Guest “You never always go full retard” by David Middleton
7 Epic Epochs of Earth, Ranked
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1. Pleistocene, 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago
The very best time on Earth. Extremely recent as far as geologic time goes, the Pleistocene was momentous. It’s also the last chapter in which Earth’s climate was untarnished by human changes.
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Isaac Schultz
Science writer at Gizmodo, previously of Atlas Obscura. A native New Yorker. Mostly covering ancient things (on Earth and beyond) and masses extremely big or incredibly small.
Gizmodo
The author has a 2018 bachelors degree in religious studies and a 2019 MS in journalism. In his mind, he never actually lived in the Holocene, perhaps explaining its absence from his list. Very little in the article was worth quoting.
Isaac Schultz’s 7 Epic Epochs of Earth, Ranked…
7. Late Permian, 260 million to 251 million years ago… This epoch certainly ended with the worst time for life on Earth.
6. Anthropocene : Not an epoch, not an actual geological time period of any kind.
5. Eocene, 56 million to 34 million years ago… He got one right! The Eocene Epoch is actually an epoch. He ranks it below the Pleistocene because, “the Eocene ranks lower than the Pleistocene for sheer lack of woolly mammoths and Neanderthals.”
4. Paleoarchean, 3.6 billion to 3.2 billion years ago… He does note that this is “technically not an epoch,”… It’s an erathem/era… A time period equivalent to the Paleozoic, Mesozoic or Cenozoic.
3. Late Cretaceous, 100 million to 66 million years ago… Isaac seems to have a penchant for mass extinctions.
2. Early Cambrian, 541 million to 510 million years ago… Actually two epochs (series), the Terreneuvian and “Series 2.” The Cambrian Explosion would certainly have been an interesting time period.
And now for Isaac Schultz’s favorite geological epoch…
Coming in a #1… Drum roll, please… The Pleistocene Epoch, 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago… This explains the point to which the Climatariat would like to reverse climate change.
The very best time on Earth. Extremely recent as far as geologic time goes, the Pleistocene was momentous. It’s also the last chapter in which Earth’s climate was untarnished by human changes. Modern humans were around then, though, and we were busy interbreeding with Neanderthals and the Denisovans. The Pleistocene saw the first art, and, perhaps most importantly, woolly mammoths and adorably armored glyptodonts bopped around the cooler stretches of the planet. There were also cave bears, marsupial saber-toothed tigers, and giant ground sloths. At one point, the recent northern glaciers reached as far south as Manhattan. The Pleistocene is a fascinating liminal space between our recorded history and deep time, one that holds many clues to how humans ended up the way we are today.
Gizmodo
Which do you think Isaac hates more? People or capitalism? While it’s nearly impossible to determine the average human life span during the Pleistocene Epoch, the vast majority of fossilized modern humans appear to have died in the range of 20-40 years old (Trinkaus, 2011). If we returned to the Pleistocene, this would be the norm:
This is how he described the nonexistent Anthropocene:
So here’s where things went wrong. A single species managed to heat and pollute the globe and cause mass extinction.
Of course a fake mass extinction fits right into a fake epoch.
However, he loves the Eocene…
Great times. Basically the prequel to the Pleistocene in terms of mammalian domination, the Eocene was the middle epoch of the Paleogene, which came on the heels of asteroid impact that did away with nearly all dinosaurs.
Most people who go full retard and babble about the Anthropocene, pine away for the pristine climatic stasis of the Holocene (/SARC). Isaac Schultz goes fuller retard and pines away for the Pleistocene… An epoch in which “pine” trees often had trouble “breathing” (Ward et al., 2005).
For reference, here is the official geologic time scale:
On my usage of the word “retard”
I’ll let comedian Jim Breuer explain the context. If you don’t want to watch the entire hilarious skit, the most relevant part starts at about the five minute mark…
References
Trinkaus, Erik. Late Pleistocene adult mortality patterns and modern human establishment. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Jan 2011, 108 (4) 1267-1271; DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1018700108
Ward JK, Harris JM, Cerling TE, Wiedenhoeft A, Lott MJ, Dearing MD, Coltrain JB, Ehleringer JR. Carbon starvation in glacial trees recovered from the La Brea tar pits, southern California. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2005 Jan 18;102(3):690-4. doi: 10.1073/pnas.0408315102. Epub 2005 Jan 10. PMID: 15642948; PMCID: PMC544040.
Much as I miss mammoths, try farming with them around.
