Wind Power Health Effects (latest from Scientific Reports)

Reposted from MasterResource

By Robert Bradley Jr. — October 28, 2021

“Exposure to [low frequency noise] from wind turbines results in headaches, difficulty concentrating, irritability, fatigue, dizziness, tinnitus, aural pain sleep disturbances, and annoyance. Clinically, exposure … may cause increased risk of epilepsy, cardiovascular effects, and coronary artery disease.”

“… it is recommended that the government set regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residences, for houses near wind turbines to be equipped with airtight windows for sound insulation, and for residents living in close proximity to wind turbines to have their windows closed most of the time to reduce LFN transmission.”

Once ridiculed, the negative health effects of industrial wind turbines on nearby residents has entered the mainstream. The World Health Organization stated in 2018 “strong evidence that noise is one of the top environmental hazards to both physical and mental health and well-being in the European Region.” Wind turbines, do not start your engines.

In the U.S., Robert Bryce noted:

Since 2015, nearly 300 government entities from Vermont to Hawaii have moved to reject or restrict wind projects. Local governments are implementing a panoply of regulations to restrict the growth of wind projects including strict limits on noise, minimum setback distances, and even seeking licenses for heliports. A thorough review of the studies [has] documented the deleterious health impacts of noise from wind turbines.

MasterResource has updated the wind health issue by interviewing experts (Stephen Cooper) and sharing new research from the expert literature (Nature).

Last month, Scientific Reports published Effects of low-frequency noise from wind turbines on heart rate variability in healthy individuals by Chun-Hsiang Chiu, Shih-Chun Candice Lung, Nathan Chen, Jing-Shiang Hwang, and Ming-Chien Mark Tsou. This report is summarized below in its own words (footnotes omitted).

Abstract

Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018.

A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines.

Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection.

Wind energy is used around the world as a source of clean energy. However, wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN) in the range of 20–200 Hz. As many community complaints have centered around the LFN from wind turbines, it is important to evaluate the health impacts of LFN on residents near wind farms.

Introduction

LFN exposure has been found to cause a variety of health conditions. Exposure to LFN from wind turbines results in headaches, difficulty concentrating, irritability, fatigue, dizziness, tinnitus, aural pain sleep disturbances, and annoyance. Clinically, exposure to LFN from wind turbines may cause increased risk of epilepsy, cardiovascular effects, and coronary artery disease.

It was also found that exposure to noise (including LFN) may have an impact on heart rate variability (HRV). HRV is the variation over time of the period between adjacent heartbeats, which is an indicator of the activities of the autonomic nervous system, consisting of the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) and parasympathetic nervous system (PNS). Autonomic imbalance usually represents a hyperactive SNS and a hypoactive PNS and results in reduced HRV.

An autonomic imbalance may increase the morbidity and mortality of cardiovascular diseases. A review paper indicated that road traffic noise may overactivate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenocortical axis (HPA) and sympathetic-adrenal-medullar axis (SAM), increase the blood pressure and reduce HRV, and finally affect the cardiovascular system.

A recent study analyzing 658 measurements of HRV obtained from 10 healthy males (18–40 years old) indicated reductions in HRV due to environmental LFN exposure. However, few studies have specifically examined the effect of LFN from wind turbines on HRV in healthy individuals; thus, this was the aim of this study.

In view of the adverse health impacts of noise exposure, many countries and international organizations have established regulations for noise control. These regulations are set for noise in the full spectrum of human hearing (20–20 k Hz). The Ministry of Environment of Finland set limits for wind farm noise of 45 dB (LAeq) during the day and 40 dB (LAeq) during the night. In the United Kingdom, the fixed limit for turbine noise is 40 dB (LAeq) for the daytime and 43 dB (LAeq) for the nighttime.

In the United States, noise levels of ≤ 55 dB (LAeq) are set for outdoors in residential areas, farms, and other outdoor areas as requisites for public health protection, and levels of 45 dB are set for indoor residential areas, hospitals, and schools.

In addition to the full noise spectrum, the Taiwan Environmental Protection Administration (EPA) also established regulations for LFN to avoid impacts on residents, since wind farms have been set up very close to residential communities. The LFN standards for wind turbines in the daytime (7 a.m.–7 p.m.) and evening (7 p.m.–10 p.m.) are 39 dB (LAeq) for environments requiring tranquility such as residential areas, 44 dB (LAeq) for mixed residential and commercial/industrial areas, and 47 dB (LAeq) for industrial areas; those at nighttime (10 p.m.–7 a.m.) are 36, 36, 41, and 44 dB (LAeq), respectively.

This study assessed the LFN in the indoor environments of households near wind turbines to evaluate whether the LFN levels meet the Taiwan EPA standards.

One of the most important factors influencing residential noise exposure from wind turbines is the distance of the wind turbine from the observer. For example, at a distance of 120–500 m, the measured turbine noise levels decreased by 3–5 dB (LAeq), while at a distance of 1000 m the noise was reduced by 6–7 dB (LAeq).

