Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Former Aussie PM and Goldman Sachs Partner Malcolm Turnbull thinks Chinese Coronavirus is a “high speed metaphor” for Climate Change. A few weeks ago Turnbull upset his own party so much there were calls for his expulsion.
Pandemic also a reckoning for climate change: Turnbull
By Latika Bourke
May 8, 2020 — 9.18amLondon: Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull says climate change is a greater existential threat than the coronavirus, which he says has provided governments with a unique opportunity to simultaneously boost clean energy and stimulate pandemic-battered economies.
Turnbull told a conservative think tank in London that the pandemic had been a reckoning of science and political complacency, which he said served as a “metaphor, at high-speed” of climate change politics.
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“The COVID virus has been a case of biology confronting and really shaking the complacency of day-to-day politics with a physical reality of sickness and death on a scale we haven’t seen for a very long time,” Turnbull told the Policy Exchange audience.
“And so the question really is: why do so many people in government and so many people in politics – particularly in the Anglo sphere – not take the scientific evidence on climate change just as seriously?
“When is physics going to mug political complacency and denialism? “
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Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/pandemic-also-a-reckoning-for-climate-change-turnbull-tells-british-audience-20200508-p54qza.html
Turnbull is not alone in wondering when the great climate catastrophe will strike, and vindicate all his dire warnings.
… We will be open to criticism though with what we do add in subsequent drafts. Someone is going to check the final version and the Aug 12 draft. This is partly why I’ve sent you the rest of this email. IPCC,me and whoever will get accused of being political, whatever we do. As youknow, I’m not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political, it is being selfish. …
Climategate Email 1120593115.txt, Professor Phil Jones of the CRU Speaking
Occasionally climate worriers figure out they were wrong all along and have the guts to admit it, like the inventor of Gaea Theory James Lovelock.
“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that.”
Turnbull: “Physics… physics… physics!
The rest of us: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I’m reasonably sure he would be stumped if asked what the molecular formula of CO2 is.
LOL!
+1 , Scissor.
Comment from circa 2012:
The global warming alarmists have a covert agenda and they KNOW they are lying to us.
No rational person could be this stupid for this long.
___________________
“Malcolm Turnbull = Turnbullsh!tter”
Allen, Maybe Malcrum Turnabout might be an applicable nickname too.
Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull says:
“DUH”, in the 1st paragraph above Malcolm T explicitly states …. “there is scientific evidence of climate change”.
And in his 2nd paragraph above Malcolm T explicitly states .…. “he would like to see evidence of climate change”.
Evidence of climate change is like evidence of flatulence, …. and Malcolm T can honestly claim he can hear and smell evidence of flatulence, ….. but he would really like to see the evidence also.
Good analogy.
It smells so someone in the elevator cut the cheese. Not sure how a second release proves who did it.
The second quote is an email from Phil Jones of CRU not Turnbull
OOPS, ……. my error.
But anyway, no problem, ……. those two are like …… “two peas in same pod”.
No worries, we all make mistakes.
Of course, some of us recognise our mistakes ans correct them whilst others have them glorified by the IPCC
Turnbull apparently hasn’t figured that he would be better off consulting a psychic than a physicist since the truth according to the laws of physics defies their narrative, while a psychic’s advice isn’t bound by those laws. It’s really no surprise since so much of what the left pontificates nowadays doesn’t match the ground truth, and it’s because political bias supersedes truth as the media reinforces the lies for the same reason.
He’s dyslexic then.
Here is what he is really saying:
“When is Physics going to declare that Red is Blue and allow us to lock down the world for our personal playground because Climate Change.
We have a growing public school educated population who believe it wouldn’t change if the global elite enjoyed totalitarian control of the worlds activities and restrict the great unwashed masses for the benefit of the Elite few.
Isn’t it hilarious that so many accept the implication that climate changes because man burns fossil fuel and that natural variability of the climate never existed. Why i have told that lie so many times I have begun to believe it myself.”
Ahhh Malcolm Turnbull, i always wanted to meet him so i could find where Goldman Sachs attaches the strings, they do pay large bonuses for their management employees who go into politics, (it makes it so much easier for them to have their policy,s made into law that way).