Apparently Mr. Schulz doesn’t know that much of the Northern Hemisphere was covered in thick ice sheets for most of the Pleistocene, and that even in the tropics, forests were restricted.
Genetic evidence suggests that at one point in the Late Pleistocene, global modern human population dropped to around 20,000 people.
Farming might have first arisen at the very end of the Pleistocene, but only spread in the Holocene, our current interglacial. It’s possible that rice farming could have started as early as 13 Ka in southern China. The Holocene began 11.7 Ka.
We need a diversity in writers. Including retarded ones.
The homeless problem in LA would be solved if sabre tooth tigers from the La Brea Tar Pits came back to life.
Two genera of saber-toothed cat roamed LA. Not to mention American lion, giant jaguar, dire wolf and giant short-faced bear. Or even just grizzlies. American lions were larger than modern lions, with bigger brains.
Not a nylon tent camping-friendly environment.
Nor an environment conducive to people jogging or even biking for exercise and entertainment.
Jogging especially bad, since running triggers your average carnivore.
Bicyclists joyriding in rush hour traffic trigger me… 🤬
What? Bicycles aren’t traffic also? Motorists thinking that they are some sort of elites trigger me.
Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles.
Most don’t act as drivers of vehicles.
While bicyclists may be equal in the eyes of the law, anyone with an ounce of self-preservation will always keep in mind that an automobile weighs about an order of magnitude more than the bicyclist and their bicycle, and typically travels at higher speeds and takes longer to come to a full stop than a bicycle.
It is not a good strategy to insist on your rights if it will cause your demise!
When you pay the taxes for the road, then you can bicycle on them. Until then, play your Lance Amstrong roleplaying away from traffic.
When bicycles can use the roads without forcing everyone else to slow down, then they will be traffic, until then they will remain obstacles.
That’s always been my “go to” concerning the good ol’ days: “I’m pretty happy that I don’t have to dodge the sabre tooths getting to the subway every day”…
What else would you expect from a religion major?
Same sort of stuff from a psychology major with a massage cert.
Wtf is wrong with you Belford? Is Willis on some Soros list for trolls to target?
Anyone else notice that the only time joe shows up, is to post something unintelligent on one of David’s posts.
It’s almost like joe just can’t quit David.
Anyone else notice that the only time MarkW shows up is to post something dumb?
MarkW is one of the most insightful regular commenters here. For you to say his comments are dumb says much about you and your intelligence. The essence of stupidity is the inability to recognize it. You and griff demonstrate you have an inability to think things through.
It’s a bromance, except David isn’t aware of it
I need to do a little comment-mining. I think there are at least 1 or 2 other comment trolls who have used nearly identical phraseology… Meaning, it’s probably 1 person or bot operating as multiple users.
Or just all leftists mindless groupthink.
You know, how the MSM always seems to use the chosen anti-conservative or pro Democrat phrase of the day,
David, I think I agree with Drake here. It’s not that they’re the same person, it’s that they don’t think independently and therefore only regurgitate what they’ve been told to think.
I notice you haven’t disputed the post so far, could it because David has a science degree, thus know Anthropocene that the religion major thinks is a real epoch, is in fact never existed at all.
Maybe you need to slow down here because the religion major is the one who wrote that dumb article…..
David’s “science degree” comes from a teacher’s college known for gold diggers looking to date Yale students.
And yet he’s had a long and successful career as a geologist, helping to find the energy to keep the world going.
And David writes well and I learn something new from each of his articles – whereas the writer picking his favourite Era/period seems to be trying to dumb down the concepts and ends up making an uninteresting article about something he apparently doesn’t really understand. Why would his favourite period in time be when so much death and cold consumed the world? Why not when the dinosaurs ruled the world, which was green from pole to pole and teeming with life? Or if he prefers fur, then the PETM when the world was also a global paradise.
Funny thing… I’m also a big fan of the Pleistocene. I love Quaternary Geology and I’ve discovered a lot of oil in the Lower Pleistocene Gelasian-Calabrian section. I think Lenticulina 1 must be Latin for money… 😎
For my next post, I think I will contrast the PETM with the Anthropolitan.
The funny thing is that on the residence side of campus, I was John Belushi from Animal House; while on the academic side of campus, I was racking up the highest departmental GPA in the history (as of 1980) of the school’s Earth Science Department. That and my math minor, convinced Enserch Exploration’s Chief Geophysicist to recommend hiring me as an Associate Geophysicist… Even though I only had a BS in Earth Science from “that fine oil school”… 😎
Exceptional people usually find a way to overcome their handicaps. 🙂
Your personal animosity towards David, for whatever reason, it getting out of hand. I suggest that you pack it in and find some other hobby to entertain yourself. You aren’t making any constructive contributions with your elitist attitudes.