Hansen et al. reported variations in indoor LFN levels (15–45 dB (LAeq)) for two households (houses made of sandstone/concrete/iron or bricks with windows remaining closed or half open) at different distances from wind turbines. This study assessed the indoor/outdoor differences in LFN exposure in several households located at varying distances from wind turbines.

Our main focus was on the indoor LFN levels in several recruited households; we did not intend to conduct a comprehensive evaluation of the influential factors. These households serve the purpose of demonstrating the potential impacts of influential factors.

Besides distance from turbines, building materials also affect indoor LFN exposure. This work assessed the indoor LFN levels for several recruited households with different building materials and open/closed windows to illustrate their potential impacts. It is known that materials have different sound absorption coefficients.

The overall sound pressure level and spectrum of external noise change when transmitted to the interior of a building. Mid- and high-frequency noises are selectively attenuated by roofs and walls, causing the building structure to function like an LFN pass filter. Outdoor to indoor noise reduction generally decreases with frequency, which is related to housing construction and room dimensions.

Factors contributing to indoor/outdoor noise reduction also include structural resonances, room modes, and coupling between the air volume inside the residence and the stiffness of the walls, roofs, and ceilings. It is known that the appropriate choice of construction materials and designs can contribute to LFN exposure reduction for residents. Hence, these factors are not evaluated comprehensively in this study.

Taiwan is a small and highly populated island. Wind farms have been set up near residential communities, affecting the day-to-day lives of the residents. The hypothesis of this study is that LFN from wind turbines might affect HRV of residents. In order to verify the hypothesis of this study, we defined two objectives: to evaluate the LFN and HRV relationship with an intervention design and to assesses the actual LFN exposure of the community residents.

This investigation is the first in Asia examining the impact of LFN from wind turbines on the HRV of healthy residents. In addition, the variations in LFN exposure inside several residences constructed of different building materials are examined. The findings of this study would serve as a useful reference for Asian countries planning to launch or promote wind power generation.

Conclusion

LFN from wind turbines is potentially annoying to residents living nearby and affects human health. This study assessed the response of HRV indicators (SDNN and LF/HF) to LFN exposure and evaluated the LFN exposure inside households located near wind turbines. The results showed the association of changes in HRV with LFN exposure and an SDNN reduction of 0.43% with an increase of 1 dB (LAeq) in LFN. The households’ average LFN levels were 34.8 ± 6.9 and 43.4 ± 5.7 dB for indoors and outdoors, respectively.

In addition, the average indoor LFN levels at nighttime in four of the seven households monitored were above 30 dB (LAeq), the threshold for good sleep quality. Taiwan has a high population density, and wind farms have been set up near residential communities.

In view of the adverse health impacts of exposure to turbine-generated LFN, it is recommended that the government set regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residences, for houses near wind turbines to be equipped with airtight windows for sound insulation, and for residents living in close proximity to wind turbines to have their windows closed most of the time to reduce LFN transmission.

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October 29, 2021 6:36 am

We can’t have fossil fuels because of climate.
We can’t have nuclear because of radioactive hybrid terror pigs

https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/06/radioactive_hybrid_terror_pigs_fan_art

I guess we’re stuck with wind and solar power – depending on the climate of course

But we can all dig at the end of the rainbow to find our Darwin prize

Ron Long
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
October 29, 2021 7:53 am

Hatter, glad to see you are onboard with Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has just stated that anyone against the Climate Change idea is “Stupid or Liars’). I’m guessing you might add a “sarc” tag so the Terminator doesn’t terminate you. I have to go now, I will consult with my wife to see if I’m stupid or a liar.

HotScot
October 29, 2021 6:40 am

Will they provide Iron Man suits for birds, insects and bats?

n.n
Reply to  HotScot
October 29, 2021 8:39 am

Birds, bats, and bugs are negotiable asset classes, which when applicable, when necessary, when convenient, are deemed to be “burdens”, and therefore expendable, recyclable. Bubbies and babies, too.

aussiecol
Reply to  n.n
October 29, 2021 1:49 pm

LFN concerns have been around for quite a while, but conveniently gets swept under the carpet, along with the birds, bats and insects. Marine species will be next.

October 29, 2021 6:43 am

Windmills generate not just LFN but actual subsonic pressure waves – can’t really call them sound – infrasound maybe – and ground vibrations similar to earth tremors.

There is strong evidence that this range of frequencies cannot by ignored and may in fact be pretty deleterious to health. Arguments like this have been avoided in the UK by moving the toy windmills out to sea where they may or may not be confusing cetaceans into beaching themselves.

The problem is that this range of frequencies doesn’t really occur in the natural world – outside of earthquakes, thunderstorms and volcanoes – and there is no real data on what effect they have – except as a generalized low level panic reaction as for earthquakes/volcanoes/thunderstorms.

