December 11, 2021 4:40 am

Aren’t skidmarks found in (not)tidy-whities?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Mr.
December 11, 2021 1:06 pm

Without media connivance Mann would be a skidmark on the highway to scientific progress.

That’s just insulting to skidmarks!

gringojay
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 10, 2021 11:48 pm

One can never be too sure about oneself.

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2hotel9
Reply to  gringojay
December 11, 2021 5:11 am

OK, like that one, shamelessly stealing it.

Philip
Reply to  gringojay
December 11, 2021 10:58 am

Now that’s funny, love it.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 11, 2021 5:11 am

That’s actually a brilliant analogy to climate scientists like Mann and Gleick. I do not doubt that Smollett truly believes that racism is still a pervasive problem in America: it’s just so well hidden that he couldn’t actually point to evidence of that “fact.” So he fabricated the evidence: lying in support of a greater truth.

Likewise, I do not doubt that Peter Gleick truly believes that Heartland Institute is full of scheming villains. But, despite stealing a trove of confidential internal documents intended for their Board of Directors, Gleick couldn’t actually find any evidence of that “fact.” So he forged it.

Likewise, I do not doubt that Mann, Jones, Osborn, Bradley, Hughes, Wigley, etc. truly believe in the so-called climate crisis. But the actual measurements don’t support it: manmade climate change seems to be modest and benign, and rising CO2 levels are highly beneficial for both agriculture and natural ecosystems. Since the measurements disagree with their computer models, the measurements must be wrong, so the CAGW True Believers fudge the data, to support the narrative.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 11, 2021 6:21 am

“It’s pretty obvious that Michael Mann is the Jussie Smollett of climate science.”

I think that’s the perfect description of Mann. He’s sticking to his story regardless of the facts, just like Jussie. This is a common practice among professional liars.

bill Johnston
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 8:01 am

When lies are all you have in your kit, you must go with them.

pouncer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 1:59 pm

So, by the transitive principle, Jussie Smollett is Jerry Sandusky?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  pouncer
December 12, 2021 4:43 am

I think we can safely say Jussie Smollett is a pathological liar. And a racist bigot.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  pouncer
December 12, 2021 5:33 pm

You have a point, pouncer. Jerry Smollett and Jussie Sandusky have the same initials. Mickey
Mann and Mikey Mouse have the same initials, too! And there he is squeaking at the Lion. That transitive principle is powerful stuff. I it makes feel alright to call him Squeaky from now on.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 12, 2021 9:10 am

Or perhaps he is the Gollum of climate science. Hiding in a damp dark cave salivating over his “precious” hokey shtick”, scheming and simpering in the hopes of sometime having a sliver of relevance in polite society. Mickey Mannish is the definition of a failed academic career. When the history of the climate scam is written his abhorrent efforts won’t be worth the few electrons needed to imbed them in the digital index of lies.

RickWill
December 10, 2021 10:30 pm

Happer, who is not a climate scientist,

Probably a good grasp of physics then rather than someone who doesn’t.

alastair gray
Reply to  RickWill
December 10, 2021 11:46 pm

Remember the 97% consensus Blah Blah. The only sort of scientist who can pass a meaningful opinion on the origin and extent of greenhouse gas global warming is an atmospheric molecular spectroscopist. Happer is one. Mann and his sheepish cohorts who bleat consensus, is not.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 2:46 am

Anyone who thinks tree rings can be a thermometer is an idiot. It’s comparable to reading the entrails of a chicken.

alastair gray
Reply to  RickWill
December 11, 2021 2:04 am

When NASA wanted a clear analysis of the Challenger disaster they appointed Dick Feunman (a very distinguished theoretical physicist) to chair the enquiry. When the Biologists were stuck in figuring out the structure of DNA Physicist James Crick with a background in radar stepped up to the base and with Watson did the job. The point is that a polymath-ish top level physicist beats a merely descriptive scientist any time, and yes Mann is a knuckle dragging pygmy compared to Will Happer. A hockey stick and shonky statistics do not cut the mustard

alastair gray
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 2:19 am

Sorry Francis Crick

Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 3:11 am

Not to mention Dick Feynman

Mark BLR
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 5:47 am

When NASA wanted a clear analysis of the Challenger disaster they appointed Dick Fe[y]nman (a very distinguished theoretical physicist) to chair the enquiry.

