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Michael Mann: Russian Web Bots are Causing Climate Activists to Fight Each Other

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Michael Mann, the main obstacle to climate action is a coalition of Russian robots, Saudis, fossil fuel tycoons, Rupert Murdoch, Wikileaks and climate deniers.

Climatologist Michael E Mann: ‘Good people fall victim to doomism. I do too sometimes’

Jonathan Watts
@jonathanwatts
Sun 28 Feb 2021 03.00 AEDT

The author and eminent climate scientist on the deniers’ new tactics and why positive change feels closer than it has done in 20 years

Who is the enemy in the new climate war?
It is fossil fuel interests, climate change deniers, conservative media tycoons, working together with petrostate actors like Saudi Arabia and Russia. I call this the coalition of the unwilling.

If you had to find a single face that represents both the old and new climate war it would be Rupert Murdoch. Climate change is an issue the Murdoch press has disassembled on for years. The disinformation was obvious last year, when they blamed arsonists for the devastating Australian bushfires. This was a horrible attempt to divert attention from the real cause, which was climate change. Murdoch was taken to task by his own son because of the immorality of his practices.

We also have to recognise the increasing roles of petrostate actors. Saudi Arabia has played an obstructionist role. Russia has perfected cyber warfare and used it to interfere in other countries and disrupt action on climate change. MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow has made a credible case about Russia’s efforts to hijack the 2016 presidential election and get Trump elected. Russia wanted to end US sanctions that stood in the way of a half-trillion-dollar deal between Rosneft and ExxonMobil. It worked. Who did Trump appoint as his first secretary of state? Rex Tillerson, the former CEO of ExxonMobil.

Today Russia uses cyberware – bot armies and trolls – to get climate activists to fight one another and to seed arguments on social media. Russian trolls have attempted to undermine carbon pricing in Canada and Australia, and Russian fingerprints have been detected in the yellow-vest protests in France.Advertisement

And WikiLeaks? Your book suggests they were involved?
I’m not an expert but there has been a lot of investigative journalism about the role they played in the 2016 election. Julian Assange and WikiLeaks helped Donald Trump get elected, and in doing that they did the bidding of Putin. Their fingerprints are also all over the climategate affair 10 years ago. UK investigators have evidence of Russian involvement in that too.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/27/climatologist-michael-e-mann-doomism-climate-crisis-interview

I’ve got news for you Mann, climate activists don’t need our help to fall out with each other. Just look at the fight between Michael Moore and the rest of the climate community over his anti-renewable energy eco-epic “Planet of the Humans”. Or that hilarious time Naomi Oreskes called James Hansen a “denier”, because of a disagreement over nuclear power.

Of course it helps that Michael Moore is part of the climate denier conspiracy. Moore’s “Planet of the Humans” insider attack against renewable energy and the climate establishment was a maskirovka master stroke.

The truth is the previous paragraph is a joke, Michael Moore is not an agent of fossil fuel interests, as far as I know. But do climate activists trust me to tell the truth? Maybe some of them will think I’m mocking climate activists by parading a snippet of the truth, then laughing about it, expecting nobody to believe my reveal.

What do you think, Michael Mann?

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Scissor
February 28, 2021 6:01 pm

He would look better with a mask.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Scissor
February 28, 2021 6:09 pm

….. or, better still, a brown paper bag.

Where did the Koch brothers go? I think one passed away, but surely they’re still responsible for deliberately frying the planet along with the children, not to mention the polar bears.

Is this climate clown show coming to an end …… please ??

Scissor
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 6:24 pm

Paper or plastic?

Dean
Reply to  Scissor
February 28, 2021 8:24 pm

Obviously not single use plastic.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Scissor
February 28, 2021 8:40 pm

Do scissors cut plastic or rocks?

Abolition Man
Reply to  Scissor
February 28, 2021 8:40 pm

Plastic with duct tape; it doubles as a viral protection to be worn at all times!

Pop Piasa
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 6:30 pm

I think the clown show might be reaching a new level of ridiculous just in time to get voted out if the Newsom recall happens. I think 2 years of this progressive despotism will convince anyone with a lick of horse sense that climate changes, always has, always will and adaptation is far more sensible than some theoretical attempt at mitigation which just happens to enable the biggest transfer of wealth in history. The progressives plan to crash the western world and necessitate world government. Truly woke folks see it plain as day.

MarkW
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 1, 2021 8:42 am

How many years has it been since Grey Davis was kicked out?

John Tillman
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 6:54 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koch

A great American who in 2019 left behind a beautiful widow and three children, worth tens of billions of Yankee dollars.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 7:51 pm

As a skeptic, I am proud to be in such distinguished company as Russian robots, oil company tycoons, Robert Murdoch, various and sundry low life mouth breathing knuckle dragging slack jawed eye glazed denialists, because the unthinkable alternative would be to cede my right to reason, and join the lemmings as they are herded towards the cliff edge. Maybe David Attenborough would record our mass demise as the grand finale of his life’s lie.

henry Chance
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 7:53 pm

Koch (bros 2-1) own John Zink Hamsworthy the combustion engineering pollution control giant. They can clean your smokestack/exhaust. But it is expensive and the Chinese for example turn off their pollution control technology.
Koch had 4 sons and I met the dad in the 60’s.

Reply to  Scissor
February 28, 2021 6:35 pm

How about on a wanted poster for assassinating science.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 12:41 am

He’d look better if he squared-up Dr Tim Ball.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2021 6:15 am

According to Michael Mann the villain, the main obstacle to climate action getting away with it is a coalition of Russian robots anonymous hackers, Saudis international boogeymen, fossil fuel tycoons people with jobs, Rupert Murdoch real news, Wikileaks those pesky kids, and climate deniers critical thinkers. And they would have got away with it too.

taz1999
Reply to  Robert W Turner
March 1, 2021 4:04 pm

Darn ruskies must be made of CO2. Ruskies effect everything, all the time, and there’s nothing they can’t do…

Richard Chenoweth
February 28, 2021 6:05 pm

moore looney tunes.

Gordon A. Dressler
February 28, 2021 6:12 pm

Hey, Michael Mann . . . didn’t you forget to mention the Vogon Constructor fleet?

