WUWT – big changes, returning to a ‘war footing’ on climate

With the likely installation of a Biden administration comes a renewed and likely vicious climate war.

I have inside information that Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) will be pushing the Biden administration, calling for prominent climate skeptics, and climate skeptical organizations to be put on investigations and “show trials” for daring to question the consensus. There may be worse than that coming, as he seems to genuinely believe we’ve committed some sort of crime and should be punished for it. Make no mistake, it’s coming.

I suspect I’ll be personally targeted as well.

While it’s been an easy ride during the Trump administration with him pulling out of the Paris agreement, bringing the gestapo-like EPA back to sensibility, eliminating WOTUS rules, appointing prominent climate skeptics to NOAA, and many other things, we now face a renewed “in your face” series of actions by the Biden administration to make batting the invisible boogeyman of climate change not just a priority, but a declared war.

Hence, eliminating and/or neutralizing the climate skeptics. It’s war psyops 101 – eliminate/neutralize competing voices and media outlets.

To that end, I’m not going down without a fight. I hope you won’t either.

First, starting tomorrow, WUWT will be changing to a new look, something that I’ve been working on behind the scenes on for months. Here is a preview of the new look.


Second, we are likely going to have to move our hosting again. If you haven’t heard about it, the plight of the Conservative Treehouse being de-platformed by their hosting provider provides a glimpse of the likely future ahead for many climate skeptic websites if a Biden administration becomes a reality.

Third, facts are power, and to that end WUWT is launching a new, second website that will be a reference website for many climate topics, linked to the main WUWT site in the menu. It won’t be a discussion or a blog, but more like a user friendly climate wiki. Look for an announcement in the first week of January.

Finally, I’m going to need your help. We’ll need you to share stories, to help get the word out, we’ll need guest authors, we’ll need programming help, and we’ll need donations.

Tomorrow, we start.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

–Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999).

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William Teach
December 16, 2020 10:27 am

So far, Dreamhost hasn’t been anything but awesome, even in the past when I’ve had DOS attacks originating from Middle East nations, when I had more of a focus on counter-jihad. Of course, that could change, since half my stuff is on the climate crisis scam.

I like the look.

John Francis
Reply to  William Teach
December 16, 2020 4:18 pm

I applaud a new site with just factual information. GREAT idea. The new look looks very good. Thanks for everything you do Anthony.

I agree that CAGW skeptics are in for a rough ride. It’s about to happen, especially in criminal proceedings-to-come. I hope and trust we can survive it. Political war is coming. And everyone support Anthony.

Hot under the collar
Reply to  John Francis
December 17, 2020 4:37 pm

Don’t count Trump out yet. There’s a reason they call him ‘the comeback king’.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Hot under the collar
December 18, 2020 1:50 pm

He lost, get over it.
Maybe you can get some recycled badges from the last clown show “Not my President”

Reply to  Adam Gallon
December 19, 2020 4:46 am

If Biden does make it past the massive voter fraud you’d better be ready to learn Chinese to appease your new Chinese overlords.

Reply to  Adam Gallon
December 19, 2020 10:20 am

“Not my President” seems perfect for the Biden administration’s stolen election. I think we’ll recycle as many of those badges as we can find.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Adam Gallon
December 19, 2020 7:52 pm

Yes, if Biden gets installed, I’ll happily wear a “Not MY President” badge to remind Democrats that they set bad examples when they were the underdogs.

Reply to  Hot under the collar
December 19, 2020 10:35 am

Unfortunately, this hill is too much even for him and his resources to climb. At this point, buckle up and get ready for ride – it’s gonna be a wild one. He should have surrounded himself with better people (non-swamp things) and told others “you’re fired” long ago.

Reply to  goracle
December 21, 2020 8:20 am

The various civil service laws prevent the president from firing 99% of those who work for the government.

Reply to  William Teach
December 16, 2020 6:00 pm

Sheldon can do whatever he wants to, but he forgets one IMPORTANT thing in his haste to be in the Public Eye: it’s that nuisance part in the US Constitution’s 1st Amendment that refers to free speech and freedom of the press.
This was tested in Boston, when Henry Miller’s fiction books were imported from France, and he wanted to get them published here in the USA. His fiction, in my view, can’t hold a candle to his non-fiction, which is superb on its own. But the objection to publishing here was that they were pornography and that was obscene.
People in this country have a right to voice and publishing dissenting opinions, whether a self-aggrandizing jackwagon like Sheldon likes it or not. And he won’t, but he’ll try to squelch it. I’m sure he’s after more than just publicity, too. There has to be cash involved.
So prep yourselves for a prolonged public display of climate idiocy, and the publicity that Sheldon can gt out of it. The objective should be to make sure that he is done to a turn, because his intentions are most likely (guessing on this) a run for the next White House seat. I would rather see him sent packing back to his mommy, where he belongs.

Reply to  Sara
December 16, 2020 7:10 pm

The progressives have already started to lay the ground work for eliminating the 1st amendment by claiming that hate speech isn’t entitled to the same level of protection as political speech.
A lot of lower courts have already started to adopt this theory.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2020 9:00 pm

Is there no worry about how more than half the population, angry from having been disenfranchised, might react to a тотаliтагиаи agenda? especially if courts and legislators haven’t the guts to uphold the law and the constitution? This is why the totes want to disarm everybody so they can operate inquisitions with impunity.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 17, 2020 8:47 am

Most progressives surround themselves with only other progressives, as a result that honestly believe that their opinions are so common and popular that only a tiny fringe would disagree with them.

Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2020 9:54 pm


Biden got millions of fraudulent votes.

Reply to  MarkW
December 17, 2020 4:08 am

Mark W, where is your backup for that statement?
And do you have a link for the definition of hate speech?

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 7:50 am

Define? The entire purpose is to deny definition. To paraphrase Lewis Carroll (using Humpty Dumpty) “hate speech” means just what I say it means at the time and circumstance that I need it: And C.E. Lewis in Screwtape Letters #1  “Jargon, not argument, is your best ally … Don’t waste time trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong or stark or courageous. That it is the philosophy of the future. That’s the sort of thing he cares about.”

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 8:07 am

Sara – this slow stealth attack is everywhere. Once you realize what is happening, you will see it.

I believe in Jesus, and the Judeo-Christian Bible. These anti-Christian totalitiarian Marxists have a plan for me and my church.

They will create an episode in which someone is aggrieved; is “hated.” This will be: the Progressives will find a same- sex couple willing to join my church, get involved, and be perceived as authentic, genuine church members, and as believing Christians.
[ANYONE can attend our church, but “members” go through a class or meeting where we are explicitly clear about what it means to be a Christian, and that each individual commits to this – the commitment is merely a signed piece of paper putting our Orthodox Christian believes and statement of faith in writing.
We do not use this to kick anyone out or prosecute anyone. We do not go to your home and make sure you have enough decorative crosses on your walls, or check whether you are working or not on Sunday.
All of that is between you and your Lord; we are just trying to inform and guide you, and this shows that we have done our part. -With minors, we do not just accept a statement of faith – we review all of this with a parent or legal guardian – because, unlike Progressives, we believe the family, and no one else, has authority over raising children.]

This couple will ask to be “married” in our church. [Never mind that many of us get married outside our church, and by clergy no of our church – because we can, and because we can find lower costs or better date availability at other acceptable venues.]

Their request will be declined. Not because of hate, but because of principle.

They will take us to court, under “hate speech” laws.

“Intent,” principle, orthodoxy, etc., will not matter. “Hate” will be seen merely for the action of declining to perform a same -sex marriage.

This is the game. Mark my words. You will see it unfold.

In Houston, former mayor Anise Parker, a “progressive,” wanted to make a Houston law that you coul duse whatever bathroom, regardles of gender. Nevermind that most women do not want this, although Prog women are forced to act liek they support this. In general, women, including Prog women, don’t want laws that make it even easier for men to creep on them.

Many churches opposed this. What did Anise and City Hall do? They subpoena’d the SERMONS of several local churches.

You are not bothered yet?

This did not go over well. Anise and cronies declared, “our legal firm threw that in there by mistake.”

This was obviously high profile, and they were using one of the nation’s leading law firms – that does not make mistakes.

This act of putting churches under the governance of City Hall, under the whims of who might get voted in and out across terms, was not acceptable to most people.

The City gave up on this effort to intimidate churches. For now.

Soon, they will demand that WUWT reveal the IP address from which I posted this, so they can track me down for my Hate Speech. Google, Yahoo, Youtube, Facebook, Apple are already lined up and aligned with the Government to assist in this.



Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
December 17, 2020 8:59 am

Back in the 90’s they had a number of Christian based organizations kicked off college campuses because those groups had rules that those in leadership had to be Christian.

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 8:47 am

The definition of hate speech is pretty much any speech that a progressive disagrees with.

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 8:56 am

Haven’t you heard various progressives proclaim that opposition to gay marriage is homophobia?

Reply to  MarkW
December 17, 2020 12:34 pm

Even suggesting that maybe we should DISCUSS the idea that “trans” women MIGHT have a physical advantage over “cis” women in sports is being branded hate speech.

Reply to  TonyG
December 21, 2020 1:11 am

It is pretty obvious that trans females with male musclature have an unfair advantage.

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 4:58 pm

Apparently, it is anything someone says or publishes that a leftie says offends them (I’m not being sarcastic). In the UK people have been visited by the police who register it as a ‘non crime hate incident’, this will show up on a criminal records check – Disclosure and Barring Service (DBScheck for a potential employer. There have been 120,000 ‘non crime hate incidents’ recorded in the UK in 5 years.
Even children have received a ‘record’ due to playground banter.

Reply to  Hot under the collar
December 17, 2020 5:47 pm

New Zealand: Hate police question man who chalked “Islam is right about women” in front of a mosque. OBVIOUSLY misogynistic hate speech.

Of course, if he had chalked “Islam is wrong about women” it would have been Islamophobic hate speech.

Jim G.
Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 8:35 pm

Clearly, Biden was never as popular in 2020 as Obama was in 2008.
I know Republicans who voted for him (Obama) so that they could be part of history.

Biden did not have the baking of (historically Democrat) police unions.
Numerous (D) officials were/and still are calling for the dismantling of the police.
~129MM voted in 2008
~128MM voted in 2016
But in 2020 there was a whopping 155MM voting.
It would be interesting to know how many citizens over 18 there are in the country, but do recall, Trump tried to put a citizenship question on the census but Dems went nuts.
As Mayor Daley (D) Chicago, said: “Vote early and often.”

Perhaps you could provide insight.
Why would election workers keep one party from observing how the ballots are being handled and tallied.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Jim G.
December 17, 2020 9:24 pm

This is what the United Nations has to say about citizenship and censuses:

11 July 2018




OBJECTIVE 1: Collect and utilize accurate and disaggregated data as a basis for evidence-based policies.


17. We commit to strengthen the global evidence base on international migration by improving and investing in the collection, analysis and dissemination of accurate, reliable, comparable data, disaggregated by sex, age, migration status and other characteristics relevant in national contexts, while upholding the right to privacy under international human rights law and protecting personal data. We further commit to ensure this data fosters research, guides coherent and evidence-based policy-making and well-informed public discourse, and allows for effective monitoring and evaluation of the implementation of commitments over time.


To realize this commitment, we will draw from the following actions:


g) <i>Improve national data collection by integrating migration-related topics in national censuses, as early as practicable, such as on country of birth, country of birth of parents, country of citizenship, country of residence five years prior to the census, most recent arrival date and reason for migrating, </i>to ensure timely analysis and dissemination of results, disaggregated and tabulated in accordance with international standards, for statistical purposes.

h) Conduct household, labour force and other surveys to collect information on the social and economic integration of migrants or add standard migration modules to existing household surveys to improve national, regional and international comparability, and make collected data available through public-use of statistical microdata files.

 i) Enhance collaboration between State units responsible for migration data and national statistical offices to produce migration-related statistics, including by using administrative records for statistical purposes, such as border records, visa, resident permits, population registers and other relevant sources, while upholding the right to privacy and protecting personal data.

