Facebook and Twitter stocks tank as users and advertisers abandon the platforms.

Some similar and inconvenient stock numbers to report.

FYI I recently moved to Parler given how I’ve apparently been “shadowbanned” by Twitter, and you can find me there @wattsupwiththat

Facebook and Twitter stocks dive as Unilever halts advertising (CNN)

The backlash?
Facebook Tightens Controls on Speech as Ad Boycott Grows (WSJ)

Translation: Conservatives will be targeted. Don’t be surprised if Twitter suspends Trump’s account just before the election.

162 thoughts on “Facebook and Twitter stocks tank as users and advertisers abandon the platforms.

  1. The only way to fight news and social media bias is to not use and ignore the offending platforms.

    • I did that from the start – it seemed obvious to me that things would end up this way.

      This is also why I never put my real name on web services, even for purchasing…

    • There’s at least one more thing we can do. Adopt the same approach as the leftists and complain to the advertisers on Facebook and Twitter about the censorship, threatening to boycott if they keep supporting them by placing their ads with them.

      The average CEO just wants no threats of boycotts. They aren’t all dropping their ads because they, too, are leftist. They just don’t want to deal with a product boycott.

      So if those disgusted with the liberal mobs also complain to advertisers about treatment by a tech giant, that will give many CEOs just an added reason to decide not to put up with the headaches caused by advertising on platforms that have now become too controversial.

      Look, what the left is doing in this case is working. It could work equally well for others too. And with no advertising, the censorship problem resolves itself. And don’t forget Google’s role in all this.

      • Another thing that can be done, if Trump’s campaign is removed from Twitter, is they can file a complaint with the FEC, claiming election tampering.

    • Chances are that Zuckerberg will not miss any mortgage payments. On the other hand, if scaredy cat big corporation can hurt him, they can wipe out most people.

      Karl Marx said that they would hang the last capitalist with the rope he sold them. Looks like Zuckerberg, et al are now in the rope business. All the new federal Anti-Lynching legislation won’t save them.

          • A visionary, yes, but not a man of vision. He dealt in fantasies and visions, not reality.

            Caused a lot of blood, death and agony though. Fantasies have their price, after all.

    • the share price will bounce back up once the advertisers have made their point and Sugerburger has been coersed into overt censorship.

      The only reason he is resisting is the pretense that FarceBook is a “platform” and he is not a publisher. They do not want to lose the magic status where they the freedom of the press but none of the liability.

      They have not forgotten that it was social media which got Trump elected. They have been plotting for 4 years to prevent it happening again.

      Trump should have taken care of this long before the election cycle started. I hope he has his game plan well worked out.

      • The problem they have is the group they are pandering for is only 10-15%. If they go to far with censorship the 85% walk.

    • Greg
      They have not forgotten that it was social media which got Trump elected. They have been plotting for 4 years to prevent it happening again.

      Their putch against free speech, concocted by toes in deep fur rugs in front of an open fire in a grand house of the super-elite, will back-fire.

      This champagne-socialist elite have declared war in freedom of speech, on the first amendment, on the foundation of America itself; in the pitiful belief that the rightness of their woke cause of social “justice” makes it all OK. It doesn’t.

      These poor fools have handed the next election to Donald Trump. They have given to the American people a simple choice – woke ideals or the United States of America. And they have guessed poorly at which one the American people will choose. And they’ll end up behind bars. (Not ones serving pink champagne.)

  2. Keep in mind that this is dump is caused by the SJWs leaving the platforms, not because of backlash from the general population or a large conservative base.

    The exodus of users and cash is triggered by SJWs declaring these platforms not far enough to the left.

    • Not just SJWs leaving. It’s mostly conservatives. After the last few major right wing players have been banned, parley’s membership jumped by 500,000.

      • Those who are the most vocal about the sins of the social media, are presently all from the left. Many the far left.

    • “dump is caused by the SJWs leaving the platforms”

      Not sure that Unilever is a SJW. But yes, what Unilever said was

      “”Based on the current polarization and the election that we are having in the US, there needs to be much more enforcement in the area of hate speech,” Luis Di Como, Unilever’s executive vice president of global media, told the Journal in an interview.”

      • Corporations need to focus on product manufacture, quality and distribution, not political narrative. They can target any crowd they like with their marketing, but when they promote a political agenda, that’s fascism.