1) Bill Rogers was the chairman, not Richard Feynman.

2) Some of Richard Feynman’s discoveries had to be added as “Appendix F” to the main report (after overcoming strong resistance from some other commission members).

3) In addition to (severe) criticism of NASA’s management, and their lack of communication with the “grunt / low-level” engineers, that Appendix contained what became the most widely quoted phrase of the entire report :
“For a successful technology reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.”

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ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Mark BLR
December 11, 2021 12:30 pm

Minority Report.

Feynman is the man. Physics trumps tree rings every time. Physics trumps CliSci too.

TonyG
Reply to  Mark BLR
December 12, 2021 12:11 pm

If you want to read about Feynman’s “adventures” on the Challenger commission pick up his book “What do you care what other people think?”

Mark BLR
Reply to  TonyG
December 13, 2021 4:42 am

Unlucky in your assumptions there !

Reading the titles in order from part of the “popular science” section of my book shelves :
“Genius : Richard Feynman and modern physics”, James Gleick
“The pleasure of finding things out”, Richard P. Feynman
“QED : The strange theory of light and matter”, Richard P. Feynman
“The character of physical law”, Richard P. Feynman
“Feynman’s lost lecture”, David L. Goodstein and Judith R. Goodstein
“Surely you’re joking, Mr. Feynman”, Richard P. Feynman
“What do you care what other people think ?”, Richard P. Feynman
“The Feynman processor”, Gerard J. Milburn

Note that on a different shelf I also have the “3 red books” that make up Volumes I, II and III of “The Feynman lectures on physics”.
Still re-read those every 3 to 5 years or so …

PaulH
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 7:25 am

For anyone interested in Richard Feynman’s involvement in the Challenger investigation, I would recommend his book “What Do You Care What Other People Think?”: Further Adventures of a Curious Character”. The first few chapters are some of his personal anecdotes. For the rest of the book, he describes in detail his research and analysis. 

TonyG
Reply to  PaulH
December 12, 2021 12:12 pm

Oops, posted before I saw your comment PaulH 🙂

Rick C
Reply to  RickWill
December 11, 2021 6:23 pm

Not only is Mann not a climatologist (his degrees are in physics and geology) he’s not even a dendrochronologist. And while he may have an undergrad degree in math, McKitrick and MacIntyre demonstrated his statistical training is lousy.

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Doug D
December 10, 2021 10:50 pm

I quit reading at “leading climate scientist MM “

This man is a science whore selling his status lot the highest bidder … He has made a mockery of science and I can not and will not ever give him the title “scientist”

Rory Forbes
December 10, 2021 11:18 pm

Mann’s only claim to fame is his hockey stick, without which he’d be a nobody. The only reason he sill has a following is; his fraud must be protected to prop up the alarmunist position.

alastair gray
December 10, 2021 11:41 pm

if Mann is “Distinguished Professor” at Penn State I would hate to see a mediocre one

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 1:49 am

Only outsiders can distinguish the difference with a real scientist.

Joao Martins
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 4:21 am

One good reason for not studying there.

Correction: One sufficient single reason for not studying there.

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Mike
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 4:49 pm

”distinguished”

adjective

  1. very successful, (at bullshit and misinformation and disinformation) authoritative,(in meaningless nonsense) and commanding great respect.(from certain sections of the media)
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roaddog
Reply to  alastair gray
December 11, 2021 11:57 pm

In the same sense, Sandusky was a “Distinguished Coach.”

Joe Gordon
December 10, 2021 11:48 pm

The bigger the failures in Mann-style modeling, the louder the call to Facebook’s blue-shirts. Unfortunately, they will listen. Pretty soon, even the egregious stuff like changing the climate record will be covered up.

We see how it’s done in China. But the average Chinese citizen does not. That is where we’re headed.

bonbon
Reply to  Joe Gordon
December 11, 2021 4:05 am

We were headed to Glasgow. China does not take that kind of Climate Olympics seriously, boycotted it.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 11, 2021 10:15 am

What we see today would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Our children are thoroughly indoctrinated and more than half openly support socialism.