So you resort to an attempt at a low blow, despite that YOU failed to show where David is wrong about the post he wrote, you seems to have no argument here aside from fallacies and partisan politics to offer.
Your time here indicate that you have little to offer except side issues that doesn’t pertain much to the topic at hand, suggest that you refocus yourself on the MAIN topic at hand, post any dissenting views based on the topic at hand.
David writes far better than you, making interesting observations and simulates productive conversations, YOU don’t which is why you get a lot of blowback.
all joe has is fallacies: https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/#adhominem
David has a science degree, but that’s unimportant in this discussion. What’s important here is that he, unlike you and Schultz, knows what he’s talking about and has common sense.
You just want to troll and exchange insults.
Its a ‘Listicle’.. they get picked up quick smart for syndication.
“Listicle”? Isn’t that a testicle that leans to one side, mostly to the left?
And turns green whilst being red on the inside
Like a watermelon? I’d hate to have to ‘wear’ one. That would require serious atheletic support.
With a 2018 degree in religious studies and a 2019 degree in journalism tells you about the author on several levels.
By #2 I mean the real world where things have to work for people to live and not starve. Things like electricity and fuels to make his food by better people than him and how it all arrives to be at his disposal.
Basically he’s the guy who knows that electricity comes from a plug-socket in the wall and food comes from the grocery store. Don’t ask him to explain beyond that level of abstraction, because he can’t.
In other words, he is exactly the sort of ignoramous that today’s US Socialist-Democrats depend on for votes and to acquire political power on the road to Marxism – a true retard.
I wonder if he believes that chocolate milk comes from brown cows? For that matter, I wonder if he even realizes that real milk comes from cows instead of almonds, oats, or soy?
These are the kind of people who think milk comes from stores.
“The author has a 2018 bachelors degree in religious studies and a 2019 MS in journalism.” writing about geology.
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Reminds me of an author with “B.A., Psychology (1975) and California Massage Certificate” writing about climate science.
What degree do YOU have?
Snicker…..
a Masters in math, how about you?
Is that why you can’t make a post that adds up?
That clearly demonstrates that a degree doesn’t guarantee that a person learns to think from going to college.
Have you considered professional help for your anger and insecurity issues?
That is nice, but you failed to realize how I made you look foolish with the question.
Willis is a Polymath, something you don’t get with any college degree itself. It goes beyond college, it comes from the person themselves who are often of a higher intelligence level to be that diverse in learning.
I have a college degree too but I never stopped studying other fields, which for me is History, Natural world with a certified Green Thumb (Have a Garden, Brussel Sprouts and Peas are splendid this year!), Irrigation (Job), Landscaping (Job), Botany, Soils Agronomy, and Astronomy (owned some of the biggest Portable Telescopes in the Northwest, 25″ F5 Obsession from 1996-2010, currently own an 18″ F 4.5, which I have been rebuilding/repairing) People who keep learning are the same people who keep up with the times, which is why I am a True Free Thinking Independent, but not close to being a polymath.
You might have a Math degree, but your replies here indicate to me that you are a partisan based shallow thinker, which is why I haven’t learned anything from you to date.
If that’s all you got, then I guess that’s all you got.
Simon whinning about other people’s lack of degrees. Now that thar is funny.
Again MarkW calls kettle black.
No I’m agreeing with Joe Belford who is rightly pointing out the lack of credentials for the so called experts here. I mean, let’s face it, most are just keen amateurs, who generally have a rather specific political bias or vested interest in fossil fuels…. Which is fine, but don’t mistake them for leaders in the field.
Ah yes, the final refuge of the scoundrel.
As always, Simon can’t refute anything written, he just complains that the speakers don’t have the right credentials, therefore must be ignored by all.
Actually the lack of credentials’ from Isaac Schultz is the primary reason why his article was a smashing failure, it was STUPID!
How come you didn’t know that?
I think the entire point of the comment was missed…
With 2018 and 2019 degrees in geology, he would realize that he is living in the Holocene. With a 1975 degree in almost anything, there’s a fair chance he would realize he is living in the Holocene.
I suppose you reject all the works of Davy and Faraday, then, since they lacked credentials too?
You still believe in Trump Russia colluuuusion….😉
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-employee-kilimnik-gave-russia-election-data.html
https://technofog.substack.com/p/why-is-a-fusion-gps-attorney-risking
Lol…you will go to your grave with that fairy tale while oil prices rise making Russia wealthy.