Americans should realize he is a Labour Party supporter (thats a Democrat in U.S terms) who wanted to be parachuted into a senior position in that party, but was told he would have to start at the bottom like anyone else, so he used some bankers influence to be parachuted into the liberal party (read Republican if you are American) and has been promoting Labour policy,s and white anting the conservatives from within ever since.
Interestingly both he and his deadly enemy within the Liberal party, Tony Abbot are Rhodes scholars, so they both had their Oxford University education paid for by Lord Rothschild as part of the Cecil Rhodes bequest.
The difference between them is stark, Abbot seemingly being far more trustworthy than Turnbull, and Abbot was much more a climate realist, truth seems to have more moral weight with him, i suggest that is a result of his religious convictions which seem to be genuine, (as opposed to Turnbull who was raised Presbyterian, converted to Catholicism to match his wife, and when its convenient to his career or financial advantage pretends he is is Jewish, thats not something he broadcasts in the media here, but in Israel the headlines i read billed him as Australias first Jewish Prime Minister, which demonstrates the level of his posturing overseas, the point being that he will pretend to be anything in order to advantage his/Goldmans agenda ) lets not forget Cardinal Pell is close to him and Pell is also a climate realist.
So if you want to know what Turnbull is going to say on climate, look at what would be Goldman Sachs view be ?
Amazing how easy it is to sell leftists a bill of goods when i agrees with their twisted ideals.
hes an ex glodbags sux man
lotta bucks in green scams
hes NOT our PM for good reason
if they hadnt thrown him out theyd have lost bigtime
his books a flop like his buddy hillarys
only the abc and the invested friends support him.
everyone else goes stfu mal and turns the radio/tv off or another channell
If coronavirus is an example of the experts being able to see what’s coming, assess it correctly from a position of incomplete knowledge and prepare us for it, why would we expect better from ‘climate science’?
It is reasonable to mention the worth of models of the spread of a virus and the spread of global warming. The COVID-19 modeled spread is “spotty” and others for climate modeling are “trending”. Both are invalidated by observations.
Scientists are giving science a bad name. Here’s a practical suggestion. From now on, specialists should not be called “scientists” as if it was a special class of human above all reproach. They should be described as they are trained and qualified: geologist, mammologist, phrenologist, apologist and so on as appropriate. A lot of the bunkum would be swept away when the discussions and claims are seen to be coming from people with recognized, specialized knowledge. When a proctologist stands to make engineering-oriented claims about how renewable energy systems should be subsidized and grid-connected, we can assess what standing the advisor has without further investigation.
I have nothing against polymaths, but the title of “scientist” is being deliberately misused. All specialists should be known by their specialty. That’s how it is with doctors. Why not with physical scientists?
I do not have enough expletives in my vocabulary to convey my honest reaction to this idiotic proclamation.
Physics already mugs what it needs to mug, which is climate hysteria. Physics that is properly applied, that is, and not re-written into an astrology-like pseudo representation of its proper self.
Physics probably could “mug” the current corona-catastrophism, if applied on a micro-scale properly.
What a total, wrong-headed, ignorant, out-of-touch-with-reality fool this man is — to speak of physics, as if he has any clue about what he is talking!
What Turnbull has exactly wrong is his definition of climate denier. Climate deniers are the ones denying natural climate variability. Physics mugs them on a regular basis but they manage to deny that too. ‘Tis but a scratch
Don’t even bother to react to the detail of what he says, he is just another green sheep when it comes to science. The reality is its just poor little Malcolm in a Muddle scratching around for msm attention. He is far and away the most self important PM we have ever had, got turfed when leader of the opposition for a quinella of gormless decisions then again as PM for pretty much the same and a discinnected arrogance. He supported the ‘republic’ cause a couple of decades ago and I think it is clear he had aims on being president. Fellow Aussies, can you just imagine Malcolm as President? Shudder…..
That’s certainly an irrefutable argument against a republic. But I always thought Malcolm would make an excellent Labor prime minister.
Trouble is Boganboy is that too many of our sitting so called conservatives are lefties. Look at Stokes and Keon, both pushing the renewables in NSW as though they belonged to the Greens Party. Even Morrison thinks his ‘quiet Australians’ are pro renewables. He doesn’t even realise that we voted for him because Labor or the Greens are all for renewables and we didn’t want a bar of them. Our stupid politicians choose to believe the MSM and the ABC, to lay to talk to the people.