Bryan A
Reply to  Jim G.
December 19, 2020 10:17 am

In 2019 there were 328M U.S. (residents/citizens?) https://www.statista.com
Of which approximately 81M were <20.
Provided Statistica data are correct there was a potential voting pool of 247M in 2019. How many were citizens???

James H
Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 10:40 pm

The expanded SCOTUS might discover some emanations and penumbras in the Constitution that disallow “hate speech” such as “climate denialism”.

Reply to  James H
December 21, 2020 8:25 am

I can see them working with the “fighting words” theory.
In many areas, if you use what some call “fighting words”, and somebody punches you, then it’s harder convict that someone of assault, since you started the fight with your words.

The liberals will claim that if you commit “hate speech”, and somebody burns down your house and kills your family, well you started it so don’t complain.

Reply to  William Teach
December 17, 2020 8:37 am

Bug in the new format — can’t scroll to the bottom of the page. Can only scroll about 2/3 down, then trying to go to bottom just goes back to 2/3 down, And what happened to the side menu of recent/top posts?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  beng135
December 17, 2020 1:56 pm


I had the same scrolling issue, but it now appears to have been fixed.

December 16, 2020 10:37 am

Looking forward to the proposed changes. “War footing” is apropos. One thing I’ve notice over the years on WUWT is many here have slowly succumbed to the “carbon” narrative. Not that they believe it, but that they talk in terms of ‘low carbon emissions’ which only gives credence to AGW.

Reply to  markl
December 16, 2020 11:00 am

Any time they say carbon or low carbon we should always call them on it, noting that they are too stupid, and really mean Carbon Dioxide(CO2).


Lorne Newell
December 16, 2020 11:29 am

I think the proponents of the dumpster fire don’t like the term CO2 because it sounds too benign. Carbon is black and therefore bad.

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Lorne Newell
December 16, 2020 12:02 pm

It al stems from the dislike of ‘dirty coal’

Bryan A
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
December 16, 2020 12:37 pm

I can see the Trebuchets rolling up E Capitol Ave as we speak

Maureen from Regina
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
December 16, 2020 2:04 pm

Yes just as the oil sands in Alberta are referred to as the tar sands – hint there is NO tar in the oil sands, just oil. And early explorers in the 1770s to the area noted that oily substances on much of the watershed. I just consider the mining in the area to be humans cleaning up the mess that Mother Nature created.

Reply to  Maureen from Regina
December 17, 2020 10:39 am

You make a semantic distinction which would not hold up with ordinary people. The oil refining industry is about the only place where anyone draws a distinction between petroleum residuals and heavy black organics that come from other sources (coal, wood, tobacco, etc.). Perhaps because tar has various historical bad associations (tarred and feathered, tar baby, tobacco tars, etc.). After all, they are not called the La Brea oil pits.

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
December 20, 2020 11:48 am

Nothing like blaming the fuel for the creations of the combustor. “Dirty coal” is based on not burning the coal properly. Result, smoke. Put some diesel in your gas tank and see how “smoky” diesel is. Put some Jet A in a turbofan engine and presto, diesel is clean. How do they sell this “dirty” argument? People are not as smart as you might think.

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Lorne Newell
December 16, 2020 12:05 pm

I think it all originates from the idea of ‘dirty coal’

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Lorne Newell
December 16, 2020 12:41 pm

Lorne Newell
December 16, 2020 at 11:29 am

Some years ago when we toured the DRAX power station in the UK (you know the one…it’s importing wood pellets from the US and Canada while sitting on a coal mine at Selby). The guide, who was a former miner in the coal mine, said he now had been instructed to refer to the coal they were still using in one boiler as “that black stuff”! I would have thought that being a four letter word these days would have been enough. The brainwashing is well underway.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
December 16, 2020 8:12 pm

“Some years ago when we toured the DRAX power station in the UK (you know the one…it’s importing wood pellets from the US and Canada while sitting on a coal mine at Selby).”

An example of just how crazy Climate Alarmism really is.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Lorne Newell
December 16, 2020 1:19 pm

Lorne–that’s a RACIAL epithet. Watch it buddy.

Ed MacAulay
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
December 16, 2020 3:58 pm

Agreed! We should challenge anytime coal is referred to as being black and dirty. Or when people refer to dirty coal, ask if it is a case of stereotyping just because it is black.

December 16, 2020 12:14 pm

Shouldn’t CO2 be called “oxygen with a pinch of carbon” emissions?

Reply to  Mr.
December 16, 2020 12:25 pm

I’ve been using “Oxygen Plus.”

Bryan A
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
December 17, 2020 10:44 pm

It ain’t just C it’s O two

Reply to  Mr.
December 16, 2020 1:36 pm


Reply to  Mr.
December 16, 2020 6:01 pm

No. Say it loud, say it proud: CARBON DIOXIDE, period.

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 8:28 am

Call it what SciAm called it, a century ago: “the precious air fertilizer.”
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Reply to  Dave Burton
December 18, 2020 9:17 am

The “something else” which worked to create a blank line before the image was a sequence of “funky spaces” that I customarily use to force indentation on Facebook. Let’s see if we can narrow it down, and discover exactly what is necessary to generate an extra blank line, using this system.

Test plain space: [ ]

Test em-space [ ]

Test thin-space [ ]

Test hair-space [ ]

Test zero-width space [​]

Test &zwj; / “zwidge” zero-width word-joiner [‍]

Test nbsp [ ]

End of tests.

EDIT: Well, em-space, thin-space, hair-space, and zero-width space all work. Plain space and nbsp appear to work in the editor, but disappear in the resulting comment (don’t cause a blank line) when you click save.

So, if you want to put an extra blank line in a comment (or a blank line before a picture), you need to paste an em-space, thin-space, hair-space, or zero-width space onto the “extra” blank line.

EDIT #2: Oops, after the edit the only blank line that remained was the one with the zero-width space on it. The other three went away.

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Leo Smith
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 19, 2020 6:42 am

if you want an extra space, try  a unicode double space – is that an ’em’ space?


Unicode characters, now that the fonts support them, are easier to insert than ampersand..semicolon ones

What did the wise men say to Joseph as Mary rode into Bethlehem on a donkey?

“I see you have a nice piece of aß there, Joseph”

Jeff Labute
Reply to  Mr.
December 18, 2020 11:45 am

Hahahaha yeah. O2 with a new active carbon filter for better air, pure air.
Your plants will love it too!

Steve Case
December 16, 2020 12:26 pm

JON P PETERSON December 16, 2020 at 11:00 am
Any time they say carbon or low carbon we should always call them on it, noting that they are too stupid, and really mean Carbon Dioxide(CO2).


Just bluntly tell them, “Quit buying into the bullshit!” Articles here at WUWT showcasing how the United States has lowered its “carbon” footprint as if that’s a good thing, do nothing but piss me off. It boils down to a bumper sticker: CO2 is NOT a problem

Reply to  Steve Case
December 16, 2020 2:29 pm

…our side couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag

we’re limp…act ignorant…sit back and let them get away with it

Old Gobi Jumper
Reply to  Steve Case
December 16, 2020 2:42 pm

Better than not a problem it is a wonderful asset. My has says “CELEBRATE CO2”!

Steve Case
Reply to  Old Gobi Jumper
December 16, 2020 5:39 pm

Old Gobi Jumper December 16, 2020 at 2:42 pm
CO2 is not a problem and CELEBRATE CO2”! are worthy bumper stickers.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Steve Case
December 17, 2020 5:13 am

A T-shirt slogan: “Fight Climate Fear. Warmer is Better.’

Reply to  Old Gobi Jumper
December 17, 2020 11:09 am

What about ‘We are in an Ice Age’

Janice Moore
Reply to  Steve Case
December 16, 2020 3:47 pm

Steve. Thank you.

I have been deeply disappointed by WUWT’s promotion of AGW by commission and by omission for over 4 years, now.

Someone/those who now largely control the content of WUWT has/have a $ interest in keeping the AGW scam going. It’s either that or incompetence or cowardice….

Incredibly, I had to push hard to get WUWT to publish Pat Frank’s AGW-trouncing error bars analysis (initially). At the time, a regular commenter and article writer harshly criticized me. I was not surprised at his telling us not long after that he earns $ from a “carbon storage” (battery, essentially) scheme. And this is just one such example of “something is rotten in Denmark” I could give.

WUWT needs more than new software. WUWT needs to be reformed — or replaced with a site which WHOLEHEARTEDLY argues the case for data-driven science.

I know others agree with me, but, boy was it WONDERFUL to read your unvarnished statement if the way it is.



P.S. (mirthless laugh) And I suppose that, ironically, my comment will serve to keep WUWT 2.0 (1.0 was 2006-15) from being a target of the pro-AGW thugs.

Steve Case
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2020 5:37 pm

Janice Moore December 16, 2020 at 3:47 pm

WOW! Thank you for the encouragement. I hope it doesn’t land me in front of an inquisition.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2020 7:20 pm

Steve: You’re welcome 😊

And, don’t worry about the Inquisition. You see, you are (sort of) expecting it….. and…… well, you know

“Nobody expects the [] Inquisition!”

(Monty Python)


HIGH PRAISE for Anthony (Mr. Davis, I hope you can hear me) for publishing all my remarks.

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2020 8:24 pm

Janice Moore:
Please ask Mr. Watts to wear a helmet before your next comment. … I read at least six climate science websites every day and have my own climate science blog. The only competition for this website had been Jo Nova in Australia, but it has mysteriously morphed into an American politics website. If you know of a better climate website than this one, please tell us.

AGW is not a scam.
It is a theory that is believable.
However the alleged global warming effect from CO2, suggested by lab experiments, is harmless. In fact, I say more CO2 is beneficial. It is the gross government policy overreaction to CO2 (the assumed CAGW) that is the true problem.

Burning fossil fuels does cause pollution.
Burning wood causes a lot of pollution
Two cycle gasoline engines cause pollution.
Burning coal causes pollution.
So reducing the use of fossil fuels is beneficial for reducing air pollution.

Three ways to reduce the use of fossil fuels:
More efficient use of electricity (example LED light bulbs) ,
Using less gasoline via hybrid engine cars that use regenerative braking to charge batteries, and
Substituting cleaner burning natural gas for coal.

Hydro power and nuclear power are even cleaner than fossil fuels with modern pollution controls.

Solar and wind power are a waste of money, unless you want expensive, unreliable energy from bird shredders.

Fossil fuel emissions do matter.
Emissions of real pollution matter.
The CO2 emissions are the good news from burning fossil fuels with modern pollution controls. Because CO2 is the staff of most life on our planet, and CO2 levels are low relative to the needs of most plants. So emissions of of CO2 are beneficial.

Reply to  Richard Greene
December 17, 2020 6:20 am

Richard Greene says: “However the alleged global warming effect from CO2, suggested by lab experiments, is harmless.”

There is no warming effect from CO2. You use the word “alledged” which means without proof. Why would you say AGW is not a scam when you also say there is no proof?

Please provide links or where these experiments you speak of can be found..

Anthony’s CO2 jar experiment demonstrates that increased CO2 does not cause increased warming.

Reply to  mkelly
December 17, 2020 9:04 am

It wasn’t Anthony’s jar experiment, it was Bill Nye’s jar experiment.
Anthony’s only involvement was to show how flawed the design of the experiment was.

Reply to  Richard Greene
December 18, 2020 3:08 am

Most generations before us never had so much clean air as we have today. Most of them lived in a smoke environment all the time like we still see in many poor countries.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 19, 2020 8:04 pm

AGW doesn’t even rise to the level of a theory. It is a poorly supported hypothesis, at best, and probably just a scam.

Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2020 8:23 am

Nuclear power is a “WIN” for everyone.

Have you, or anyone, calculated the carbon dioxide emissions from the concrete used during the great dam building in the early 1900’s? The results were obviously negative until the power production from the dam exceeded the “carbon dioxide” emissions to build it. I’ve never seen any evaluation of this.