Notice how all he has is some reporter making claims. No actual data.
That means YOU couldn’t come up with a counterpoint to the post.
It is far more than what YOU got…….
There are fools who manage to get through college and brag about a piece of paper. They are barely suited to work as drones in some office following directions from others.
Then there are people who can do things in the real world and think independently, who do not depend on a piece of paper to substitute for giving evidence for why their ideas have merit.
I am sure that most people here will have no difficulty sorting Belford, Simon, and Willis into their appropriate categories.
“There are fools who manage to get through college and brag about a piece of paper””
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Like the guy that got a BA from Wharton in 1968 (with bone spurs?)
More like the guy who lied about graduating in the top half of his class from Syracuse Law.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-biden-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/
I did laugh at video of Trump holding the flag the other day mouthing “I love you.” Seems not enough to go and fight.
What rank did you hold in the military, Simon? What gives you the right to criticize Trump?
Not everyone in the military sees combat. Something like 90% are in logistical supporting-roles, supporting those in combat. Each serves in their own way.
Trump has served by being Commander in Chief. That is a step above even being a general. Generals rarely see combat either. Their roles are too important to risk high mortality rates.
Clyde
That is a bout the most pathetic twisted attempt to justify the coward in chiefs draft dodging I have ever seen. Trump wasn’t the commander in chief when he used daddies doctor friend to write him the cowardly note that got him out of the draft. Sad….
Draft dodging?
Once again the only way you can win an argument is by redefining words to fit what you want them to mean.
MarkW
So how was what Trump did not draft dodging? He avoided the military draft five times. Four for college and once for “bone spurs.” At the time he was an athlete in college and there had been no record till then of this debilitating condition. The diagnosis came two years after Trump had been declared available for service and passed a physical exam. That is the purest definition of “draft dodging.”
I am happy to consider your version if you know something I missed?
Did he claim that the problem was congenital? Perhaps his athletic activities caused the condition. In any event, you probably haven’t noticed that one’s body changes over time and that diseases sometimes come and go — and sometimes they just get worse.
It would seem that your irrational hatred of Trump causes you to be irrational. Or, maybe you deal with congenital irrationality.
Are you implying that until such time as someone serves in the military they don’t deserve recognition as having courage?
You didn’t answer my question about what position you held in the military that gives you the right to complain about ‘draft dodgers!’
In other words, you can’t actually refute anything written.
You mean about the “consensus” about named geologic epochs? (Middleton had to write an entire post about that)
Yet, you are still clueless.
I propose to dub him “bats” as in “he has bats in his belfry”
bats belford
I see you still don’t understand the difference between science and naming.
Then again, you and Simon have never shown any evidence of being able to understand anything that doesn’t fit into your ideologies.
How about a consensus that you are a poor loser and politely ask that you go away and annoy someone else?
Big difference between 2018 degree and 1975 degree – something called “life experience”
I’m still trying to figure out the reason for declaring the start of the Holocene.
The Anthropocene is just politics
I thought geologists would be the last scientists
to fall victim to leftist politics because their heads
were already completely filled up with rocks
(sorry, a real geologist told me that one
at a cocktail party long ago).
Concerning your last article here.
it was very good but a long read..
I couldn’t leave a comment there — the comment
box rarely shows up on my old computer since
this website was reformatted.
Three writers have consistently good articles here
and you are one of them.
This science article with bad guy “Sergeant Schultz”, was entertaining.
For a while I thought he was a fictional character.
In the leftist world, you get a few college degrees and
suddenly you are an “expert” on any subject you feel like
pontificating about !
BBC-Futures is a department that specialises in constructing mad agenda pushing stories
“There is so much concrete in the world that soon it will outweigh all living matter – including us. I
In the latest in our *Anthropo-Scene series*,
we explore the material’s global reach, occasional beauty, and unimaginable scale.
–”
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210628-concrete-the-material-that-defines-our-age
The writers seem to use a string of PRtrickery techniques
Like the fallacy of comparing apples with oranges, the slippery slope fallacy etc.
Note when the original paper came out in Dec 2020, there was no such story about concrete.
The BBC journo has taken 6 months to dream it up.
Their facebook page has a string of such stories
https://www.facebook.com/BBCFuture/
Young New Yorkers should get out more. Money does not grow on trees, milk does not come from bottles, and climate does not come from people/carbon.
