Gizmodo goes fuller retard… on the geologic time scale

Guest “You never always go full retard” by David Middleton

7 Epic Epochs of Earth, Ranked

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1. Pleistocene, 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago

The very best time on Earth. Extremely recent as far as geologic time goes, the Pleistocene was momentous. It’s also the last chapter in which Earth’s climate was untarnished by human changes.

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Isaac Schultz

Science writer at Gizmodo, previously of Atlas Obscura. A native New Yorker. Mostly covering ancient things (on Earth and beyond) and masses extremely big or incredibly small.

Gizmodo

The author has a 2018 bachelors degree in religious studies and a 2019 MS in journalism. In his mind, he never actually lived in the Holocene, perhaps explaining its absence from his list. Very little in the article was worth quoting.

Isaac Schultz’s 7 Epic Epochs of Earth, Ranked…

7. Late Permian, 260 million to 251 million years ago… This epoch certainly ended with the worst time for life on Earth.

6. Anthropocene : Not an epoch, not an actual geological time period of any kind.

5. Eocene, 56 million to 34 million years ago… He got one right! The Eocene Epoch is actually an epoch. He ranks it below the Pleistocene because, “the Eocene ranks lower than the Pleistocene for sheer lack of woolly mammoths and Neanderthals.”

4. Paleoarchean, 3.6 billion to 3.2 billion years ago… He does note that this is “technically not an epoch,”… It’s an erathem/era… A time period equivalent to the Paleozoic, Mesozoic or Cenozoic.

3. Late Cretaceous, 100 million to 66 million years ago… Isaac seems to have a penchant for mass extinctions.

2. Early Cambrian, 541 million to 510 million years ago… Actually two epochs (series), the Terreneuvian and “Series 2.” The Cambrian Explosion would certainly have been an interesting time period.

And now for Isaac Schultz’s favorite geological epoch…

Coming in a #1… Drum roll, please… The Pleistocene Epoch, 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago… This explains the point to which the Climatariat would like to reverse climate change.

The very best time on Earth. Extremely recent as far as geologic time goes, the Pleistocene was momentous. It’s also the last chapter in which Earth’s climate was untarnished by human changes. Modern humans were around then, though, and we were busy interbreeding with Neanderthals and the Denisovans. The Pleistocene saw the first art, and, perhaps most importantly, woolly mammoths and adorably armored glyptodonts bopped around the cooler stretches of the planet. There were also cave bears, marsupial saber-toothed tigers, and giant ground sloths. At one point, the recent northern glaciers reached as far south as Manhattan. The Pleistocene is a fascinating liminal space between our recorded history and deep time, one that holds many clues to how humans ended up the way we are today.

Gizmodo

Which do you think Isaac hates more? People or capitalism? While it’s nearly impossible to determine the average human life span during the Pleistocene Epoch, the vast majority of fossilized modern humans appear to have died in the range of 20-40 years old (Trinkaus, 2011). If we returned to the Pleistocene, this would be the norm:

“The very best time on Earth.” Science News March 1, 1975

This is how he described the nonexistent Anthropocene:

So here’s where things went wrong. A single species managed to heat and pollute the globe and cause mass extinction

Of course a fake mass extinction fits right into a fake epoch.

However, he loves the Eocene…

Great times. Basically the prequel to the Pleistocene in terms of mammalian domination, the Eocene was the middle epoch of the Paleogene, which came on the heels of asteroid impact that did away with nearly all dinosaurs. 

Marine pCO2 (foram boron δ11B, alkenone δ13C), atmospheric CO2 from plant stomata (green and yellow diamonds with red outlines), Mauna Loa instrumental CO2 (thick red line) and Cenozoic temperature change from benthic foram δ18O (light gray line).
Cenozoic seawater pH from boron isotopes in planktonic foraminifera (modified after Pearson & Palmer, 2000). Note that pH was lower than the PETM 51.5 (EECO) and 59.5 Ma. Note: Older is to the right.  Modern pH data (HOTS, Dore et al., 2009) are posted for comparison.  As with temperatures, the amplitude of the proxy time series on multi-decadal to centennial time-scales should be considered to be the minimum of the true variability on those time-scales, due to the much lower resolution than the instrumental data. Older is towards the right.

Most people who go full retard and babble about the Anthropocene, pine away for the pristine climatic stasis of the Holocene (/SARC). Isaac Schultz goes fuller retard and pines away for the Pleistocene… An epoch in which “pine” trees often had trouble “breathing” (Ward et al., 2005).

For reference, here is the official geologic time scale:

ICS

On my usage of the word “retard”

I’ll let comedian Jim Breuer explain the context. If you don’t want to watch the entire hilarious skit, the most relevant part starts at about the five minute mark…

References

Trinkaus, Erik. Late Pleistocene adult mortality patterns and modern human establishment. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Jan 2011, 108 (4) 1267-1271; DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1018700108

Ward JK, Harris JM, Cerling TE, Wiedenhoeft A, Lott MJ, Dearing MD, Coltrain JB, Ehleringer JR. Carbon starvation in glacial trees recovered from the La Brea tar pits, southern California. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2005 Jan 18;102(3):690-4. doi: 10.1073/pnas.0408315102. Epub 2005 Jan 10. PMID: 15642948; PMCID: PMC544040.

