How carbon bureaucrats lied to get the policies they wanted

An excellent video describing another one of our, sadly seemingly now daily, experiences of the government ideologues and media lying to the public, ostensibly for our own good.

This one in the UK.

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Peta of Newark
December 22, 2020 6:36 am

Haven’t the bandwidth right now to watch – I don’t need to.

From the ‘still’ we see, what sort of muppet (John Seldom Glummer I believe) wears a bright green handkerchief?
(think about it for a mo)
Esp in these Disease Riddled Times

Lord Help Us

Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 22, 2020 5:05 pm

I watched the whole thing, it’s quite informative, and although you missed it, you are likely quite able to guess what it is all about. Much like the highly dubious ‘survey results’ about a 97% consensus for CAGW, the government apparently is relying on an equally unrepresentative sample for the conclusion that at least a 50% meat consumption in the UK needs to happen in order to mitigate CAGW; the concept of CAGW itself being based on the false premise that it is a settled conclusion above all reproach.

Question any bit of the government’s conclusions drawn from these dubious reports and data gathering methodologies, and you’ll be branded a “WUWT” cult member, the collective lot of which representing a danger to society who should be ….. well, fill in the kind of vitriol often heard from CAGW true believers.

Bill Powers
December 22, 2020 6:37 am

The undertow in this video is the dangers to the uninformed and indoctrinated youth as illustrated by the 17 year old who, on scant scientific evidence, is ready to abandon his lifestyle in a naïve misconception that he is saving the planet.

He represents the real target of the bureaucrats long game. Call him the every Greta. You say you want a revolution? You want to change the world? Brainwash the malleable minds of the children and they will dance to the tune of the Pied Piper right of into the deep dark dangerous forest.

Parents beware. The Pied Pipers (read Bureaucrats) are running the education system for the Central Authoritarians.

Ian W
Reply to  Bill Powers
December 23, 2020 5:14 am

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” – Aristotle

“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” – Lenin

There are many similar quotes. This is the reason that all attempts to alter a society start in schools and universities. The malleable minds will believe everything that they are told as they are not being taught to think.

Stephen Skinner
December 22, 2020 6:45 am

UK Stats
81 years – 8 months -Average age of death from SARS-CoV-2
81 years – 1.6 months – Life expectancy

Eating healthily is a good thing and the individual has a responsibility to look after themselves. Eating less sugar and less processed foods is the simplest way to improve health while meat and fats are not a problem (unless one is a gluton). Jordan Peterson’s daughter would have died had she not eaten a meat only diet and if the assertions being promoted in this video were true then we would increase life expectancy to 81 years and 9.6 months which means the average age of survival from Covid in the UK would rise by an extra 1.6 months of life, or 7 weeks.

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Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 22, 2020 6:46 am

Oops. Should be glutton, but maybe same difference.

commieBob
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 22, 2020 7:36 am

If you look for unbiased information, it doesn’t appear that a vegetarian or vegan diet makes you live longer.
link: https://chriskresser.com/do-vegetarians-and-vegans-live-longer-than-meat-eaters/

Reply to  commieBob
December 23, 2020 5:29 am

” it doesn’t appear that a vegetarian or vegan diet makes you live longer”

But life as a veggie is so boring, it just FEELS like you live a lot longer…

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EJW
Reply to  commieBob
December 23, 2020 8:35 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIG9ozEDPVg

A Saskatchewan agricultural technician’s (farmer) take on vegan diets.

Old.George
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 22, 2020 8:15 am

Being 77 I value QUALITY of life over QUANTITY. I only have a few years left. Something is going to get me. I eat beef. I eat ham. I eat cheese and yoghurt, too.
I mask or not matching those nearby. I shake hands and will accept a hug from a child.
Socialization is a most important part of being old. Or young. Or middle-aged.