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Randle Dewees
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 29, 2021 8:18 am

Well, around here (southern Kali) you have a fair percentage of jerks that have sub-sonic woofers in their cars shaking the ground, I find it very annoying. Happily, it seems a fading fad. Maybe the practitioners are tired of having their cars keyed.

Reply to  Randle Dewees
October 29, 2021 10:08 am

Now I’ve got a dog

With a head that nods

In the back window of my car

When I pull away

You know I leave

Skid marks on the tar

I got an 8 track stereo cassette

And speakers in every door

And sometimes I drive around the town at night

Calling: “Good buddy, ten four ten four”

Dangling from the rear view mirror

Is a small pair of rugby boots

My sheepskin covers stop me sweating

When I wear my Safari Suits

And I got Lime Green fluff on the dashboard

And a reclining drivers seat

You know sometimes I tap my fingers on the roof

Just to let you know I got the beat…

David Kramer: “Bellville Blues” S Africa 1980.
I am afraid it’s not a fading fad….

AndyHce
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 29, 2021 5:43 pm

I think it is mainly a form of aggression by jerks too timid to use guns.

n.n
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 29, 2021 9:03 am

Wind turbines are suspected of emitting sympathetic waves that have a cumulative disruptive, even destructive effect. The photovoltaic panels are suspected of increasing local albedo over the blighted area, and are viable first-order anthropogenic forcings of both the Greenhouse and blacktop effect (BTE).

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 29, 2021 12:07 pm

Yes Leo, you’ve got it.
As we see throughout the article/story all they’re measuring is down to 20Hz – the generally accepted lower limit of what humans can (conventionally) hear

The much lower frequency pressure variations (thumps) caused by the blades passing their own tower will effect people’s ears – classically inside aircraft when they come in to land. You ‘pop’ your ears
On top of which is how multiple windmills interact with each other

But the windmills will be requiring to to pop your ears several times per second even before your (is it your) Inner ear is responsible for your balance.
Those endless and random pressure changes will drive you nuts by making you think you’re falling over all the time when you’re not

The heart rate variability is a much higher frequency thing and is well noted amongst ‘folks who dance’
Especially in front of very big rigs putting out the modern day equivalent of what we learned 50,000+ years ago. Bouncing around the campfire of an evening, actually really socialising and not trashing every part of our beings with alcohol, TV and computer games
i.e. Drum Music, pumping away at typically between 120 and 125 beats per minute
Our heart-rate synchronises to the beat of the drum.
It is built into us. It is genetic and generally best & most notably expressed in ‘People Of Colour of African Origin’
They have an inbuilt, genetic, sense of rhythm.
But we all have it to greater or lesser degree

So what happens (this is of course My Theory and I’m just plain crazy) is that folks living in the vicinity ## of windmills experience their hearts *trying* to synchronise with the ‘beat’ of the windmills

But but but, if there are multiple windmills within range and depending on terrain, wind speed/direction – the beat that the heart is trying to synchronise is ‘all over the place

‘Dancers’ know this. Folks at an EDM rave will be and are acutely aware of what the DJ is doing and if (s)he fouls up a transition between one track and the next (misses a beat) everybody in the crowd instantly feels and knows it.

Yes, you do feel it. You don’t hear it although you think you do.

It literally does ‘come from your heart’, where it was expecting a beat to arrive and if it doesn’t arrive bang-on-time – your heart flutters for that instant.
It feels like being punched in fact.
..

They’re simultaneously close to solving it but, at the same time, millions of miles away.
Why. Because folks who go to raves and do EDM are hedonistic drug abusing wastrels with nothing to offer the world and everybody knows that.
Again I say, They could not be more wrong
Go met them and find out. Learn to dance.

## Vicinity could a very very long way away. Those long wavelength signals behave like most any long wavelength signal and ‘hug’ the ground. The low level bump bump of an ongoing rave can be heard miles and miles away.

Many folks believe that Ultra Low Frequency ground hugging sound helps migrating birds to navigate.
As prevailing (and otherwise) winds blow over whatever landscape, it will create some very very long wavelength sound waves – their strength, frequency and amplitude will depend on The Landscape
Migrating birds ‘learn’ the sound of their landscapes, how each part makes a different sound. Once they know that, they can sensibly navigate over epic distances.
IOW: They build and maintain an acoustic map inside their heads

Would it not be= A Very Useful Skill for ‘hunters’ to possess
Is that why ‘some of us‘ are more adept at map reading than others, especially those of us who would classically have ‘done the hunting’

Do we have a similar sense – are windmills impacting that by suggesting we are ‘navigating’ or ‘on the move‘ when we know we are actually crashed out on sofa trying to watch TV. Such can be nothing less than disorienting, to say the least.