Neo
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
March 1, 2021 9:59 am

.. and our new Reptilian Overlords

Tom Halla
February 28, 2021 6:13 pm

Mann is definitely down the rabbit hole.

Editor
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 28, 2021 6:18 pm

I was thinking something similar, Tom…along the lines of he’s bat poo crazy.

Regards,
Bob

Tom Halla
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
February 28, 2021 6:24 pm

After MacIntyre and McKittrick demolished the “hockey stick” MBH 98 paper, Mann seemed to double down on his original claims. Mann really does seem impervious to evidence.

Mr.
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 28, 2021 8:18 pm

In the Guardian article, Mann said this –

This was part of a larger effort to discredit the science of climate change that is arguably the most well-funded, most organised PR campaign in history.

His delusion is that he thinks he was talking about skepticism, instead of the “settled science”

Jit
Reply to  Mr.
March 1, 2021 12:44 am

Well-funded PR? Mann has been pumping out his opinions about World Climate War Two on outlets with vast audiences, including the prime BBC breakfast radio show. I have yet to see or hear anything other than softball questions. No doubt all this will do wonders for his sales.

MarkW
Reply to  Mr.
March 1, 2021 8:44 am

If it is so well funded and organized, surely Mickey would have no trouble actually documenting it?
Of course he never does, he just keeps declaring that it must exist.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Mr.
March 1, 2021 3:09 pm

See my 2012 WUWT guest thread, “Notes From Skull Island – why climate skeptics aren’t ‘well funded and well organized’”

If our side were well funded and well organized, as warmists charge, it would have the following 22 characteristics–which it doesn’t.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/16/notes-from-skull-island-why-skeptics-arent-well-funded-and-well-organized/ 

Redge
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
February 28, 2021 11:44 pm

I was going to say Mann has lost it but I don’t think he ever found it

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Redge
March 2, 2021 1:02 am

Time he was sectioned.

Voltron
February 28, 2021 6:20 pm

Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian bot

MarkW
Reply to  Voltron
March 1, 2021 8:45 am

That’s pretty much the mantra of all progressives.

Hugs
Reply to  Voltron
March 2, 2021 3:34 am

Absolutely. And conspiracist. I only spread facts, like Trump killed 500,000 Americans to Covid on purpose, deviously overriding resistance by state-level leaders such as Cuomo & DeBlasio, Trump is a neo-N**i, CPAC used Odan symbolism on stage, and so on. Like just keeping to the established, solid facts.

And Climate Change is a Fact! You can’t argue! Science! Science is the belief in the consensus of the experts!

Mike
February 28, 2021 6:23 pm

Does anyone even listen to this bloke anymore?
His stupidification is complete..

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Mike
March 1, 2021 6:18 am

He finds fingerprints everywhere. He really should upgrade his technology and look for DNA.

niceguy
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 2, 2021 12:25 pm

I wonder why Mueller couldn’t find a use for his talent…

Al Miller
February 28, 2021 6:24 pm

the fact that this person holds a position at a university tells me what a joke our institutions have become.

Reply to  Al Miller
February 28, 2021 6:34 pm

The fact that this is the kind of person who teaches young pliable minds how to fabricate support for an emotionally supported political agenda is a bad omen for our future.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Al Miller
March 1, 2021 12:02 am

Hey!
Not everyone gets to type a letter saying “I won the Nobel Prize” and pin it to their office door.
Think of the children.

George Daddis
Reply to  Alan Robertson
March 1, 2021 8:28 am

My tennis partner for a decade worked in Asheville side by side with some Climate notables (e.g. Karl). He received the same IPCC letter as Mike for his contributions, but the difference was he tried to hide the fact.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Al Miller
March 1, 2021 4:40 am

Back when I was looking at colleges and universities to apply to, Penn State College was considered a great place to go if you planned to major in PhyEd…. Serious students looked elsewhere. Just naming it a university has not really changed the place all that much has it?

Steve E.
Reply to  Al Miller
March 1, 2021 6:18 am

… and what a joke “peer review” has become.

George Daddis
Reply to  Al Miller
March 1, 2021 8:25 am

This is exactly what Simberg and Styne described and were then sued by MM; the whitewash Penn State gave to abuse allegations and subsequently to the Mann inquiry – that the money brought in by the two (very different) programs some how was evidence that the programs were well regarded and thus the charges must be false.
Of course the Penn State President went to prison for that judgement.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Al Miller
March 1, 2021 3:15 pm

Hw’s also a bigshot in the Skeptical Inquirer ecosystem, and recently received a very (formerly) prestigious award from some prestige institution. What laugh it’ll be on them if the Pranksters on Olympus turn down the temperature dial!

February 28, 2021 6:24 pm

It seems to me that the main obstacle to climate action is the lack of legitimate scientific support that anything needs to be done.

Mike
Reply to  co2isnotevil
February 28, 2021 8:55 pm

Agreed. If the chips were really down, people would be interested, however the only chips down seem to be the ones dribbling down Michael Mann’s shirt.

dodgy geezer
Reply to  co2isnotevil
March 1, 2021 2:10 am

That doesn’t actually seem to be an obstacle. Illegitimate science works quite well on politicians…

Reply to  dodgy geezer
March 1, 2021 9:36 am

It may work to a limited extent, but defying the laws of physics is unsustainable. The push back will never end until climate science is reformed.

Don
Reply to  co2isnotevil
March 1, 2021 2:47 pm

Yes that is a knotty one ! But the models don’t lie , all 76 of them even though the vast majority of them are way off the actual mark . Ironically the one that follows the actual climate the closest is the Russian one . Ha Ha Ha Ha !
. These climate change prostitutes are determined that climate change has the potential to destroy mankind no matter the lack of evidence in the real world and they will drive the world’s economies back into the stone age to prove it .
What really bothers me is not climate change , but the number of people and worse advanced nations Governments who seem to accept the insane narrative that climate change is an existential threat to mankind . Despite nothing has indicated this for at least 30-40 years since the scare started apart from natural waxing and wanings of many systems .

Sweet Old Bob
February 28, 2021 6:28 pm

M.M.
” I’m not an expert ….”
We know that !
😉

Dennis G Sandberg
February 28, 2021 6:28 pm

Michele Mann, is to climate what Paul Krugman, Emeritus Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton, is to economics.