        • I suppose one solution would be to ban all commercial advertising which means that users pay for the media they use. If they don’t value any one ‘format’ sufficiently to pay for it then it stops operating.

          I appreciate that might not be as easy to do as it sounds but haven’t we gone a bit far down the road of expecting to get access to cyberspace completely free of charge?

          • I suppose one solution would be to ban all commercial advertising which means that users pay for the media they use

            That would also work towards stopping the arbitrary banning of people based on their political views. If the users are the one paying, companies are less likely to ban them/treat them poorly. ban or treat poorly too many of your customers and you’ll soon find yourself out of business. As the social media companies are set up, the users aren’t the customers – they are (or rather their data is) the product.

          • What makes you believe that Big Executives won’t ban very few vocal paying users to make an example?

            What makes you believe that these Big Corps even understand what their long term interest is? There is overwhelming evidence they basically follow trends. They are MORONS.

          • What makes you believe that Big Executives won’t ban very few vocal paying users to make an example?

            Under a user pays the bill scenario, they well could still do so, however, ultimately they’d be shooting themselves in the foot. It’s called killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Drive away your revenue source and you’ll go out of business.

            What makes you believe that these Big Corps even understand what their long term interest is?

            whether they understand it or not is irrelevant. When they drive away the people that pay the bills, they’ll go out of business whether they understand why or not. Either they’ll learn and change course or they won’t and end up in bankruptcy. The choice is theirs.

            There is overwhelming evidence they basically follow trends. They are MORONS.

            And if they choose to be MORONS to the people paying the bills, they’ll soon enough find themselves to be MORONS with a bankrupt business. Under the current business model, they can be MORONS to their users and it won’t hurt the bottom line. when the users are the ones paying their bills, however, being MORONS to the users will have the consequence of hurting their business prospects. drive away your revenue source and your business goes kaput.

          • Newminster says:
            but haven’t we gone a bit far down the road of expecting to get access to cyberspace completely free of charge?

            Misconception — it isn’t free, the additional costs are in the advertisers’ products.

          • indeed beng135. The old adage “there’s no such thing as a free lunch” applies. The cost is always borne, even if it’s not borne directly. In this case it’s borne via the cost of advertising (which is ultimately borne by the consumers in the price they pay for products) and via the value of your personal data that you give up to those companies (which then monetize that data).

      • Translation: We have to crack down harder on anyone who doesn’t believe that socialism and attacking whites is the solution to every problem on the planet.

        • Remember Tom Lehrer said it well on his album “1965 – that was the year that was”:

          “There are some people in this world who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that!”

          • Over the last 18 months or so I have lost faith in humanity, especially since the outbreak of COVID-19. But more recently I have lost trust and faith in the people, friends, family etc, close to me. I don’t hate them, just don’t trust them any more.

          • Time for a different tactic on the BLM protests…
            Have the Minority Policemen man the front lines protecting the infrastructure and turning back the protesters.
            If they truly believe that BLM then confronted by a line of Black and Latino Riot Police, and not the “white” force they seem to despise, should stop them in their tracks

          • indeed it wouldn’t make a difference, there’s plenty of videos out there where you can see the leftist (including but not limited to blm) “protesters” harassing, berating, belittling, calling them racial slurs, shouting at, spitting on, etc black cops. All they see, as you say, is the uniform.

      • “there needs to be much more enforcement in the area of hate speech,”

        Who gets to define what hate speech is?

        The real cure for hate speech is more speech countering the hate speech. That way everyone gets to have their say and then the haters can go away with their tails between their legs.

        • Of course the leftists get to define what is hate speech. They view themselves as morally superior beings who are incapable of being wrong.
          If you disagree that just proves that you are a hater.

          • The solution to bad ideas, is good ideas.
            The solution to bad speech, is good speech.
            The solution to bad science, is good science.

            Silencing those you disagree with is the tactic of those who know they can’t win an honest debate.

      • Not sure that Unilever is a SJW.

        You’re not sure?

        But you quoted Di Como quoting the typical virtue signaling text from the standard SJW manual:

        “‘Based on the current polarization and the election that we are having in the US, there needs to be much more enforcement in the area of hate speech,’ Luis Di Como, Unilever’s executive vice president of global media, told the Journal in an interview.”

        What am I missing here?

      • “Not sure that Unilever is a SJW. But yes, what Unilever said was…”

        Unilever is whatever it needs to be to keep a good image.