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John Tillman
July 11, 2021 2:14 pm

Much as I miss mammoths, try farming with them around.

Apparently Mr. Schulz doesn’t know that much of the Northern Hemisphere was covered in thick ice sheets for most of the Pleistocene, and that even in the tropics, forests were restricted.

Genetic evidence suggests that at one point in the Late Pleistocene, global modern human population dropped to around 20,000 people.

Farming might have first arisen at the very end of the Pleistocene, but only spread in the Holocene, our current interglacial. It’s possible that rice farming could have started as early as 13 Ka in southern China. The Holocene began 11.7 Ka.

Curious George
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 2:29 pm

We need a diversity in writers. Including retarded ones.

Scissor
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 3:34 pm

The homeless problem in LA would be solved if sabre tooth tigers from the La Brea Tar Pits came back to life.

John Tillman
Reply to  Scissor
July 11, 2021 3:48 pm

Two genera of saber-toothed cat roamed LA. Not to mention American lion, giant jaguar, dire wolf and giant short-faced bear. Or even just grizzlies. American lions were larger than modern lions, with bigger brains.

Not a nylon tent camping-friendly environment.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 7:13 pm

Nor an environment conducive to people jogging or even biking for exercise and entertainment.

John Tillman
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 11, 2021 8:11 pm

Jogging especially bad, since running triggers your average carnivore.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 4:16 am

What? Bicycles aren’t traffic also? Motorists thinking that they are some sort of elites trigger me.

Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Doug Huffman
July 12, 2021 7:44 am

While bicyclists may be equal in the eyes of the law, anyone with an ounce of self-preservation will always keep in mind that an automobile weighs about an order of magnitude more than the bicyclist and their bicycle, and typically travels at higher speeds and takes longer to come to a full stop than a bicycle.

It is not a good strategy to insist on your rights if it will cause your demise!

Ruleo
Reply to  Doug Huffman
July 12, 2021 2:43 pm

When you pay the taxes for the road, then you can bicycle on them. Until then, play your Lance Amstrong roleplaying away from traffic.

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MarkW
Reply to  Doug Huffman
July 12, 2021 3:47 pm

When bicycles can use the roads without forcing everyone else to slow down, then they will be traffic, until then they will remain obstacles.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Scissor
July 12, 2021 6:18 am

That’s always been my “go to” concerning the good ol’ days: “I’m pretty happy that I don’t have to dodge the sabre tooths getting to the subway every day”…

markl
July 11, 2021 2:29 pm

What else would you expect from a religion major?

joe belford
Reply to  markl
July 11, 2021 3:01 pm

Same sort of stuff from a psychology major with a massage cert.

Rich Davis
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 6:02 pm

Wtf is wrong with you Belford? Is Willis on some Soros list for trolls to target?

MarkW
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 11, 2021 7:44 pm

Anyone else notice that the only time joe shows up, is to post something unintelligent on one of David’s posts.

It’s almost like joe just can’t quit David.

joe belford
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 8:42 pm

Anyone else notice that the only time MarkW shows up is to post something dumb?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 7:51 am

MarkW is one of the most insightful regular commenters here. For you to say his comments are dumb says much about you and your intelligence. The essence of stupidity is the inability to recognize it. You and griff demonstrate you have an inability to think things through.

Redge
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 11:54 pm

It’s a bromance, except David isn’t aware of it

Drake
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 7:53 am

Or just all leftists mindless groupthink.

You know, how the MSM always seems to use the chosen anti-conservative or pro Democrat phrase of the day,

TonyG
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 11:11 am

David, I think I agree with Drake here. It’s not that they’re the same person, it’s that they don’t think independently and therefore only regurgitate what they’ve been told to think.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:02 pm

I notice you haven’t disputed the post so far, could it because David has a science degree, thus know Anthropocene that the religion major thinks is a real epoch, is in fact never existed at all.

Maybe you need to slow down here because the religion major is the one who wrote that dumb article…..

joe belford
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 11, 2021 8:44 pm

David’s “science degree” comes from a teacher’s college known for gold diggers looking to date Yale students.

John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 10:08 pm

And yet he’s had a long and successful career as a geologist, helping to find the energy to keep the world going.

PCman999
Reply to  John Tillman
July 12, 2021 12:03 am

And David writes well and I learn something new from each of his articles – whereas the writer picking his favourite Era/period seems to be trying to dumb down the concepts and ends up making an uninteresting article about something he apparently doesn’t really understand. Why would his favourite period in time be when so much death and cold consumed the world? Why not when the dinosaurs ruled the world, which was green from pole to pole and teeming with life? Or if he prefers fur, then the PETM when the world was also a global paradise.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 7:58 am

Even though I only had a BS in Earth Science from “that fine oil school”…

Exceptional people usually find a way to overcome their handicaps. 🙂

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 7:55 am

Your personal animosity towards David, for whatever reason, it getting out of hand. I suggest that you pack it in and find some other hobby to entertain yourself. You aren’t making any constructive contributions with your elitist attitudes.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 9:12 am

So you resort to an attempt at a low blow, despite that YOU failed to show where David is wrong about the post he wrote, you seems to have no argument here aside from fallacies and partisan politics to offer.