Mmmmm, what have I just said.
Which is more destructive to our mental health, the TV or the long wavelength (fake) Landscape Sounds coming off windmills?

EDM= Electronic Dance Music

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AndyHce
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 29, 2021 5:40 pm

There is about 50 years of data on”what effect they have” but all the published stuff is ignored (never acknowledge, never challenged, never dismissed), not only by rent seekers but by essentially everyone who does on-going research. One “effect” is to cause abnormal tissue growth in two types of connective tissue which exists throughout the body (and which changes have multiple detrimental consequences). This has been measured in human and animal victims and replicated with animals under controlled conditions. That isn’t just about wind turbines but covers many industrial sources.

AND, the article is all in reference to the dBA scale measurements, which conveniently ignores that the low frequency levels, whose main damage depends on energy, not audibility, are very much higher than that scale ( and instruments using it) measure.

AND, while the construction stuff mentioned can reduce audibility, it allows only very minor control over the energy level of very low frequencies. Due to resonance of materials and construction geometry, something very hard to control in regard to LFN and infra sound, the levels can be much higher inside a building than outside – with no ability of sound insulation to make any difference. Normal sound insulation (i.e not thicker than the many meter wave length of infra sound) is transparent to infra sound.

The high energy infra sound pulses have been detected up to 20 km from the wind turbines. As far as I know there is little or no data available on what levels of chronic exposure, if any, are safe (i.e. will not produce tissue changes).

TonyG
Reply to  AndyHce
October 30, 2021 7:21 am

“There is about 50 years of data on”what effect they have” but all the published stuff is ignored”

Or simply dismissed as not real, as demonstrated by our resident troll.

AndyHce
Reply to  TonyG
October 31, 2021 12:24 pm

never actually dismissed, as far as anything I’ve ever seen. Just ignored, not even mentioned, by almost everyone, anti-wind turbine researchers included.

TonyG
Reply to  AndyHce
October 31, 2021 7:45 pm

I get what you mean Andy and I agree 99% of the time. But “This is just BS” would be the sort of dismissal I refer to. Those times they DO even acknowledge it, that’s the response.

Richard Page
October 29, 2021 6:44 am

After acknowledging the effects of LFN on land and human habitation, we should also start looking at the offshore wind LFN effects on marine life. There have been mysterious incidents over the last few years of whales beaching themselves or washing up dead near to offshore wind installations and just last week there were articles in many UK papers detailing a massive beaching event of crabs, lobsters, shellfish and razorbills – mostly dead and sometimes piled waist deep in the area of the UK’s largest offshore wind farm and the nearby one at Redcar. I do not believe it is a coincidence: there are reports that although some marine life treat the installations as artificial reefs, some others will avoid the whole area due to the operating noise.

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H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Richard Page
October 29, 2021 7:35 am

Strandings have long been blamed on human emitted sounds despite the fact that they have historically been common before these sounds. I’m not up on the literature so no denying here, only the point that when you get more whales you get more mortality. There has been a tendency to blame humans 100% on events, as in the lawsuit which failed about whooping cranes during a drought. This view is probably what gave rise to the “Precautionary Principle.”

I watched windmill parts offloaded on the Texas coast and was a several day victim of their failure when the wind died. The root cause was probably the failure of the reference freeze used for minimum temperatures only going back a couple of decades and of course a number of other problems. I also am old enough to remember their failure two generations ago which never got this far or into the ocean. Once I helped dissect a small stranded whale, full of nematodes which have been implicated in disorientation. 

Coach Springer
Reply to  Richard Page
October 29, 2021 8:29 am

This is one of those things that might spook the eco-loons of California regardless of veracity. To be honest, veracity isn’t their strong suit.

Vincent
October 29, 2021 6:48 am

I don’t think it’s a good idea to close windows most of the time, to reduce the noise from windmills. CO2 levels could rise significantly, depending on how many people are in the house. We breathe out about 100 times the amount of CO2 that we breathe in.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Vincent
October 29, 2021 11:32 am

Tell that to submarines’ crew! Maybe they would agree, they don’t open their windows!

Vincent
Reply to  Mike Lowe
October 29, 2021 3:46 pm

I’m sure that submarine crews understand the situation. A quick Google search revealed the following.

“Oxygen in submarines is produced by putting sea water through a process of electrolysis. Submarines typically have a couple of big oxygen tanks as well, used to quickly raise oxygen concentration if the system fails. … Waste CO2 is released into the sea whenever it’s possible.”

AndyHce
Reply to  Vincent
October 29, 2021 5:52 pm

Research by the navy and by NASA have been unable to find detrimental effects with CO2 levels much higher than anyone is likely to get in a house.

Art Slartibartfast
October 29, 2021 6:50 am

A bigger issue than LFN is infrasound, the sound below 20 Hz. Even though you do not hear it, it has adverse health effects and is almost impossible to insulate against.