      • Even hate speech is free speech. That’s the way it works. You have to use the reflexive reasoning test.

        Example: President Obama should appoint a commission of 15 people to determine what hate speech is. President Trump should appoint a commission of 15 people to determine what hate speech is. If you agree with one or both of these, you don’t understand liberty.

        • if they agree with both, they don’t understand liberty, if they agree with one but not the other liberty isn’t even in their consideration, just what’s good for their fellow political travelers is.

  3. Just a word of advice: You may want to go back and *carefully* read their terms of service. The deal-breakers for me were the bits where I was required to provide personally identifiable information (telephone number to register, and government-issued photo ID to access DMs) along with being required to compensate them for any legal expenses that may arise from what I post.

    • The photo ideas are only if you what to be verified as a real person, optional. The phone number, which can be cell or land line(voice or sms) is the standard two phase verification that everybody uses these days.

      They do need a real manual to explain all this.

      • the standard two phase verification that everybody uses these days.

        My bank need two phase auth. I really do not see the need for on line comments. But I guess if they want to sue you, they do need that.

        I had a look at Parler yesterday. The home page says “we will never share your information”. The terms of service then tells you all the ways they WILL share your information with their “partners”. Which of course could mean anything.

        The only restriction is they say they won’t sell it to third parties … unless they want to sell the business in the future ( in which case you are part of what they are selling ).

        While that is better than FarceBook, I don’t appreciate being flat out lied to on the home page.

        • “Greg June 29, 2020 at 11:25 pm

          I had a look at Parler yesterday. The home page says “we will never share your information”. The terms of service then tells you all the ways they WILL share your information with their “partners”. Which of course could mean anything…”

          Yahoo and Facebook made the same claims years ago. Google made similar noises including the “special” partners…

          Back in the 90s, WSJ reporters posing as businesses, bought personal information from a number of companies.
          They bought far more than they wanted, including SSN and IRS identification numbers. Which was illegal to collect and store, even then.

  4. I am an inactive facebook user, but my wife is an extensive user. Any alternatives out there? If so, possibly she and all her friends would switch.

    • I’ve tried out MeWe. I think it’s pretty good. It’s all about free speech, but I haven’t been able to get most of my facebook-addicted friends and family to use it. Good luck on getting your wife to move.

  5. Trump should take the initiative and move from Twitter to Parler, taking his millions of followers with him. That would provide the critical mass for conservatives to all make the move, leaving Twitter with just the left side of the political spectrum.

    • I can’t help but wonder if the whole “white power” issue is just Trump seeing if he can get the socialists to over react again. Openly banning the president of the United States would be a step too far for a lot of moderates.

    • Parler’s a right-wing echo chamber. He’ll be twattering to the converted there, so no point.

      • I have had already had either never Trumper or fifth column trolls comment and downvote my comments. So am not so sure this will be an echo chamber…

      • The Right don’t echo. That is the Conservative Advantage.

        A Left believes there is a correct answer… for everyone.

        A Conservative believes there is a correct answer… for themselves.

        Lefts want everyone to do the Correct Thing.

        A Conservative just wants to be left alone to do their own thing.

        A Conservative will share things that amuse them.

        A Left will share outrage.

        As for what Parker actually is or isn’t, if you have already been able to define it so early in its life, well, you are probably a Left simply echoing the talking points that are currently trending.

        • I’m willing to bet that Adam has never been to any site that wasn’t pre-approved by his handlers.

        • As for what Parker actually is or isn’t

          One thing it isn’t is Parker. Nor is it Parley. 😉

      • In the minds of the left, anything that isn’t solely communist, is a right wing echo chamber.

        Notice how the left refuses to enter any debate that they can’t control from the get go.

  6. I tried to register on Parler but I don’t have a cell phone, and that seems to be required to verify new accounts.

      • Landli e with voice message works, just put in landline. Looks like it picks that up automaticly

      • Check out textplus. $3 a year to get a real phone number and it works off wifi so no charges. You can use it for stuff like this and communicate via it or whatsapp etc. As long as you have wifi access you can text free and calls are 2 cents a minute.

    • It’s part of the new higher security password system.
      My office uses it for most of our higher security systems.
      Once you put in your password, the system sends a message to your phone. On some systems all you have to do is accept the message, on others you have to enter the code that is sent to your phone into the web site.
      This way, even if someone does manage to steal your password, unless they also have access to your phone, they can’t log in as you.