Robert, I really like your second paragraph.
I agree with all you said, but that second paragraph is critical. Climate Science currently is more like astrology than science. Both employ models, both have at least one college to teach their subject, both have many followers, and both claim whatever happens is what was predicted by the model. Neither use verified or validated models.
It’s really difficult to see the difference in their actual implementation, although fewer people are embarrassed to say they believe climate science.
Is this like a knock knock joke?
Go on then Malcolm:
When is physics going to mug political complacency and [Climate] denialism?”
I’m sitting down…….
philincalifornia
When everyone gets bored of waiting for Klimate Katastrophe and goes back to their day job of course…..Silly.
Knock, Knock.
Who’s there?
Malcolm.
Malcolm who?
Malcolmtent.
I prefer:
Knock, Knock.
Who’s there?
Malcolm.
Malcolm who?
Exactly!
The tag for the picture is: “Turnbull waves goodbye…” If only that were true.
The sooner we see the last of that smug, greedy carpetbagger the better.
What is: when [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate changes is not political myth and evidence without regular infusions of brown matter to force a consensus with observation.
So two decades into serious CC narrative (longer but less vociferous) we still can’t attribute any world problems to AGW. Deaths? Coastal flooding? Tornadoes? Hurricanes? Fires? Asthma? Insect infestations? Animal extinctions? Anything? All of the CC horror stories have been debunked as either historically incorrect or mangled data yet there are those that still hold out for human annihilation for their redemption. Can’t we just off those people? They’d be happy to prove themselves correct at last and we could get on with life as normal 🙂
The left are desperate to draw comparisons between CV and climate.
They are utterly different physically, philosophically and practically. Their contortions really are pathetic.
Happy VE Day everyone.
We Allies beat the crap out of socialism 75 years ago, we can damn well do it again!
The model reliability and accuracy are very similar :<)
What kind of a mentality is this–hoping a disaster will happen so you can be proved right? It sounds like monstrous egotism plus a pathological lack of empathy for other human beings.
“It sounds like monstrous egotism plus a pathological lack of empathy for other human beings.”
Pretty good description of Turnbull’s better qualities.
Add in “slimebag extraordinaire”, and a few reference to the bottom of the human sewer, and you pretty much nailed it.
Little more than a ‘last hurrah’ from The Ghost Who Sulks’ who should, for ever more, be ignored..
One of the key ideas of the left is to not let a crisis go to waste. Ex-VP, and presumptive Democrat Party Presidential candidate Joe Biden, has said that the Chinese Virus is an excellent opportunity to fundamentally change America. It is virtually certain this means more control/dependency on Big Government, more taxes, and more option to cheat the voting protocol (like cheat by mail). The left is doom and gloom, the right is roll up our sleeves and fix this problem. The potential voting is too close to call. Stay sane and safe.
Meat factories are hard hit by the Coronavirus worldwide.
Does the virus infect cattle or porks?
Swine influenza is also a Coronavirus…
Fortunately meat is not in short supply. If the leftists get their way, you and your family will be eating insects every day for supper.
‘Pass the mealworms, Alex”
“meat is not in short supply”
wait a bit.
Alex: The slaughter houses are running out of butchers because of demographics, not tainted meat. Congress with Dem backing centralized most of the meat business and now we are dependent on fewer, but larger, slaughterhouses. Those business employ mostly immigrants who live, and work, in close quarters. I’ve also read that the workers have been left up to their own devices for protection against #19 so if they don’t catch it at home they can get it from work.
Same thing here in Alberta. 2 operations do almost all the processing, both have large covid outbreaks (Brooks and High River) so some shortages developing. Mostly workers from Somalia, Philippines, etc, locals don’t want the work, may not have choice at some point.
Plenty of supply, massive bottlenecks
Cost efficiency isn’t everything
There’s actually a lot of meat. The prices for cattle and swine are really low, so there’s animals a plenty to be had. The problem is processing. If you knew a farmer and a willing independent butcher, you could have yourself a bunch of meat fairly quickly.
Wife and I went to town to get some pork for green chile enchaladas. Went to Wallyworld, only one package allowed. Went to Smiths, only one package allowed. Went to the local small chain food store Lynns, pork butt buy one, get the second one free.