Your time here indicate that you have little to offer except side issues that doesn’t pertain much to the topic at hand, suggest that you refocus yourself on the MAIN topic at hand, post any dissenting views based on the topic at hand.

David writes far better than you, making interesting observations and simulates productive conversations, YOU don’t which is why you get a lot of blowback.

TonyG
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 11:13 am
Lrp
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 1:26 pm

David has a science degree, but that’s unimportant in this discussion. What’s important here is that he, unlike you and Schultz, knows what he’s talking about and has common sense.
You just want to troll and exchange insults.

Duker
Reply to  markl
July 11, 2021 4:58 pm

Its a ‘Listicle’.. they get picked up quick smart for syndication.

Interested Observer
Reply to  Duker
July 11, 2021 8:32 pm

“Listicle”? Isn’t that a testicle that leans to one side, mostly to the left?

Redge
Reply to  Interested Observer
July 11, 2021 11:55 pm

And turns green whilst being red on the inside

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Redge
July 12, 2021 4:19 am

Like a watermelon? I’d hate to have to ‘wear’ one. That would require serious atheletic support.

Joel O'Bryan
July 11, 2021 2:41 pm

With a 2018 degree in religious studies and a 2019 degree in journalism tells you about the author on several levels.

  • 1. in 2021 he all of about 24 or 25 years old.
  • 2. he learned nothing about the world from his education.

By #2 I mean the real world where things have to work for people to live and not starve. Things like electricity and fuels to make his food by better people than him and how it all arrives to be at his disposal.

Basically he’s the guy who knows that electricity comes from a plug-socket in the wall and food comes from the grocery store. Don’t ask him to explain beyond that level of abstraction, because he can’t.

In other words, he is exactly the sort of ignoramous that today’s US Socialist-Democrats depend on for votes and to acquire political power on the road to Marxism – a true retard.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 11, 2021 7:17 pm

I wonder if he believes that chocolate milk comes from brown cows? For that matter, I wonder if he even realizes that real milk comes from cows instead of almonds, oats, or soy?

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 11, 2021 7:54 pm

These are the kind of people who think milk comes from stores.

joe belford
July 11, 2021 2:59 pm

“The author has a 2018 bachelors degree in religious studies and a 2019 MS in journalism.” writing about geology.
..
Reminds me of an author with “B.A., Psychology (1975) and California Massage Certificate” writing about climate science.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 5:41 pm

What degree do YOU have?

Snicker…..

joe belford
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 11, 2021 8:45 pm

a Masters in math, how about you?

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 6:16 am

Is that why you can’t make a post that adds up?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 8:03 am

That clearly demonstrates that a degree doesn’t guarantee that a person learns to think from going to college.

Have you considered professional help for your anger and insecurity issues?

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 9:34 am

That is nice, but you failed to realize how I made you look foolish with the question.

Willis is a Polymath, something you don’t get with any college degree itself. It goes beyond college, it comes from the person themselves who are often of a higher intelligence level to be that diverse in learning.

I have a college degree too but I never stopped studying other fields, which for me is History, Natural world with a certified Green Thumb (Have a Garden, Brussel Sprouts and Peas are splendid this year!), Irrigation (Job), Landscaping (Job), Botany, Soils Agronomy, and Astronomy (owned some of the biggest Portable Telescopes in the Northwest, 25″ F5 Obsession from 1996-2010, currently own an 18″ F 4.5, which I have been rebuilding/repairing) People who keep learning are the same people who keep up with the times, which is why I am a True Free Thinking Independent, but not close to being a polymath.

You might have a Math degree, but your replies here indicate to me that you are a partisan based shallow thinker, which is why I haven’t learned anything from you to date.

Simon
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 5:42 pm

If that’s all you got, then I guess that’s all you got.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 11, 2021 7:40 pm

Simon whinning about other people’s lack of degrees. Now that thar is funny.

joe belford
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 8:46 pm

Again MarkW calls kettle black.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 11:04 pm

No I’m agreeing with Joe Belford who is rightly pointing out the lack of credentials for the so called experts here. I mean, let’s face it, most are just keen amateurs, who generally have a rather specific political bias or vested interest in fossil fuels…. Which is fine, but don’t mistake them for leaders in the field.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 12, 2021 6:17 am

Ah yes, the final refuge of the scoundrel.
As always, Simon can’t refute anything written, he just complains that the speakers don’t have the right credentials, therefore must be ignored by all.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  Simon
July 12, 2021 9:38 am

Actually the lack of credentials’ from Isaac Schultz is the primary reason why his article was a smashing failure, it was STUPID!

How come you didn’t know that?

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
July 12, 2021 11:32 am

I suppose you reject all the works of Davy and Faraday, then, since they lacked credentials too?

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 11, 2021 8:09 pm

You still believe in Trump Russia colluuuusion….😉

Derg
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 3:26 am

Lol…you will go to your grave with that fairy tale while oil prices rise making Russia wealthy.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
July 12, 2021 6:18 am

Notice how all he has is some reporter making claims. No actual data.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  Simon
July 12, 2021 9:35 am

That means YOU couldn’t come up with a counterpoint to the post.

It is far more than what YOU got…….