      • There always a bug as I see it. Currently I cannot log in to my HMRC. account as I had change my phone number; so the verification code gets sent to outer space.
        As I can’t log in I can’t update the phone number.🤯🤯🤯
        The HMRC WEBSITE is anything but helpful. I suppose there is some way out of this ; but it has beaten me so far.

  7. Parler doesn’t let non-members view members’ posts, like twitter does, so it’s useless to me, unfortunately.

    • You are correct, they have partners, public identified, and identified. I am not identified and staying anonymous. There are various combinations of the above.

      They need an anonymous login that lets non members see posts of the above types. It structured to try to keep things orderly

  8. Good riddance to all of those platforms I say, they are just the Thalidomide of free speech. If Trump’s ravings are the benchmark for free speech, best we all just shut the EFF up or get creative and write songs as the vehicle for the sort of brain dead, party line stupidity he, the KKK/NRA, The Sqawk Squad, Pelosi or most of the MSM vermin packs peddle, i.e. pitching not to logical, sensible argument but to mob chants and vilification. Both sides are equally to blame IMO.

    There is enough ideological bandwidth here and at most sijmilar sites posting comments to satisfy ‘free speech’ with effective ‘policing’ but tolerating contrarian voices. The world just does not need the excrement uber-factories that the megafauna of the internet have devolved into.

    In the case of Facebook, Zuckerberg’s starting point was a site where khi-kappa-alpha dribbledicks could post ‘f&$#ability’ ratings of females at university as they fantisised about ones who were too intelligent to even think about hanging out with them on a cold, wet, miserable night, the sort of so and sos that make said females becoming an amazon lesbian a sensible and quite reasonable alernative. Facebook has basically devolved from there, facilitating more and more vile, antisocial vitriol in its crevices as it sucks the life out of the real media and turns people from a path of civil rationality to ‘the way of the blowfly’.

    • “Both sides are equally to blame IMO.”

      Not even close.

      The Democrats are to blame for all our problems.

      Trump is our only hope of escaping Democrat Totalitarianism.

      We’ve seen all the evil things the Democrats are willing to do to try to gain political power over the last four years and they continue with the coup attempt even today. If they get the White House the People will never get it back. They almost stole the election in 2016, and they will correct their mistakes in the future if gvien a chance, which means we lose our freedoms like in China where there is an Elite who governs and benfits, and the rest of the population goes along in order to get along.

      To equate the Left with the Right in this situation is ridiculous and absurd. The Left are the evil doers here.

    • When it comes to being vile and full of hate, the right has never been able to (or even wanted to) hold a candle to the left.

      • True indeed. Only the left could call the most vile, violent fascist organization in the US Antifa.

        The right would call an equally “far” organization The New Christian Deer Hunting Club, or something like that, and meet at church on Sundays. Thankfully at least they have the most ammo.

  9. Yes!! good news.
    Trump just needs to make sure Parler could cope with the influx, then make the switch.

    ((((((BOOM))))))

    • There’s already an entity called “Team Trump” on Parler. Don’t know if it’s the actual Trump campaign.

  10. RE: Parler

    When I clicked on Anthony’s Parler link at the of this post it opened a “Log In or Join” page, not to WUWT page. Apparently one needs to be a registered member of Parler before being able to access anything posted on Parler. Not a good business plan. I can read Twitter & Facebook pages without joining either, but not Parler.

    I believe that there are more lurkers than members on Twitter & Facebook and if Parler doesn’t allow any lurkers it will significantly diminish it’s impact.

    Am I wrong?

    Jack

    • That does not work. Go sign up and get your account and search for him

      There are some things on parler that are odd

      They need a real manual

      • Mr Tower

        I want to read him anonymously, I don’t want to have to sign up. This requirement will discourage lots & lots of people.

        Here is the problem, lets say Trump does sign up & CNN/FOX remark on Trump’s post & link to it. I won’t be able to read what they are talking about.

        Bad business model.

        JACK

        • well yes and no. I agree it’s not the greatest model, however, when CNN/FOX remark on tweets they general quote the tweet as well as have an embedded link to it (which results in the online article showing the words of the tweet twice – once as quoted by the article and again via the embedded tweet link itself). So you’d still be able to read the quoted text, you just wouldn’t be able to see the embedded links text/follow the link to verify the quote is accurate. In short you’d have to trust that the fake news media is accurately quoting the words in question, which isn’t the best idea given their track record of misrepresentation.