The emissions for a nuclear reactor are orders of magnitude less, making nuclear the much preferred alternative.

Bird shredders and bird toasters are definitely bad in all respects. They are expensive per kWh produced and have many negative issues. Animal an birds generally don’t find pleasant conditions around them.
Add in the negative effects from infrasound on a small population, and it’s a very negative effect on human rights.

Windmills have been used for intermittent electricity mainly because propellors, wings, and aerodynamics are well understood. Other systems, such as vertical turbines, weren’t used because they were less understood, even though they had fewer side effects. A clear case of “handing off” the costs to groups too small to defend themselves.

David Archibald
Reply to  Steve Case
December 16, 2020 6:43 pm

Agreed. Words that espouse that sentiment should be redacted. Increased atmospheric CO2 is wholly beneficial. Lowering atmospheric CO2 and lowering the rate of increase of atmospheric CO2 are bad things.

Reply to  David Archibald
December 16, 2020 11:57 pm

I disagree on criticism of JoNova. I find her website a very good read on whats happening with the sedition in the US. If Trump falls we all fall.

Reply to  nc
December 17, 2020 1:19 am

It’s ALL a Marxist-Democrat scam – false enviro-hysteria including the Climate and Green-Energy frauds, the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19, paid-and-planned protests by Antifa and BLM, AND NOW the mail-in ballot US election scam – it’s all false.
We published that the Climate-and-Green-Energy scare was a false narrative in 2002, and by 2009 I wrote that there was a covert agenda, Now the radical greens are admitting that “Global Warming aka Climate Change and Green Energy” was false propaganda, a smokescreen for their neo-Marxist objectives – see recent statements from environmentalist Michael Schellenberger, from Saikat Chakrabarti, former chief of staff for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the latest movie trashing green energy scams from Michael Moore, “Planet of the Humans”.

I called Covid-19 correctly on 21March2020 – NO LOCKDOWN! Covid-19 was a relatively mild flu except for the very elderly and infirm. Covid-19 is less dangerous than seasonal flu’s of recent decades that nobody remembers – the lockdown was not just a huge over-reaction, it was a global scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cjgicrA504

The UN, the WHO, the IMF and the World Economic Forum (WEF) are using the Covid-19 false crisis to reshape the global economy into their neo-Marxist model – the Great Reset.

In October 2019, Event 201, sponsored by the WEF, the Bill Gates Fdn, etc. simulated a global coronavirus pandemic. https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about
Just months later a relatively mild Wuhan-lab-manufactured coronavirus flu was overblown into a false global pandemic, promoted by the WHO into an economy-destroying global lockdown.

The Covid-19 lockdown enabled the huge mail-in vote – the Dems produced millions of false ballots.
The radical green objective is to destroy prosperity and move the USA to a planned economy – with a few rich at the top looking down on the peasants – that describes most countries, and the USA is next if Biden wins.

We stand at the abyss. If Biden wins, it will be the end of freedom. Europe and Canada have already fallen far down that “poverty road to Venezuela”. If America falls, there will be nowhere left to run to.

Leo Smith
December 19, 2020 6:49 am

I wish you were right.

I fear you are not.

This (Northern hemisphere) winter will be the test. If you are right, it will be little worse than a normal flu. If you are wrong, it will be a death rate not seen for decades.

If it is as you suggest, it will destroy the WHO. If you are wrong, it will destroy the society and civilisation as we know it. Complete with the Wokeists.

Reply to  Leo Smith
December 24, 2020 8:41 am

The death rate from Covid-19 or -23? is highly inflated. Spurious cause of death certificates are issued to blame deaths, particularly of the over 65 population, to make it appear larger that life. The CDC, HHS, and other government entities have padded the figures. Any death that is possibly associated with a Covid virus becomes “caused by Covid”, even when it is obviously a minor factor in a disease history that has many causes.

The classic “traffic accident” deaths where an autopsy discovers traces of a Covid infection which automatically turns it into “caused by Covid” is considered “proof of cause”. It is often very difficult for a coroner to isolate one single cause. Federal incentives which reimburse costs for a Covid death blur the actual facts- which are really undetermined.

Reply to  Steve Case
December 17, 2020 10:12 am

“CO2 [emission] is NOT a problem”

Yep. And here’s the ultimate reason WHY:


Reply to  Steve Case
December 17, 2020 5:54 pm

Lowering your carbon “footprint” is a good thing – when it is accomplished by increasing the efficiency of your industrial processes. Which is how the US has done it, by and large.

It is bad when you accomplish it by destroying your industry, either by shutting it down entirely or vastly reducing its efficiency by such idiotic schemes as “carbon sequestration.”

Jim Clarke
Reply to  Steve Case
December 17, 2020 6:31 pm

My bumper sticker says “Save the Planet. Emit CO2”. From my experience, most people don’t understand what it means. Their brains are not wired to believe that CO2 might be a good thing, much less something that will save the biosphere.

Reply to  Jim Clarke
December 18, 2020 3:14 am

I always ask them if they like green trees. And of course they say yes. So I say ‘so you like more CO2 and not less’. Than you see a strange look in their eyes.

December 17, 2020 4:29 pm

Any time they say carbon or low carbon we should always call them on it, noting that they are too stupid, and really mean Carbon Dioxide(CO2).”
I shouldn’t have called them Too Stupid.
They are very smart Marxist/Communists – Just Sayin…

December 17, 2020 7:26 pm

Hmmm, I tried to donate – says I can use my Debit/Credit card but won’t accept without creating a PayPal password – too bad I don’t want to do a paypal account

December 17, 2020 11:22 pm

I’ll try again though

Reply to  markl
December 16, 2020 11:34 am

I’m looking forward to a good scrap.
Have you not heard of 60 year cycle
New ice age? The lake in London’s St James’s Park froze over in 1963
“From the Guardian archive
Climate change
From the Guardian archive, 12 June 1962: The ice age cometh
As glaciers start to advance again, evidence suggests that the Earth may be entering a new ice age. This proposition is not in dispute. To know what changes may be under way at the moment is more difficult. There are some signs that the gradual warming up of the atmosphere which marked the first half of this century may have come to an end with the Second World War, and that a slow decline of temperature may then have taken over.”
Read much more here

Reply to  Vuk
December 16, 2020 4:10 pm

I’m with Vuk here. I want to see how these clowndogs act when there are up to 3.5 feet of snow blanketing Washington, DC, and they can’t get to their offices at the Capitol building.

I also want to see if they try to stifle publications like Old Farmers Almanac and Farmers Almanac, which have historical records on weather, and will these bozos meddle in utility rates which are the business of utility companies, NOT the government. And (not in closing) I want to see those morons in Congress snowed in so that they can’t get out of their offices, and can’t take vacations at taxpayers’ expense.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 8:18 am

I’m with Vuk here. I want to see how these clowndogs act when there are up to 3.5 feet of snow blanketing Washington, DC, and they can’t get to their offices at the Capitol building.

Meh. It’s happened before, 1995 if I remember correctly. Didn’t make a difference.

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 9:48 am

They’re already blaming storms, rain, drought, and snow on “climate change” so they’ll almost certainly just double down.

Reply to  Sara
December 17, 2020 1:05 pm

One important lesson of USSR was emergence of an efficient counter for “point deer, make horse”: drowning in contempt via widespread mockery.

So maybe just start referring to solid water precipitations as “global warming”? As in, “there’s 3.5 feet of soft white global warming on the ground today”.

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Ian W
Reply to  Sara
December 19, 2020 12:47 pm

They will blame 3.5ft of snow on ‘climate change’ and blame all the CO2 for causing it. The politicians have zero background in any science so they will lie convincingly as they believe every word. The ‘do you want fries with that’ multitude in their black uniforms, will agree with them and riot at airports and oil refineries as required, on request.

Reply to  markl
December 16, 2020 1:50 pm

” Not that they believe it, but that they talk in terms of ‘low carbon emissions’ which only gives credence to AGW.”
This is a very important point. The fact is our emissions have very little effect on atmospheric content and thus negligible effect on global temperature or climate. With Harde’s and Berry’s papers and Salby’s videos this point should be front and center in any skeptical argument. It should become the focus of more peer review attempting to falsify it or explaining it’s validity. It is truly the fact that upsets the basis of all CAGW hypotheses. It needs to be clearly repeated in congressional hearings and used in response to all accusations of dangerous denialism. I recommend Dr. Berry’s new book “Climate Miracle” as a place to start.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  markl
December 16, 2020 11:04 pm

I’ve been saying that for years. They merely took a page out of pure Marxist dogma … “take control of the language and install the words that further your own platform/agenda/dialogue”. In the new Marxist, PC language, they have already replaced SEX with “gender”, tolerance with “acceptance” and now “carbon” stands for CO2 … “climate change” stands for AGW and modeled output is called “data” for some reason.

We need to take back the language of science along with the scientific method and correct (fact check) everything the AGW true believers does with real science.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 17, 2020 8:20 am

they have already replaced SEX with “gender””

Been griping about this for years on Seattle’s talk radio station, no one cares one whit it seems. Even the Conservative/Libertarian hosts.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 19, 2020 6:52 am

My post truth philosophy can help here.
Gender is what you wish want or believe you are.
Your sex is what you actually are.

Reply to  markl
December 17, 2020 8:14 am

I can proudly say that our family has near ZERO Carbon emissions-somewhere near 1-2grams per year. We contribute effectively NO carbon emissions to the US total. I think many posters here can say the same.

Seize the narrative- No Carbon Emissions!!

Paul C
Reply to  Philo
December 18, 2020 4:27 am

A peculiarity of carbon emissions is that they are almost identical to carbon sequestration. So this year, when I burnt the toast to produce carbon, rather than emitting it, I sequestered two slices of carbon in the bin. Therefore I have negative emissions of carbon!

Leo Smith
Reply to  Philo
December 19, 2020 6:56 am

Then you don’t buy any products at all? Not even the computer you typed that on?

And you don’t breathe?

A family of four breathes out 1½ tons of CO2 in a year..

The only zero carbon people living today are aborigines and other hunter gatherers in remote locations.

Reply to  Philo
December 19, 2020 12:43 pm

Can’t think of any “Carbon” emissions I am responsible for either

PLENTY of Carbon Dioxide emissions though 🙂

V8 car, use as much electricity as a 3 person household (and that after using gas for cooking).

Two powerful computers on 24/7

I feel I am doing my bit towards the greening of the planet and the sustainability of the world’s plant life. 🙂

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Reply to  markl
December 17, 2020 10:48 pm

The same way loyal opposition occasionally used “assault weapons” and constantly uses “liberals” (and still does so even after it was thrown to the dogs and mostly stopped being loyal), etc. Following the Overton Window.

December 16, 2020 10:41 am


Bless you for the work you do. I agree we are on the cusp of a full court press on anthropogenic CO2 forced global warming (I refuse to say climate change…). The outcome in Georgia is CRITICAL.

Look forward to a donation from me shortly.

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 16, 2020 10:48 am
December 16, 2020 10:49 am

Never lose sight of this, though: Al Gore’s AGW war has two fronts, “settled science” and “skeptic scientists are industry-paid liars for hire.” That second front is the weakest of the two, and it may be the biggest act of libel/slander in history by Gore, created entirely to distract the public and policymakers away from taking AGW skeptic scientists seriously.

Phil Rae
December 16, 2020 10:50 am

Thanks for the heads-up, Anthony! Keep up the good work! We are all here and most of us, I’m sure, won’t go quietly into the darkness!

December 16, 2020 10:52 am

This is one platform in a broader emerging war of world views and ideas. I pray that in the U.S. it does not plunge into a literal shooting war, but I cannot discount that possibility given recent events.

Reply to  Pflashgordon
December 18, 2020 7:40 am
December 16, 2020 10:52 am

CTH de-platforming left quite a mark on the site … the adjustments took over a couple weeks and the tweaks still continue. Thought police have such small minds.

