Forests once grew thousands of years ago before the most recent ice age covered the growth.
By Ronald Stein
Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure, Irvine, California
Ancient tree stumps found under glaciers in Southeast Iceland are confirmed to be roughly 3,000 years old, RUV reports. A specialist believes the remarkably well-preserved stumps were part of a massive forest that disappeared after a long period of a warm climate.
It is believed that 3,000 years ago, the forests were much larger, even reaching the highlands. Approximately 500 BC, the climate became colder, and glaciers began to form, destroying parts of the forests.
The planet has been here billions of years, with mankind only having been here for the last million or so. In that time, the planet has changed climates several times.
With four of the last five warming cycles having occurred before humans and their kin were even around, the causes have got to be attributable to Mother Nature and the solar system. Today, President Biden has called climate change “the number one issue facing humanity”, implying that humanity is more powerful than Mother Nature and the solar system that caused the previous four warming cycles.
The Earth has existed for maybe 4.5 billion years, and now the alarmists will have us believe that because of the small rise in temperature for roughly 150 years, we are doomed.
The World is 87 percent uninhabitable with 70 percent covered by oceans and 17 percent being the mountains and deserts, while the remaining 13 percent of habitable area is up for discussions as to whether humans, animals, plants, Mother Nature, or the solar system have contributed to past and current climate changes.
During the last Ice Age, glaciers covered 32 percent of land. Today, about 10 percent of Earth’s land is covered with glaciers.
Obviously, natural forces greater than humans and fossil fuels caused the previous four warming cycles before humanity appeared, that melted the ice, so can the current humans’ minuscule presence on earth be the cause of the next warming cycle?
Melting glaciers in Western Canada are revealing tree stumps up to 7,000 years old where the region’s rivers of ice have retreated to a historic minimum. Johannes Koch of The College of Wooster in Ohio found the fresh-looking, intact tree stumps beside retreating glaciers in Garibaldi Provincial Park, about 40 miles north of Vancouver, British Columbia. Radiocarbon dating of the wood from the stumps revealed the wood was far from fresh—some of it dated back to within a few thousand years of the end of the last ice age.
Here in America, Glacier National Park might soon need a new name. The Montana park has 26 named glaciers today, down from 150 in 1850. Those that remain are typically mere remnants of their former frozen selves, a new gallery of before and after images reveals.
All arguments about global warming aside, now is a time of clear retreat by age-old ice packs in many locations around the world. Some retreat just a few inches or feet per year, but others are melting faster than a snow cone in Texas.
Humans have been monitoring temperatures since we have had meteorologists, which is about the last 150 years. On a 24-hour clock, those 150 years in which we have been monitoring temperatures, out of the 4.5 billion years that earth has been around, represent 0.00288th of a second!
Without the existence of human beings or fossil fuels to blame for the previous five warming cycles that melted the ice from the previous five ice ages, we are left with a troublesome question.
Namely, how can the presence of humans and fossil fuels, for “0.00288th of a second” on the “24-hour clock,” on the 13 percent of the earth’s surface that is habitable land mass, have any influence, as compared to all the natural forces that have caused the fiveprevious warming cycles and climate changes over the last 4.5 billion years?
The warming we have had the last 100 years is so small that if we didn’t have meteorologists and climatologists to micromanage the data, we wouldn’t have noticed it at all.”
Over the billions of years, ice ages have come and gone, and sea levels have risen and fallen. Temperatures have swung wildly going into and out of the ice ages periods, with virtually no human presence, nor fossil fuel energy usage over those billions of years. Sea animals’ fossils are somewhat common to find in the “mountains” during the weather swings over the billions of years.
The world has gone through numerous cooling and warming cycles, most of which occurred naturally before humans and their kin were even around. Maybe the latest reforestation of earth from the current warming cycle will be the same trees to be buried under the next cooling cycle that Mother Nature or the solar system will provide in the coming centuries.
| Ronald Stein, P.E. |
| Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure |
http://www.energyliteracy.net/
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So now humans are tipping a fragile balance that did not exist before. How can they know that.