    • No, it’s not a good business plan. It’s practically incalculable how much exposure twitter has gotten by allowing journalists to embed their posts in articles. Unless parler changes, they will have none of that.

  11. These tech Billionaires are playing with fire by coddling the Left and their militant Bolshevik elements.

    Protesters set up guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos’ DC home: reports
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/amazon-jeff-bezos-guillotine-dc-protests

    While these tech billionaires may have tons of armed private security for their own personal protection, protection that the Louis XVI and Marie and the Romanovs never had, that doesn’t mean the Bolsheviks won’t burn down their social media empires if given the opportunity.

        • Mark’s point, Joel, is that your comment that Bezos et al have ” tons of armed private security ” that amounted to “protection that the Louis XVI and Marie and the Romanovs never had” is flat out incorrect. They had way more protection (an entire army, beat that Bezos!), it didn’t save them in the end, but to claim they didn’t have it, as you did, is either a poorly thought out post on your part or flat out ignorance of history, I’ll be generous and assume the former.

  12. I moved to Parler as well. If you were on Twitter and feel you need to keep in touch – go to Twitchy.com. They cover anything interesting that’s happening on twitter and you don’t need to give Jack any clicks. (This is mostly US based but they do cover other countries as well)
    To date Parler has attracted many great people, I find going there to become engaged in current events great, and visiting Twitchy makes sure I’m not missing anything. I don’t visit any news sites, they’re garbage, national, local whatever, they’re garbage.

  13. The telephone company and the post office are not responsible for what I communicate using their services. If I break the law, it’s the legal system’s job to deal with me.

    Working hard to be anything other than a common carrier is going to backfire on the social media. Their best, most trouble free, strategy is to become a public utility. link

    Lots of people want the social media to censor content to an extent well beyond what the law does. It’s part of SJW cancel culture.

    Scott Adams was just talking about a well armed couple defending their suburban property against a bunch of rioters and looters. The rioters and looters wisely decided to go elsewhere. In that light, I suspect we’re going to see the culture wars notch up a bit. The SJWs will then be confronted by the fact that they aren’t actually supported by the majority of Americans.

    • Once they succeed in getting rid of the police, you can be sure that if such a situation were to happen again, the new social justice forces will arrive and punish the homeowners for daring to threaten the rioters.

      • Some members of my family were living in China during the time of the Red Guards. If that’s what’s in store, I’m retreating to the hinterland.

      • Police are less than 2 centuries old, what did they do before that? “Hue and Cry” ring any bells? Many a miscreant was thankful to finally see a bailiff.

      • The primary job of the police is to protect criminals from their victims.

        If the criminals get rid of the police, the victims will be able to immediately retaliate against the criminals without fear of being jailed for doing so. You’ll see a lot more Rooftop Koreans and a lot less rioters.

      • It’s a class D felony in their state.
        states rights and state law matters.
        Bad decision to point a gun at people in anger.
        as lawyers they should know that.

        • I’ll go with Rud’s opinion below.

          Where I live, if even one of the looters had anything even remotely resembling a weapon, that’s pretty much carte blanche for anyone who can claim self defense.

          Intent matters a lot. Retaliation, as opposed to self defense, can land you in jail.

        • Just give in to the watermelons? Is this your idea of a solution?

          Or are you trolling for reactions?

          • He’s one of the watermelons, of course he wants those who have the stuff he wants to just give in.

        • I suggest the drive-by king look up “castle laws/doctrine” particularly in regards to the state in question. or in the drive-by kings own parlance: WRONG.

        • It wasn’t anger, it was fear. You have a mob break down your wrought iron gate, trespass onto your property and threaten you, your wife, your home and even your pets and tell me you wouldn’t be in fear of your life as well. Only since you won’t “point a gun at people” I guess you’ll be on your knees praying for the National Guard.

    • Serious encounter in St. Louis. There is much more to the story. Missouri has a much stronger Castle law than Florida’s Stand Your Ground law (Martin shooting/Zimmerman acquittal). In Missouri you can shoot to kill to defend your property, period.

      That 1880’ home is historic (the entire PRIVATE street it is on is in the national historic register). Bought in 1988, the husband and wife (both lawyers) spent 30 years restoring it to its original glory and it has been featured both locally and nationally in architectural mags.