Rich Davis
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 6:12 pm

There are fools who manage to get through college and brag about a piece of paper. They are barely suited to work as drones in some office following directions from others.

Then there are people who can do things in the real world and think independently, who do not depend on a piece of paper to substitute for giving evidence for why their ideas have merit.

I am sure that most people here will have no difficulty sorting Belford, Simon, and Willis into their appropriate categories.

joe belford
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 11, 2021 8:50 pm

There are fools who manage to get through college and brag about a piece of paper””
..
Like the guy that got a BA from Wharton in 1968 (with bone spurs?)

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 10:02 pm

More like the guy who lied about graduating in the top half of his class from Syracuse Law.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-biden-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/

Simon
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 11:50 pm

I did laugh at video of Trump holding the flag the other day mouthing “I love you.” Seems not enough to go and fight.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
July 12, 2021 8:13 am

What rank did you hold in the military, Simon? What gives you the right to criticize Trump?

Not everyone in the military sees combat. Something like 90% are in logistical supporting-roles, supporting those in combat. Each serves in their own way.

Trump has served by being Commander in Chief. That is a step above even being a general. Generals rarely see combat either. Their roles are too important to risk high mortality rates.

Simon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 12, 2021 1:43 pm

Clyde
That is a bout the most pathetic twisted attempt to justify the coward in chiefs draft dodging I have ever seen. Trump wasn’t the commander in chief when he used daddies doctor friend to write him the cowardly note that got him out of the draft. Sad….

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 12, 2021 3:54 pm

Draft dodging?
Once again the only way you can win an argument is by redefining words to fit what you want them to mean.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 12, 2021 4:24 pm

MarkW
So how was what Trump did not draft dodging? He avoided the military draft five times. Four for college and once for “bone spurs.” At the time he was an athlete in college and there had been no record till then of this debilitating condition. The diagnosis came two years after Trump had been declared available for service and passed a physical exam. That is the purest definition of “draft dodging.”
I am happy to consider your version if you know something I missed?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 11:42 am

The diagnosis came two years after …

Did he claim that the problem was congenital? Perhaps his athletic activities caused the condition. In any event, you probably haven’t noticed that one’s body changes over time and that diseases sometimes come and go — and sometimes they just get worse.

It would seem that your irrational hatred of Trump causes you to be irrational. Or, maybe you deal with congenital irrationality.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2021 11:37 am

Trump wasn’t the commander in chief when …

Are you implying that until such time as someone serves in the military they don’t deserve recognition as having courage?

You didn’t answer my question about what position you held in the military that gives you the right to complain about ‘draft dodgers!’

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:41 pm

In other words, you can’t actually refute anything written.

joe belford
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 8:51 pm

You mean about the “consensus” about named geologic epochs? (Middleton had to write an entire post about that)

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Rich Davis
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 3:47 am

I propose to dub him “bats” as in “he has bats in his belfry”

bats belford

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 6:19 am

I see you still don’t understand the difference between science and naming.
Then again, you and Simon have never shown any evidence of being able to understand anything that doesn’t fit into your ideologies.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 8:16 am

How about a consensus that you are a poor loser and politely ask that you go away and annoy someone else?

TonyG
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 11:26 am

Big difference between 2018 degree and 1975 degree – something called “life experience”

July 11, 2021 3:17 pm

I’m still trying to figure out the reason for declaring the start of the Holocene.
The Anthropocene is just politics
I thought geologists would be the last scientists
to fall victim to leftist politics because their heads
were already completely filled up with rocks
(sorry, a real geologist told me that one
at a cocktail party long ago).

Concerning your last article here.
it was very good but a long read..
I couldn’t leave a comment there — the comment
box rarely shows up on my old computer since
this website was reformatted.

Three writers have consistently good articles here
and you are one of them.

This science article with bad guy “Sergeant Schultz”, was entertaining.
For a while I thought he was a fictional character.

In the leftist world, you get a few college degrees and
suddenly you are an “expert” on any subject you feel like
pontificating about !

Stew Green
July 11, 2021 3:18 pm

BBC-Futures is a department that specialises in constructing mad agenda pushing stories
There is so much concrete in the world that soon it will outweigh all living matter – including us. I
In the latest in our *Anthropo-Scene series*,
we explore the material’s global reach, occasional beauty, and unimaginable scale.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210628-concrete-the-material-that-defines-our-age

The writers seem to use a string of PRtrickery techniques
Like the fallacy of comparing apples with oranges, the slippery slope fallacy etc.
Note when the original paper came out in Dec 2020, there was no such story about concrete.
The BBC journo has taken 6 months to dream it up.
Their facebook page has a string of such stories
https://www.facebook.com/BBCFuture/

Rud Istvan
July 11, 2021 3:33 pm

Young New Yorkers should get out more. Money does not grow on trees, milk does not come from bottles, and climate does not come from people/carbon.

joe belford
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 11, 2021 4:15 pm

And Harvard Law gave us Obama

Rud Istvan
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 4:44 pm

And Mitt Romney, and me. You can’t win em all

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 11, 2021 5:37 pm

Harvard even gave us Al Gore before he went to Vanderbilt University Divinity School. Then he switched religions to “climate change”.

joe belford
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 11, 2021 6:19 pm

Gore did not go to Harvard Law

John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 6:41 pm

Correct. Harvard Law doesn’t take C students from Yale. Even if their dad’s are senators in the pay of Communist-controlled Big Oil companies.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:13 pm

Show me where I said he did. He wasn’t smart enough to get into Harvard Law so he went to Vanderbilt Law instead. The man has been a loser from the outset.