Neither of them can possibly be as stupid as their remarks. I have to believe they provide their drivel solely to get published and reap the financial rewards that comes from the liberal MSM worship, knowing full well it’s all bull feathers.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
February 28, 2021 6:53 pm

“Michele Mann, is to climate what Paul Krugman, Emeritus Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton, is to economics.”

I think that is an excellent comparison. Two guys who are pruported to be intelligent but spew some of the most clueless drivel you ever heard.

It’s like listening to AOC talk. Nonsense all the way down.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2021 8:32 am

What’s really mind-boggling is that Krugman, for example, has been consistently wrong in his prognostications for many years, yet is still held up and looked to as an “expert” to make predictions about future trends.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  TonyG
March 1, 2021 12:30 pm

“…  has been consistently wrong in his prognostications …”

In one of Dr. Laurence Peters books he gives the following stories:

If a businessman gives the same problem to five different economists, he’ll get five different answers, six if one of them went to Harvard.

and:

Find me a one-armed economist – I’m sick and tired of hearing “On the other hand …”.

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
February 28, 2021 8:45 pm

It’s rather like Noam Chomsky struggling with economics when he should have stayed with linguistics. Thee poor guy just can’t wrap his great brain around the fact that no iteration of socialism works. He still believes he can pick up a turd by the clean end.

MarkG
February 28, 2021 6:29 pm

The left have banished pretty much everyone on the right who isn’t controlled opposition from social media.

As every sane person knows, when there’s no-one on the right for the left to attack, they start to eat each other. So that very success has become their downfall; they need someone to hate, and the only people remaining are other leftists.

Gary Ashe
February 28, 2021 6:33 pm

Mad Mickey lost the plot several years ago, he has always suffered from bunker mentality and been a confirmed conspiracy theorist which of course like Leftie wworth his salt he projects on to those that call out psuedo science and his tree ring circus.

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Pauleta
February 28, 2021 6:34 pm

I can confirm that, I am a Russian bot.

Fraizer
Reply to  Pauleta
February 28, 2021 6:48 pm

That’s just what we would expect a Russian Bot to say.

gringojay
Reply to  Pauleta
February 28, 2021 7:01 pm

Myself, the issue is different.

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Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Pauleta
March 1, 2021 5:14 am

Da.

Mr.
February 28, 2021 6:34 pm

I’m completely supportive of the msm giving Mann as much rope as possible to spruik his human-caused climate armageddon bs.

After all, unbridled exposure of perfidy to the general populace is what usually brings charlatans undone.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Mr.
February 28, 2021 6:58 pm

As I’ve said before:

He is the very model of a modern useful idiot
He’s got lots of bogus data for the UN Secretariat

From the Pirates of Penn State, a Comic Opera

Abolition Man
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 8:21 pm

Are they Ice Pirates?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Abolition Man
February 28, 2021 8:57 pm

Here’s the production with Kevin Kline and Linda Ronstadt …



Derge
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 5, 2021 12:16 am

These Ice Pirates 😉

https://youtu.be/B-YZ8WOU1-w

Rory Forbes
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 28, 2021 8:47 pm

Oh, well played that man … applause!

Abolition Man
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 28, 2021 9:54 pm

Thanks, Rory!
That brings back happy, old time, family memories; I believe my father was in a production of “Pirates…” put on by our church choir when I was a kid.
I have always prefered “The Mikado,” especially the TV production with Groucho Marx that was a family staple in my youth; and many believe that Josephine Marcus first traveled to Tombstone as part of a troupe performing “H.M.S.Pinafore” where she met Wyatt while living with sheriff Johnny Behan!
There you have it; six degrees of Wyatt Earp!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Abolition Man
February 28, 2021 10:43 pm

I played bit parts in “HMS Pinafore” and “Ruddigore” in high school (60 years ago). I’ve loved Gilbert and Sullivan ever since and seen productions, professional and private in London, New York, Toronto, Vienna, Cologne and here. Oddly, I knew that about Wyatt Earp.

Yes, it sure does bring back old times and better times.

TonyG
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 8:34 am

I have always prefered “The Mikado,”

I’ve got a little list…

philincalifornia
Reply to  Rory Forbes
March 1, 2021 7:47 am

Thank you, thank you. Aside from the little parasol to ward off either the man-made global heating or the global raining, the lyrics are just so apt:

I’m very well acquainted too with matters mathematical
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical
About binomial theorem I’m teeming with a lot o’ news—
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse

Chorus

With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypote-pote-nuse

February 28, 2021 6:38 pm

Because the whole Global warming-Climate Change boondoggle is based on lies, there is great scope for interpretation and disagreement amongst the Warmistas. Add in a natural tendency to aggressiveness and pugnaciousness b y Greenies,and nothing further is needed for conflict. Non-Warmistas can sit back and enjoy the fights.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
February 28, 2021 8:44 pm

aggression and pugnacity?

ThunderChicken
February 28, 2021 6:46 pm

EcoVangelist Elmer Fudd hath spoken!

Tom Abbott
February 28, 2021 7:03 pm

From the article: “MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow has made a credible case about Russia’s efforts to hijack the 2016 presidential election and get Trump elected.”

Mann said this in the last few days? After Trump has been completely exonnerated of colluding with the Russians over the 2016 election? It was the Obama-Biden FBI and Justice Department that were the real people trying to hijack the 2016 election.

Obviously, Michael Mann is not very well-informed about current events. Or, I suppose he could be deliberately lying to try to make the Russians look like a likely suspect for turning alarmists against each other. If the Russians can do it to an election, then they can do it to alarmists.

Poor alarmists. They are under attack from the Russians. And Trump!

Michael Mann reminds me of the Red Skelton tv character who used to duck from imaginary diving birds. The character would declare: “There’s another flock of them!”.

Derg
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 28, 2021 7:34 pm

Trump Russia colluuuusion….the fake news mother of all fake news.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Derg
February 28, 2021 8:43 pm

Shhhh! Don’t talk about it too loud or the FBI might hear you!