Mike Dubrasich
December 16, 2020 10:53 am

Dear Anthony,

Best wishes for the Season and 2021. New look and reference site are good ideas. Happy as always to make donations. I encourage others to do the same.

I have no doubt that we all will be attacked by the new Red Guard. Sic semper tyrannis. Whatever happens, hold your head high. Don’t let the b*stards get you down. If we go, it will be swinging.

Warmer Is Better. Fight the Ice.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
December 16, 2020 12:28 pm

“Warmer Is Better. Fight the Ice.”
I like it very much. We need a real slogan that will cut through the technical jargon so that the every day person on the street can actually grasp the meaning. People will finally attempt to understand the real science once they have a concept they can relate to. This slogan must be repeated with every blog post, every letter, every speech and every paper so that it is so well known that it becomes part of the common language. People will take notice and may actually start to question why they should want it colder.

Warmer Is Better. Fight the Ice.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
December 16, 2020 2:09 pm

Agree 100%.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
December 16, 2020 8:41 pm

“I have no doubt that we all will be attacked by the new Red Guard.”

I look forward to it. I want to see just how crazy the authoritarian Democrats will get. I don’t think it is going to be as easy for them as they think it will be. A lot will depend on control of the U.S. Senate. If the Republicans control it, then the alarmists can bluster but they won’t be passing any laws restricting free speech. If the Democrats control the U.S. Senate, then they will have free reign to try to take away our free speech. They will have to take it because we are not going to give it up voluntarily.

Maybe we’ll run across some alarmist who has some evidence that Human-caused Climate Change is real. None of the current crop of alarmists who visit WUWT can produce any evidence. They need some new blood.

We need to make up some signs. What was the wording for that sign? CO2 is a harmless, gas. Convince me otherwise.

That’s what we need to tell the energized alarmists that will no doubt show up at WUWT feeling their oats, and arrogance. But none of that will do them any good if they don’t have any evidence that Human-caused Climate Change is real. And they don’t. I will be happy to point that out to them. I’ll bet they’ll want to shut that kind of talk up. Yeah, well, you got it to do. Let’s see if you can shut us up.

old engineer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 16, 2020 10:02 pm

You said: ““I have no doubt that we all will be attacked by the new Red Guard.”
I look forward to it.”

You should not. These people are deadly serious. You do not want to see how crazy the authoritarian Democrats will get. Twenty years ago, I watched a client’s life destroyed by the Federal Judiciary because the EPA did not like him.

Lives will be ruined. And make no mistake, our host here at WUWT is high on the list. I am sure he knows that, and he is very brave. We all need to support him with our financial contributions and prayers.

Reply to  old engineer
December 17, 2020 9:09 am

I don’t remember which state it was in. But recently an explosive device was thrown through the window of a prominent Trump supporter, while the family was home.
Fortunately it was a small device and nobody was in that room, but there was a lot of damage inside the house.

Gregory Woods
December 16, 2020 10:58 am

There is no doubt – we are under siege…

Spuyten Duyvil
December 16, 2020 10:59 am

Anthony, this changeover undoubtedly will take a huge investment in time, energy and money. The quickest way for me to help was facilitated by PayPal a few minutes ago. Good luck, and thanks for all that you and the moderators do.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Spuyten Duyvil
December 17, 2020 12:37 am

Spuyten Duyvil

December 16, 2020 10:59 am

“Good luck, and thanks for all that you and the moderators do.” Yes, I quite agree…we are all very fortunate to have Anthony’s site…we can learn so much. Keep up the excellent work.

New site looks good…I particularly like the red ‘up page’ arrow on the bottom right and the ‘home’ symbol at top left.

Paypal donation made.

December 16, 2020 10:59 am

YouTube, Twitter and the like are already censoring contrary comment, the government will find them to be eager collaborators.

Reply to  Art
December 16, 2020 1:06 pm

The only way to fight the GooFace Twits and Yahoos is to let their advertisers know that you won’t be buying their products until they stop sponsoring dishonest censorship.

Unfortunately , there is more money to be made off the phony Climate Crisis scam (solar arrays, wind turbines, expensive EVs, jacked-up electricity rates, etc. ) than there is from climate realism (slight warming – mostly beneficial, greening, increased crop yields, lower climate-related death rates).

Reply to  Art
December 17, 2020 1:20 pm

This implies LeGooG, Facehug etc are separate from “government”, for purpose of interacting with the outside world. But after Goo high-ups had a conference about “preventing Trump situation”, isn’t this notion… visibly detached from reality?

December 16, 2020 11:17 am

Back into the ‘Trenches’ after all these years. Who knew?

Who saw that coming after 2010?

The rhetoric has gone to “11” since that time. “climate emergency”, give it a rest. It seems to have started to work though.

A tenth of a degree or so over the 1930s seems is enough to constitute an emergency that will see mass extinction.


December 16, 2020 11:28 am

SS Senator Whitehouse is a more demonic corrupt incarnation of Joe Mccarthy.
I would look forward to seeing his “show trial” treated to this sort of witness:

Reply to  hunterson7
December 16, 2020 1:01 pm

As for McCarthy, there were communists who had infiltrated government offices. Also, they were dedicated to the destruction of the United States.

Reply to  MarkW
December 17, 2020 1:32 pm

Sure, but he did miss the forest for the shrubs. Hence the results.

Old Gobi Jumper
Reply to  hunterson7
December 16, 2020 3:27 pm

Yor are right about Senator Whitehouse, but wrong about Senator Mcarthy. He should be celebrated as on of the great American heros. Briefly: The US broke the Russian code and the communications between the communist party and red cells in the USA. McCarthy got access to these files on the condition that he never disclosed the source or that the code had been broken. Since he could not disclose the data he had, he decided to try to break some of the quilty and chain that into those stealing our nuclear secrets. When he brow beat someone on the stand he knew damn well they were lying. Holiwood put up a huge public relations assult to discredit him (and still do). McCarthy went to his grave disgraced rather than disclose that we had broken the code. We don’t witnesss that kind of pattrism today. After Peristoka all this came to light when the Russians unexpecdly turned over all their files on US red cells. This is all documented in the VENONA PAPERS and recent books about McCartjhy. Google it. His legacy is to have his name used, by librals and those not familiar with the truth, like a dirty word like they use “carbon”. The “witch hunt” narrative prevails.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  hunterson7
December 16, 2020 8:44 pm

“SS Senator Whitehouse”

I like it! That’s funny. 🙂

CD in Wisconsin
December 16, 2020 11:30 am

“…There may be worse than that coming, as he seems to genuinely believe we’ve committed some sort of crime and should be punished for it. Make no mistake, it’s coming.

I suspect I’ll be personally targeted as well…”

As I stated in my last posted comment (“The Case Against Sabotaging Biden’s Paris Agreement Plans”, December 15, 2020 at 11:46 am), what we have here is starting to sound like a case of Stalinist Climate Lysenkoism. History DOES repeat itself folks.

With no one on the Republican side (Trump included) demonstrating any intestinal fortitude to prepare and present a case to push back against all of this, there is really nothing from preventing a McCarthyistic witch hunt from happening here. Sen. Whitehouse appears to have volunteered himself as one of its leading cheer leaders — call him the McCarthy or Grand Inquisitioner (Tomas de Torquemada) of climate alarmism. I keep thinking of Galileo here as well.

Witch hunts have historically been driven by either political or religious ideologies, and the morphing of climate alarmism into some kind of quasi- or pseudo-religious or political doctrine makes the case for yet another witch hunt happening here. Burn the climate heretics! Burn them all! I foresee a run on pitchforks and torches.

I trust that you and your readers understand all of this Anthony, and a $50 donation is on its way to you. Keep up the great work.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
December 16, 2020 1:19 pm

Another Democrat is demanding that Pelosi use a Civil War era law to deny seating to anyone who supported Trump’s lawsuits against states that violated their own election laws.

Apparently asking states to follow their own law is now considered treasonous by the socialists.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 17, 2020 5:52 am

I think there is also a Civil War era law that allows one Republican from the House of Representatives, plus one Republican Senator to question the electoral votes of various States once the electoral votes go to Congress for confirmation.

The Democrats tried this tactic in 2001, but they couldn’t find a U.S. Senator to sign on so Vice President Al Gore had to tell them their questioning of the electoral votes did not meet the requirements and the electoral votes were certified.

In the case of the 2020 election, the Republicans may very well have a Republican Senator or several, who are willing to challenge the electoral vote count.

That is a path to showing some of the fraud that has taken place during this election and is also a possible path for President Trump to remain president.

If the House of Representatives has to vote to determine the president, then in its current configuration, Republicans would have the majority of votes since they control the majority of State legislatures, and Trump could be elected president by them. In the U.S. Senate, which selects the vice president, the Republicans have the majority and could choose Vice President Pence.

If the Democrats win control of the U.S. Senate, then it would be President Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris! 🙂

What a long, strange trip it has been!

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 17, 2020 9:14 am

The best the Democrats can do in the Senate is 50/50. At the time the senate is voting on VP, Pence would still be the current VP. On the other hand I don’t believe the VP gets to vote when the senate is determining VP.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
December 18, 2020 4:25 pm

If I’m not mistaken, since the Georgia runs off are the day before, the Senate would be 50/48 as I doubt the election results can be tabulated and certified and the winners sworn in to office in the hours between the polls closing the night before and Congress counting the EC votes the next day.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 18, 2020 9:12 am

@Tom, the Dems tried it again with the 2004 election (with Ohio, instead of Florida), only this time they had Barabra Boxer in the Senate agreeing. It went nowhere.

What happens when you get both a rep and a senator to agree to such a move is: there will be a 2-hour debate in each chamber followed by a vote. Both chambers have to agree to toss the EC Votes of the state in question (in the case of the 2004 election, both chambers were controlled by republicans and the motion failed in both chambers)

Given that the Dems control the house and that the senate is nearly evenly split (plus there’s plenty of RINOs) getting the motion to pass in even one chamber will be difficult, and nearly impossible to get it to pass in both chambers.

Assuming that feat of magic is accomplished, Trump would be the likely winner (The republicans have the edge in state delegations even though the Dems have the majority of seats) In the house.

In the Senate, however, VP Harris is unlikely (barring RINO defections, a caveat that stand for the rest of this paragraph) even if the Dems win both Georgia run-off elections (which won’t be certified yet, as the run-offs happen on Jan 5 and the EC vote count is Jan 6) the Republicans already have half the seats, so if the Georgia seats are vacant, Pence is the likely winner. But let’s assume the Dems win the Georgia seats and get their candidates seated overnight, then the worse case is a tie. The VP (still Pence on Jan 6th) might not get to vote to who the VP will be (the 25th appears to rule it out in the case of the president nominating a VP to fill a vacant VP seat, but it’s not entirely clear if that also applies to this scenario. Some theorize that in the case of such a tie the sitting VP would be in position to vote himself into office), so the Senate outcome could be interesting to watch.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 18, 2020 9:34 am

The scarier scenario is if congress fails to select a winner for both president and vice-president by inauguration day. Then the speaker of the house (President Pelosi? *shudder*) becomes acting president until such time as congress manages to get a vote that doesn’t end in a tie.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Endicott
December 18, 2020 7:20 pm

We don’t want Nancy as president!

Maybe AOC can manage to get Republican Kevin McCarthy in as speaker. Nancy needs about all the Democrat votes. If a few decide not to vote for her she is in trouble.

Pelosi just dissed AOC by refusing to put her on a House committee that deals with climate change.

Thanks for that detailed explanation of the questioning of the electoral votes, John. It will be a mess, and the Left will howl, but I think it’s going to happen.

One good thing about it, the Republicans will get to air some of their evidence for an illegitimate election taking place in some States, and I imagine tens of millions of American will be tuned in for the hearings and they will get to hear all the gory details.

Sidney Powell wants Trump to seize all Dominion voting machines. They claim they have found machines that switched Trump votes to Biden in both Michigan and Wisconsin. And they want to look at more machines.