TheLastDemocrat
October 29, 2021 6:54 am

Heart rate variability is most likely the strongest general measure of physiological health that we have. Better than BP, BMI, or cholesterol levels.

Among hospital admitted people with chronic illnesses, it is very predictive of who will be alive after 5 years. Lots of other prognostic data.

We don’t use it a lot because it is a good bit harder to gather than BP, BMI, or blood-sample-based measures such as cholesterol level. But we should.

Mainly because health is more a function of aerobic fitness versus BMI. In epidemiological studies from the East, where they do not experience the Western life style as much, being “overweight” does not rpedict mortality nearly as strongly as in the West. The difference is in levels of daily aerobic activity: sweeping the floor, preparing meals, walking places, etc.

So, an association between ambient low frequency noise and HRV is alarming.

However, there are other noted correlates of HRV. Such as SES.

Windmills are most likely placed at or near less-desirable property, where lower-SES people end up living.

Finally: the authors were lazy with the use of causal language. [And the reviewers let this slip past.]

They say: “The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%.”:

Nothing in this observational study was “reduced.”

The R-R intervals were lower (more pathognomi) for the group exposed to more, versus less, noise.

Causal language of “reduced” implies a causal relation that is not warranted by the cross-sectional observational study design.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
October 29, 2021 12:07 pm

Luckily, I have an implanted heart monitor. Maybe I should, with my cardiologist’s concurrence, go spend some quality time near a wind farm and see what is reported.

John Bell
October 29, 2021 7:04 am

They add to “The Hum”

Disputin
October 29, 2021 7:07 am

But but but… Don’t they realise that they’re Saving the Planet?

AndyHce
Reply to  Disputin
October 29, 2021 5:54 pm

If they can kill off enough humans they will have succeeded?

Bruce Cobb
October 29, 2021 7:10 am

Ok so, put “negative health effects” down in the “Con” column for wind power. Done. Wait, what were the “Pros” again? I’m not seeing any.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 30, 2021 2:24 am

Making more room for the naked mole rats by killing off human civilization goes into the pro column for people like Ted Turner and Jane Fonda, who want the Earth to only provide for 500 million people, rather than the 7.5 billion people (probably closer to eight billion, by now) that it already has. It’s strange how they never exactly explain how to do the job on those extraneous seven billion people, those sad sacks that have got to go. Nor do they ever describe exactly who will be selected for removal, nor by whom will the selections be made. Presumably, rich, billionaire magnates will be exempt. Boy-howdy, the Euphemism peddlers are going to have to go into overdrive on this problem and put in some overtime. But I digress. Now where was I? Oh, yes, I remember, added room for the naked mole rat. Which is why the COP-26 mascot this year is a trans-gendered, naked mole rat in a blue dress. Question – is a naked mole rat still a naked mole rat if it’s wearing a dress?

[photo credit – the UK Telegraph (I believe)]

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Dan M
October 29, 2021 7:13 am

How about the LFN affects on marine mammals and other sea life from offshore wind turbines?
We are in a rush to build these things without any environmental impact study on LFN affects. Lawsuit, anyone?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dan M
October 29, 2021 5:30 pm

Yeah, LFN is probably not doing the whales and dolphins much good.

Olen
October 29, 2021 7:18 am

It’s not easy saving the world when there is profit to be made. Those who make the decision and those who invest in wind generating devices don’t have to live near them because they decide where they will be placed and it is not near their homes.

The crime here, besides the abuse of people, is the justification for the turbines is based on a fraud.

Sommer
Reply to  Olen
October 29, 2021 5:23 pm

Why is there such callous disregard for the people being harmed, even from people who are not profiting?

October 29, 2021 7:28 am

Geenies often try to ban circulatuion or new streets, highways because of general noise and LFN and IS, beside other “reasons”, but believe, LFN from windmills are just fine, at least.
Idiocy ^10

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2hotel9
October 29, 2021 7:39 am

Since LFN is real will Faux Joe Xiden give me $450,000?

Abolition Man
Reply to  2hotel9
October 29, 2021 1:30 pm

2hotel9,
You have give proof of non-citizenship first!
At least they’re only going back to the 1970s for eligibility; but maybe you will qualify to receive one of Hunter’s masterworks in the sponsored drawing!

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 29, 2021 5:42 pm

Biden wants to make a big deal out of the kids Trump separated from the adults they were with when they came across the border. This exercise is meant as a slap in the face to Trump and his supporters, and is a further attempt to demonize the Right. No doubt, this gambit will be brought up in future elections as a smear on Trump and his supporters.

If you will recall, when “kids in cages” became a big deal on the Left and with the Leftwing Media, they showed pictures of children behind chain-link fences, and the Left was “outraged”.

But it just so happens those pictures of “kids in cages” were taken in 2014, when Obama and Biden were in office. So Obama and Biden were also separating kids from the adults accompanying them.