His only claim to any knowledge on climate was a short credit course from Roger Revelle (the same Revelle he threw under the bus when Revelle reversed himself years later).

John Tillman
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 11, 2021 8:06 pm

Vanderbilt Divinity, thanks to his dad’s pull. Not Law.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 8:27 pm

It seems Gore has led a life of failure from beginning to the present. Nothing he’s turned his hand to as born fruit except political graft. He has a real nose for the pork barrel (I guess he learned from the best).

joe belford
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 8:56 pm

Classic “whataboutism” Mr. Tillman, you lose.

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 6:20 am

That’s funny, coming from the guy who spends all his time researching other people’s academic credentials.

joe belford
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 11, 2021 8:56 pm

This thread is about Harvard Law, you changed the subject to a different school.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 9:35 pm

You’re confused, Joe … just like the Joe pretending to be the President. This thread is about whatever people want it to be.

MarkW
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 3:56 pm

Fascinating how joe knows more about what this thread is about, than the guy who wrote the thread.

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:46 pm

Nobody said he did. Perhaps if you actually tried to read for comprehension, you would have known that.

rocdoctom
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 11, 2021 7:26 pm

Gore couldn’t hack Divinity School so he went back to the farm. And the report is he got a D in his Intro to Geology class at Harvard, hence his expertise on global warming/climate change

Rory Forbes
Reply to  rocdoctom
July 11, 2021 8:04 pm

Exactly. It was my understanding that Roger Revelle’s course was one of those 2 unit fillers for a science credit. Even then Al failed it. Look up Revelle (one of the big guns in the CO2 hypothesis of climate forcing). He recanted his position at retirement repudiating his CO2 hypothesis, and Gore threw him under the bus as a demented old man.

joe belford
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 11, 2021 6:18 pm

Ted Cruz

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John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 6:41 pm

Alan Dershowitz’ best student in all his decades teaching at Harvard Law.

Too bad that he looks like a possum.

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joe belford
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 8:25 pm

Dershowitz: “Those who can’t do, teach.”

Rory Forbes
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 9:28 pm

Two years after graduating, Dershowitz joined the faculty of Harvard Law School in 1964 and three years later became the youngest law professor to be granted tenure in Harvard University’s history; he retired from teaching in 2013.

He was also notable for successfully practicing law in some very important cases. He can “do” and teach as well as author many books.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 12, 2021 3:06 am

Yeah, but how does he stack up to belford?

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 10:04 pm

You mean like “Con Law” adjunct Obama?

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:47 pm

Who’s been way more successful that you will ever be. And that hurt’s your delicate little ego, doesn’t it.

joe belford
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 8:26 pm

MarkW = pot
.
Calling kettle black.

Rich Davis
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 3:23 am

Joey,
I think mom’s calling you to get off that dang computer and come up from the basement for your chicken nuggets and apple slices.

Mr.
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:03 pm

And Ted Kennedy, until he got kicked out for cheating in an exam.
Hey, they were Democrats – what else would we expect?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mr.
July 11, 2021 7:15 pm

For Democrats, cheating is the preferred means to success. Look how many utter duds seem to get elected.

Mr.
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Or you could become a “community organizer” like Obarmy did.
(whatever t.f. a “community organizer” is)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mr.
July 11, 2021 8:29 pm

I think “community organizer” is another name for sh*t disturber. Obama is no genius … but he had all the necessary credentials for his installation … rather like Biden.

joe belford
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 11, 2021 8:35 pm

Obama was re-elected, Orange Man wasn’t

Rory Forbes
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 9:29 pm

I’m sure you actually believe that … LOL. Hell, you believe AGW, why wouldn’t you? Yeah, Obama “won” the Nobel Peace Prize too. Dear gawd you guys are gullible.

Rich Davis
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 3:25 am

Time to go joe

Dave Fair
Reply to  Mr.
July 11, 2021 11:41 pm

“Community Organizer” is the new name for a Chicago Democrat machine ward heeler; the guy who goes around the neighborhood handing out cash and favors to keep the folks loyal to the machine.

Drake
Reply to  Mr.
July 12, 2021 8:15 am

A community organizer is the leftist new term for the truer to the meaning of their actions “rabble rouser”.

Just as “homeless” is the new leftist term for the truer to the meaning of their actions, “vagrant”.

Come on people, the leftists have been changing terminology to suit their agenda for decades.

And to that point, David, in this post you use the Marxist term “Capitalism” which should only be used when discussing government implemented “crony capitalism”. We should always remember that FREE ENTERPRISE is the economic engine of the world. The freer the better.

joe belford
Reply to  Mr.
July 11, 2021 8:27 pm

Ted Kennedy never went to Harvard Law.

Mr.
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 10:33 pm

Of course.
He was expelled from Harvard for cheating and had to enroll in Virginia to study law.
Your point?