Big corporate chains buy from big corporate suppliers, small local chain buys from local supplier, big difference in result. Apparently Walmart and Smiths do not have the flexibility to adapt to the current situation. Those too big to fail are failing to adapt.
Alex
COVID-19 has nothing to do with Coronavirus any longer, it’s now a mental illness.
I agreed with the lockdown in the UK for the first 2 x 3 week periods until we understood what we are dealing with. Now it needs to be lifted as it’s becoming clear the virus does not spread by occasional contact, it spreads in confined environments like Hospitals, Care Homes, and domestic dwellings where people are exposed to it over a protracted period of time in close confinement.
Indeed, it has been established that there has not been a single case found (worldwide?) where a child under 10 years old has infected an adult.
It’s also becoming clear that a major influence on the survival rate is Vitamin D. The vast majority of all deaths of CV victims are found to be Vitamin D deficient. This is especially notable amongst the Black/Asian/middle eastern communities; they don’t absorb sunlight as well as white skinned Caucasians.
But of course, it’s another reason to have a go at the white community, but it’s an evolutionary phenomenon, what can I say??
There’s many advantages of having a darker skin, unfortunately, this isn’t one of them.
You’ll note that there doesn’t seem to be all that much of a problem with coronavirus in Africa. The people there catch it, feel a bit groggy for a bit, and then get better. Not many deaths. Pretty much like white people in UK. Note that most of the deaths are among old people in hospitals and (especially) care homes.
What connects them? Low Vitamin D levels!
The reason so many black people in UK die so often is simply that their skin can’t absorb enough of our very weak sun to generate enough Vitamin D. I’m waiting for some bright spark to try giving massive doses of Vitamin D to people in care homes or dark-skinned people.
My bet is on death rates plummeting.
With regard to Africa …
It has been noted that countries with high malaria incidence seem to have a low incidence of this coronavirus. example
“Disputin May 8, 2020 at 11:55 am
You’ll note that there doesn’t seem to be all that much of a problem with coronavirus in Africa.”
It’s Africa, and there is no longer any media attention to it since Live Aid and the Ethiopian famine of the 80’s. If a black person dies in Africa and no-one sees it, did it happen? Lets ignore the fact Africa is being Royally f@*&ed by China right now.
Patrick,
Yes, that’s (to some extent) true, but there is some news that gets out. After all, we did hear about ebola.
It’s interesting about China though. isn’t it.
Not dead ones.
In meat factories, lots of people work in very close quarters. Also those who work in meat factories tend to be poorer, which also means they live in houses that are more crowded than is average for the population and have less in the way of health care.
It has nothing to do with the virus infecting the animals themselves.
The meat factories concerned in Germany work with people from east Europe living in accommodations several people in one room. So the infections spread very well and fast
Add to that many government inspectors have been found to have the virus. They either come from or often visit urban locations as well as rural meat factories. Government itself spreading the disease.
The meat supply chain, not the meat supply is impacted by SARS Cov-2. The meat is being produced, but the farmers have no back-up plan to get it to the consumer if the processing plants slow down or stop processing meat. Prior to WWII, pigs and cattle were killed and “processed” in local slaughter houses. The NIMBYs got most of those shut down and regional processing plants became the norm.
Meat facilities will be one of the first places where we get a handle on the virus and how to control it. The techniques used here will also apply when we get other flare-ups of the Wuhan virus.
Time for some chickens in the backyard, and rabbit-snares in the paddock.
swine flu is H1N1 its not a corona
ASF is also NOT a corona
https://extension.psu.edu/african-swine-fever-and-covid-19-novel-coronavirus-are-not-the-same
meat shortages are due to closures of processing plants not a shortfal of animals
though as theyre too stingy to FEED the ones they have for a couple of weeks and have slaughtered and dumped them..there will be some supplychain gaps coming too
interesting thing?
CHINA owns Smithfield meats
and is still exporting pork TO China while local supplies are cut, i have read
also explains why they were hapy to have “american pork” exports so fast, when they went to brazil and other places for other meats
When koalas fly.
+20
Control freaks will use anything to extend their power.
There are a number of theories about how the economy works.
But Keynesian intervention became dominant for one reason.