And Harvard Law gave us Obama
And Mitt Romney, and me. You can’t win em all
Harvard even gave us Al Gore before he went to Vanderbilt University Divinity School. Then he switched religions to “climate change”.
Gore did not go to Harvard Law
Correct. Harvard Law doesn’t take C students from Yale. Even if their dad’s are senators in the pay of Communist-controlled Big Oil companies.
Show me where I said he did. He wasn’t smart enough to get into Harvard Law so he went to Vanderbilt Law instead. The man has been a loser from the outset.
His only claim to any knowledge on climate was a short credit course from Roger Revelle (the same Revelle he threw under the bus when Revelle reversed himself years later).
Vanderbilt Divinity, thanks to his dad’s pull. Not Law.
It seems Gore has led a life of failure from beginning to the present. Nothing he’s turned his hand to as born fruit except political graft. He has a real nose for the pork barrel (I guess he learned from the best).
Classic “whataboutism” Mr. Tillman, you lose.
That’s funny, coming from the guy who spends all his time researching other people’s academic credentials.
This thread is about Harvard Law, you changed the subject to a different school.
You’re confused, Joe … just like the Joe pretending to be the President. This thread is about whatever people want it to be.
This “thread” is about a 20-something year old nitwit, with a BA in religious studies and an MS in journalism, going fuller retard with the geologic time scale.
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Harvard law is not quite as relevant to this thread as mammary glands would be useful on a bull.
Fascinating how joe knows more about what this thread is about, than the guy who wrote the thread.
Joe is probably an imposter who had already been banned under several alter egos… Simon doesn’t have a similar excuse for a career of posting trollish red herring fallacies… ⚒️
Nobody said he did. Perhaps if you actually tried to read for comprehension, you would have known that.
Gore couldn’t hack Divinity School so he went back to the farm. And the report is he got a D in his Intro to Geology class at Harvard, hence his expertise on global warming/climate change
Exactly. It was my understanding that Roger Revelle’s course was one of those 2 unit fillers for a science credit. Even then Al failed it. Look up Revelle (one of the big guns in the CO2 hypothesis of climate forcing). He recanted his position at retirement repudiating his CO2 hypothesis, and Gore threw him under the bus as a demented old man.
Ted Cruz
Alan Dershowitz’ best student in all his decades teaching at Harvard Law.
Too bad that he looks like a possum.
Dershowitz: “Those who can’t do, teach.”
Two years after graduating, Dershowitz joined the faculty of Harvard Law School in 1964 and three years later became the youngest law professor to be granted tenure in Harvard University’s history; he retired from teaching in 2013.
He was also notable for successfully practicing law in some very important cases. He can “do” and teach as well as author many books.
Yeah, but how does he stack up to belford?
You mean like “Con Law” adjunct Obama?
Who’s been way more successful that you will ever be. And that hurt’s your delicate little ego, doesn’t it.
MarkW = pot
.
Calling kettle black.
Joey,
I think mom’s calling you to get off that dang computer and come up from the basement for your chicken nuggets and apple slices.
And Ted Kennedy, until he got kicked out for cheating in an exam.
Hey, they were Democrats – what else would we expect?
For Democrats, cheating is the preferred means to success. Look how many utter duds seem to get elected.
Or you could become a “community organizer” like Obarmy did.
(whatever t.f. a “community organizer” is)
I think “community organizer” is another name for sh*t disturber. Obama is no genius … but he had all the necessary credentials for his installation … rather like Biden.
Obama was re-elected, Orange Man wasn’t
I’m sure you actually believe that … LOL. Hell, you believe AGW, why wouldn’t you? Yeah, Obama “won” the Nobel Peace Prize too. Dear gawd you guys are gullible.
Time to go joe
“Community Organizer” is the new name for a Chicago Democrat machine ward heeler; the guy who goes around the neighborhood handing out cash and favors to keep the folks loyal to the machine.
A community organizer is the leftist new term for the truer to the meaning of their actions “rabble rouser”.
Just as “homeless” is the new leftist term for the truer to the meaning of their actions, “vagrant”.
Come on people, the leftists have been changing terminology to suit their agenda for decades.
And to that point, David, in this post you use the Marxist term “Capitalism” which should only be used when discussing government implemented “crony capitalism”. We should always remember that FREE ENTERPRISE is the economic engine of the world. The freer the better.
Ted Kennedy never went to Harvard Law.
Of course.
He was expelled from Harvard for cheating and had to enroll in Virginia to study law.
Your point?