      The BLM protestors Broke down the clearly labeled as private historic wrought iron gate to the private street, and then from the curb were threatening the home and the couple defending It, he with an AR15 and she with a Sig Sauer238 Micro (probably 9mm). Fortunately, the protesters moved on, rather than an attack resulting in some Black lives that no longer matter.

      • A law professor agrees.

        “Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it’s “very dangerous” to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri’s Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.

        “At any point that you enter the property, they can then, in Missouri, use deadly force to get you off the lawn,” Walker said, calling the state’s Castle Doctrine a “force field” that “indemnifies you, and you can even pull the trigger in Missouri.””

      • “The BLM protestors Broke down the clearly labeled as private historic wrought iron gate to the private street, and then from the curb were threatening the home and the couple defending It, he with an AR15 and she with a Sig Sauer238 Micro (probably 9mm).”

        She needs a bigger, more accurate gun for crowd control. They need to get themselves an additional M16.

        If Democrats manage to cripple the police then we can expect a lot more of this kind of activity. People are not going to sit by and allow The Mob to destroy their lives without putting up a fight.

        Protesters marching down a public street is one thing. Protesters trespassing on private property is another thing entirely.

      • The Martin-Zimmerman case had nothing to do with stand your ground. Martin had jumped Zimmerman. Knocked him down on his back, then straddled him and was assaulting him. At that point, the Hispanic kid defended himself.

        The NYT made up a new racial category: white hispanic. Yes, really!

    • Making social media a “public utility” does sound enticing.
      Does that not, however, allow congress to directly meddle and decide what would be censored?

      • congress wouldn’t directly meddle, that’s what they set up commissions and boards of deep stake bureaucrats to do.

    • Telephone and mail are not visible to anyone but the recipients (bulk junk mail even). Not even a comparison to social media.

      • Your logic would make the company that sold the newsprint responsible for what the newspapers printed on said newsprint.

        There is a line, leased from the telephone company, running between the radio station’s studio and the transmitter. Does that make the telephone company responsible for what goes out over the air?

        The question boils down to whether Facebook is a broadcaster or a common carrier. The content creator should be the one responsible for the content.

        Liberals like the idea of censorship without any recourse to due process.

        • Your logic would make the company that sold the newsprint responsible for what the newspapers printed on said newsprint.

          if the newsprinter was making the editorial decisions about what the newspaper published, it should be.

          There is a line, leased from the telephone company, running between the radio station’s studio and the transmitter. Does that make the telephone company responsible for what goes out over the air?

          If the telephone company was making the decisions about what could and could not be broadcast on the air, then yes, otherwise no.

  14. Remember to remove the “fbclid” tracking from outbound links from Face.

    Alternatives to Twitter?
    Gab.com is much better than Twitter.

    On Parler.com same opinion.

    Alternatives to Facebook?

    vk.com is excellent

    https://wego.social/ is even better.

  15. One mans hate speech is another mans free speech. Move over MySpace, here comes Twitter and Facebook. Funny thing is, they were already dying anyway…Kids see those platforms as only for old people.

    • Free speech is meaningless unless it’s the right to offend some people.

      The reason free speech is so important is that some folks can’t stand to hear the truth. The truth is important so society can correct its mistakes.

      Do away with free speech and you remove the main feedback loop that keeps society from doing stupid and self-defeating crazy things.

      • I was told that providing an alternative view, (based in facts that can be clearly shown and not based on citing opinion journals) was bullying. They literally went on an ad hominem rage, and concluded that my bullying does not intimidate them. As if, providing good information is designed to intimidate. Talk about projection… We are not dealing with a cogent enemy.

      • “Do away with free speech and you remove the main feedback loop that keeps society from doing stupid and self-defeating crazy things.”

        And yet… here we are.

        In reality, free speech is what brought us to the point where the entire social infrastructure is doing stupid and self-defeating crazy things.

        If the West was still a Christian culture with blasphemy laws, we wouldn’t be seeing this destruction and insanity around us.

        Our ancestors knew that heading down certain paths led to chaos and destruction. But the Boomers knew better, so here we are having to learn once more what previous generations already knew.

        • WTF, so public stoning and burning witches was the height of human law and order. Sharia law does all that so I can just see you racing to embrace that 🙂

          • Historical footnote: While burning witches tends to be associated with the religious witch hysteria in Salem, witches weren’t actually burned at Salem, they were hanged. Out of over 200 accusations and 20 executions for witchcraft in Salem at the time, not a single one of them were burned (19 were hanged, 1 died during interrogation). Over in Europe, however, burning witches was a common practice.