It enhances the power and wealth of the state.
Same for “Global Warming”. It has really worked whereas “Global Cooling” could not be used to control society.
And now there is the fear of Wuhan Flu that has been used to impose control.
All three promotions have found ways to get around the otherwise formidable US Constitution.
There has been two earlier great experiments in authoritarian government.
Third Century.
Sixteenth Century.
The two previous experiments were driven until the bureaucrats ruined the economy.
This seems to be happening now.
If Turnbull’s intent is to say the official response to coronavirus is “a ‘metaphor, at high-speed’ of climate change politics,” he may be speaking the truth, however inadvertently. Pretty respectable arguments are made every day that the U.S. response, especially in the blue states, is a high-speed dress-rehearsal for implementing the Green New Deal.
Like most investment banker types, he could not care less about climate change except that he sees very large, world dominating, dollar signs every time someone mentions “Carbon Trading”. The only people who will get rich enough to ignore all the virtue crying and maintain their lifestyles will be the investment bankers.
The Labor Party has promised to drop quotas and increase the price of carbon dioxide emmissions. Under Labor merchant bankers will make more money, therefore Malcolm is working to damage the Libs. It’s only business.
Where I live, the nightime low/daytime high range is about 15 C. Winter low / Summer high range is about 70 C. Nobody has been able to show that a couple of degrees average increase over a century would be the cause of anything other than a warmer climate with a negligible amount more rain. The animals and plants are already adapted to far greater extremes. So what’s with these people calling me a “denier” ?
They are fascists, of course.
New boss, same as the old boss
Glad I left Australia and recinded my citizenship of this country years ago its a backward looking nanny state dictarsorship England and Ireland are the same I was born in Ireland now I am ashamed of my own country fortunately i now live where there is FREEDOM in South America will never return to these horrible places looks like the USA is also self immolating from ignorance. Eisteins was right human ignorance is eternal. You deserve it for your stupidity mr Mockton and Jo anne Nova take note!!
Eliza, don’t count USA out yet! Which county in South America do you call home now?
Randy
A remote location in Uruguay seems more and more attractive every day in today’s post truth world.
And Eliza, I see you left that duty-free bag of punctuation at the airport before you left Oz.
On purpose, or did it exceed the carry-on cabin luggage allowance?
If she flew Qantas, perhaps it landed in the bin of missing ‘u’s.
Its actually QANTAS: Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service
And it’s actually “it’s” – it is. 🙂
South America scares me a bit, interesting to hear another side to the story.
LOL, “physics”
http://phzoe.com/2020/04/08/do-blankets-warm-you/
Zoe,
You have obviously never had a decent course in engineering heat-transfer analysis.
Dan,
With all due respect, reconsider your comment.
What is wrong with my analysis?
To someone competent in heat-transfer analysis, the fact that the earth is about 33 C warmer than it would be without a GHE is empirical proof that the GHE exists. I am sorry but your model is so wrong that it is not even relevant. But cheer up, the GCMs are egregiously wrong also and they are by people who should know better.
NASA et al are correct that a GHE exists but they are wrong about it being caused by CO2. The temperature of the planet has risen slightly (about a degree C since 1895) and human activity has contributed to about half of the increase. The temperature increase has been caused by water vapor increase, not CO2 increase.
“To someone competent in heat-transfer analysis, the fact that the earth is about 33 C warmer than it would be without a GHE is empirical proof that the GHE exists.”
Mere assertion.
My theory perfectly explains the 33C gap without using silly backwarming theory that can’t be verified by experiment.
Blankets don’t warm you, they prevent the heat from escaping.
What is it about sky dragons and their inability to form valid analogies?
Did I not just quote NASA claiming GHGs act as a blanket? It’s in my article.
You admit that blankets don’t warm you, but you still believe GHG blanket raises surface temperature by 33C.
What is it about lukewarmers making analogies that refute them?
You admit blankets don’t raise your temperature. But why not? Don’t blankets absorb IR? Don’t they send photons back to your body?
If they don’t, why would GHGs? So silly.
Zoe’s so bad at making analogies, she can’t even tell when other people are attempting the same poor analogy that she uses.
Blankets and GHGs have completely differrent mechanisms, as I and dozens of others have tried to explain to you. Just because someone else uses the same brain numbed analogy does not make the analogy correct.