Sara
Reply to  Old.George
December 23, 2020 8:55 am

George, you’re my kind of guy. I have enough stew beef in the fridge to make five Crockpots of stew (or thick soup), and about 12 pounds of the most bodacious bacon on the planet, too, and I am not giving up ANYTHING related to the omnivorous diet that we Hoomans have followed since we first learned to knap stone in to spear points and arrow points.

Scissor
December 22, 2020 6:46 am

What could be healthier than a diet devised by government bureaucrats who themselves eat one devoid of brain food?

Spetzer86
December 22, 2020 7:08 am

At this point, you start with the understanding you’re being lied to. Wonder if they’re really using NK as a model?

Pamela Matlack-Klein
December 22, 2020 7:11 am

What outrageous hubris! There is very little support for these net zero solutions so what is going to happen when government tries to enforce them?

Real meat vs. fake meat thanks to The Saltbush Club
https://saltbushclub.com/2020/12/10/fake-meat/

DHR
December 22, 2020 7:25 am

Everything I eat comes from vegetables. Always has. Always will be.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  DHR
December 22, 2020 9:18 am

Same with me. I only eat meat from animals that eat vegetables.

Notanacademic
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 22, 2020 10:27 am

Yeah me too, I eat mostly four legged vegetarians

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 22, 2020 3:14 pm

There is a sign written on a footpath/sidewalk near me that says “Eat ass not animals”. I will have a rump steak please!

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 23, 2020 2:21 am

Donkey steak is delicious, much better than horse.

geo
Reply to  DHR
December 22, 2020 12:29 pm

I do eat fish, they mostly aren’t vegan. Also birds that eat some bugs and worms. But the rest, yea I’m with ya.

Fred Chittenden
Reply to  DHR
December 22, 2020 2:08 pm

False. In the early years of childhood, it’s a dietary fact that one must have certain specialized fats common found in animal meat in one’s diet to properly sheath one’s nerves in myelin for proper nerve activity. The human body can’t make these specialized fat molecules from scratch in quantities necessary for proper development. Without these animal fats in one’s diet, a child is destined to have all sorts of misery from a lifetime of nervous system problems.

Sadly, every year, many vegetarians with kids find this out the hard way. Their dietary extremism can potentially permanently damage the proper development of their young kids…

Notanacademic
Reply to  Fred Chittenden
December 22, 2020 3:21 pm

Fred I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. People say you are what you eat but that’s not true you are what your body does with what you eat and if you don’t eat properly things go wrong. We’ve been omnivores since our species Appeared to try to change that in your own lifetime is folly and then to inflict that on your own children is tragic. it seems it’s always the children that pay the heaviest for the stupidity of their elders who should of known better.

Pat Frank
December 22, 2020 8:21 am

Standard tactic of bureaucratic management in view here.

Ask the rank and file for their views and recommendations regarding problems and situations.

Then thank everyone for their ever-so-thoughtful inputs.

And go on to do what management had already decided to do.

I’ve seen this repeatedly.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 22, 2020 10:38 am

In fact, it’s quite rare for them to do anything other than bin the inputs.

Andre Lauzon
December 22, 2020 8:35 am

They want you to live longer then they promote euthanasia to save money???>?

It is just another effort by Gov’ts to control us, the little people.

jacques serge Lemiere
December 22, 2020 8:44 am

at the question “do you agree to be unsatisfied with your food a life long to gain 8 months life expectancy” a thing i am not able to notice and verify..at an individual level.. .. my answer is no.
notice if A increases life expectancy of half the population two years and decrease It f one year for the other half.A increases life expectancy of the whole… your interest is second to one of the average…

Philo
Reply to  jacques serge Lemiere
December 22, 2020 4:57 pm

Life Expectancy is another great way to lie with statistics. It has NO meaning for an individual. It’s great for life insurers though. They use it to foist higher premiums on people who prefer to eat what tastes good and enjoy it.

As an aside- all the “weighty” scientific thought has still not found a way to track the disease although newer technologies have allowed the development of hopefully effective vaccines in a record short time.

jacques serge Lemiere
Reply to  Philo
December 23, 2020 9:53 am

yes ..what matters is causes.