I don’t have a hockey-stick diagram showing how quickly we’re moving toward a Chinese-style dictatorship, but I worry about it. I hope I’m wrong.

roaddog
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 11, 2021 11:58 pm

Social Media’s virtual disappearance of dissenters should not be dismissed.

MARTIN BRUMBY
December 11, 2021 12:32 am

We need to be concerned. After all, that “distinguished scientist” Mann has shown that burning fossil fuels makes some lake deposits invert themselves! And has ensured that a single tree, just one tree in the Yamal peninsula, is so clever that it rules the entire world of trees!
Then the effect of CO2 on computer programs makes lists of telephone numbers when graphed, shoot up to mimic a hokey stick!
And this Nobel Prize winner gave the “Scientific Community” clear guidance in how best to disappear inconvenient data that, funded by Big Oil, had naughtily gone off in quite the wrong direction!

It can only be right that this Mann-Genius gets to decide what us peasants are allowed to see, when he’s lurking behind his magic curtain!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 11, 2021 7:37 am

Remember Tom Wigley’s email re Mann released in Climategate

“I have just read the M&M stuff critising MBH. A lot of it seems valid to me. At the very least MBH is a very sloppy piece of work…an opinion I have held for some time”

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Dave Andrews
December 11, 2021 8:39 am

That’s just it. It wasn’t sloppy, it was calculated.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 12, 2021 5:00 am

Exactly. It was calculated. Those guys knew what they were doing. “What about the 40’s blip?”, they say to each other.

All these guys knew about the historical temperature record and what it looked like with certain periods in the past being just as warm as today, and they set out to change that perception and make the temperature record appear like today is the hottest time in human history as a means to promote Human-caused Climate Change, and they did all this for political and personal purposes.

Mann and the Hockey Stick Team know there was a Medieval Warm Period, yet they erased it from history using their computers. They knew the Early Twentieth Century was just as warm as today, yet they erased it from official history using their computers.

It’s all deliberate, in an effort to promote the Human-caused Climate Change scam.

And, of course, Mann and the Hockey Stick Team are *still* lying about it.

You can lay all the Climate Change misery you see right at the feet of these Climate Change Charlatans.

St. Peter will have some awkward questions for them. Let’s hope it doesn’t take that long for justice to be applied to these world-class liars.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 11, 2021 8:38 am

And has ensured that a single tree, just one tree in the Yamal peninsula, is so clever that it rules the entire world of trees!”

Amazed that people still get this wrong. Yamal was Briffa. Mann had his US Southwest Bristlecones.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 12, 2021 5:06 am

Yes, Mann just used Briffa’s data and then cut part of it out that didn’t agree with the climate change meme and substituted the bogus instrument-era temperature record Phil Jones created, which was added to the end of Briffa’s data to create the infamous Hockey Stick chart.

Coeur de Lion
December 11, 2021 12:56 am

Don’t forget Mark Steyn’s A Disgrace to the Profession which collected 100 world class scientists to tell us of their scorn for Mann. And do re-read Andrew Montford The Hockey Stick Illusion for a take on Mann’s disgraceful behaviour.

Alastair gray
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
December 11, 2021 2:06 pm

If 97% of scientists agreed that Mann was full of doo-doo would that make any difference to yourview?

December 11, 2021 1:40 am

Happer is a proper scientist. Mann is not a scientist.

fretslider
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
December 11, 2021 1:49 am

Mann is a [dodgy] data entry clerk.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
December 11, 2021 9:11 am

Physics has a sigma 6 predictive accuracy goal. Climate “science” is far short of that…is in fact comparable to economists’ predictions of economic downturns….

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 11, 2021 11:08 am

If they bother at all, climatologists typically only display one sigma.

fretslider
December 11, 2021 1:47 am

The Mann whose initials spell ME

The very definition of a poison dwarf

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 11, 2021 1:48 am

Mann is not even a mouse.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 11, 2021 2:00 am

oh i dunno an annoying pest that cr*ps n ruins everything its around,hides in dark places is rarely seen causes untold damage
reckon it sorta fit him
if Karma is real he could come back as one here I have LOTS of yummy ratbait handy

ozspeaksup
December 11, 2021 1:53 am

like F u overbook youtube n gurgle the truth is what they want it to be at the time
reality is a concept they have trouble with poor dears

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 11, 2021 8:43 am

Did they lockdown punctuation in OZ too? 🙂

rhoda klapp
December 11, 2021 2:14 am

No science can’t be questioned. Imagine if the media was paid or coerced to stick to an official line, wouldn’t that media just love to be able, to be allowed, to suppress any opposition or discussion on the justification of ‘Because we say so?