(btw, and speaking of Teddy, no doubt you’ve heard the observation that “more people died at Chappaquiddick than at Gitmo”)
You’re wrong, he went to Harvard College. Then he was kicked out of Harvard Law because his grades were too low and got caught cheating to improve them. His cheating almost disqualified him from getting into Virginia Law, but he had powerful supporters.
If Harvard Law promises to take him back, the country just might be able to forgive them.
Graduates of Harvard Law make a lot more $$ than Ted Cruz
Ted is a Harvard Law grad. The highest ranked ever.
Funny how everything comes down to money with socialists.
And happy to be rid of him I’m guessing!
The good thing about the so-called ‘Anthropocene’ is that no-one is forced to live in it, Isaac has a choice.
Substitute greentard for retard.
Perhaps gretard would suffice.
How dare you?
Already using nearly that one, Crispin, for a different meaning. Only I substitue letter “u” for your “a.”
Off the Topic
See this nice video fro BBC that makes a good statement about the scientific process. It would be goo to put their own journalists to study this video for hours… mainly those that write about the consensus in climate change…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/why-getting-things-wrong-is-good-for-science/p09mb351
What exactly is your issue with this article? It is pointless and unscientific but so are all “greatest of all time lists”. But then it is not meant to be taken seriously since I doubt many people would claim that the presence of “adorably armored glyptodonts” is an objective measure of greatness.
Well, you appear to be rather embarrassed to see one of your mob writing (yet another) ridiculous article.
Is it all a bit uncomfortable for you?
It is ridiculous but no more than any list of greatest movies or greatest sportsmen. It is a personal opinion and people are free to express those and it is clearly meant to drive clicks rather than inform debate. But that is the nature of the web in 2021.
I beg to differ. Not all greatest lists are created equal. Some selections are more defensible than others.
Anyone who imagines that life in the Pleistocene was better than in the Holocene should go live on Baffin Island. I regret the loss of Pleistocene megafauna, but human hunter-gatherers simply couldn’t have flourished sharing North America with short-faced bears.
But the article is about which time periods are best for humans so whether or not humans could flourish is irrelevant. If you think that should be the criteria then make your own list.
Did you mean to say “not about which time periods are best for humans”?
Young Mr. Schultz doesn’t offer objective criteria. Granted, greatest movie lists often don’t either, but they’re frequently the result of voting by critics. Which is how you get Casablanca in a six-way tie for 84th, instead of in the top five, where it belongs.
In the same 100 Greatest list, Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles ranked #35 (some put it in the Top Ten) and Vertigo first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sight_%26_Sound_Greatest_Films_of_All_Time_2012
Sorry Izaak, but what?
“…which best time periods are best for humans so whether or not humans could flourish is irrelevant.”
Did you proof read that statement before posting?
That is like saying living in a cardboard box on a street corner is best for humans because your carbon balance is negative. Sure, you are likely to die of health issues, are a burden on the rest of society and are at the bottom of an extremely deep pit if you ever want to climb out and better yourself, but think of the environment and the lack of stress related to car repayments and rent!
Are you trolling or going for the giggles?
You mean like David Attenborough’s documentaries?
Because your ilk keeps pumping this crap out and pushing it out to kids. Teaching kids to hate people. Retarded indeed.
Where is there any evidence that this article is “teaching kids to hate people”? Or indeed any evidence that kids would be likely to read it for starters? Pointing out that humans have had some negative effects for other species is correct and surely nobody would doubt it.
Don’t worry too much Izaak, gizmoto.com has an Alexa rank of about 1600, whereas WUWT has a rank of 99,000. So the effect this site has isn’t all that great.
Only retards use Alexa, hence rankings
joe b,
Besides spelling, the major difference being that WUWT knows something about objective science . . . gizmodo.com, almost nothing.
But you’re exactly right, the effect WUWT has on posers isn’t all that great.
LOL “objective”…….from a site that touts News and Commentary. No impact factor here.
Then why do you spend so much time here….?
LOL.
This is what I got when I pasted the URL.
HA HA HA HA HA……
G’Day Joe,
“… gizmoto.com has an Alexa rank of about 1600, whereas WUWT has a rank of 99,000. So the effect this site has isn’t all that great.”
“… this site …” – which site? Not being familiar with Alexa ratings, I looked it up:
The 1 month rank is calculated using a combination of average daily visitors and pageviews over the past month. The site with the highest combination of visitors and pageviews is ranked #1.
I know, picky, but I misread it the first time.
Gizmodo ranking so highly just goes to show there are a lot of thick people on the internet.
You never point out the positive. You are sick!
All species have some negative effects for other species. It is the way of life and does need to be used to belittle humans.