This is one heck of an election, isn’t it. 🙂

December 16, 2020 11:39 am

The struggle continues.

Clyde Spencer
December 16, 2020 11:45 am

“The only thing necessary for evil to triumph …” was probably never more true in this country considering all the accusations about election fraud, and the Media typically reporting on it as “baseless.” The way the Media thinks, if a woman is raped, they shouldn’t take the accusation seriously unless she presents a videotape of the act, along with a signed confession by the perpetrator(s). They forget that our law enforcement agencies are funded with the explicit expectation that they will investigate accusations, determine credibility, and search for facts related to the accusation. The swamp is deeper than most expected!

The Fourth Estate has become a Fifth Column.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
December 16, 2020 8:48 pm

“The Fourth Estate has become a Fifth Column.”

Yes, this last election just proved it.

Climate believer
December 16, 2020 11:48 am

I support your endeavours, new site looks much better.
Their “climate change™” agenda is fundamentally anti-capitalist.

Derek W Wood
December 16, 2020 11:50 am

The new Administration will be the old one. Win Win. Biden won’t be POTUS, and the Dems are done. Trump will nail man-made climate change once and for all.

Reply to  Derek W Wood
December 16, 2020 4:13 pm

If not, another win win is that smokeless powder does not contain carbon, like traditional gunpowder does.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Scissor
December 19, 2020 8:21 pm

There is a fair amount of carbon in nitrocellulose! Its combustion produces CO2.


Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Derek W Wood
December 17, 2020 8:26 am

Derek, I’m afraid you’re delusional.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 18, 2020 9:54 am

Not so much delusional as just overly and unreasonably optimistic. The only scenario left that would have Trump win, is the gambit the Dems tried and failed in Jan 2001 and Jan 2005, and Jan 2017 – Have a Rep and a Senator object to certain states EC vote. The problem with that scenario is you’d need some Dem votes in the house to get those EC votes tossed (though with the house so close, I supposed if enough Dems failed to show up for that session, but all the Republicans did, it’s theoretically possible though highly unlikely there could be a “surprise” outcome in the house as, I believe, it has to be a majority of those present/voting, not necessarily a majority of the house seats). Without both the house and senate voting to toss the EC votes of those states, it’ll go nowhere (as was the case in 2005 when Sen Boxer joined the house objection, which is the furthest that scenario managed to ever get).

In short, Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely in reality. Any such attempt in all likely hood will end up being symbolic, changing nothing.

December 16, 2020 11:51 am

Well, if it’s anything like the Last Refuge & Sundance, it was painful, but eventually (still has teething problems) successful, getting done with massive support from their branch members (pun intended)

I see no reason why WUWT shouldn’t transpose hosting sites with the same level, if not more, support.

December 16, 2020 11:51 am

If the GOP and Mitch McConnell can keep control of the Senate via the Georgia senate run-offs in 3 weeks, then Senate libturds like Sheldon Whitehouse and Low-IQ Markey will just be nothing more than toothless chicken-littles, running around screaming and soiling themselves to no effect. A divided 117th Congress, Senate – GOP, House – Dems, will severely kneecap anything Dementia Joe and Commie Kamala can do. And everyone knows that. That is why the Dems are going to do everything they can to steal the Georgia senate run-off elections by fraud mail-in ballots there if they can.

The 2022 mid-terms roll around and the House of Reps will likely fall to GOP control as well. Then in last 2 years of Biden-Harris and their band of criminals and bedwetters will have nothing left but to go to Obamalama-style “pen and phone” antics, … unconstitutional antics that’ll get tied up in the courts and go nowhere with a solid textualist conservative SCOTUS majority no in place. That is why the Libs were soiling themselves over ACB’s replacement of uber-lib RBG on the Supreme Court in October. None of that actually had anything to do with abortion, which is just a red-meat issue to ignorant libs to what is really at play.

The House of Reps will be under Dem control for the 117th Congress though, but all they can do is more meaningless “Special committees on Climate Change” nonsense. That’s because the Dem’s majority there is so slim that even just 3 or 4 Dems from fossil fuel states like Pennsylvania and New Mexico nervous and balking with a close re-election in 2022 will be all that is needed to keep any real stupidity in check there.

As for hardening the WUWT web access, ALL users here need to know how to disable Javascript if malicious site redirects start happening again. And most of all know not to click on stuff if a page re-direct happens telling you install some fake “anti-virus update.” Just close the page, disable Javascript, and re-open WUWT in a new window. And keep your OS and browsers up to date and do not install/use Adobe Flash malware.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 12:46 pm

I don’t think you should bank on a Rep Senate stopping anything. The Biden administration can do more than enough damage using EPA, Energy Depart, etc., regulations. They have the EPA Finding of Endangerment for CO2 on which to hang all the economy destroying regulations they desire. Between that and executive orders we are doomed.

The only possible option for limiting the damage is Separation of the sane conservative states from those controlled by the Dems.

Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 16, 2020 1:12 pm

Obozo’s unconstitutional CPP was knee-capped by an unprecedented SCOTUS injunction (legally called a “Stay.”) The American Bar Association properly identified that CPP Stay with, “This is the first time the Supreme Court has ever issued a stay on regulations before an initial review by a federal appeals court.”

Without Congress’s legislative approval, there not much more Dementia Joe and Commie Kamala do but resurrect Obama’s CPP and then watch the current Supreme Court put another Stay on it.

On the Obozo’s WOTUS rules, rules engineered to ultimately go after Fracking via waste-water disposal, those too were put on hold by the Supreme court. Same would happen again.

As for what Dementia Joe can do, one immediate thing is a return to the Obama EPA CAFE rules on auto mileage. And also allow Cal’s CARB to regain its lost power to control automakers and setting its own emission standards waiver. But that CARB’s influence will wane in coming years if Cal continues on its path to outlaw ICE vehicle sales in by 2035 while the other 49 maintain some sanity. But I see a real implosion of political will coming for Cal as the on-going exodus of Wealth from California is going to have to wake-up Sacramento the damage they causing themselves. With the US Senate likely to remain in GOP control, California will NOT get the Federal bailout that Sacramento Dems have been hoping for. So some real fiscal pain is coming for Blue States like Cal, NY, NJ, RI and Illinois.

Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 17, 2020 9:56 am

Agreed. A 51-49 majority only requires one vote not along party lines to throw it to the VP for a tie breaker.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 4:28 pm

Speaking of Mitch, he’s allowed the “blue slip” of judicial nominees at the District Court level to remain in effect. Of course there’s no doubt that if the Dems get the Senate and Biden gets in, they’d do away with that in a heartbeat. 50 vacancies that could have gone to Trump judges will probably go to Biden. More spine transplants needed…. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/why-the-blue-slip-deserves-a-pink-slip.php

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 8:53 pm

“The House of Reps will be under Dem control for the 117th Congress though, but all they can do is more meaningless “Special committees on Climate Change” nonsense. That’s because the Dem’s majority there is so slim that even just 3 or 4 Dems from fossil fuel states like Pennsylvania and New Mexico nervous and balking with a close re-election in 2022 will be all that is needed to keep any real stupidity in check there.”

Yes, this is an important point that should be kept in mind.

lawrence brown
December 16, 2020 11:59 am

243 years ago, Americans survived Valley Forge.
76 years ago, Americans survived Bastogne.
6 weeks ago, the left stole a landslide re-election from a sitting president.

He may survive, he may not, and though it’s good to prepare WUWT,
we’re not dead yet!

Janice Moore
Reply to  lawrence brown
December 16, 2020 3:08 pm

Amen, Mr. Brown!

The battle for only legal votes to be counted is far from over. Donald Trump, the de facto president, will be, de jure, in office 4 more years, Deo volente.

Take heart!




Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2020 5:25 pm

Janice Moore
December 16, 2020 at 3:08 pm

Dear Janice.

I do not mean to give you false hopes, but for what is worth, in clear proposition that I could be wrong but still believing to have got this right, please let me state the proposition of how the election stands at this point in time.

First, The Constitution of USA allows for dual Electors voting… dual and not dueling.
If I am not wrong in such a case the Constitution directs by a clear statute that Congress
counts all the votes as they stand before Congress, both sets, as both sets valid unless the ultimate authority over such votes, the Legislature of the State of a given dual set clearly
indicates otherwise.
In this case, the candidate with most votes wins the presidency, regardless of the
270 mark.
In the case of dual electoral votes in the counting, the 270 mark is invalid, whatever the summary.

Second, but not least.
The authority of the State Legislature in the case of the electoral votes of a given State can not be overruled or even challenged by any other institution or any summary of other institutions, even the Congress of USA.

Any objection to electoral votes during the counting is bound in submission to such a given Constitutional Authority of a State over the elector votes.

In the consideration that 7 States have sent dual votes already to Congress, if the respective Legislatures don’t act at all before 6th of January, then all votes count as they stand at that time in Congress… as all votes including dual votes are clearly legit.

In case I happen to be wrong with this, I am sure you will be kind enough in your good heart to forgive me for giving you some false hope. 🙂

All for the best.


Reply to  whiten
December 16, 2020 8:01 pm

First off, the winner of the electoral college needs an absolute majority.
Secondly I have never head of this dual elector concept you talk about.
The electoral college takes only one vote, something like the 3rd Wednesday in December. If either candidate gets 270 votes, it’s over. If neither gets 270, then it goes to the House and Senate. In either case, the electoral college has no more role.

Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2020 9:02 pm

Here’s an explanation and apparently something similar happened in 1876 with Tilden initially taking more electoral votes than Hayes.


The fat lady has cleared her throat.

Reply to  Scissor
December 17, 2020 9:28 am


Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2020 9:28 pm

December 16, 2020 at 8:01 pm

Sorry you have not heard yet about the 7 States, 6 swing states plus N.Mexico, which have already officially sent to Congress 2 sets of electoral cast votes.

One set is a GOP electors cast votes. Valid, legit elector votes.
2 sets of votes for each of those states are sent to Congress, both do count, unless the respective Legislatures of these states clearly indicate otherwise.
Dual votes.

Have you heard in the MSM lately about the case of dueling electoral votes sent to Congress by some states?
Guess what… a misleading term for dual.

Hey already happened, seven states have sent officially double of the votes.
In the counting of such the 270 has no value anymore.

But hey, still I could be wrong. 🙂

But you see, still USA constitution states in some paragraph, in consideration of electoral votes counted in Congress, that the candidate with most votes gets the presidency, with no regard to the 270 mark.
How could that be? What for? in what case?
Does it happen to be there just for fun?

Still I could be wrong in this one too, possibly.
A lot of mesmerizing mess there… too easy to be confused and mislead. 🙂

But one thing though,
the only authority that can invalidate election results and/or the official electoral votes in a given state,
(including the GOP votes in the given cases),
is and happens to be the respective Legislature of that state… no one else… not even SCOTUS.
A special indisputable authority delegated and invested clearly and specifically by the grace of USA Constitution.


Reply to  whiten
December 17, 2020 9:22 am

If whoever gets the most votes in the electoral college always gets the presidency, then there would be no need for the House and Senate to ever vote.

Reply to  MarkW
December 17, 2020 12:16 pm


Yes Mark you are right!

Oh well, that so only in proposition of a banana republic.
In a real one, the process must include proper means and a platform for the purpose of the minority blocking and overriding a process if that must be so.

You must have heard the clause of objection against the
elector vote process in Congress.

Meaning that if the objection successful the decision for the presidency is removed from the electoral vote process and assigned to a voting in the Congress floor.

The objection can be initiated as granted by the constitution
in the proposition of minority of one, which in case of the Congress House consist as a coupling of 1 member from each side of the house.

And there can be as many objections brought forward technically, as many couplings there can be.

But still the main proposition of such objections stands as to the aim of discarding the elector votes process entirely in its entirety from the means of deciding the presidency.

You see, that is why Congress still have to take a vote of confirmation, as this process provides and guaranties as a last resort the proposition and the platform for/from a minority challenge, one of the most and top vital requirements for a fair just social-civil democracy.