Abolition Man
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 28, 2021 8:17 pm

It was going well until he cited Rachel Maddow as making a credible case for the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax! Then, after I picked myself up off the floor and found no major injuries, I stopped and said to myself: “ A. Man, A. Man, this Mickey Mann is nucking futz!
Citing Maddow is like citing Adam “Schifty” Schiff as an expert on Trump impeachment evidence, or Eric “Farty” Swalwell on Chinese security concerns!
I think philincalifornia may have hit the nail on the head; the DemoKKKrats are being transformed into a Monte Python version of a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta! There are powerful forces at work here that seem to be making fools out of alarmists and their allies! This demands much further study and research; I’d better open another bottle of whiskey!

David A
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2021 3:15 am

Michael Mann, now and forever, ” defending the indefensible”.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2021 8:39 am

I thought that questioning the integrity of an election was sedition?

philincalifornia
Reply to  TonyG
March 1, 2021 3:58 pm

If you once read a book about anyone who had a gun, it’s insurrection.

Dakota
February 28, 2021 7:04 pm

On a serious note, Dr. Mann seems to have increasingly gone off the rails. His claims and rants have become more and more bizarre. Perhaps this is a result of his growing desperation in attempting to defend his indefensible pseudo-science. I seriously believe that he has a delusional mental health problem. It is time for an intervention. He really is a victim of the claims of climate change.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Dakota
March 1, 2021 2:21 am

Yeah a victim of climate change.

Neo
Reply to  Dakota
March 1, 2021 10:23 am

Your “street cred” is only good for so long

philincalifornia
Reply to  Dakota
March 1, 2021 4:00 pm

Maybe he could become the first climate refugee and f-off to somewhere without the internet. Will anyone miss him?

Richard M
February 28, 2021 7:07 pm

With the Earth cooling fast from the recent ENSO induced peak the situation is only going to get worse for pseudo-science activists like Mann. No new ENSO peaks on the horizon which means quick cooling could last throughout 2021. Coming up soon we will see the PDO and AMO move into negative territory which will then increase the cooling.

Of the claimed 1 C of warming we could very easily see much of it disappear. Don’t think he will be hanging around for many interviews in a few years. People would just point and laugh. He will become a mocked Mann.

Neo
Reply to  Richard M
March 1, 2021 10:26 am

They will back up a Type 78 Tracked Carrier next to a weather station in the Arctic .. and new warming records

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Roger Knights
Reply to  Richard M
March 1, 2021 3:24 pm

Maybe he’ll switch to Global Cooling alarmism.

Anon
February 28, 2021 7:12 pm

When I see something as completely erroneous and nutty as that explanation, it really makes me doubt that Mann is a scientist at all. And the first part of any battle is to know your opponent, so with that kind of analysis, I actually feel safer as a climate skeptic, knowing Mann is off like Don Quixote, tilting at windmillsand far from my door / office. He is absolutely unhinged… which only makes me believe his science is unhinged as well. (sigh)

До свидания (lol)

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Anon
March 1, 2021 12:25 pm

Make that paid unhinged science, with benefits and honors also unhinged

harry
February 28, 2021 7:13 pm

Someone needs to build a Michael Mann cuckoo clock.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  harry
March 1, 2021 2:23 am

He is a cuckoo clock…

JCalvertN(UK)
February 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Isn’t Mann exhibiting “Conspiracist Ideation”? Maybe he should pay a visit to his shrink – namely the expert on the field of Recursive Fury and Conspiracist Ideation” – Dr Stephan Lewandowsky.

Tom
February 28, 2021 7:30 pm

“Russian trolls have attempted to undermine carbon pricing in Canada and Australia”

Russians would want the opposite. Forcing Canadian and Australian energy companies to pay stupid and exorbitant taxes will increase the break-even costs (already very high for Canadian Oil Sands projects) even higher, reducing competition for Russia’s energy exports.

Are we certain that Mann himself isn’t a Chinese/Russian hybrid AI bot/troll bent on destroying Western democracy and capitalism? He just spouts random incoherent nonsense.

February 28, 2021 7:36 pm

MIKEY MANN AND MIKEY MOORE….TWO UNFUNNY COMEDIANS. Mikey can’t prove this Russian bot thing or the CO2 thingy. Mikeys are bad people.

MarkH
February 28, 2021 7:37 pm

Michael ….I have to ask…. are the Russian Web Bots in the room with us right now?

Independent
Reply to  MarkH
March 1, 2021 12:41 am

He can see them like Greta can see CO2…

ResourceGuy
Reply to  MarkH
March 1, 2021 12:35 pm

+25

wadesworld
February 28, 2021 7:39 pm

From the mind of the man who thought it would be a good idea to create a fake Nobel prize for himself.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  wadesworld
March 1, 2021 12:17 am

And who thought he could get away with bogus statistics.

Streetcred
February 28, 2021 8:03 pm

This is what the early onset of dementia looks like.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Streetcred
February 28, 2021 9:57 pm

Do you really think dementia? I was thinking delusions or paranoid ideation!

lee
February 28, 2021 8:30 pm

“an issue the Murdoch press has disassembled on for years”. They disassembled climate change? A remarkable achievement. 😉

And fancy blaming arsonists for lighting fires. Climate change did that all by itself. :0

Chris Hanley
Reply to  lee
February 28, 2021 9:36 pm

Mann himself is ‘disassembling’, at the link it is clear that The Australian editorial (at a further link) mentions a number of contributory factors including “… the strong positive Indian Ocean Dipole effect and a rare Sudden Stratospheric Warming event …”.

Herbert
Reply to  lee
March 1, 2021 5:09 pm

lee,
It is also clear that The Guardian “disassembled “ its spell checker or its sub-editors.

A G Foster
February 28, 2021 8:36 pm

Belief in climate doom is more important than its prevention. Oreskes called Hansen a denier for advocating nuclear energy, and Mann stands with Oreskes. No doubt Hansen is in the pocket of nuclear energy and Oreskes is in the pocket of Big Oil, or the Russians, or whatever. –AGF

Abolition Man
February 28, 2021 8:38 pm

Which is stranger? That Mickey Mann thinks that Russian bots and trolls are out to get him and his ilk; or that the Grauniad actually printed his paranoid diatribe?
You could tell from his lawsuits that this guy had a deep streak of persecuting paranoia inside; now it looks like the thought pathogens are spreading throughout his brain, making him spout weirder and weirder stuff as his hallucinations intensify!
So he thinks President Trump deregulating the energy industry, lowering prices and creating tens of thousands of good paying jobs for American workers was to help Putin!? Oh, Mann! This poor guy needs an intervention before he goes completely off the deep end! Next he’ll be talking about aliens or little green men messing with his research. How pathetic!