Separating kids from adults who are accompanying them is what should be done. The U.S. border patrol doesn’t know if the adult accompanying a child is related to the child or is sex trafficking the child. So to be safe, they separate the kids from the adults, until they can positively indentify the adult..

This was perfectly fine under the Obama-Biden administration, as far as the Left was concerned, but was portrayed as a crime against humanity when Trump continued the practice.

If Biden were to compensate every kid separated from adults at the border, he would have to pay a heck of a lot more people than he is currently thinking about paying. Biden would also have to pay all the kids who *he* separated from adults.

So you know it’s political when only the Trump kids are highlighted.

There is no way the U.S. taxpayer should be paying people who came here illegally. If they suffered, they brought it upon themselves. The adults who put their kids in the hands of traffickers should be arrested and prosecuted for child abuse, not given money.

Border Patrol agents who suffered mental anguish over having to worry about all those kids, should be the ones getting $450,000.00 from the taxpayers.

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2hotel9
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 29, 2021 6:32 pm

I do actually need a “velvet art” piece to cover a nasty water stain on the basement wall by the loading bench. I’ll gladly give him 2 fiddy!

Tim Spence
October 29, 2021 7:43 am

I’m not sure infrasound will register on a decibel meter. Infrasound travels through the ground, foundations, house and cavities. It’s not audible as the name suggests but can induce some harmonic vibrations that can be heard. Might even register on a seismograph.

Reply to  Tim Spence
October 29, 2021 10:23 am

Sesimographs or purpose built noise meters are how you detect it. Example might be a big sheet of steel suspended near a coil and magnet array. Like a guitar pickup.

Or simply a fast acting air pressure sensor

Interesting film

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWNx3OJyuo )

AndyHce
Reply to  Tim Spence
October 29, 2021 5:57 pm

The dBA scale used in all these defective studies doesn’t even register the lower frequencies let along reveal their energy level (i.e, power to do work on your body).

Steve Case
October 29, 2021 7:44 am

http://www.usairnet.com/cgi-bin/launch/code.cgi?state=WI&sta=KMWC

Regarding the accompanying photo, the wind doesn’t blow much at night.
I suppose if the Climate Crusaders exaggerate every little thing, appropriate return fire is justified. I do wonder how much noise these colossal windmills make and how many birds they kill.

Bruce Cobb
October 29, 2021 7:50 am

Sorry, but the purveyors of wind power can’t hear that noise above the din of that ka-ching! sound.

usurbrain(@usurbrain)
October 29, 2021 8:14 am

Not sure how common those house shaking bass speakers are on the younger generation’s cars outside of the US. However, even here in Nebraska I can feel the house shake from vehicles with them driving down the street 3/4 of a mile ( about a KM) away. Some even shake the Pictures hanging on the wall. And, the land between the street and my home is a wooded lot.
A few years ago my wife and I went shopping at an expensive “Boutique.” They Had a Wind Turbine powering their store in the far corner of the parking lot. When I saw it, I immediately thought they are “Virtue Signaling” their clientele. Within 15 minutes of getting inside the store I just had to get out of there. I could physically feel my chest move in rhythm of the blades on the WT. The longer I stayed the more I felt nauseated. It was worse than the vehicles on the street near my home as it was constant and repetitive. We left without buying anything. I think they discovered the problem as they no longer have the WT.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  usurbrain
October 29, 2021 11:25 am

It was worse than the vehicles on the street near my home as it was constant and repetitive.

While these effects are noise in the sense they are unwanted, I would hesitate to use the word for this reason. Noise implies random, disordered sounds over a wide frequency range, which turbine sounds are not.

Coach Springer
October 29, 2021 8:31 am

If it’s good for the environment, put it in Yosemite and Yellowstone and keep it away from our productive areas.

griff
October 29, 2021 8:40 am

? This is a repeat post, isn’t it?

and it was nonsense the first time…

Eric Harpham
Reply to  griff
October 29, 2021 12:19 pm

Griff, google Mariana Alves-Pereira and watch her Ljubianca, May 2019 lecture, about 1 hour long, and then say it is nonsense. If you can see a windmill from your house be worried, very worried; particularly if you have young children

Abolition Man
Reply to  Eric Harpham
October 29, 2021 1:35 pm

Eric,
The grifter welcomes the LFN; in his case he doesn’t have to worry about either brain OR heart damage at all! Ever!

Sommer
Reply to  Eric Harpham
October 29, 2021 5:40 pm

https://livestream.com/itmsstudio/events/8781285
September 12th, 2019.

This is a presentation given by Dr. Mariana Alves-Pereira, at the University of Waterloo, after visiting the homes of some of the residents who are being harmed because their homes are surrounded by clusters of turbines in the largest project in Ontario.

nyolci
Reply to  griff
October 30, 2021 2:01 am

and it was nonsense the first time…

Exactly. They are bending backwards to find something again. The most important problem with wind-power is that the wind doesn’t blow when we want it to and we can’t store mechanic energy in large. These factors can be mitigated in various ways, and wind has an “ecological footprint” (hate this expression) much smaller than solar. (Mitigation techniques: pumped hydro, still great capacity to cover, long range electricity distribution, well within our means, fuel from electricity, water, and CO2, we have to scale it but the technology is existing, etc.)