Joseph Zorzin
December 11, 2021 2:42 am

“Leading climate scientist Professor Michael Mann is urging YouTube to take down climate denial and misinformation videos the way it removes Covid-19 misinformation videos.”

Mann seems like the kind of guy who would have loved working for the Gestapo.

December 11, 2021 3:20 am

Maybe Michael Mann prefers music videos … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs-K_tadveI

DiggerUK
December 11, 2021 3:29 am

The journey from being alarmed by Climate Change, to being very relaxed and accepting of such normality, starts when it starts. All that is needed is to deny there is any danger from such change.
Poor Michael is stuck were he is and can’t go any higher, he’s a prisoner of his own glass ceiling of quack science.

The uphill struggle us Deniers take only leads uphill. There are no chances for the Alarmists to get higher.

That’s sad for them, not us…..Hold comrades, hold…_

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bonbon
December 11, 2021 4:16 am

Mouse?

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Doug Huffman(@doughuffman)
December 11, 2021 4:39 am

Michael ‘The Dick’ Mann wags the dog, or tries.

Tom Halla
December 11, 2021 5:00 am

When his best known work, MBH98, really should have been retracted, Mann is hardly distinguished, except as a fund raiser from eager politicians, who found his hockey stick a useful prop.

Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 5:02 am

From the article: “Leading climate scientist Professor Michael Mann is urging YouTube to take down climate denial and misinformation videos the way it removes Covid-19 misinformation videos.”

Read this book for all you need to know about this “Leading” climate scientist:

A Disgrace to the Profession by Mark Steyn

The short description of Michael Mann is he is a climate change charlatan; a climate change Flim-Flam man.

People should not listen to this “leading” scientist. He has fooled the world into believing CO2 is a danger to humanity.

I see where Michael Mann has over half the young people thinking humanity is doomed due to climate change. Mann’s lies about the climate are the chief driver of all these fears. Mann should be prosecuted, not praised.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-than-half-of-young-people-surveyed-think-humanity-is-doomed-due-to-climate-change-11639160312

Lorne WHITE
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 5:22 am

Mann lost in the Supreme Court of British Columbia.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lorne WHITE
December 12, 2021 5:14 am

He wasn’t being tried for defrauding the world.

He, and his cronies, should be.

2hotel9
December 11, 2021 5:09 am

I agree! Bloobtube should remove every video in which Little Mikee is flapping his piehole.

Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 5:10 am

From the article: “Covering Climate Now provides the opportunity for other news outlets to reproduce these stories across the world.”

And they do. I must see about six or eight climate change alarm articles every day on the newsfeeds. Many of them cover the same scaremongering climate change story, just from a little different angle.

Climate Change Alarm articles are competing with Trump hit pieces for the most number of articles on one subject on the newsfeeds.

roaddog
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 12, 2021 12:02 am

It would be difficult to argue that ignorance is not the new normal.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 12, 2021 5:24 am

Your exposure of the way this climate change propaganda is being perpetrated is much appreciated.

Our climate change oppostion is very well organized, and very well funded.

It’s amazing skeptics can survive this blizzard of propaganda. But we have one secret on the skeptic side: We insist on the climate change truth, and no amount of propaganda is going to change that because we know the difference between the climate change truth and the climate change propaganda.

And we will be happy to inform the world of it. 🙂

The Propagandist’s real problem is they don’t have the Science on their side, even though they claim they do (they lie about a lot of things). They still can’t provide one shred of evidence to show that CO2 is a danger to humanity. After how many decades of trying?

Lorne WHITE
December 11, 2021 5:31 am

From social science comes this Mass Formation understanding/explanation of why & how a Michael Mann continues to have such a large audience:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CRo-ieBEw-8&feature=youtu.be

“Professor Mattias Desmet talks about his work that connects past historical episodes of what is called “Mass Formation” (aka Mass Psychosis) and current events. The risks are as grave as they come. Unless a few brave and courageous people are willing to stand up and say “I don’t agree!” history suggests that we will end up with a fully totalitarian outcome.