Carl Friis-Hansen
December 22, 2020 8:45 am

New study shows vegans are unhappy & sick more often

https://www.beefmagazine.com/blog/new-study-shows-vegans-are-unhappy-sick-more-often

Okay, “new study” is relative. It is, as far as I remember, from 2014.

Climate believer
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 22, 2020 9:08 am

Don’t know if you’re going to get an unbiased viewpoint from Beef Magazine 😉

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Climate believer
December 22, 2020 9:26 am

The study is from an Austrian university AFAICT and has been referenced by countless websites.
I just chose the beef site to make you smile 🙂

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  Climate believer
December 22, 2020 9:41 am

It’s still funny.

I don’t think you’ll find many unbiased opinions out there. And anyone who’s taken statistics knows you can ‘prove’ whatever point of view you want with the numbers.

Murph
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
December 22, 2020 8:20 pm

You won’t find any unbiased opinions. An opinion must be biased according to a person’s beliefs, that’s what makes it an opinion, as opposed to a fact.

Unbiased Opinion is an oxymoron

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 22, 2020 10:38 am

“New study shows vegans are unhappy & sick more often”

It is my understanding that vegetable proteins are incomplete proteins. Vegetable proteins lack some of the amino acids for health that meat and dairy have. Meat is a complete protein source.

Good luck trying to convince a bodybuilder or anyone else trying to put on muscle that they should restrict their diets to vegetable proteins and not meat and dairy.

beng135
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
December 22, 2020 10:45 am

One of the theories for human brain development is a high-quality protein diet — animal meat & bone-marrow. So, vegans……

Willem69
Reply to  beng135
December 23, 2020 3:09 am

Yep, while traveling in India my wife had a stroke, the doctor’s dietary advise was ABSOLUTELY not vegetarian. Bad for the brain, too many fats and proteins missing.
And this from a devout Hindu.

Truly excellent medical care btw,

stay sane,
willem

Sara
Reply to  beng135
December 23, 2020 9:00 am

So it’s okay with everyone that I go on eating bacon for any meal and have a good juicy hamburger or pot roast, right? Just try to pull my meat from my hands…. just TRY… I dare you.

beng135
Reply to  Sara
December 23, 2020 9:49 am

Corned beef & cabbage slow-cooked — hmmmm.

beng135
December 22, 2020 8:50 am

I did learn a tiny bit from this — the new term “carbon bureaucrats”. I’ll propose another name for ’em — dark pencil pushers. Ironic that pencils use graphite, tho.

December 22, 2020 9:23 am

The carbon foot print left behind to make emissions free vehicles makes the benefits of the electric car moot.
In the future where gonna have to ask where electric cars go to die. A 30 year old lithium battery breaking down and all of the corrosion would definitely poison the earth.

Doonman
December 22, 2020 9:27 am

Living as long as I possibly can has always been my goal in life. I’m looking forward to years of drooling being wiped off by strangers as they wheel me to eat institutional food with other droolers. Just think of all the bragging rights I’ll have over all my dead friends who exited too early.

ResourceGuy
December 22, 2020 9:53 am

I still remember the “pennies” it would cost consumers for changing freon chemicals for the ozone hole policy effort. That lobbyist lie was based on the assumption of ignorance among the general public about the pressure/mechanical cost differences from changing chemistry and systems. In those situations, political leaders are best suited to play dumb and ask the wrong questions while pushing the medium and long term cost burden onto consumers later. It’s a “win-win” as they like to say in lobbyist and leadership venues. But in fact win-win means lose-lose most of the time and better serves as a big red warning flag on any policy deal for the average family. Those are also the times when investigative reporting and consumer advocacy runs silent and deep…out of sight.

CD in Wisconsin
December 22, 2020 10:06 am

I’m sure that this C.S. Lewis quote has been posted here before. But as it regards the carbon bureaucrats, I will quote him here one more time….