David A
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 1, 2021 3:22 am

I have an Irish friend who, when he drinks,
(quite often) occasionally see’s the little folk.
What does Michael Mann drink?

Rory Forbes
February 28, 2021 8:39 pm

What can one say about Mikey Mann that doesn’t include a whole string of expletives? The only word that comes to mind is pathetic … then comes hubris, cherubic (but not in a nice way), fatuous, asinine, foolish, silly, and puerile. Even from the beginning his limited notoriety went to his head and “little man syndrome” took over. History will not be kind to him.

His one claim to fame in science was being the father to a scientific fraud … even more damning than The Piltdown Man.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 28, 2021 9:34 pm

Please, please – he is Pennsylvania State University Distinguished University Professor Michael Mann. Let’s give him his due.

Paul Johnson
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 28, 2021 9:52 pm

And a better argument against tenure could not be made.

Alastair gray
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 28, 2021 11:57 pm

What does a Penn state mediocre prof look like . An amoeba or a tardigrade?

Independent
Reply to  Alastair gray
March 1, 2021 12:44 am

Lamprey? Tapeworm? Leech?

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Independent
March 1, 2021 12:03 pm

Deer tick .
Small , but nasty .

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Rory Forbes
March 1, 2021 5:12 am

Just ‘quack’ is sufficient.

RoHa
February 28, 2021 9:17 pm

Those sneaky, evil, Russians again!

observa
February 28, 2021 9:20 pm

Those Russkis must be getting at the Australian Labor Party too Mike and you can’t be too complacent with Reds Under the Bed as Senator McCarthy warned about-
Labor warms to gas in new policy platform (msn.com)
LOL.

Robert of Texas
February 28, 2021 9:21 pm

Hermione said it best: “What an idiot“. (Imagine it spoken with a proper British accent)

MarkW
Reply to  Robert of Texas
March 1, 2021 9:05 am

“We might get killed, or even worse, expelled.”

Clause
February 28, 2021 9:54 pm

Mann is a fraudster and should be in jail for crimes against humanity. [oh c’mom—mod]

fred250
February 28, 2021 10:34 pm

THE TRUTH ..

…. will always be Mickey Mann’s GREATEST ENEMA !!

NIKKI
February 28, 2021 11:07 pm

Crazy delusional bugger

Jeroen B.
February 28, 2021 11:21 pm

Objection! Assumes organ not in evidence!

First it has to be proven Michael Mann CAN think rather than parrot beliefs.

Rory Forbes
February 28, 2021 11:45 pm

I think I can smell shite! Yes I can definitely smell shite …

I can smell shite – YouTube

Vincent Causey
February 28, 2021 11:52 pm

So Anthony Watts is actually a Russian bot! Who knew!

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Vincent Causey
March 1, 2021 4:56 am

Perhaps his real name is Andrei Wattsnikov.

griff
March 1, 2021 12:12 am

This is entirely different of course to labelling anyone accepting climate science as a marxist, socialist, leftist, being paid by the Russians or Chinese etc. 🙂

fred250
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2021 3:22 am

You are certainly a marxist leftist trotter, griff.

But you DENY that fact , just like you DENY all other FACTS.

There is no “climate science™” to “accept”

If there was, leftist AGW cultists like you would be able to produce it.

AND YOU CAN’T !!!

All you have is mindless little fantasies.

1… Do you have any empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2?

2… In what ways has the global climate changed in the last 50 years , that can be scientifically proven to be of human released CO2 causation?

David A
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2021 3:29 am

Strawman much? Certainly not “everyone”, there are many useful idiots.

Yet to deny that the purported solutions to CAGW universally engender greater central power, and are at the same time entirely ineffective in reducing CO2, is to be in denial of completely obvious facts.

Griff, a curious person would question why Communist China pays full lip service to the CAGW fantasy, while rapidly building coal plants at home and around the world. ( Are you a curious person?)

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2021 9:07 am

We don’t have to label them. They proclaim it for themselves all the time.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2021 9:45 am

Most often the AGW true believers can be easily labelled as true believers (useful idiots), without the vaguest notion what is going on and don’t want the facts or the real science. The proper designation for the leaders who push the AGW agenda is ‘Globalists’, but Marxist, Leftist and socialist also serve many. In fairness, those people don’t seem to know any more about those ideologies than they do climate science.

Then there’s you … utterly confused about all of it.

Climate believer
March 1, 2021 12:13 am

Funny how all our resident alarmists are conspicuous by their absence in defence of this inconsequential “eminent” scientist.

How embarrassing it must be…

fred250
Reply to  Climate believer
March 1, 2021 3:23 am

Mann is an “enema” scientist

Only capable of excremental science.

MarkW
Reply to  Climate believer
March 1, 2021 9:08 am

Give griff credit. He’s trying. Of course he’s failing, but we are talking about griff after all.

Mark Pawelek
March 1, 2021 12:15 am

The twitter bot story originates in a report from a U.S. academic who claimed a quarter of all tweets about climate originate from robot accounts. As reported in our reliably alarmist: Sci-Am, Guardian, BBC, etc. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/twitter-bots-are-a-major-source-of-climate-disinformation/

Mmmm. I try to follow many tweets about the climate and most accounts who won’t respond (in the way a person would) are NGO and news media accounts. They are all climate alarmist accounts! So it’s climate alarmists botting-out the climate misinformation.

Mark Pawelek
Reply to  Mark Pawelek
March 1, 2021 12:24 am

See for yourselves. Go to twitter. Search for the word “climate”. Reply to the first 20, or so, tweets in the search. For example by refuting or asking a question casting doubt on the truth of the tweet.

It’ll predominantly be bot climate alarmists accounts who refuse to engage in a conversation.

So once again – climate alarmists have everything about the climate back-to-front. It’s almost a if this inverted reality paradigm is the only argument they have.

Mark Pawelek
Reply to  Mark Pawelek
March 1, 2021 1:19 am

PS: On Twitter – climate alarmism is now a minority pursuit. Twitter bots have stopped broadcasting and only climate realists tweet about climate.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Mark Pawelek
March 1, 2021 5:55 am

Climate realists don’t get auto-canceled yet?