Since none of your analogies have any basis in actual physics, nothing you have written has refuted me. Trying to teach you is like trying to teach any of the alarmists. None of you know anything about science and you all cling to broken analogies.
“Blankets and GHGs have completely differrent mechanisms”
No! Conductive, Convective Radiative transfers are in play in both scenarios.
All 3 types don’t make blankets raise your temperature.
All 3 types don’t make GHGs raise your temperature.
You’re the one that can’t understand analogies. You just pretend that blankets don’t absorb IR. But for CO2 it matters.
“…physical reality of sickness and death on a scale we haven’t seen for a very long time…”
Show me the evidence. Where is this sickness and death that is soooo out our the ordinary? Oh, right. There isn’t any such thing, but it makes a good sound bite.
I am Australian and you do not know the half of it with this guy. He was the Prime Minister of what we call the coalition it is composed of what we call the Liberal party and the National party. Liberal in the Australian sense is not the same as the USA. It is a party that has been very much promoting right-wing deals since it was founded by a man called Menzies. Recently MT wrote a book in which he explained how he was the instigator of establishing the Guardian newspaper in Australia. He is a rich man and claim would not have looked right for him to fund it figured being $20 million so he decided one of his friends to do so. He set up a media organisation that was directly opposed to the principles of his party and he is proud of it! Unfortunately it says much about those that supported him in his party. His actions for me always pointed to a wish to destroy his party.
Poor Turnbull a-hole is still suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome.
Many more people are now awake to his CON-MAN status. Most just laugh at his puerile attempts.
The trouble with the climate change catastrophe story is that it will take so long to falsify. The big horror is always ten years away. When it doesn’t happen in ten years, well, it will predicted to happen in ten years after that.
Climate change hysteria has always seemed to me like fear of nuclear war. In fact, Greenpeace was initially founded as an organization to ban nuclear weapons. That was a popular cause until about 1990, when people just ceased to worry about it. You can only say, catastrophe will happen soon, for four decades before people notice that it hasn’t happened and probably never will.
In thirty years, Greta Thunberg will be 47, and still waiting for the mass extinction that she has dedicated her life to preventing. By that time even she might get a little tired of the wait. Until then, we’re all going to have to put up with these people.
Incidentally, I have never heard an adult who wasn’t being paid in some way to raise the alarm about climate change spontaneously claim to be worried about climate change. Most people don’t really care.
Did he really say he’d like to see “THE climate change happen” Does he think it will be a singular event that we are all waiting for. Will he expect to see snow in Barbados in July. And that this strange weather event will be the new permanent state until another singular change occurs.
I’m fairly sure climate is not a measurable “thing”; it is a perception. Climate is what you expect to see as you go to open the curtains each morning based on experience, thirty years of records and memory and taking into account the time of year and where in the world you happen to be. And what you see through the glass is the weather. A slow gradual change in our expectation, is brought about by changes in the daily weather over a thirty /forty year period. Or am I wrong? Either way what on earth is the point of giving this person the benefit of any attention at all.
Well, we “climate model denialists” rely on empirical evidence instead of
computer gamescomputer models to understand the physical world, so physics is on our side. Modest warming and sea level rise is no big deal. But if worrying about non-problems is your thing, well…Blaming CO2 for warming is shallow penetration of science/physics. Analysis using data from Quantum Mechanics calculations by Hitran reveals that water vapor increase has caused about 10 times more ground level warming than CO2 increase. The cooling effect of more CO2 in the stratosphere apparently cancels the small contribution to warming of more CO2 at ground level with the result that CO2 has no significant effect on climate.
WV has been increasing about 1.5% per decade which is MORE THAN IS POSSIBLE from feedback from temperature increase. https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com
Most (about 96%) of the WV increase is a result of irrigation increase.
Dan,
Cotton blankets absorb IR better than water vapor and CO2, but they don’t warm you.
The first thermodynamics experiments of Pictet in 1800 already debunk the stupid backwarming gas theory. No backwarming solids … no backwarming gases. Simple.
Once again, Zoe demonstrates utter ignorance in all things thermodynamic.
Blankets don’t warm you, they prevent the air warmed by your body from escaping. Much as green houses do.