You see, a congress minority of one,
(a coupling of 1 member from each side of the House, lower and high),
can object the entire electoral votes process in the Congress… with the given chance of a successful objection rendering the entire electors votes process in Congress as discarded.

Hopefully you understand this explanation.


December 16, 2020 12:01 pm

First comment/reply.

Bearing in mind, I know nothing about web hosting, but in the interest of protecting WUWT, perhaps those more knowledgeable can comment on this approach to hosting?


Evidently, there are broken links on that site. But in general, the idea of doing one’s own hosting with no dependence on providers, might merit a closer look.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  Anthony Watts
December 16, 2020 2:58 pm

I host several hobby websites from my attic. It is easy and cheap to do, so long as:

1 – you have a very low number of visitors. Less than 100/day.
2 – you do not host discussion blogs, and change the pages occasionally rather than frequently.
3 – you don’t do anything controversial to draw attention to yourself, and become a target for attacks
4 – you don’t need to patch and update too frequently
5 – your visitors don’t mind if you are down for a day or so at a time due to H/W problems or power cuts

Unfortunately, WUWT is completely different to my sites, and doesn’t fit ANY of the conditions above…

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
December 17, 2020 10:00 am

I have experience building high-availability high-scalability websites and would be happy to help, should WUWT go that route.

Bryan A
Reply to  BF
December 16, 2020 4:06 pm

“Broken links” could prove to be apropos given the site address and content.

Michael in Dublin
December 16, 2020 12:05 pm

The arrogance and ignorance of people like Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse needs to be ridiculed and mocked.

If the brightest people can not tell us what the ideal climate ought be in each of the different climate zones during the four seasons, how can they prescribe temperature ranges needed to avoid a calamity?

Despite extraordinary feats of engineering of huge ships, towering skyscrapers, massive dams and much more, who among the most brilliant minds is so foolish as to think he can engineer an ideal climate in the dozen different climate zones?

It is ironic that those who most fervently deny the existence of a sovereign and all powerful Creator are nevertheless so eager to play God.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 16, 2020 12:35 pm

Well in the Senate IQ department, Sheldon Whitehouse is not at the bottom, but he is close.

The dumbest (low IQ) Senator by a long ways is Crazy-Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, she may have some academic credentials from her distant past, but clearly too much Hawaiian tropic sun has turned her into a real fruitbasket. Next dumbest is without a doubt the Low-IQ Markey of Massachusetts. Markey couldn’t find his way out a paper bag most days. Sheldon Whitehouse probably sits at the 3rd from the bottom position of lowest IQ in the US Senate.

But it is a constant race to the bottom for Democrats vying for The Dumbest Senator title. The oldest US Senator now is California’s Diane Feinstein, said to be suffering from regular bouts of lost memory/thought by age-related dementia (like Dementia Joe but probably worse) and even the LA Times calling on her to resign she is so incapacitated.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 1:24 pm

If CA had a Republican governor, the LA Times would be first in line to declare that any who questioned Feinstein’s fitness for office should be jailed for misogyny.

Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2020 2:03 pm

Gov Nuisance is going being pushed by the hard left wing of the Dems to replace Senator Commie Kamala with a radical leftist. But that could be a really stupid mistake with the lessons of this last election settling in on Democrats and their donor base. Nuisance could end up replacing Harris with someone so Radical that he/she could lose the open general election to a Republican, or at least make the race so close to drive them to spend lots of money to saved the seat.
Same thing for a Feinstein replacement. Gov Nuisance putting a temporary radical Leftist stand-in could cause deep anxiety then when the election comes and the voters want someone more centrist. It happened in Deep Blue Massachusetts in 2010 for the Ted Kennedy seat and massively upended and destroyed the Obama legislative agenda in ways no one could have imagined at the time.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 9:09 pm

I see where the recall petition for the California governor has reached 750,000 signatures. That’s about half way to getting enough signatures. Newsome is said to be worried about the petition.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 17, 2020 9:30 am

After the Governator, I don’t have a lot of hope in a recall making much difference.
Regardless, it says a lot about California politics, that California could end up recalling two governors in 20 years.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 4:09 pm

I understand that Bernie will be making one of his houses available for a few of these Dems to spend weekends there.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 9:06 pm

“Sheldon Whitehouse probably sits at the 3rd from the bottom position of lowest IQ in the US Senate. ”

Danang Dick Bluementhal should fit in there somewhere, and you ought to include all those who voted for him as low IQ, too. Bluementhal lied about serving in Vietnam, yet fools in his State still elected him to office. You have to be pretty stupid to vote for a known liar to represent you.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 17, 2020 9:32 am

There is a significant fraction of the population who votes based solely on how much free stuff the candidate is promising. These voters form a substantial majority in most Blue states.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 17, 2020 8:33 pm

If you dislike pseudoscience, may want to look at IQ more closely (for example, what Taleb wrote on it). :]

But yeah, “Brezhnevisation” of the USA Inner Party is quite visible. Well, Pelosi plainly stated that in certain districts «a glass of water with a ‘D’ next to it» would win, didn’t she?

Geoffrey Williams
December 16, 2020 12:06 pm

I think it all originates from the idea of ‘dirty coal’

Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
December 17, 2020 1:31 am

Yes dirty black coal – photos of miners covered in the powder.

Yet BlackRock , the mega hedge fund right now running the US economy, is obviously a very filthy green outfit, endorsing the entire financial green agenda.

Carbon disclosure by decree for firms looking for investment goes :

“How much dirty carbon have you?”
“Here, I’ll trade my dirty carbon for your filthy green swill”.

A bit piggish at the money trough today?

December 16, 2020 12:12 pm

Whitehouse is the least of your problems. The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset is far worse because once you yield to their motto “You won’t own anything and you’ll be happier”, climate concerns will be the last thing on your minds. It won’t be pretty for any of us.

Reply to  RockyRoad
December 16, 2020 2:50 pm

The WEF and UN have no sovereignty over the US. And unlike the EU and its council of minister that control it, there are real electoral checks and balances in the US on radical politics, both left and right.

The US’s biggest problem will be the constitutional crisis that will happen when VP Commie Harris goes after her boss via a 25th Amendment coup d’état. With a US Presidential Administration so distracted by such an upheaval, it will be an open invitation to bad actors China, North Korea, Russia, and Iran to cause major problems for world geopolitical stability by taking military actions in their own spheres of influence. The forces at play would be so non-linear that how it all would turn out no one can/could predict.

Black Swans will be everywhere with the incompetent, climate scam-focused Dementia Joe Administration and the bad actors in the World taking advantage of that.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 16, 2020 9:14 pm

“The US’s biggest problem will be the constitutional crisis that will happen when VP Commie Harris goes after her boss via a 25th Amendment coup d’état.”

My expectation is that Joe Biden will, at some point, resign due to “health” factors, as a means to avoid prosecution for selling his vice presidential office for profit.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 17, 2020 10:03 am

Remember a week or two ago when he said that if he had a major policy disagreement with Harris that he would “develop a disease or something and be forced to resign”?

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 17, 2020 4:36 pm

I’m afraid after the 2020 election, that there are no longer any “checks and balances” in the USA any more !

December 16, 2020 12:18 pm

Anthony, if one wanted to offer his or her software development skills, how might one go about contacting you or your team to arrange help?

December 16, 2020 12:20 pm

Sucks to be on the losing side of an election.

Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 16, 2020 12:50 pm

your comment will certainly not age well. The US voters need Biden-Harris criminals and incompetents to remind them once again why Crooked Clinton was rejected.

Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 16, 2020 12:55 pm

Not really. Well, at least that’s not how the US government is supposed to be arranged. There’s a majority party and a minority party. The minority party has rights, too, unlikely in centuries past where the minority or opposition their heads removed from their bodies.

Reply to  leowaj
December 16, 2020 1:27 pm

Like most “progressives” bethan wants to return to an error where executing those you didn’t like was considered one of the rights of kings.

Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2020 8:02 pm

era, not error. Though it would be an error to go back to that era.

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
December 18, 2020 6:09 am

Funny how some typos/autocorrect errors just seem to work out well in the end

Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 16, 2020 1:26 pm

Why am I not surprised to find out that one of resident progressives has no problem with using the full power of government to persecute those you disagree with.

She’d probably volunteer to be a death camp guard.

Todd Nelson
Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 16, 2020 3:04 pm

It wasn’t the election that it sucks to be on the losing side of. It is the theft of that election that it sucks to be on the losing side of. It always sucks when someone steals anything of yours. and this was no different.

Joel Snider
Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 16, 2020 3:15 pm

Fraud sucks. Treason sucks.

But that’s what progressive Marxists do.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 16, 2020 9:19 pm

“Sucks to be on the losing side of an election.”

We’ve been there before, and we came back strong, and we will do the same in the future. Conservatives are not going away. You’ll see.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 17, 2020 9:13 am

It’s actually not so bad now, with the new rule that if you lose, you get to throw a tantrum, and scream and cry “no fair, we actually won”, “the election was stolen”, “voter fraud” etc. etc. Easy peasy. And if it undermines all elections, and thus democracy itself, and possibly even results in civil war, tough. Because “they” shouldn’t have “cheated”, so it’s their fault.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 17, 2020 11:04 am

“Because “they” shouldn’t have “cheated”, so it’s their fault.”

Yes, it is their fault. If you let criminals get away with their crime, they will just do it again.

Did you complain the same way when the Democrats were throwing their tantrum over the 2016 election? I don’t recall you doing so.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 17, 2020 1:28 pm

You don’t recall, eh? You mean you assume, and you assume wrong. The Dems were wrong to say “not my president”, but even that isn’t as bad as the lying that the TraitorTrumpies are doing. And you are both lying and using circular logic calling voters “criminals”. You should be ashamed.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 17, 2020 6:02 pm

Who cares how much evidence is presented, you hate Trump and anything that defeats him is good.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 18, 2020 5:06 am

An unreasonable hate, too. He can’t even articulate why he hates Trump so much. When you ask him, he has no answer. Maybe it’s a personality thing between him and Trump. It can’t be a policy difference, otherwise Bruce would bring it up. What do you say, Bruce, are you just overly emotinal about Trump?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 18, 2020 5:03 am

“And you are both lying and using circular logic calling voters “criminals”.”

So you think I’m calling the voters cheaters. How ridiculous. No, I’m saying the Democrat election officials and possibly some Republicans are the criminals in this election fiasco.

You claim I’m assuming you didn’t criticize Democrats for their whining after the 2016 election. Could you supply a link or two showing your criticism? Because I think I would have remembered if you ranted against the Democrats the way you are ranting against the Republicans now.

So could you back up that claim?

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 17, 2020 6:01 pm

Who cares if there actually was cheating. It’s more important that we fool the people into believing that the process was fair so that when we steal the next election nobody will be the wiser.
All you care about is that your guy won, you don’t care how.

Reply to  bethan456@gmail.com
December 17, 2020 4:45 pm

Problem is – that the loosing side is actually the winning side – just ask Eric Coomer – or if you really want the facts ask Joe Oltmann – look them up if you don’t know what I’m talking about!
Have no idea why they haven’t been on the front page like in the old Watergate days.
(Dominion Voting Systems)

December 16, 2020 12:23 pm

“… WUWT is launching a new, second website that will be a reference website for many climate topics, linked to the main WUWT site in the menu. It won’t be a discussion or a blog, but more like a user friendly climate wiki….”


Consolidating the great resources and discussions into a wiki style reference will be a powerful tool. A lot of options there. Backing up WUWT at your own pace before some “…. monger” forces your hand could prove invaluable.

On another note, there is likely a grand opportunity for the creation of a service provider/hosting site not beholden to the likes of the current leftist cult/culture.

December 16, 2020 12:28 pm

This is a thoughtful place, a rarity these days. It must be protected. My will has been thwarted by midnight presses manufacturing an unpopular vote. January 21st will be the evil pen’s first day of work, and we must prepare now.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Ross
December 17, 2020 8:36 am

But.. but .. Joe said he would fight hard for everyone, even those who didn’t vote for him. He wouldn’t lie… would he??