Coeur de Lion
March 1, 2021 12:27 am

This is IMPORTANT, guys. It shows that the climate change movement has reached a sort of edge of madness coupled to exhausted argument. It’s all going to be fun to watch.

observa
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
March 1, 2021 3:24 am

Covid blew them off the front page and they’re suffering attention deficit disorder big time and going full on troppo as a result.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
March 1, 2021 5:59 am

Sort of like reality closing in from all sides in the mid 1940s Germany. Some saw the writing on the wall earlier than others and there were lots of conspiracy theories running rampant.

observa
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 7:04 pm

Mike wants to be careful he checks none of the true believers have left their briefcase behind under the table after one of his pump up sessions you reckon?

Eric Vieira
March 1, 2021 12:37 am

to seed arguments on social media”
Poor Mr. Mann. Apparently that’s the worst thing that can happen: his adversaries
bring ARGUMENTS forward, oh heaven forbid… people are supposed to believe, not to argue and present such evil things as FACTS and DATA… (/sarc)

Pariah Dog
March 1, 2021 12:40 am

Why is anyone surprised? Mr. Mann made his name by taking two disparate data sets, stitching them together, and turning the result into a narrative. Of *course* he’s not just going to restrict his Frankensteinian tendencies to statistics…

Herbert
March 1, 2021 12:48 am

Eric,
The claim by Michael Mann that wildfires in California or bushfires in Australia are caused by climate change is totally untenable.
As Dr. Roy Spencer has repeatedly explained Wildfires have not worsened. Native Americans and Aboriginals used to set them on purpose for hunting.
“The biggest factor controlling the prevalence of wildfires is land management practices.
If you live in a region like the American West it is natural for woody fuel to build up (after a rainy winter season).
Unless this dry wood is cleared, it is only a matter of time before it burns, whether from a dry lightening strike, a windstorm taking down power lines, a campfire or arson.
As humans continue to build into rural areas, the risk of humans starting fires and having their homes destroyed increases.”
The Forestry Department has a graph of “US Forest Area Burned 1926- 2017”.
It is plain at a glance that 2017 ( and prior recent years)is a fifth of the height of the graph in the 1920s.
“Regarding global wildfire activity, a 2016 study by Doerr and Santin published in the
‘Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B ‘, stated:
“…many consider wildfire as an accelerating problem, with widely held perceptions both in the media and scientific papers of increasing fire occurrence, severity and resulting losses. However, important exceptions aside, the quantative evidence available does not support these perceived overall trends.
Instead global area burned spears to have overall declined over past decades,and there is increasing evidence that there is less fire in the global landscape today than centuries ago.
Regarding fire severity, limited data are available. For the Western USA, they indicate little change overall, and also that area burned at high severity has overall declined compared compared to pre- European settlement.”
(h/t “Global Warming Skepticism for Busy People” by Roy Spencer.)
A similar picture appears in Australia.
So now the readers of this thread have greater knowledge about the frequency and severity of wildfires than the distinguished Professor of Climate Change, Michael Mann.

Herbert
Reply to  Herbert
March 1, 2021 12:58 am

Erratum: “lightening strike”should read “ lightning strike”. Hate misspelling!

Herbert
Reply to  Herbert
March 1, 2021 1:02 am

And “ spears” = “appears”.
Early to bed.

TimTheToolMan
March 1, 2021 12:53 am

This was a horrible attempt to divert attention from the real cause, which was climate change.”

I’ve got news for you Michael, Australia had bushfires before any AGW ever took place. Its known for them. Cause being climate change? You’re a moron.

Had you said a significant contributing factor of “cause” was anthropogenic Carbon dioxide, then I would have been on board. The whole planet has been greening and increasing the bushfire fuel load for decades. Anthropogenic CO2 is a major contributing factor for that.

But I think that arguing a greening planet is a bad thing is going to go badly for you and your cause.

March 1, 2021 1:06 am

I assume that Michael Mann does not have any power bills. When he wants to cook his dinner he just places it in a closed container and waits for the back-radiation from the walls of the container to cook the meal.

In the same way, he does not need any heating power in Winter. All of his rooms heat up over time due to the back-radiation from the walls to the furnishings. How does he stop it from catching fire ?

One would think that he would patent the idea and make his fortune selling self-heating containers.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Bevan Dockery
March 1, 2021 2:42 am

Shush now you will upset the many lukewarmers here who believe their back radiative heating fantasy.

MarkW
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 1, 2021 9:11 am

When you have to lie about what others are arguing, you have admitted that even you know your arguments can’t be defended.

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 1, 2021 1:15 am

Hahaha. This cheered me up no end.

Gregory Woods
March 1, 2021 2:15 am

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow has made a credible case about Russia’s efforts to hijack the 2016 presidential election and get Trump elected.

Hey, it’s March 1st, not April 1st…

March 1, 2021 2:26 am

Mann’s conspiracy ideation is yet another symptom of the mental unhealth that is so pervasive on the Left. The climate movement is increasingly dominated by the mentally ill. 

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M Courtney
March 1, 2021 2:35 am

“Their fingerprints are also all over the climategate affair 10 years ago. UK investigators have evidence of Russian involvement in that too.”

As I understand it, the UK investigators came to the conclusion that an unknown, never identified, Russian mole infiltrated the UEA CRU and gathered all the data into one file called HarryReadMe.
Then, instead of walking off with the file, they signalled an outside Russian hacker (unknown, never identified) to break into the computer systems and take that file the hard way.

This is believed to be more likely than an insider gathering the data, naming the file in English words and then blowing the whistle on CRU’s malpractice.
Well, this is believed to be more likely by crackpots, anyway.

David A
Reply to  M Courtney
March 1, 2021 3:45 am

Hummm? So Hilary and the DNC simply took a page from the CAGW wars.

It is amazing when people ignore the facts of a story by focusing on how those facts came out. As in, someone was provably a murderer, but an evil leak revealed this, so let’s ignore the murder and falsely prosecute our political enemy as ” the leaker”. (And it works)

Craig from Oz
March 1, 2021 3:30 am

I still love the mental gymnastics employed to use the ‘Russian Bots got Trump Elected’ theory.