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  nyolci
October 30, 2021 6:18 am

I didn’t see your counter to the posted article, just your usual handwaving babbling is all you offered.

The paper is in English, I presume you can read English?

nyolci
Reply to  Sunsettommy
October 30, 2021 12:58 pm

The paper is in English, I presume you can read English?

Hey, is there any other mod out there? Please get a shorter leash for tommy, he’s goin ad hom if you don’t look at him!

nyolci
Reply to  Sunsettommy
October 30, 2021 1:04 pm

I didn’t see your counter to the posted article

Don’t have to. These effects are blown out of proportion for propaganda purposes. In most countries, there are already regulations fom minimum distances from residential buildings that are greater than the intervals in the study. The real large scale windfarms are out in the fields and off-shore anyway.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  nyolci
November 1, 2021 2:44 pm

Then you are indeed just handwaving which leaves you with nothing for a counterpoint.

The article remains unchallenged which means you failed……

Drake
Reply to  nyolci
October 30, 2021 10:53 am

I love “all well within our means” which means WE (utility rate payers) must pay for all of these things outside of the development of the actual “wind’ projects since the wind or solar projects could never be profitable without direct subsidies from the government, mandates for utilities to purchase their output FIRST, requirements for utilities to have the backup generator capacity at night when the wind does not blow or blows too hard, etc., and mandates to provide a means to carry teh remote power to where it is needed.

Again driving across western Texas tis week the views of the plains were blighted by fields of bird choppers. I wondered why miles of those nasty eyesores were in a particular location when I saw a coal fired power plant nearby, you know, whose developer built the power lines that connected it to population centers. BTY the coal plant took up what, 100 acres of so, when the wind “farm covered at least 100 square miles, and the roads to the sites and the actual sites themselves must be far over 100 acres in wasted space.

And the coal plant will produce power on a calm cold night, or a stormy cold night, etc, meaning it produces DISPATCHABLE power.

Just sayin, but with nyolci, a waste of time since his ability to display his intentional ignorance is never ending.

Murray
October 29, 2021 8:43 am

OMG earthworms don’t like LFN so organic farming under windmills is hindered.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/oik.08166

Drake
Reply to  Murray
October 30, 2021 10:55 am

When I was a kid I learned to stick 2 metal rods connected to an extension cord into the ground a couple of feet apart to get the worms to come to the surface to collect a bait for fishing. Apparently earthworms are sensitive to many stimuli.

Wade
October 29, 2021 9:09 am

If wind turbines have a negative effect on people, what about the animals that live in the wild? Many animals have better hearing than people, what is this doing to them?

Of course, I already know that to be a “true believer” requires you to be a hypocrite. When doing something that benefits people, the “true believer” will say we need to protect the animals. But when doing something that concentrates wealth and power into the hands of a select few, the “true believer” would kick a kitten and punch a puppy and sleep well at night.

AndyHce
Reply to  Wade
October 29, 2021 6:04 pm

More tha a few farmers have lost many animals.

Vuk
October 29, 2021 9:38 am

This is image of leading edge of wind turbine blade caught in a hail storm. This one will not survive too many storms, once its edge is damaged a rapid erosion will take place and becomes vulnerable even to impact of the rain drops (not to mention grains of sand carried in the wind) since its end tips are moving at speed up to 150 miles/hour

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AndyHce
Reply to  Vuk
October 29, 2021 6:05 pm

Who deserves that more?

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
October 29, 2021 9:51 am

Speaking of winds… the Sun just Broke Wind with its first Earth visible X-class flare of SC25 on 28 October 1530 UTC.
The directly Earth facing AR with the X1 flare launched a CME directly at Earth, and will arrive sometime on 30 October Saturday. This is a fast, dense CME and will bring a strong geomagnetic storm Saturday night to Sunday. Maybe power disruptions for Saturday or Sunday? Could even power up hurricane/TC activity in the Atlantic Basin even though its starting to get late in the A-basin TC season.

Attached is the Lasco C2 image of the CME leaving the Sun yesterday.

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Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 29, 2021 10:03 am

Lasco C3 image of the 28 October 2021 CME several hours later than the one above showing how fast it is moving. There will also be significant aurora activity with the Moon being in a waning crescent phase now.

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Vuk
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 29, 2021 10:06 am

here is the moviecomment image

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Vuk
October 29, 2021 10:17 am

the schadenfreude in me would like to see a significant power grid disruption in Europe have blackouts with the G20 summit on-going and the Glasgow COP starting. The aurora could be spectacular into central Europe Saturday night.