A survey of bushbabies and monkeys near chimp gangs would agree that chimps are the worst of all species.
Who does read gizmodo?
Is there a an age survey? Any other reader info?
I get some of my best material from Gizmodo and their redheaded stepchild, Earther… 😎
Beyond being pointless, it’s wrong and incredibly stupid.
So I’m not surprised to find out that you are defending it.
Gizmodo sounds like a disease from taking too much Viagra.
“Anthropocene : Not an epoch, …”
Not yet David! The totalitarians like the Taliban are very patient. They start off, say, as the janitor and after five years or so his handlers get him a minor in geology. He applies for a vacant secretary’s job a rung or two up. As he (or whomever) clmbs the hierarchy, if he runs into resistance, he complains of racist nepotism to the Human Resources fairness committee and they give this ‘victimized’ colleague the assistant to the president job.
As you know HR already runs the show at large companies, Institutions, scientific orgs (Physics, Chemistry etc – APS, ACS, Science journal, etc..) Once in the executive suite they fill it up with totality folk. Witness the Meteorological Association climate statement that only a minority of members agree with.
It was our HR director that made it clear to me that it was time to retire. The power goes to their head.
In 2001, after getting a large change-of-control bonus after Chieftain was acquired by Hunt Oil Company, I said I was going to find my next job by calling around and asking for the HR department; if they had one, I would hang up… 😎
After I had personally informed the director that I had decided to retire at the end of the month, I received an email from head of HR informing me that she wanted to talk with me in person. I went down to her office and she said, “What’s this I hear about you retiring?” I replied, “Yes, that’s right.” Her angry response was, “Not from here you aren’t!” It turns out I was more familiar with the vesting regulations than she was. I retired at the end of the month!
Maybe the poor fellow was thinking of his Plasticine Epoch.
We actually have Gumby and Pokey articulated figures… We just don’t display them on the same shelf, or even same room, as our rock, mineral and fossil collections… 😎
David, here is a way to back the totalitarians off the Anthropocene. Since the Great Greening and bumper harvests are the only palpable sign of climate change, propose the Anthropocene based on the huge beneficial global bounty of fossil fuel emissions. Have a group assess the giant positive benefits. The totality folk probably have ‘cost’ figures for loss of habitat, species decline, loss of harvests etc. Reversing this and expanding habitat would give a a multi trillion plus for carbon. They avoid talking much about the Great Greening except for an occasional, poorly thought out drive-by “this thing is bad” article. Polar bears are increasing in numbers, the Bengal tiger increased 18% in numbers in India and 10% in the Ganges delta in Bangladesh.
Thanks for the geological pH reference. OA stimulated lots of research, nonsense like recent plume study, some new sublethal effects and physiology understanding. Two of many examples, second reference found that predicted will be way above lethal, sublethal only concern, not much. I worked some with estuarine critters almost acid, least of their worries.
Waldbusser, G. G., B. Hales and B. A. Haley. 2016. Calcium carbonate saturation state: on myths and this or that stories. ICES Journal Marine Science.73(3):563–568, https://doi.org/10.1093/icesjms/fsv174
Ishimatui, A., T. Kikkawa, M. Ayashi, K.-S. Lee and J. Kita. 2004. Effects of CO2 on marine fish larvae and adults. Journal of Oceanography. 60:731-741.
Maybe I didn’t sufficiently point out the irony in Isaac’s view of the Eocene as a paradise and his view that the most recent century of the Holocene was a Hell on Earth… 😆
Not really discussed in the above article, and hard to see from the graph above plotting paleoclimatology reconstructions of atmospheric CO2 levels over time, it should be noted that more precise data analyses have indicated the atmospheric CO2 levels during the ~2.5 million-year duration of the Pleistocene ranged from a dangerous-to-plant-life-survival low of about 150 ppm to (guess what!) a high at about today’s level of about 420 ppm.
Ref: “Low CO2 levels of the entire Pleistocene epoch”, J. Da, et. al., Nature Communications, 25 Sept 2019, free download at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12357-5
How was that possible without humans around burning vast quantities of wood, coal, oil/gasoline, and natural gas?
From the above article, I am glad to see that Gizmodo’s “science” writer, Isaac Schultz, thinks that today’s CO2 levels are within the range of those established for his most favorite, “the very-best-time-on-Earth” epoch.
So much irony, so little time…😎
“Woke” is the politically correct term for “retard.”
So… Woketard would be redundant? 😎
I think that we may have finally been offered a clue on the real identity of griff! Could there possibly be two people as dense as Schultz?