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

  • C.S. Lewis
Mumbles McGuirck
December 22, 2020 10:07 am

This reminds me so much of the “97% of scientist” scam from several years ago. The survey started with over 1000 AGU respondents but winnowed them down to just some 90+ “climatologists”. Of that group almost all agreed to some simple questions about global temperature and human influence. Voila’ you had 97% of ALL scientists thought we’re on roller coaster ride to Thermageddon.
This UK scam is more insidious. Get a random gaggle of subjects in a room, lecture at them with no contrary point of view, then get them to ‘vote’ on what they think. Miracable dictu, they spout back what they were told. Then publish it as if it were the authentic opinions of the Crown’s loyal subjects. Bollocks!

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December 22, 2020 10:37 am

Lancet was pushing this diet agenda for some time. IN 2019 they published a study claiming:

Following environmental objectives by replacing animal-source foods with plant-based ones was particularly effective in high-income countries for improving nutrient levels, lowering premature mortality (reduction of up to 12% [95% CI 10–13] with complete replacement), and reducing some environmental impacts, in particular greenhouse gas emissions (reductions of up to 84%). However, it also increased freshwater use (increases of up to 16%) and had little effectiveness in countries with low or moderate consumption of animal-source foods.”

Georgia Ede MD wrote in Psychology Today EAT-Lancet’s Plant-based Planet: 10 Things You Need to Know. Georgia Ede, MD, is a Harvard-trained psychiatrist and nutrition consultant practicing at Smith College. She writes about food and health on her website DiagnosisDiet.com.

Unfortunately, we are going to have to look elsewhere for solutions, because the EAT-Lancet Commission report fails to provide us with the clarity, transparency and responsible representation of the facts we need to place our trust in its authors. Instead, the Commission’s arguments are vague, inconsistent, unscientific, and downplay the serious risks to life and health posed by vegan diets.

Dr. Ede’s essay: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201901/eat-lancets-plant-based-planet-10-things-you-need-know?

My synopsis: https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2019/01/21/climate-ideology-bad-nutritional-advice/

Peter Fraser
December 22, 2020 11:54 am

The image at the top of this article was enough for me. The woman with the microphone obviously needs a good steak.

John in Oz
December 22, 2020 1:04 pm

Is it a new tactic by the do-gooders to state ‘legally committed to reach net zero…’ in their diatribes to convince us that we must do their bidding? This is stated around the 1:30 mark of the video.

How can we be so socially irresponsible to argue against any policy that is ‘legally’ enforced upon us?

Chris Hanley
December 22, 2020 1:26 pm

The commentator asks the question concerning meat consumption ‘how will the government legislate for voluntary behaviour change?’ (5:50).
The answer is the same way the UK government has tried to control the consumption of sugar viz. by imposing a tax.
As J S Mill succinctly put it:

To tax stimulants for the sole purpose of making them more difficult to be obtained, is a measure differing only in degree from their entire prohibition; and would be justifiable only if that were justifiable.

(On Liberty)

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Chris Hanley
December 22, 2020 2:06 pm

The harm principle as put forward by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty is that every mentally competent individual who has reached the age of majority has sovereignty over their own body and ‘the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against their will, is to prevent harm to others’.
Vegan authoritarians plan to circumvent that principle by using ‘the climate emergency’ as a vehicle, claiming that the individual consumption of meat is causing harm to others.

December 22, 2020 1:33 pm

Lying by government and the bureaucrats is nothing new. It has been around as long as bodies of power have existed. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is now seen clearly in the Climate Change – Global Warming boondoggle, the Covid-19 panic and other minor skirmishes like the Ozone Hole. The only remaining escape route for the freedom lovers is clandestine civil disobedience. Government, ideologues and the complicit media empires continue their lying to the public outwardly for their own good but in fact for e lite profit and power.