Putin spent millions, possibly billions, to ensure a man who campaigned on Make America Great Again and America First would win the election because a strong, self confident and proud America would be easier to manipulate globally.

Still, these are the same people who claim record low temperatures clearly proves Global Warming(tm) theory.

ozspeaksup
March 1, 2021 3:30 am

best laugh in days! the mans so stupid its painful.
he needs a cuppa tea, a Bex and a LONG liedown

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
March 1, 2021 3:36 am

Mann keeps piling on the irony. It will make a good training video – a documentary on how not to shoot yourself in the food when you have already been exposed as player in the second biggest money making scam even perpetrated in history (COVID is easily out-performing CO2).

And he wants to be an even more high profile player than he was! Can you believe it?

It’s all a Russian plot! He sounds like people in the Middle East blaming everything that happens from day to day in the CIA – that all-powerful group with access to advanced technology you wouldn’t believe.

It seems people need a super-natural being/group to blame for each personal failing.

“Da Debbil made me do it!”

These are modernised versions of Hollywood’s “The Invasion of the Body Snatchers” (see it to understand).

“They look just like us!”

Well, some of us don’t look like them.

Bruce Cobb
March 1, 2021 4:29 am

Mikey’s an expert on dissembling. Too bad he can’t spell the word.

Captain climate
March 1, 2021 4:53 am

How does he have a job? All of his assertions are baseless.

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 1, 2021 5:16 am

Calm down Mike. Those friendly men in white coats will be coming soon.

Carlo, Monte
March 1, 2021 5:41 am

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow has made a credible case about Russia’s efforts to hijack the 2016 presidential election and get Trump elected.

Citing the endless Rachel Madcow lies about Russia and President Trump: this is how you argue for your hockey stick fraud, Mickey?

Apropos.

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 5:48 am

…and I’m losing control of ‘my’ people!

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 6:00 am

Ask him what the Martians told him.

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 6:03 am

How many demons did Stalin chase?

Mickey Reno
March 1, 2021 6:24 am

Climate scientists are fighting each other? Is that like when Gavin Schmidt went running for the green room when Roy Spencer came on set during the Stossel Show? He surrendered and cried uncle, thinking he’d make Spencer look less credible. If that’s the level of thinking undergirding climate alarmism, no wonder you need to find people to blame, Mr. Mann. (I’d call you DOCTOR, but I rather think you’re a DOCTOR in the same exact way Jill Biden is a DOCTOR). Oh, wait, I see, it was Rupert Murdoch who gave John Stossel a show, and THAT’S why he’s to blame for Gavin Schmidt running away like a scared little girl.

DOCTOR Mann, this is all reminding me of that time you brought up Trofim Lysenko’s name to try and discredit Dr. John Christy and Dr. Judith Curry during Senate testimony at which you all appeared as climate ‘experts.’ You were so stupid you didn’t see that it was YOU who was in the Trofim Lysenko chair, the favored scientist, promoted by the federal bureaucracy and the Democrats, advancing the official favored government narrative (back in Lysenko’s case, at issue was the productivity of collective farms, with you it’s the guaranteed productivity of wind mills and solar panels in preventing CAGW) using your alleged expertise to advance a very tenuous, very weak chain of scientific causality that’s favored by the many Western governments, and this debate even has you and YOUR side of the political debate starting to agitate for a Western gulag to lock up dissenters, just as Stalin did. You sir, are a nitwit. Dr. Nitwit, Dr. Fraudpants, as Mark Steyn calls you, or Dr. Lysenko II.

Lee Scott
March 1, 2021 6:43 am

You just have to laugh at this statement:

Their fingerprints are also all over the climategate affair 10 years ago. UK investigators have evidence of Russian involvement in that too.

Oh, those darned Ruskies!!! It wasn’t me, it was the Russians!

Burgher King
March 1, 2021 7:03 am
Vladimir Putin: 'Покупайте у нас природный газ, может быть, мы не вторгнемся в вашу страну.'
Burgher King
Reply to  Burgher King
March 1, 2021 2:45 pm

FYI, the translation from Russian is, “If you buy our natural gas, maybe we won’t invade your country.”

ThunderChicken
March 1, 2021 7:31 am

Hey Mickey…are those Rooskie Bots probing Uranus?

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 7:36 am

Is Michael Moore filming in Texas? Can he read the EIA data and go from there with interviews with talking heads. Do the interviews with the EIA chart in the background.

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 7:38 am

Yes, and Happy Valley is the new Roswell. Don’t forget the tinfoil hats.

Dale Mullen
March 1, 2021 7:43 am

It’s interesting how both the interviewer and Mann take every opportunity to take the actions of the climate alarmists and attribute them to the skeptics. Examples include claims of collusion with Russia when it was actually the Democrats, specifically Hillary, who was shown to be the one(s) in collusion. Another is claiming that it was the Russians and WikiLeaks who were responsible for Climategate rather than Mann himself and his co-conspirators.
Further they make claims that the media are the enemy when the main stream media promotes the “claimed” climate crisis as their main focus. The media is their biggest ally in spreading disinformation.
Elsewhere Mann and Watts refer to skeptics as “climate change deniers” when it is actually the CAGW crowd who imply that our climate should stop changing.
Mann speaks of other spreading false information when that has been the modus operandi of the climate alarmists groups. In fact Mann is even down on Gates for not being alarmist enough by pointing out the weaknesses of the so-called renewables.
Watts and Mann go on to blame skeptics for “Doom-mongering”. It’s not skeptics who are giving us only a few years to survive or claiming disappearance of the poles, if not in 2013, then soon!
Both interviewer Watts and Mann talk about the problems of “underplaying the dangers” when they should be discussing the problems of underplaying their failures!

George Daddis
March 1, 2021 8:15 am

How do you mention Wikileaks without mentioning the ongoing misinformation and biased editing of Wikipedia, especially the role of the disgraced (and now back) William Connelly?

Conservative media tycoons? Ever heard of Jeff Bezos? How ’bout the alarmist claims of extreme weather disasters, unsupported by data or science, that we hear every day from all of MSM?

The main obstacle to “climate inaction” is that the general public does not take the handwaving and models of the Alarmists seriously because of 40 years of failed predictions, lack of observational data and the public’s own life experiences.