(btw, and speaking of Teddy, no doubt you’ve heard the observation that “more people died at Chappaquiddick than at Gitmo”)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 10:48 pm

Ted Kennedy never went to Harvard Law.

You’re wrong, he went to Harvard College. Then he was kicked out of Harvard Law because his grades were too low and got caught cheating to improve them. His cheating almost disqualified him from getting into Virginia Law, but he had powerful supporters.

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:45 pm

If Harvard Law promises to take him back, the country just might be able to forgive them.

joe belford
Reply to  MarkW
July 11, 2021 8:28 pm

Graduates of Harvard Law make a lot more $$ than Ted Cruz

John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 9:02 pm

Ted is a Harvard Law grad. The highest ranked ever.

MarkW
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 6:23 am

Funny how everything comes down to money with socialists.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 10:35 pm

And Harvard Law gave us Obama

And happy to be rid of him I’m guessing!

Chris Hanley
July 11, 2021 3:35 pm

The good thing about the so-called ‘Anthropocene’ is that no-one is forced to live in it, Isaac has a choice.

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dk_
July 11, 2021 3:38 pm

Substitute greentard for retard.

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Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  dk_
July 11, 2021 7:57 pm

Perhaps gretard would suffice.

Interested Observer
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
July 11, 2021 8:37 pm

How dare you?

dk_
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
July 12, 2021 1:55 pm

Already using nearly that one, Crispin, for a different meaning. Only I substitue letter “u” for your “a.”

J N
July 11, 2021 3:40 pm

Off the Topic

See this nice video fro BBC that makes a good statement about the scientific process. It would be goo to put their own journalists to study this video for hours… mainly those that write about the consensus in climate change…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/why-getting-things-wrong-is-good-for-science/p09mb351

Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 3:41 pm

What exactly is your issue with this article? It is pointless and unscientific but so are all “greatest of all time lists”. But then it is not meant to be taken seriously since I doubt many people would claim that the presence of “adorably armored glyptodonts” is an objective measure of greatness.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 3:59 pm

Well, you appear to be rather embarrassed to see one of your mob writing (yet another) ridiculous article.
Is it all a bit uncomfortable for you?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 11, 2021 4:09 pm

It is ridiculous but no more than any list of greatest movies or greatest sportsmen. It is a personal opinion and people are free to express those and it is clearly meant to drive clicks rather than inform debate. But that is the nature of the web in 2021.

John Tillman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 4:17 pm

I beg to differ. Not all greatest lists are created equal. Some selections are more defensible than others.

Anyone who imagines that life in the Pleistocene was better than in the Holocene should go live on Baffin Island. I regret the loss of Pleistocene megafauna, but human hunter-gatherers simply couldn’t have flourished sharing North America with short-faced bears.
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Izaak Walton
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 4:27 pm

But the article is about which time periods are best for humans so whether or not humans could flourish is irrelevant. If you think that should be the criteria then make your own list.

John Tillman
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 4:39 pm

Did you mean to say “not about which time periods are best for humans”?

Young Mr. Schultz doesn’t offer objective criteria. Granted, greatest movie lists often don’t either, but they’re frequently the result of voting by critics. Which is how you get Casablanca in a six-way tie for 84th, instead of in the top five, where it belongs.

In the same 100 Greatest list, Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles ranked #35 (some put it in the Top Ten) and Vertigo first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sight_%26_Sound_Greatest_Films_of_All_Time_2012

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 8:07 pm

Sorry Izaak, but what?

“…which best time periods are best for humans so whether or not humans could flourish is irrelevant.”

Did you proof read that statement before posting?

That is like saying living in a cardboard box on a street corner is best for humans because your carbon balance is negative. Sure, you are likely to die of health issues, are a burden on the rest of society and are at the bottom of an extremely deep pit if you ever want to climb out and better yourself, but think of the environment and the lack of stress related to car repayments and rent!

Are you trolling or going for the giggles?

Lrp
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 12, 2021 1:51 pm

You mean like David Attenborough’s documentaries?

Derg
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 4:02 pm

Because your ilk keeps pumping this crap out and pushing it out to kids. Teaching kids to hate people. Retarded indeed.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Derg
July 11, 2021 4:12 pm

Where is there any evidence that this article is “teaching kids to hate people”? Or indeed any evidence that kids would be likely to read it for starters? Pointing out that humans have had some negative effects for other species is correct and surely nobody would doubt it.

joe belford
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 4:18 pm

Don’t worry too much Izaak, gizmoto.com has an Alexa rank of about 1600, whereas WUWT has a rank of 99,000. So the effect this site has isn’t all that great.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 5:21 pm

Only retards use Alexa, hence rankings

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 5:56 pm

joe b,
Besides spelling, the major difference being that WUWT knows something about objective science . . . gizmodo.com, almost nothing.

But you’re exactly right, the effect WUWT has on posers isn’t all that great.

joe belford
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 11, 2021 6:27 pm

LOL “objective”…….from a site that touts News and Commentary. No impact factor here.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 7:04 pm

Then why do you spend so much time here….?

LOL.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 6:21 pm

This is what I got when I pasted the URL.