Griff- The enigma that keeps on giving!
As the poster boy-girl-whatever for inane statements extolling the bright, glorious future of unreliables!
What would we do without his-her- whatever’s humorous posts to laugh incessantly at?
At least there is a semblence of consistency there-like molasses, or something….
Regards,
MCR
And there they go, giving the game away.
Any change, if it’s caused by man, is by definition evil.
Gizmodo still has a successful business model?!
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Ignoring all the above comments (hope you aren’t offended), the Miocene has always been my favorite epoch. Besides hosting all the cute animals we love, the Miocene had nice warmth, four seasons, minimal glaciation, plenty of green trees, angiosperms, grassy prairies, sunny beaches, and tropical breezes.
It’s too bad there were no humans to enjoy it. If I had a time machine, that’s where I’d go.
The Miocene was followed by the Pliocene/Pleistocene with crushing continental ice sheets, a paucity of CO2, struggling plants and animals, mass extinctions, enormous deserts, multi-millennial droughts, global dust storms, and challenges to Life Itself. A neo-chimp with learning skills managed to eke out an existence by adapting to eating almost anything, if it was cooked, and thereby withstood the challenges, barely. Vicissitude (not necessity) is the mother of invention, and vicissitudes abounded in the Pleistocene.
The Holocene is a brief respite, a rare interglacial hiatus, because we’re still enmeshed in the Pleistocene. It’s sad, tragic even, that the Miocene ended. If we could resuscitate it, then we should. Warmer Is Better.
Our great ape ancestors enjoyed the Miocene, with a greatly expanded range over today’s.
A degree in religion, sure the religion of Parson Malthus, who’s church is head today by QEII.
A look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
shows he was a Ninth Wrangler in Mathematics.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population for Malthus on religion.
His Essay is the original modelling escapade gone to the dogs. All the later models are religiously cloned from this Wrangler of Cambridge.
In 1805, Malthus became Professor of History and Political Economy at the East India Company College . His students affectionately referred to him as “Pop”, “Population”, or “web-toe” Malthus. This is the very seat of Adam Smith, the often adored ‘economist’ by Marx and capitalists alike.
A look at Adam Smith, so revered today, shows the religiosity rampant in Woke and ‘conservative’ alike.
Time to abandon Neo-feudal economic mysticism, and have a look at
The National System of Political Economyhttps://archive.org/details/NationalSystemOfPoliticalEconomyFriedrichList
where the American System (rarely understood today) is contrasted with the Adam Smith stuff.
Refreshing separation of church and state!
Here is the definitive :
https://archive.org/details/NationalSystemOfPoliticalEconomyFriedrichList
“the Eocene ranks lower than the Pleistocene for sheer lack of woolly mammoths and Neanderthals.” – idjit statement from Schmertz.
He’s ignoring the very real evidence of a multitude of hominids, including the Denisovans (last seen about 200,000 years ago, probably overwhelmed by Cro Magnons), who were gracile and walked upright and knew how to hunt. They built campfires where they prepped the prey they had killed and taught their young ones how to use hunting weapons like javelins. And they are NOT the only ones like that group of hominids.
What a sorry, narrow, limited view of the past this uninformed idjit must have.
We live during the Retardocene. Witness the Alarmists flapping their gums about a non-existent “climate crisis”, and their attempts at destroying economies worldwide, making everyone poorer in the process. Governments, NGOs, science organizations, “scientists”, schools etc. have all gone full retard.
Imagine, if you will, that it’s around the year 2050. Climate hysteria is long gone, and in fact, the climate has reverted to one more resembling the LIA. The Retardocene will be regarded as the period of time between around 1990 to 2030 (or perhaps earlier). Of course, the groundwork for the Retardocence will have been laid earlier, and its tenacious grip on humanity will not vanish overnight. The slight warmup period after the LIA, covering some 150 years along with the concurrent rise in CO2 will be correctly viewed as entirely beneficial to man, and to nature. Of course some retards will always claim the opposite. They will be relegated to the role of flat-earthers, and be either laughed at or ignored.
So his pristine untarnished world where “At one point, the recent northern glaciers reached as far south as Manhattan.” is preferable to the present?
Or does he prefer the the “great times” of the Eocene where CO2 and temperatures were higher than today?
From that chart it looks like both CO2 and temperatures are a lot lower than they’ve been in the past, so what really is the problem?
He seems unaware that the glaciers reached southern Ohio. They probably didn’t teach that in his religious studies.