CD in Wisconsin
March 1, 2021 9:00 am

When Mann presents arguments that more or less manifest a “good vs. evil” and “us vs. them” mentality, it becomes patently clear to me that he has abandoned science for his activist ideology. This not how science is done. That he is still employed at Penn State and teaches there (does he still teach there?) is disturbing to think about.

I do not know if he is manifesting any psychological issues that might be helped by professional attention, but it would not surprise me at all if it is determined someday that he does. That he still is respected in the mainstream media as a news source on climate issues only serves to show how far off kilter the media is on those issues.

I guess we should be thankful that he is not a member of Biden’s climate team — at least not yet anyway.

philincalifornia
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
March 1, 2021 9:17 am

Don’t worry, Biden’s climate team has nothing to do with climate, so it doesn’t matter which idiot is on or off it. The best liar is the one getting the job …….

Jerry Katell
March 1, 2021 9:04 am

Michael Mann has to be one of the stupidest men on the planet. Every qualified climatologist who isn’t on NASA’s or George Soros or some other payroll knows there is little or no correlation between CO2 levels and warming or cooling, that there has been little or no global warming as opposed to what the phony models said, that hurricanes and other significant storms are at their lowest levels in 50 years and that Antarctic ice is at its greatest extent in recorded history. It is way past time to get off this phony story.

Rhys Jaggar
March 1, 2021 9:59 am

What I think is there are now a series of ‘codes’, ‘key phrases’ that you have to use to signify to the PTB that you are ‘on board’, ‘sound’, ‘with the program’ etc etc.

That is the only explanation for this pile of gibberish.

John Robertson
March 1, 2021 10:10 am

“They always eat their own”.
Comrade Mann,strikes again.
If the Mann did not exist we would have had to invent him.
However most decent people could never have imagined this character.
The Parasitic overload does not need any help to engage in infighting,these are ideologues and liars,they will always stab each other in the back…
It is the only skill set they have.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  John Robertson
March 1, 2021 11:20 am

He is a perfect fit for Penn State Narcissistic Science though.

Bruce Cobb
March 1, 2021 10:47 am

There ain’t no way to hide those beady, lyin’ eyes.
Unfortunately.

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 11:13 am

This would be funny except the guy played a pivotal role in warping global policy for at least a decade and it’s getting worse. The joke is on all of us. Forced Peak Oil is the work of economic illiterates gone wild. Millions will starve.

Steve Z
March 1, 2021 11:39 am

So, when buildings were burning in Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis last year, was that the fault of climate change or arsonists?

Tombstone Gabby
March 1, 2021 12:15 pm

Climate change is an issue the Murdoch press has disassembled on for years

“disassembled”? Or “disseminated”?

“… nowadays the thing most often disseminated, or “spread abroad as though sowing seed,” is information.”

If he actually said ‘disassembled’ – a momentary mental lapse, or something more serious?

Gunga Din
March 1, 2021 2:24 pm

According to Michael Mann, the main obstacle to climate action is a coalition of Russian robots, Saudis, fossil fuel tycoons, Rupert Murdoch, Wikileaks and climate deniers.

The main obstacle to “climate action” is “Mother Nature”.
She can’t read tree rings or climate models and wouldn’t care about them if “she” could.

In less figurative terms, the main obstacle to “climate action” is reality.

Face it, Mann, you’ve got it wrong.

4caster
March 1, 2021 4:05 pm

I’m a little late with this comment, perhaps few will see it; I have posted this story a couple of times here on WUWT, but I believe it is extremely pertinent and illustrative to do so again.

Many years ago, a NWS forecaster wrote an Area Forecast Discussion and included a sarcastic comment about termites (after papers appeared in the literature stating that termites were thought to be significant contributors of methane to the atmosphere, and thus large contributors to disastrous global warming). Michael Mann called that very day to complain to the supervisor that this was not a subject to be joked about, and that it had no place in AFDs, etc etc. One might reasonably ask, in what role would a university professor need to comment about the contents of a NWS AFD? What would prompt such a response from a busy climate researcher to a minor weather product which is not in his domain?

I believe society needs to put Michael Mann’s work, responses, and actions in the context of NPD: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Now, I’m no psychiatrist or psychologist, and I would not even attempt to diagnose anyone with a potential personality disorder, but, ironically, because the above-mentioned supervisor so closely fit the NPD criteria, I became closely acquainted with those criteria. Look it up for yourself in DSM IV or V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV or V), and you will see what I mean. Among other things, a narcissist MUST be thought of by his inferiors (which is just about everybody, even a boss) as correct and superior. Any intimation that he/she is wrong will be met with swift and decisive action and potent push-back. Narcissists are CERTAIN that they are right, and everybody else is wrong. Why, the above-noted supervisor even used that very statement to the staff! “I’m right and you all are wrong.” He/she also said, “If you want to know what’s wrong with this office, just look in the mirror.” Narcissists are very clever; when in therapy, they can apparently often fool the therapist and explain away their actions. They can make it appear everybody else really IS wrong. It’s only with the passage of time and events that this disorder comes to light. Back to the termite story: Mann’s possible NPD forces him to respond to any intimation that his theory/ideas/ideology are in any way flawed, even for minor and seemingly unrelated events or situations. Narcissists seem to have a deep-seated shame for which they compensate by employing an over-arching hubris and need for control. A narcissist will project onto their enemy their own ills; they will of course lie when it can be gotten away with. I observed first-hand the desperation and flash psychopathy of the mentioned supervisor when this person lost control of him/herself when he/she could not control me, the situation, and the overall proceedings. It’s been said that the family of a narcissist suffers the most, but, in the case of a narcissist on the “Climate Emergency” stage, it appears the world is suffering, due to the sheer waste of trillions of dollars and trillions of euros.

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2021 4:37 pm

Have they checked for radioactive residue around State College? ask the Brits about that.

William Haas
March 2, 2021 2:31 am

I believe that the real problem is the science. Based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models one can conclude that the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Mankind does not even know what the optimum climate is let alone how to obtain it. So the real problem is reality.

ATheoK
March 2, 2021 2:51 pm

Manniacal should have the padded room next to the merchant of doubt lady’s padded room.
Maybe they can syncopate their crazy outbursts?

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