            Modern day “cancel culture” has a lot in common with the Salem witch hysteria. Just replace accusation of being a witch with accusations of being an *-ist or *-phobe of one kind or another or of being a shortened form of national socialist with a mob baying for your blood (figuratively at the moment, literally likely not too far off in the future).

        • “But the Boomers knew better”

          There are Boomers on all sides of the political spectrum, just as with any generation.

          What you are talking about are clueless, Leftist Boomers. There were Boomers who protested the Vietnam war and there were Boomers who volunteered to fight in the Vietnam war. Stereotyping “Boomers” distorts the truth. Please make a distinction in the future.

          • Great point Tom. Boomers get a bad rap for what a clueless minority of them did. I have boomer relatives that were active military volunteers during that era, and I thank them for their service. Not all boomers were grooving at Woodstock, smoking pot and burning flags.

        • “If the West was still a Christian culture with blasphemy laws, we wouldn’t be seeing this destruction and insanity around us.”

          Because being terrified of the Inquisition is a good thing? Let’s go back to stoning rape victims to death, why don’t we.

    • ‘Hate speech’ is an invention by those who wish to control thought by assigning concocted, distorted meaning to certain words or expressions spoken by anyone who does not concur with, who dissents or challenges their World view.

      Under common Law freedom of speech is limited only if it incites hatred and/or violence. To prove this it is required to prove the speaker intended it, there was a reasonable possibility their audience may be moved to hate and/or actual violence took place. Not so easy to prove.

      Far easier to designate certain words or sayings or opinions as ‘proof’ of incitement, irrespective of intent or effect.

  16. Twitter restricted Sidney Powell’s account this morning. She is LTG Flynn’s attorney who just won the writ of mandamus. She never posts anything remotely offensive.

    Not a good look for Twitter, with AG Barr explicitly looking into the matter.

    • Wouldn’t surprise me if they went after Thomas Sowell – The sanest african american alive

    • “Twitter restricted Sidney Powell’s account this morning.”

      Twitter’s leadership demonstrates its arrogance. Let’s hope it costs them their business.

  17. I am not quite sure why Basefook is so worried about what they call ‘hate speech’. It is simply not a platform that Millenials use (except for clubs), they regard it as a platform for the un-cool.

    What he is doing, excluding conservative content, will annoy the older people who are his subscribers and are far more right wing. It seems to me he is getting carried away with the woke sentiment in his offices, without thinking about his customer base. OK, his big advertisers are making a fuss, but they will leave anyway if he loses his middle aged and elderly base.

    Parler will not replace Basefook or Twatter, you have to sign up to view content, be logged in to view content, so they can track what you are looking at. That won’t fly.

  18. I would love to see Trump tweet that he is moving over to Parler. It’s no good just disappearing off Twitter and then reappearing on Parler because millions of his supporters probably don’t know that Parler exists. So he needs to advertise Parler specifically in an actual tweet. That will send a global message that a growing alternative to Twitter exists.

    Then the fakestream media will start monitoring his Parler messages (“Parlays”) and the platform will grown from there.

  19. Most social media is a scourge, and that connected to old school media is especially bad. Last evening I decided to follow someone’s link to the Atlantic at which I read an article about their worries over Constitutional rights in the COVID panic. They are blissfully unaware in their role in promoting panic, and in the erosion of civil liberties.

    Anyway, this article had at its footer, another about how the filibuster is a remnant of segregation and must go. Golly what a tendentious essay. It was wrong on the history of the filibuster. It overlooked its importance and the good it manages to accomplish. It was written so carefully to avoid mentioning that those “southern politicians” who used the filibuster to thwart civil rights legislation were Democrats. The one politician who was shamed in the article was Rand Paul, who used procedure to kill an “anti-lynching” bill because he is concerned the bill is written far too broadly and could define a “lynching” as practically anything. It was journalistic malfeasance by omission and tried to paint Paul as a segregationist. Of course it was written by a former Obama speech writer.

    I was pretty disgusted and was invited to give the Atlantic some feedback by way of a letter to the editor. But the fine print showed that they reserved the right to “edit” my letter, and provide my city of residence. I had a bad experience with Science magazine editing a letter of mine three decades ago. The need to edit is born of the need to discredit. The old fashioned way to censor. Liberal media and now social media — villains all.