Fred Chittenden
December 22, 2020 1:42 pm

Hacking a Democracy 101. . I watched this sort of scam being executed a while ago at a Townhall meeting being run by a local teacher’s union. This Townhall had about 200 people that were preassigned seats at 25 tables, or 8 people per table.  

There was an open mingling time. We were told there we each had a name tag at one of the tables with our name on it… The mingle time allowed an opportunity to find your name tag and start to mingle and get to know your table.  It was interesting..

The meeting was called to order and everyone found their seat. The leaders would present a topic for discusion and we’d have X minutes to break into discussion groups based upon who was at our table. At times end, each table would have a vote up or down over the idea. Then they’d just total up how many tables were yeah and nay and move on to the next topic.  

Seems like democracy at work. But no, it wasn’t. It was really a gerrymandered Electoral College scam. The union stacked 13 tables with 5 members each or 65 key votes — a notch over a third f the total in the Townhall meeting. They’d also seed a few other tables with one or more union members — Just enough to make sure the union side was spoken for at most tables.  This might total 75 union plant’s in total, or less than 40% of the Townhall population… 

So when any issue that was really important to the union came up, those 13 gerrymandered tables would always vote the union way. Given there’s a fair number of left leaners in a random Townhall population, typically even the non-Gerrymandered tables might get a few pro-union tables occasionally winning a ‘random’ table…I was at a table of conservatives that the union didn’t even bother with seeding with a union plant… 

Basically, the union had Gerrymandered the tables so they’d carry every vote that was important to them, even though they only actually had perhaps a 30% majority in the Townhall…  And most innocent public attendees were naively just honky dory with seeing Townhall ‘democracy’ at work… Cool, eh?

The reality was these Gerrymandered Toanhall meetings were all a big left wing political scam made to look and feel like an open democracy at work… At the end of the meeting, the union could document that a majority of the Townhall meeting agreed with the Union’s vision and they take that to the bank for future SCAMmarketing… FYI, there’s all sorts of variants on this SCAM that are used by the left to promote their agendas…

Can’t say that I’ve ever seen it used by Conservatives, but it’s possible. This may be how the RINOsaurs operate to keep control of the RINOsaur leadership in various political bodies. This may also explain why the GOP in the US never seems to represent the common sense majority of people… 

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PCman999
December 22, 2020 3:21 pm

It’s been known for centuries, maybe millenia, that meat diets increase your libido and other impulses, hence the need for periodic fasting during times of prayer and Lent. Encouraging a vegan diet among the vast majority makes them easier to control and more docile. Think “soylent green”.

Mike Dubrasich
December 22, 2020 4:56 pm

Whether you eat meat or not, you must realize that cows, pigs, chickens et al do NOT increase CO2 emissions. They don’t eat fossil fuels do they? All the carbon they consume is short term natural carbon in the food chain. The plants they eat would die and decay and emit whether eaten by bovines or not. It’s called the Carbon Cycle.

The stupid ppoint in the pic says CO2 emissions could be reduced by 17% via dietary changes. This is patently, utterly, obviously false. It’s a Big Lie. The fact that anyone believes it, carbon bureaucrat, plutocrat, Democrat or wharf rat, is a testament to absolute density.

Moreover, all carbon-based food comes from atmospheric CO2. It is the essential building block of life. No CO2, no food of any kind, furry, finned, or veggie. No life at all. Not even carrots.

I know, I’m preaching to the choir. Sorry for the rant. Please return to your guilt-free dinner. We’re having pot roast tonight, and the entire UK is not invited. Dumb clucks.

shortie of greenbank
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
December 22, 2020 7:38 pm

This is even more obvious when they finally measured methane output of first cows, which was modelled 35% higher than they claimed and fertilser factories that produced more methane by a factor of 100 times.

The former consumes local carbon, storing some, outgassing some and depositing some to assist plants to use more out of the atmosphere. This could be a problem in the longer term as the soil ends up retaining more carbon the longer this process proceeds (so in other words pasture raised cows are carbon negative).