Ronald Stein, a sane voice in the wilderness.
The Climate Change mania is nothing but hysteria by ignorant nutcases, aided and abetted by fake traditional media trying to survive.
Fishing nets of trawlers get caught on tree stumps on the Doggers bank in the North Sea, because the North Sea was a forest about 10,000 years ago.
A person could walk from Spain to Ireland and from Denmark to England
Those were the good old days; hunting, fishing, campfires
Who the hell needs 10 billion people?
More than half of which will become refugees
Evolution is a non stop process in life and human kind as with climate .
The Earth will still evolve whether humans are here or not .
Humans need to resolve their thought processes and political institutions to thrive and survive .
It’s interesting that the temperature graph shown of the last 2,000 years doesn’t reflect the Roman Warm Period, which supposedly ended about AD 400, while the Medieval Warm Period (AD 900 to 1300 according to most proxies) seems to be shifted back to AD 600 to 1050, with a brief peak around AD 1250. Did the previous natural climate changes occur earlier in Iceland than in Europe?
It’s also interesting that these 3,000-year-old tree stumps (circa 1000 BC) are on in southeast Iceland, closest to the Gulf Stream. Is it possible that the Gulf Stream flowed farther west back then, bringing mild weather to southeastern Iceland.
In today’s climate, there is frequently a strong low-pressure area just south of Iceland, which tends to bring cold winds out of the northeast. It is also possible that the jet stream was farther west 3,000 years ago, which would have brought milder winds out of the southeast to southeastern Iceland.
I am sympathetic to the message but the facts seem well established so there is no need for this to be avoidably and unnecessarily wrong… as regards:
“With four of the last five warming cycles having occurred before humans and their kin were even around?
THis is simply very wrong in the context of interglacial warming and cooling cycles, of which there have been 8 in 8,000 years, from the warmest this interglacial 8Ka ago. Mostly on a decreasing maximum trend. The LIA was about as cold as it ever got this interglacial. But that’s only the short term interglacial cycle we see, that is superimposed on the longer ice age cycles, which humans have lived through many of.
Humans were around the whole time, millions of years. Since before 1Ma ago when the 100Ka cycle ice ages started from the 41Ka cycles, with similar upper bounds but less extremely cold glacial phases at the poles. All this is as near cross corroborated as evidence can make it. So that statement is VERY wrong in the context of both current short term 1Ka cycles if 2 deg range and 1deg per century rate, as is happening now, as well as the many ice age cycles humans have existed through.
Mostly moving away from the small area of ocean bounded Northern continents where the effects were significant to where they weren’t, which was most of the land mass.
PS It would seem logical to state that the natural state of the Northern Europe and Canada is uninhabited.
Did I miss something?
“With four of the last five warming cycles having occurred before humans and their kin were even around?
I’m guessing he is referring to interglacials, not warm periods in this interglacial. He should have been clearer.
3,000 years ago…
Meaning the Roman Warming Period was a cool down from the preceding Egyptian Warming Period or would that be known as the Copper Tools Warming Period?
I’m sure we have suggestions where alarmists can put these “Ancient Tree Stumps” to help them better understand “Global Warming”?
Some are complaining that the evidence of ancient tree stumps doesn’t disprove man-made global warming. But there is similar evidence more recently in place like the European alps. Austrian researchers have found artifacts showing natural warming and cooling periods.
Prof. em. Christian Schlüchter is a geologist and has studied the glaciers of the Alps in great detail. He reports the findings of very old timber in and below glaciers and what those trees taught him about the glacial epochs of the Alps.
The timberline was at least 300 meters higher which indicates a minimum of 1.8° C higher temperatures. An example of this gives Hannibal, who managed to cross the Alps with elephants because the higher regions were much less covered by ice than in recent centuries.
A summary slide of his findings:
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