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 17, 2020 6:03 pm

Like when he claimed that he had never said he would ban fracking, right after giving a speech promising to ban fracking.

December 16, 2020 12:29 pm

Remember, it is the “yet to be submitted for ratification Paris Climate Treaty.”

December 16, 2020 12:36 pm

I wonder if the idea of a show trial might be a good thing. I feel that defense should, in a fair trial, decimate the whole idea of the climate crisis.

Reply to  Anthony Watts
December 16, 2020 1:09 pm

On other blogs the word “Wolverines!” has been an effective clarion call.

Reply to  Rob_Dawg
December 16, 2020 1:29 pm

Absent that, “Going Galt”, to whatever extent you can is another option.

Reply to  Rob_Dawg
December 16, 2020 1:47 pm

Mouvement des gilets jaunes works for moi.

John Endicott
Reply to  Anthony Watts
December 16, 2020 1:21 pm

Indeed, you need only look at how much “defending” the Dems in the house allowed during their manufactured impeachment nonsense to know that defending yourself will not be allowed. If they wouldn’t let the Presidents team ask questions or present witnesses , why would anyone expect there will be a fair hearing with time to present any kind of defense when it comes to their Climate show trials?

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Anthony Watts
December 16, 2020 2:32 pm

Exactly, we’re now in an Idiocracy. Sense and logic have lost their power now that reality has no bearing on what people believe.

Thanks WUWT
Reply to  Anthony Watts
December 17, 2020 2:16 am

It might not be an enjoyable experience, but the left would be crazy to go after you or any other skilled denier or skeptic. You and your lawyers would embarrass them in court. And reveal to the public the other side. I’m not a lawyer, but I see this ultimately as a free speech issue and if it got to the Supreme Court, I like your chances. “Walk toward the fire.”

Reply to  Thanks WUWT
December 17, 2020 6:08 pm

You assume this would go to court.
More likely the companies that provide hosting services would find reason’s why they could no longer do business with him. Anyone who advertises on this site will find that IRS has decided that they need to be audited, every year for the next decade. The Justice Dept conducts a highly publicized raid on their facilities, telling the press that they’ve had an anonymous tip that child labor and prostitution were being conducted on this site. etc.

John Endicott
Reply to  Thanks WUWT
December 18, 2020 7:41 am

Like MarkW pointed out, they won’t go at him directly in court. Instead they’ll go indirectly – “de-platforming” (IE getting their web hosts to drop them, getting their advertisers to stop advertising with them, getting search engines not to return hits to their pages etc) & “false flaging” are some of their favorite tactics for silencing the voices that don’t want heard.

Reply to  John Endicott
December 18, 2020 10:02 am

Remember that in the earlier days of WUWT the ‘Climategate Team’ included Anthony Watts and WUWT as well as others to be ‘names not to be spoken’ in hopes that he/they would fade away. Their boat has been and is still being rocked. WUWT will reach half-a-billion hits in the near future (tally now is 436,051,326). Considering the level of knowledge of the readers and commenters that is an astounding achievement!!!! 

December 16, 2020 12:39 pm

This is not about climate it is all to do with control

Reply to  iain
December 17, 2020 1:39 am

Correct, control of the US, who did not amuse Britain in 1783. Trump certainly did not amuse these, and got the full color revolution treatment for 4 years.
Control by “climate”, especially control by green finance. The EU is already controlled, with one or two dissenters.
Now what would want such control, I wonder?
It defines Empire.
Deja vu?

December 16, 2020 12:42 pm

As far as I can tell, Biden is stuck with the Supreme Court as it is. ie. he can’t increase the size and appoint a pile of left wing radicals.

The Supreme Court should make quick work of any show trials.

Aren’t the congress critters sworn to uphold the constitution? Show trials should be the epitome of unconstitutionality.

Reply to  commieBob
December 16, 2020 12:58 pm

Democrat Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia has stated on-the-record he would NOT support an increase of Supreme Court justices (pack the court with liberals). That effectively means it can’t happen even if the Dems do take both Georgia senate seats and then would take Senate majority via a VP Harris tie-breaker.
And with the Dem’s House of Reps majority for next year so small, there is no way such a controversial piece of legislation like Packing the Supreme Court could get through there as well.
So packing the the US Supreme Court with Libtards seems to be a threat that can’t happen for at least the next 2 maybe 4 years.

Reply to  commieBob
December 16, 2020 1:20 pm

IF the Dems take the Senate, then they can pack SCOTUS if they choose. (Still Dem House majority. With Senate majority and Biden to sign the bill, fait accompli.) Article 3 §1 leaves it to Congress to set the SC size. The 9 we have now was set by act of Congress in 1869.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 16, 2020 2:59 pm

In Washington DC, politics always overrides reality. Just as the the climate scam has nothing to do with reality, and everything to do with politics and power, so too with all that happens there.
When the Dems were talking of packing the Supreme Court during the summer and fall, the Dem’s had visions of a Blue Wave to power big majorities in Congress too for this past election. The voters told them otherwise.

Even if Dems take the Senate, with such slim majorities in both chambers, the politics of packing the Supreme Court will prevent them from doing it. At least until such time that they have substantial majorities.

John Endicott
Reply to  commieBob
December 16, 2020 1:33 pm

The Supreme Court should make quick work of any show trials.

That’s not how it works, CB. The Supreme Court won’t have a role. Any show trial will be in the halls of congress. Think along the lines of McCarthy’s hearings (with the only difference being that McCarthy wasn’t actually wrong, there really were communists) crossed with the house impeachment nonsense. That should give you an idea of what’s in store.

Actual prosecutions, on the other hand, would go through the courts. But I won’t hold out any hope there, either, as you can see how long it’s taken in the Mann/Steyn suit. Remember, the process is the punishment.

Reply to  John Endicott
December 16, 2020 4:29 pm

Considering where we’re at now, McCarthy’s problem was a lack of imagination. The Long March Through the Institutions

Reply to  John Endicott
December 17, 2020 3:55 am

Pompeo is doing a McCarthy cameo today, farcical, with his “I have a list”.
It did not begin then with McCarthy, but with Truman and Churchill.
Today, Pompeo takes his strutting orders from London’s Henry Jackson Society.
Old wine in new leaking casks, I’ll say!

Reply to  commieBob
December 17, 2020 10:10 pm

Look back. Think of the things that “should be the epitome of unconstitutionality” you see as milestones. Then look forward again.

The non-rhetoric questions are:

  1. Will the Supreme Court stop the buck?
  2. If yes, what will the Cathedral do? Have the ongoing color revolution overthrow the Kritarchy as well? Wait out until the SCotUS can be brought back into fold? Itself splinter into factions (which may reduce ability to pull the leashes of their dogs, who want blood)?
December 16, 2020 12:53 pm

Great news Anthony.
One day, there will come an “enlightenment” point about human influences on planetary systems.
That is, a point where teachers, students, journalists, ordinary folk will not be set upon for pursuing open curiosity and enquiry about climate functions.
Hopefully, a comprehensive reference resource such as WUWT will become a go-to “body of knowledge”.
Many of us here already consider that WUWT already fulfils such a role.

December 16, 2020 12:56 pm

For some reason I’m reminded of the arguments provided by Eric Worrall about how we should continue to play nice with the Democrats.

December 16, 2020 1:00 pm

To arms! To arms! the liberals are coming.

December 16, 2020 4:47 pm

Coming? They are already storming the ramparts.

December 16, 2020 1:27 pm

Is there any milage in a `red team / blue team` format?

The UK`s `Cochrane` database is a well respected system, set up by an individual but now headed up by a solid board and obviously now with international reach and `clout`

George Daddis
Reply to  jono1066
December 16, 2020 3:19 pm

IMO, no.
The problem is you have two teams with different methods of keeping score and declaring a winner based on the same actual outcomes (data).

Like a Worlds Series where one team says “We won because we scored the most total runs over seven games” (or “We got the most popular votes”.)

In this instance, the “Alarmists” would judge the outcome by a “Consensus of Experts” or some “democratic” poll of citizens, or by what the MSM opines; while “Realists” would be standing there yelling “But the data and observational evidence clearly shows….”

If you doubt that, just look at how even allegations of irregularities are summarily dismissed by government agencies and supposedly unbiased courts in the recent election.

December 16, 2020 1:28 pm

We all need to bombard Congress critters with emails and whatever else we can do. We don’t have to limit ourselves to our own. If there are particularly obnoxious ones, they can have our special attention.

December 16, 2020 1:28 pm

“Divide and rule (or Divide and conquer, from Latin Dīvide et īmpera) in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy.”
Is not WUWT being divided ??
Seems like it.
Just a question from a concerned commenter.

Reply to  u.k.(us)
December 17, 2020 12:11 am

Divided in what way?

On the outer Barcoo
December 16, 2020 1:30 pm

To paraphrase Galileo: and yet it still snows

December 16, 2020 1:32 pm

Anthony, one thing I haven’t contacted you about is that the “NEW! Improved search capability” WUWT search function at the top of the page has been broken for some time. If I enter something and hit return, nothing happens, not even the cursor changes.

If I click on one of the five categories, then I get a search overlay that does work, I assume in that category. Is all that going to change?

Second, I did get my “Guide to WUWT” collection of oneline entries for WUWT posts by date and by category running again, you never replied to Emails about restoring that. Something isn’t updating at the moment, I haven’t looked into it, but we should talk about getting it going again on the new host.

The ENSO meter will live on….

Did you hear I’m now retired? If I spend less time on FaceBook (and Medicare, and SARS-CoV-2), I’ll have more time to help out.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 16, 2020 3:22 pm

Hey, Ric,

Just a shout-out (nearly 2 hours after you posted above) to say that I recall your attempting to continue your many years of first class technical support months ago.

So, you never did hear back…..

Perhaps, you are not lukewarm enough…..

You deserve better. And I wanted you to know that someone here realizes that.

Your ally for data-driven science,


P.S. Congratulations on your retirement!

P.P.S. You are not alone in being dissed. My 10th Anniversary 10-year “condensed version” of WUWT is referred to and linked to nowhere. Too many non-lukewarm articles and comments cited probably.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2020 4:59 pm

What makes you think you have a right to be so obnoxious and speak so disrespectfully to our host?

Anthony Watts is WUWT, not you or any other irrelevant commenter or contributor. Participation here is a privilege generously granted by him. You’re entitled to exactly nothing.

You’re like a drunken bum crashing a fancy party and complaining indignantly that the host ran out of your favorite hors d’oeuvres and exhorting the invited guests to trash the place as a result.

Outrageous! And also so foolish to incite disputes with those who are natural allies if not ideologically pure in your blinkered opinion.

Reply to  Rich Davis
December 16, 2020 5:34 pm

In defense of drunken bums everywhere, your word salad of a comment did nothing for me.
@(Rich Davis).

Janice Moore
Reply to  u.k.(us)
December 16, 2020 7:13 pm

Aw, James. Thank you 😊

Janice Moore
Reply to  Rich Davis
December 16, 2020 5:56 pm

I simply told the truth.

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 17, 2020 10:05 am

As you see it.

Reply to  MarkW
December 17, 2020 7:14 pm

And as I see it.

Reply to  Rich Davis
December 17, 2020 7:13 pm

Rich, the 10th anniversary post Janice refers to was an amazing effort by Janice to pull together many of the most meaningful posts on WUWT at the time. I don’t know how much time she spent on it, I’d guess 100 hours or so. IIRC, I said I’d include it in my (sadly neglected) Guide to WUWT, but haven’t yet gotten to it yet. Obviously I have not forgotten it yet.

WUWT is not Anthony. It was, but success comes with demands for moderation, assistance in writing posts, and keeping little things working that most people don’t give a second thought.

WUWT is a public forum – anyone can join in. Only when someone has proven they are a disruptive and damaging influence is action taken against them. The list of people kicked out of WUWT is short, and some of them require more time to keep from joining under a new alias.