Gizmoto.com

Buy now for: $3,595

Questions? Talk to a domain expert: 1-303-893-0552

HA HA HA HA HA……

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  joe belford
July 11, 2021 8:52 pm

G’Day Joe,

“… gizmoto.com has an Alexa rank of about 1600, whereas WUWT has a rank of 99,000. So the effect this site has isn’t all that great.”

“… this site …” – which site? Not being familiar with Alexa ratings, I looked it up:

The 1 month rank is calculated using a combination of average daily visitors and pageviews over the past month. The site with the highest combination of visitors and pageviews is ranked #1.

I know, picky, but I misread it the first time.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  joe belford
July 12, 2021 2:32 am

Gizmodo ranking so highly just goes to show there are a lot of thick people on the internet.

Derg
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 4:40 pm

You never point out the positive. You are sick!

John Dilks
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 6:32 pm

All species have some negative effects for other species. It is the way of life and does need to be used to belittle humans.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Dilks
July 11, 2021 6:45 pm

A survey of bushbabies and monkeys near chimp gangs would agree that chimps are the worst of all species.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 8:20 pm

Who does read gizmodo?
Is there a an age survey? Any other reader info?

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 11, 2021 7:48 pm

Beyond being pointless, it’s wrong and incredibly stupid.
So I’m not surprised to find out that you are defending it.

Scissor
July 11, 2021 3:41 pm

Gizmodo sounds like a disease from taking too much Viagra.

Gary Pearse
July 11, 2021 4:18 pm

“Anthropocene : Not an epoch, …”

Not yet David! The totalitarians like the Taliban are very patient. They start off, say, as the janitor and after five years or so his handlers get him a minor in geology. He applies for a vacant secretary’s job a rung or two up. As he (or whomever) clmbs the hierarchy, if he runs into resistance, he complains of racist nepotism to the Human Resources fairness committee and they give this ‘victimized’ colleague the assistant to the president job.

As you know HR already runs the show at large companies, Institutions, scientific orgs (Physics, Chemistry etc – APS, ACS, Science journal, etc..) Once in the executive suite they fill it up with totality folk. Witness the Meteorological Association climate statement that only a minority of members agree with.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 11, 2021 7:27 pm

It was our HR director that made it clear to me that it was time to retire. The power goes to their head.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David Middleton
July 12, 2021 8:24 am

After I had personally informed the director that I had decided to retire at the end of the month, I received an email from head of HR informing me that she wanted to talk with me in person. I went down to her office and she said, “What’s this I hear about you retiring?” I replied, “Yes, that’s right.” Her angry response was, “Not from here you aren’t!” It turns out I was more familiar with the vesting regulations than she was. I retired at the end of the month!

PaulH
July 11, 2021 4:48 pm

The author has a 2018 bachelors degree in religious studies and a 2019 MS in journalism.

Maybe the poor fellow was thinking of his Plasticine Epoch.

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Gary Pearse
July 11, 2021 4:56 pm

David, here is a way to back the totalitarians off the Anthropocene. Since the Great Greening and bumper harvests are the only palpable sign of climate change, propose the Anthropocene based on the huge beneficial global bounty of fossil fuel emissions. Have a group assess the giant positive benefits. The totality folk probably have ‘cost’ figures for loss of habitat, species decline, loss of harvests etc. Reversing this and expanding habitat would give a a multi trillion plus for carbon. They avoid talking much about the Great Greening except for an occasional, poorly thought out drive-by “this thing is bad” article. Polar bears are increasing in numbers, the Bengal tiger increased 18% in numbers in India and 10% in the Ganges delta in Bangladesh.

H. D. Hoese
July 11, 2021 4:58 pm

Thanks for the geological pH reference. OA stimulated lots of research, nonsense like recent plume study, some new sublethal effects and physiology understanding. Two of many examples, second reference found that predicted will be way above lethal, sublethal only concern, not much. I worked some with estuarine critters almost acid, least of their worries.

Waldbusser, G. G., B. Hales and B. A. Haley. 2016. Calcium carbonate saturation state: on myths and this or that stories. ICES Journal Marine Science.73(3):563–568, https://doi.org/10.1093/icesjms/fsv174

Ishimatui, A., T. Kikkawa, M. Ayashi, K.-S. Lee and J. Kita. 2004. Effects of CO2 on marine fish larvae and adults. Journal of Oceanography. 60:731-741.

Gordon A. Dressler
July 11, 2021 5:40 pm

Not really discussed in the above article, and hard to see from the graph above plotting paleoclimatology reconstructions of atmospheric CO2 levels over time, it should be noted that more precise data analyses have indicated the atmospheric CO2 levels during the ~2.5 million-year duration of the Pleistocene ranged from a dangerous-to-plant-life-survival low of about 150 ppm to (guess what!) a high at about today’s level of about 420 ppm.
Ref: “Low CO2 levels of the entire Pleistocene epoch”, J. Da, et. al., Nature Communications, 25 Sept 2019, free download at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12357-5

How was that possible without humans around burning vast quantities of wood, coal, oil/gasoline, and natural gas?

From the above article, I am glad to see that Gizmodo’s “science” writer, Isaac Schultz, thinks that today’s CO2 levels are within the range of those established for his most favorite, “the very-best-time-on-Earth” epoch.

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Alexander
July 11, 2021 5:45 pm

“Woke” is the politically correct term for “retard.”