“That is a dark path. It inevitably leads to mass casualties and atrocities. Eventually all totalitarian systems end in their own destruction.

“My position is “it doesn’t have to be this way.” We can do better. Let’s avoid a future of atrocities and the complete destruction of our way of life. Unfortunately, those caught up in the Mass Formation event cannot see the larger or wider implications of their actions. They are very much like a hypnotized person with their field of view narrowed down to a singular threat or risk they have been told is the one-and-only threat they must conquer.

“So all of their attention goes there. It focusses down. Nothing else matters. Eventually they transfer their anger and rage at that enemy – which is Covid today – upon a more relatable a nearby object. Perhaps their neighbor. Perhaps the unvaccinated. Perhaps immigrants who are stealing their jobs, or those who aren’t taking Climate Change seriously enough.

“With that transference, the path has been laid to re-trod some of the most awful and inhumane periods of history. We’re there again and our own integrity demands that we do what we can to avoid going any further down that path.

“In this episode Mattias tells us what can be done. We must never resort to violence. We must be courageous and speak up. We must hold everyone with compassion. But most of all, we must speak up.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lorne WHITE
December 12, 2021 5:29 am

“Perhaps immigrants who are stealing their jobs”

I’m not sure this applies anymore, what with 11 million jobs in the U.S. currently going unfilled.

This is what happens when radical Democrats use taxpayer money to pay people to stay home and not work.

Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 5:34 am

From the article: “Happer, who is not a climate scientist,

Happer is an expert on atmospheric gases. I think that qualifies him as a climate scientist.

Dr. Happer is responsible for all our huge, Earth-bound telescope’s abilities to see the stars much better using lasers to determine the state of the atmosphere above the telescopes and then compensating for the moving atmosphere to give a clearer view of the heavens. Disparaging a man of this caliber is a huge injustice. Climate Change Charlatans have no shame, and the truth is not in them.

From the article: [Happer] claims that global warming appeared to have halted in 1998—a claim that subsequent research has disproved and which NOAA has deconstructed in a Q&A.”

Well, the current temperatures are 0.6C cooler than 1998. Maybe Happer was on to something.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 11:23 am

In the video, Happer, who is not a climate scientist, claims that global warming appeared to have halted in 1998 …

It is arrogant and misleading to suggest that Happer is not a “climate scientist” and that Mann is.

“Dr. Michael E. Mann received his undergraduate degrees in Physics and Applied Math from the University of California at Berkeley, an M.S. degree in Physics from Yale University, and a Ph.D. in Geology & Geophysics from Yale University.”
http://www.met.psu.edu/people/mem45

Were it not for his present academic title, one would not guess from his degrees that he has any particular expertise in climatology, let alone more than Happer.

John Mauer
December 11, 2021 5:55 am

Relative Potency of Greenhouse Molecules, W. A. van Wijngaarden and W. Happer
https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.16465v1

Dependence of Earth’s Thermal Radiation on Five Most Abundant Greenhouse Gases,
W. A. van Wijngaarden and W. Happer
https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.03098

Uncertainty in Climate Science: Not Cause for Inaction, Juan M. Restrepo, Michael E. Mannhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2108.08781

Physics vs Statistics of non-unique and non-ergodic models

Michael E Mann defamed Will Happer.

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Bruce Cobb
December 11, 2021 6:09 am

Since lies are his specialty (the bigger the better), Micky Mann is a Lieentist.

Micky Mann he’s such a liar
So many lies his pants are on fire
Hey Micky! Hey Micky!

Mark BLR
December 11, 2021 6:11 am

Now it’s time for you to remove climate denial videos.

Which, if any, of the following options indicates a “scientific” approach to opinions that differ from your own ?

1) Produce a thoughtful and well-reasoned “rebuttal” or “(thorough) debunking” of the video (/ blog post / newspaper article) you disagree with.
See also : “Fisking”.

2) Produce a list of references (preferably with links) to a series of peer-reviewed scientific papers that provide either direct contradictions and/or concrete counter-examples to the specific issues you most object to.