  20. Parler is so new that its servers probably couldn’t handle millions of lurkers at this point. It may allow lurking later, if it gets funding to expand.

  21. I heard about Parler three days ago, spent a few minutes setting up an account (with the information provided they can eliminate a lot of trolls) and I’ll spend more time getting things to work: https://parler.com/profile/AirheadBit/posts – Not a fan of spending time tweeting or Parler – keyboard time is limited.

  22. I was a leader of the Gamergate movement and was quickly banned by Twitter for Wrongthink

  23. I signed up on parler a couple days ago. I did so I believe anonymously.

    There are a few from this site that already have a number of followers. I have not yet.

    I started an important story thread on the EVMS protocol.

    Any one who reads this and is on parler, please search on hashtag #covidcare and echo.

    Would apprieiate

  24. “FYI I recently moved to Parler ”

    Awesome news Mr Watts. Here is hoping more do likewise. I’ve subscribed to your channel there.

  25. Everyone is welcome to sign on to my new social media site, PL8. There you can say anything you want in 7 alphanumeric characters (including blank, and, reluctantly, a heart shape), the same as you can with an automobile license plate. Without, I hasten to add, the censorship one faces from the departments of motor vehicles of the several states!

    At PL8, we have a strong code of ethics, ensuring that the people will have their voices mostly heard. Our number one ethical tenet is: “Don’t be overly, highly, obviously, like hide-the-remote evil.” A plurality of our 48,532 staff has signed on to our code…tentatively. But, hey, it’s better than nothing, right?

  26. It may well be worth reminding the high value individuals that are promoting left wing anarchy of a historic fact.
    They never survive the revolution.
    Social media which via its coordination of herd instinct, is developing/promoting the madness of crowds phenomenon. It is in danger of pushing the mundane issues of life, into “cause celebres” with the masses involved on a hair trigger setting, just waiting for the touch.
    In every revolution, which by definition, is the majority of the population overturning the authority of the established minority, through the efforts of a new minority of activists. In such circumstances, the high value individuals and wealth creators generally are always eliminated. This is typically achieved by mob justice initially, followed by totalitarian controls needed by the new “leaders” to restore order in the new society. The prospects are bad, for the current high profile well known individuals, i.e. those promoting the Antifa, XR and other agitation groups. In this latest left wing push for anarchy, whipped up by the left via social media, the “leaders” of the movement will rue the day they advocated disbanding the police.
    Hey ho, we tried to tell them.

  27. Given that almost all the hate speech on Twitter and Facebook is from the identitarian “left” perhaps that is what Unilever does not want to be associated with.

  28. Users leave because sensorship, advertising money leaves because companies predicting economically difficult times. At the same time theyll try make it noble move.

  29. Anthony, You undoubtedly will have more influence than me. I would love to read Parler and for it to succeed. However, it has to change its policy that to read it you have to sign up. I have legitimate reasons not to give them my phone number. I hope they don’t blow this wonderful opportunity to spear Twitter by grossly limiting their audience. From where I sit (and maybe there is some justification for this policy), I can’t believe how stupid they are with this policy. It would explode if they would just allow people to read it. There are ZERO reasons for any conservative to read or use Twitter since it is such an authoritarian, biased and malevolent company.

  30. The Martin-Zimmerman case had nothing to do with stand your ground. Martin had jumped Zimmerman. Knocked him down on his back, then straddled him and was assaulting him. At that point, the Hispanic kid defended himself.

    The NYT made up a new racial category: white hispanic. Yes, really!

  31. I suppose I will have to dirty up my browser by looking up a list of these boycotting companies.

    I would note that Levis is not an employer, so I see no basis for their authority to make judgments on what Americans say on speech forums.

    “More than 99% of their jeans are made in countries like China, Japan, Italy, and others. Levi’s does have a single collection of “Made in the USA” 501 jeans, sourced from a small denim mill called White Oak in Greensboro, NC. If you want to get those Made in the USA Levi’s, it will definitely cost you. Nov 19, 2017”

    • It’s quite simple. There will be a new anti-slavery movement that refuses to buy from overseas manufacturing plants — especially those who were once great American companies.

      The new anti-slavery movement will also refuse to buy from companies over-using the many different work visas to engage in human traffick ing and population replacement policies.

      See the President’s visa sanctions.

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