Clyde Spencer
July 11, 2021 7:10 pm

I think that we may have finally been offered a clue on the real identity of griff! Could there possibly be two people as dense as Schultz?

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 11, 2021 8:23 pm

Griff- The enigma that keeps on giving!
As the poster boy-girl-whatever for inane statements extolling the bright, glorious future of unreliables!
What would we do without his-her- whatever’s humorous posts to laugh incessantly at?
At least there is a semblence of consistency there-like molasses, or something….

Regards,

MCR

MarkW
July 11, 2021 7:35 pm

It’s also the last chapter in which Earth’s climate was untarnished by human changes.

And there they go, giving the game away.
Any change, if it’s caused by man, is by definition evil.

Craig from Oz
July 11, 2021 8:09 pm

Gizmodo still has a successful business model?!

MarkW
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 12, 2021 6:27 am

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Mike Dubrasich
July 11, 2021 8:19 pm

Ignoring all the above comments (hope you aren’t offended), the Miocene has always been my favorite epoch. Besides hosting all the cute animals we love, the Miocene had nice warmth, four seasons, minimal glaciation, plenty of green trees, angiosperms, grassy prairies, sunny beaches, and tropical breezes.

It’s too bad there were no humans to enjoy it. If I had a time machine, that’s where I’d go.

The Miocene was followed by the Pliocene/Pleistocene with crushing continental ice sheets, a paucity of CO2, struggling plants and animals, mass extinctions, enormous deserts, multi-millennial droughts, global dust storms, and challenges to Life Itself. A neo-chimp with learning skills managed to eke out an existence by adapting to eating almost anything, if it was cooked, and thereby withstood the challenges, barely. Vicissitude (not necessity) is the mother of invention, and vicissitudes abounded in the Pleistocene.

The Holocene is a brief respite, a rare interglacial hiatus, because we’re still enmeshed in the Pleistocene. It’s sad, tragic even, that the Miocene ended. If we could resuscitate it, then we should. Warmer Is Better.

John Tillman
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
July 11, 2021 9:05 pm

Our great ape ancestors enjoyed the Miocene, with a greatly expanded range over today’s.

bonbon
July 12, 2021 3:37 am

A degree in religion, sure the religion of Parson Malthus, who’s church is head today by QEII.
A look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
shows he was a Ninth Wrangler in Mathematics.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population for Malthus on religion.

His Essay is the original modelling escapade gone to the dogs. All the later models are religiously cloned from this Wrangler of Cambridge.
In 1805, Malthus became Professor of History and Political Economy at the East India Company College . His students affectionately referred to him as “Pop”, “Population”, or “web-toe” Malthus. This is the very seat of Adam Smith, the often adored ‘economist’ by Marx and capitalists alike.
A look at Adam Smith, so revered today, shows the religiosity rampant in Woke and ‘conservative’ alike.
Time to abandon Neo-feudal economic mysticism, and have a look at

The National System of Political Economyhttps://archive.org/details/NationalSystemOfPoliticalEconomyFriedrichList

where the American System (rarely understood today) is contrasted with the Adam Smith stuff.
Refreshing separation of church and state!

bonbon
Reply to  bonbon
July 12, 2021 4:36 am
Sara
July 12, 2021 5:41 am

“the Eocene ranks lower than the Pleistocene for sheer lack of woolly mammoths and Neanderthals.” – idjit statement from Schmertz.

He’s ignoring the very real evidence of a multitude of hominids, including the Denisovans (last seen about 200,000 years ago, probably overwhelmed by Cro Magnons), who were gracile and walked upright and knew how to hunt. They built campfires where they prepped the prey they had killed and taught their young ones how to use hunting weapons like javelins. And they are NOT the only ones like that group of hominids.

What a sorry, narrow, limited view of the past this uninformed idjit must have.

Bruce Cobb
July 12, 2021 7:04 am

We live during the Retardocene. Witness the Alarmists flapping their gums about a non-existent “climate crisis”, and their attempts at destroying economies worldwide, making everyone poorer in the process. Governments, NGOs, science organizations, “scientists”, schools etc. have all gone full retard.
Imagine, if you will, that it’s around the year 2050. Climate hysteria is long gone, and in fact, the climate has reverted to one more resembling the LIA. The Retardocene will be regarded as the period of time between around 1990 to 2030 (or perhaps earlier). Of course, the groundwork for the Retardocence will have been laid earlier, and its tenacious grip on humanity will not vanish overnight. The slight warmup period after the LIA, covering some 150 years along with the concurrent rise in CO2 will be correctly viewed as entirely beneficial to man, and to nature. Of course some retards will always claim the opposite. They will be relegated to the role of flat-earthers, and be either laughed at or ignored.

TonyG
July 12, 2021 8:55 am

So his pristine untarnished world where “At one point, the recent northern glaciers reached as far south as Manhattan.” is preferable to the present?

Or does he prefer the the “great times” of the Eocene where CO2 and temperatures were higher than today?

From that chart it looks like both CO2 and temperatures are a lot lower than they’ve been in the past, so what really is the problem?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  TonyG
July 12, 2021 11:10 am

He seems unaware that the glaciers reached southern Ohio. They probably didn’t teach that in his religious studies.

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