My guide had to be taken off the right-side nav bar because it linked to an http address. I spent a lot of time updating the scraping code and getting things on a https site Anthony set up. I should have pestered him more, but I got busy with stuff at work, and my divorce may have in that time frame too. At least my work to get some of the images only available on other http sites and with variable URLs (e.g. a date stamp) is in place, though I have access to update the reference pages and it didn’t require follow-up action by Anthony.

At any rate, give Janice a break, her presence here is welcome and useful per many people. Please don’t be so quick to leap to conclusions.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 18, 2020 11:11 am

Dear Ric,

Thank you.



Rud Istvan
December 16, 2020 1:34 pm

Anthony, as you and Charles pull together the new related site ‘Climate Wiki’, if you spot any information gaps or holes I volunteer to research and write the needed plug articles. Have done so recently at Charles request for ARGO, Jason3, Sentinel6, and grid stability. For example, could redo the older True Cost of Wind over at Judiths. Could contribute from ebook Blowing Smoke a refreshed grid battery analysis. Whatever you need, have Charles just ask.

December 16, 2020 1:50 pm

Maybe it is time to start publishing those many, many temperature charts from many parts of the world that show that there are no warming trends. And find ways to get the basic charts into the “media” – difficult of course , but there must be people who know how to make this happen.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  E. Martin
December 16, 2020 9:34 pm

“Maybe it is time to start publishing those many, many temperature charts from many parts of the world that show that there are no warming trends.”

Excellent idea. The more, the better.

WUWT ought to keep a page dedicated to unmodified, regional surface temperature charts from around the globe, to show everyone that it was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century as it is today, which means CO2 is not the control knob of the Earth’s atmosphere.

Whenever some alarmists refers to “unprecedented warming” we can just refer them to the regional surface temperature chart page to set them straight about the real, benign temperaure profile of the Earth.

Reply to  E. Martin
December 17, 2020 7:16 pm

I agree. I don’t have time now. Do you?

Jeff Meyer
December 16, 2020 1:52 pm

Thank you for all your hard work on this website!! It is one of the few places I can turn to for good information!

Brooks Hurd
December 16, 2020 2:14 pm

It is a travesty that all the people who want to silence disagreement in science are unaware that dialog (rather than the lack of it) is what moves science forward.

December 16, 2020 2:32 pm

‘I’m Spartacus!’

We’re behind you all the way Anthony. What happens in the USA inevitably has impacts worldwide. On my own turf, the likes of the GWPF, Paul Homewood, Tallboy’s Talkshop, Ben Pile, Guido Fawkes etc etc, who speak sense (and publish real data not just feelings) n the climate debate, will be more vulnerable to political/legal attacks that may lead to the squashing of free speech and critical thinking should the Goresque narrative assume prominence across the pond. The Age of Enlightenment seems to be dying and we appear to be entering a new Dark Age. It’s time to make a stand.

Ian Magness
December 16, 2020 2:36 pm

Stay strong Anthony and good luck. As we say in Britain: don’t let the bastards grind you down.
On related matters, some of your readers will be aware that tonight’s lecture at the GWPF in London was by the academic sociologist (and sceptic) Prof Frank Furedi. It was titled “Narratives of Existential Threats in the Climate and Covid Era”. I would expect the GWPF to put the film out soon.
A lot of topics were covered but a recurring theme was along the lines of “how do we fight this?”. Furedi’s view is that it all ultimately comes down to freedom. Freedom to think and challenge. Freedom to buy what cars and energy sources that we want and so on. He likes to frame the subject in that way when confronted with precisely the sort of issues you raised above, especially with regard to shutting down public debate and even persecuting heretics as was done with supposed witches back in history. It was an interesting speech putting a different perspective on subjects close to our hearts.

Reply to  Ian Magness
December 16, 2020 4:03 pm

Ian, a phrase I have not heard in decades. At Harvard grad School , the ‘sophisicated’ pseudoLatin version of same was: ‘Illegitimi non carborundum’. Silly, but kept us going.

December 16, 2020 2:43 pm

I am ready for the “fight”
I am using Vaclav Havels “ The Power of the Powerless” as a model for the non-violent “fight”
Remember, we are now the radicals/rebels/criminals.
The key concept is to live the truth.
Other concepts include
-Make leaders live up to their own rules.
-Have general awareness of all the issues but when on the “attack”, Stick with what you know. ( example peter Ridd)

My personal situation.
I am an civil engineer based in Melbourne Australia.
I have a detailed knowledge of Melbourne hydrology and drainage systems.
Every time an alarmist states more floods and more droughts I go on the “attack”

This concept or strategy is also highlighted in Saul Alinskys “ rules for radicals”

George Daddis
Reply to  Waza
December 16, 2020 3:33 pm

Saul was Evil, yet very wise.
I like Rule 5:

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

Maybe there is room in the next WUWT for a humor section to poke at the opposition; Josh could illustrate! Any promising Jonathan Swifts out there?
(There is a lot to ridicule among Greta, Whitehouse, Markey, AOC and of course Ol’ Joe himself that would tickle the public’s funnybone and thus get their attention.)

Reply to  George Daddis
December 16, 2020 4:27 pm

You’re right about ridicule.
But to be most effective, it has to be kinda subtle, not the types of remarks that ‘woke’ stand-up comedians deliver these days.

I’m thinking along the lines of Ricky Gervais’ tweet about that Vancouver transgender who took some Muslim beauty salon operators to the Human Rights Commission because they refused to perform “down there” waxing on ‘her’. Ricky tweeted how he was mortified about this case because “every woman is entitled to get their big hairy balls waxed”.

Reply to  George Daddis
December 16, 2020 5:34 pm
Tom Abbott
Reply to  Waza
December 16, 2020 9:42 pm

“Remember, we are now the radicals/rebels/criminals.”

Obama says we are also the minority. I don’t know about that, since we can’t depend on the vote count for the last election to be accurate. Conservatives may or may not be the minority. But even if we are the miniority, it’s not by much, going by the vote count, so Obama shouldn’t gloat too much. That “minority” sure did manage to stifle Obama’s plans when *he* was in Office.

Reply to  Waza
December 17, 2020 8:30 pm

The trouble is, the history of the Kulaks.


Is the link what put this comment into moderation?

Last edited 1 year ago by OK S.
December 16, 2020 2:43 pm

The war strategy of the Khmer Vert will include an attempt to cover up and destroy historical and palaeo climate evidence that unanimously refutes the CO2 alarmist pseudo-science. As Steve MacIntyre has reported, already the custodians of Antarctica’s Law Dome C data – which most sharply contradicts the fiction of CO2 leading temperature – are choking off access to the data and will likely try to degrade it behind closed doors.

Scientific papers still available in the open literature and starting with those not paywalled, should be downloaded as widely as possible in advance of their being taken offline. Those with skills of accessing and downloading the raw data from palaeo climate repositories should do so as much as possible. We must become the distributed memory of climate truth, keeping genuine climate science out of reach of the perpetrators of the coming climate data and literature purge. It should also be backed up and stored in offline locations.

Rod Evans
December 16, 2020 2:59 pm

Do not go gentle into that good night
Dylan Thomas – 1914-1953

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

A poem that could have been written with twenty first totalitarianism in mind.
Rage, rage against the dying of….the enlightenment

December 16, 2020 3:01 pm

Dark days ahead, I’m afraid.

Anthony, you are performing an invaluable service that is desperately needed here in Ontari-owe as much as the US of A and the rest of the world.

I admit to being quite pessimistic that the situation will turn around anytime soon. I’m glad that I’m as old as I am and won’t be around to see or experience the full consequences of all of the ignorance and wilful blindness of our so-called leaders.

I’ve contributed $250 USD to the cause – hope it helps.

Dodgy Geezer
December 16, 2020 3:06 pm

You will need good backups, held off-site and probably out of the country.

And a couple of independent ’emergency’ web hosting agreements in places where US law or influence will have problems reaching. So not the UK….

December 16, 2020 3:12 pm

I vote for pitchforks, torches and pew pews (which supposedly have been surrendered by many of certain side) instead of words trying to win over tyranny. With 95% (I’m guessing) of MSM on the side of socialism, it’s time to enforce thy will, not discuss politely.

Richard Ilfeld
December 16, 2020 3:26 pm

If China and India aren’t on board, then we are being taken on a suicide mission; the green new deal is selling out America, the only country actually meeting (unecessary) carbon dioxide reduction goals.
If this were REALLY an existential threat, the elites would be pressing on the rest of the world, and INVESTING
in GREEN POWER for them, they are not because they are as fraudulant as the pseudo-science “CLimate Change: is based on. Forcing change on America first is treason, and, but the way, minorities lose their jobs first.

Look, if they can call me a criminal, I can call them a traitor. And should. Power bills will go up, jobs will be lost, and the victims will listen. There aren’t any scientific arguments needed because there is no science to their politics.

Have a nice day.

Harry Davidson
December 16, 2020 3:39 pm

Which ever ‘site’ you use, you are vulnerable. I suggest building up your own stuff on a Linux system which you can then run on a rented server farm machine(s). Any pressure, you just move the whole thing to a new farm, there are hundreds of them all over world. It would take an hour. You keep an up to date local backup so even if they cut you off without warning, you have everything ready to go somewhere else, tomorrow.

The main thing will be BTL management tools, but there are open source tools for that. Pick a decent server farm and they will deal with any DOS attacks and the like.

You can get a whole lot of machine, and bandwidth, for very modest costs.

December 16, 2020 3:46 pm

In the past, the only countries to hold show trials were Stalinist and Fascist. (There is a difference.) The 1930’s show trials in the Soviet Union laid the pattern for Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and Musso. Great company for Democrats. But they won’t see the irony. Too dam thick. Also noted on this side of the pond is that gun shops are running out of ammunition. So if the Biden government has to resort to Agenda 21 and put UN soldiers on US streets to confiscate weapons and ammunition then the Democratic party will be finished forever.

December 16, 2020 3:47 pm

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.

The concept that science will prevail in the climate debate is just downright barmy.

The alarmists long ago abandoned any pretence at scientific excellence and embarked on social and political means to transmit their ‘fears’.

Wake up folks – 90% of the world doesn’t have a science degree, if any degree at all. Convincing 10% of scientists that the climate change movement is a scam is futile, they only have 10% of the votes.

This is basic common sense, fundamental politics, and conditional business philosophy. If your biggest audience has 90% of the votes, and doesn’t understand science, what sense does it make to beat them over the head with science?

As a businessman, you don’t go into the scientific minutia of how a carpet is made, you explain to folks how it will enhance their lives. So how will climate change enhance humanities life? I’m a layman and can name half a dozen ways right off the bat.

Everyone in the civilised world has a political opinion, no matter how mundane. Nor is an education of any description required to be a politician, so why exclude these people from the sceptical debate just because they don’t understand science.

There is no need and it is counterproductive.

Start talking to the 90% laymen in a language they understand and the whole climate movement will be stopped in it’s tracks very quickly.

Reply to  Hotscot
December 17, 2020 1:57 am

The “layman” understands only one thing – his wallet. Especially in the US – ma money!

The supreme irony of all this is the climate junta was and is all about “high finance”, with terms laymen do not notice – like digital cash. The simply do not notice the invisible hand stripping their precious wallet.

That is why it is urgent to clearly show what Mark Carney, BlackRock, Lagarde, Leyen are openly stating, in layman terms.
The Great Reset is much easier with digital cash and credit.

Finance calls the Great Reset “Regime Change”.
Just observe what that means – they have succeeded, they imagine, in Regime Change in the US. The EU is already a done deal.

Brexit is obviously Regime Change – BoJo’s green pronouncements make even his fiancee blush!

I think the layman will then catch on.

Keith Peregrine
December 16, 2020 4:06 pm

This comes as no surprise as Democrats and leftists (please excuse me, as I repeat myself) have show trials on their minds. If you do not think as they do, you are an enemy. Study any communist take over, you will find show trials as their method of beating down dissent. Hunker down, fight back.

Mad Mac