Now the later uses a small amount foreign carbon, processed at some energy expense, transported and used on impoverished soil that continues to see a decline in the carbon depth of the soil as each crop is harvested.

We did not see a rush to update the CO2 data for these and so vegans still use rubbish like how much CO2 is produced by animal food when their data is obviously wrong from the first measurement.

Doug Jones
December 22, 2020 7:12 pm

The diabetes-industrial complex won’t give up without a fight.

shortie of greenbank
December 22, 2020 7:59 pm

The activist brought in for the presentation did not get a single point right in what she posted. There are a few, but not many, vegans who are so deranged enough to believe ever little lie told like meat cause diabetes etc. Meat generally does not contain much glucose (traces of glycogen) nor any fructose, nor oxidised plant oils. These help drive metabolic dysfunction, but the corrupt few with reject study after study until they will find some poorly designed one done on rats or mice to prove their point. Even in these cases, like with the colon cancer ones, they did not find cancer increase, they found ‘discolouration’ in the bowel which was found to be because the ‘protein’ they fed these rats that were given only carbohydrate processing gut bacteria had 0 calcium… a few micrograms and even the colour issue disappeared. Yet the first test is part of what allowed the vegan stacked ICAR board to certify red meat as a carcinogen.

In response there are rat tests where even bacon, standard factory farmed pork made into the usual poor quality bacon was protective against certain cancers in these rats.

The rest of their ‘science’, and I use the term lightly, is based on the field of epidemiology. Epidemiology shows people who eat more fiber have less issues such as cancer etc. In reality people who have gut issues like IBS, GERD, consitpation and even Crohns and colitis have shown remission when fiber is completely removed from the diet. It isn’t the fiber it is the gullibility of the subject to follow advice, some of which might actually be good for you. Saturated fat is bad for you from their science, but as we see from the Sydney Diet Heart Study finished in 1973 this is in fact completely wrong. Thousands of men selected for having recent heart attacks were picked in the middle of 1967, half were given a diet where 30g of saturated fat were replaced with ‘heart healthy’ polyunsaturated seed oils and the other half were the control. When the study concluded they found that all cause mortality was over 60% higher in the intervention group with the seed oil, this included a similar increase in the number of further heart attacks. The Minnesota trial run around the same time also measured cholesterol and found that for each 0.78mmol dropped of LDL from replacing saturated fats, generally from animals, with seed oil polyunsaturates increased all cause and/or heart attacks by 22%, dose consistent. Both these studies were buried for decades but were finally unearthed.

December 23, 2020 5:35 am

THE CLIMATE FRAUDSTERS’ DECEITFUL TACTICS ARE THE QUOTES OF LENIN.
https://www.azquotes.com/author/8716-Vladimir_Lenin

“Truth is the most precious thing. That’s why we should ration it.”
“We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.”
“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.”
“Free speech is a bourgeois prejudice.”
“The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.”
“People always have been and they always will be stupid victims of deceit and self-deception in politics.”
“It is, of course, much easier to shout, abuse, and howl than to attempt to relate, to explain.”
“Democracy is indispensable to socialism.”
“The goal of socialism is communism.”
“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”
“Trust is good, but control is better.”
“As an ultimate objective, “peace” simply means communist world control.”
“One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers Communist and the disarming of the bourgeoisie the middle class.”
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.”

ResourceGuy
December 23, 2020 10:34 am

New presentation slide:

What if we questioned impact claims more often?

1) We could reduce cost of unintended cost consequences in public policy
2) This could also increase public sector resources for real problems and also increase household disposable incomes with more time for leisure and exercise
3) More health benefits if we followed phytochemical research findings and addressed water quality issues in fruit and veggie processing

john harmsworth
December 23, 2020 2:14 pm

Why do these people AND THE PEOPLE WHO HIRE THEM think they have the right to inflict their religion on the rest of us? FIRE THEM ALL. Good riddance!

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