Vuk
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 29, 2021 10:59 am

would be great, so I gave you a +. :}

Abolition Man
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 29, 2021 1:45 pm

Joel,
I don’t think that that is the ‘schadenfeude’ so much as the righteously, indignant warrior within!
I can’t imagine a more fitting response to the Climateriat mutual admiration meeting than a CME-induced blackout; unless they get a few decimeters of that white global warming stuff to go with it!

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n.n
October 29, 2021 10:52 am

From recovery to sequestration, intermittents are ecological hazards, environmental blights, and probable first-order anthropogenic forcings of climate change with minority “benefits” and population deficits.

Robert of Texas
October 29, 2021 11:11 am

Makes me wonder if these low frequency vibrations are damaging structures over time as well.

You sure wouldn’t want these near cities built on ancient lake beds like Mexico City, entire buildings could start sinking (well, sinking faster).

Retired_Engineer_Jim
October 29, 2021 12:04 pm

Hmmm, many Chinese authors documenting human problems with wind turbine. Solar panels are mad in China and wind turbines come from Germany. No, there is no special interest here.

BTW, I happen to believe that both wind turbines and solar panels as a solution to any Climate Change problems are rubbish.

But just skeptical about there being only one article. Many independent researchers publishing the same findings would be valuable.

Peta of Newark
October 29, 2021 12:41 pm

Holy Cow I’ve just sussed it…

Our lungs are behaving as ears or microphones.
Because of their size they will be sensitive to some very low frequencies.

And lookee there what’s jammed up against them in the fairly confined space that is our Rib Cage

Our heart

Enter ‘Heart Rate Variability’
Those machines are ‘forcing’ our hearts almost directly

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
October 29, 2021 7:53 pm

I’m not at all impressed with this article. Perhaps they concentrated on low frequency noise and ignored infrasound because they were dealing with a regulatory agency that followed the US OSHA noise rules that are based on the dBA weighting which models normal hearing – and hence excludes infrasound and ultrasound. Ultrasound isn’t much of a problem on industrial wind turbine scales as air alone will attenuate higher frequencies. That’s why you can hear the “crack” of a nearby lightning strike but only rumbles from distant ones.

Infrasound appears to affect things from stones in our balance organ, hence the feeling vertigo.

I bought a Raspberry Shake & Boom, see https://raspberryshake.org/products/ , in July with the hope of making some wind turbine infrasound. Then learn enough about digital signal processing to transmogrify it in to something audible so I and others can hear how it changes over the course of a night. However, too many distractions so far.

Not the least is that the RSB is an incredible device. The seismic side picks up big quakes like the MM8.2 quake in Alaska, the recent Haiti quake, local quakes, e.g one that was 100 km away but only four “did you feel it” reports came from more than 10 km away. Also helicopters, gravel mine explosions 16 miles away, even joggers running by!

The infrasound side hasn’t been as distracting, but it recorded what I’m convinced was a daytime meteor explosion on a cloudy day. A lot of people heard it, GOES-16 got one image of it. That spawned a lot of speculation. My RSB and one 20 miles away both got great recordings that taught me a <i>lot</i> about such events.

I shared my analysis on FaceBook, see https://www.facebook.com/ric.werme/posts/10159672841096550?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZUqyOcAaSFwTphX7Ohg1EV0l-1G8tI2H2pCJaKU3j7PbDbJ7jWa17VaBAaOKMb3pEQoGD4qup8xWy3zUa8Ny3UUOZDzg28l657vWy45G49CISP9HE76urg8AFAWMV4uqxE&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R with the local NWS and the American Meteor Society. The latter was thrilled to get our analysis as they are beginning to looks at RSBs to augment their full-sky camera systems.

See also https://www.facebook.com/alan.kafka.1/posts/10158373237753061?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVQ0IUTy10RNmXctK8eKszJBB3PM-b5mKJz7kp-ZdWTkrZtqv3so92mbl5DSUTy7XHJcNNcoUeTExIaFdAM9ZBIpSZfXcxwR692fMTz7y4ZJ1Q4MDBC8XLTITrVN8N0DBE&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R

(Do those work here?)

I may be getting close to turning my attention to those wind turbines….

My seismic data is at https://dataview.raspberryshake.org/#/AM/RB3C2/00/EHZ , HDF is the infrasound.

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October 29, 2021 8:31 pm

If you’re not allowed to give opinions on social media contrary to WHO recommendations, you get a warning, if not a termination of your account. So, I intend to report at least one person who promotes wind turbines as safe and clean. I cannot have people promoting falsehoods on social media.

ozspeaksup
October 30, 2021 4:42 am

airtight unopenable windows in concrete homes in the taiwan tropics
throw in the humidity mould and cooling bills / freshair needs re covid,
because of birdshredders..and the death toll TO the migratory birds using the corridor nth to sth

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