3) Call for :
– the video (/ blog post / article) to be summarily deleted … with no additional discussion or analysis
– the author(s) to be fired by (/ lose tenure from) their current employer(s)
– the author(s) to be “blacklisted / blackballed” by all potential future employers
– the author(s) to be “shunned” by society in general

– – – – –

Disclaimer : I am not now, and nor have I ever been, a (practising / professional) scientist, but I do have a STEM degree.

Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 6:19 am

From the article: “Will Happer probably knows more about the physics of the atmosphere and energy transfer through it than any other man alive.”

Thanks for that wonderful defense of Dr. Happer.

Olen
December 11, 2021 8:01 am

It seems to me that opposition to his views is not breaking any of the Ten Commandments. If he wants to silence others how can we believe anything he says.

stinkerp
December 11, 2021 8:18 am

Ironic: no one does climate science denial better than Michael Mann.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  stinkerp
December 11, 2021 11:25 am

Mickey Mouth
(That is “Mouse” with a lisp.)

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Eda Rose-Lawson
December 11, 2021 8:58 am

Professor Mann and those that agree with him has every opportunity to argue his corner with those who disagree with him by using these columns and others like it. Genuine scientists and those with opposing viewpoints can register their differences freely here, and they will get well considered alternative responses for all to ponder and come up with a wide selection of conclusions. Yet Mann, who chooses never to respond to his critics through these columns and use the art of persuasion, only tries to argue his point by demanding that those who disagree with him should not be listened to. Why I wonder does he not see that open argument is by far the better way to get his point across rather than getting upset that the World does not accept without question what he has singularly been advocating over the past 20 years?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eda Rose-Lawson
December 12, 2021 6:25 am

Michael Mann can’t defend his position. The National Academy of Sciences has said Mann’s Hockey Stick temperature chart is science fiction.

Skeptics would love it if Michael Mann or any of his cronies were to come here and try to defend their positions.

If Mann of any of them had any evidence for their postions, they would be here every day scolding the skeptics. Of course, if they had evidence, there wouldn’t be any rational skeptics of climate change left.

Currently, there are plenty of climate change skeptics. What does that tell you? Hint: No Evidence.

DrPaul
December 11, 2021 9:07 am

The term “climate scientist” is meaningless. Climate is very multidisciplinary including atmospheric science, hydro dynamics, economics, physics, chemistry, geology, biology, oceonography, and on and on. Meanwhile, even a five year old can refute an expert’s theory if the expert’s conclusion depends on 2+2=5.

Carlo, Monte
December 11, 2021 9:32 am

Mickey Mann outs himself as a NAZ!, am I surprised?

richard
December 11, 2021 9:53 am

All this certainly helps people move to other platforms so go ahead.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  richard
December 12, 2021 6:34 am

Good point! Alternatives are good. Alarmists’ monopolies are going away.

Authoritarians don’t like others having freedom of speech. They try to squelch free speech at every opportunity, because free speech exposes lies, and authoritarians lie a lot. They don’t like being exposed as liars.

Alternatives allow lies to continue to be exposed.

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Doonman
December 11, 2021 10:11 am

A leading U.S. climate scientist has called on video sharing platform YouTube to treat climate science denial videos in the same way it treats content containing Covid-19 misinformation—by removing them.

Calling Michael Mann a “Leading Scientist” is proof that science has nothing to do with climatology.

Scientists use the scientific method to determine if hypothesis can be falsified. End of function.

There is no “leading” involved. When scientists lead something, its an agenda they are promoting which has nothing to do with science.

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roaddog
December 11, 2021 11:53 pm

There is a 97% consensus of real climate scientists that Michael Lying Mann is a disgrace to the profession.

trueblueandwhitemeteo
December 12, 2021 12:18 pm

This from a man who falsely claimed to be a Nobel Laureate. I think I can safely speak for many, many Penn State meteo grads when I say “MM, you should get your facist arse out of Happy Valley ASAP!”

TallDave
December 13, 2021 8:24 am

“William Happer has been a leading star in the world of practical physics”

aha!

so you openly admit he’s completely out of his depth when discussing climate change, which is firmly rooted in impractical physics

at any rate, as with global cooling, by 2050 studies will prove Happer was just a spurious artifact of time of day bias and does not actually exist, and the YouTube record should reflect that as well

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