CO2 warms the air by capturing IR photons and transferring that energy to the air.
Completely different mechanisms.
The claim is also that GHGs raise the SURFACE temperature. You know, the dirt, water, rocks, plants, etc…
No, the claim is that GHG’s warm the atmosphere. Can’t you at least get your idiocies straight?
Are you finally admitting the surface is 33C hotter than what the sun alone can do to something other than GHGs?
No Zoe, technically it’s the Sun that raises the surface temperature, but that temperature is higher with GHGs in the atmosphere because the GHGs are at the atmosphere’s temperature, and they reduce the rate at which heat can leave the surface to the atmosphere, rather than to outer space at -270 C in accordance with Stephan Boltzmann equation.
Here’s an educational article for you:
http://www.mhtl.uwaterloo.ca/courses/ece309_mechatronics/lectures/pdffiles/summary_ch12.pdf
In cyberspace that may be true, but the about 1,677 equatorial speed of Earth’s rotation spins every gas to higher altitudes with much lower temperatures before coming back down again. CO2 gets into the upper mesosphere with -100C temperatures. This and all its other roles make CO2 not just a life giving gas but also a cooling agent for surface temperatures.
DMac,
The sun provides the surface with ~165 W/m^2.
Why do you believe that preventing 165 from cooling to 0.000003 W/m^2 raises the surface to ~398 W/m^2?
That’s INSANE.
Blankets prevent your body’s IR from leaving further in that direction, yet your body T doesn’t rise. Same holds true for gases.
“CO2 warms the air by capturing IR photons and transferring that energy to the air.”
Utter rubbish !!
There is no empirical evidence that this happens.
There is a mountain of empirical,evidence, all the way back to Tyndal in 1859.
The fact that you and other sky-dragon slayers on here deny it does not make it so, and in fact matters not a jot.
Other than to weaken any “argument” sceptics may have in attacking the science because they don’t the implications of what it says to us.
So do carry on.
I know you will ignore any and all evidence put to you but for what it’s worth …..
https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/simple-measurements-demonstrate-that-co2-is-a-greenhouse-gas-tim-ball/
Oh, and ultimately Fred , Zoe et al … if you say so.
IR absorption is not the greenhouse effect.
The role of lukewarmers is to give legitimacy to the junk science of alarmists.
You have no evidence, you have circular assertions and reification. You’re a cult of imbecility. You get no respect.
Turnbull on carbon border taxes:
“The Europeans have made it very clear to Australia, publicly, that we should expect in the free trade agreement that the government has been negotiating for some time with the EU that there will be climate change elements in it … I think it is inevitable and I do support them as a matter of principle”.
Free trade is ‘international trade left to its natural course without tariffs, quotas, or other restrictions’ so a trade agreement with a carbon border tax is not free trade.
During his term as PM he worked assiduously against the interests of ordinary Australians which is one reason he was dumped and he is still at it.
Turnbull was useless as head of the Australian Republican Movement. Therefore, it came as no surprise that he was useless as Prime Minister. He has a chronic inability to separate the political wheat from the political chaff.
Covid lockdown about to be re-branded as Climate lockdown, these people are sick, today the Climate change Minister has announced what we long suspected this complete farce is about to be shoved down our necks as an excuse to in-debt our children in the name of the quasi religion called Man Made climate change, a debunked fraud, the modelers who brought you the covid lock down, unprecedented in history are bent on using the same fear tactics to bankrupt the entire country.
Recovery funds earmarked for green fantasy projects, compulsory track and trace technologies, continuing 2 year lock downs and forced vaccinations.
This in the name of a Carbon free economy pushed by completely dedicated Communist stooges, they have no clue that extra co2 greens the earth not heats it, or that every person breaths out co2 every day of your life, or maybe they do and their Carbon free plan is really thinly veiled Eugenics, a plan to depopulate YOU.
Whats next? delayed or canceled elections so you cant fight back against their edicts, suppression of your rights to free speech, destruction of the right to protest just like the commie crack down in HONG KONG.
No doubt ill see a few of you in re education camp.
If you think im tripping then do your own research, start with Cindys(PM) last U.N. speech pushing One World Government in the Chinese Model.
The time for complacency is past, now its time to take our country back!!
Reposted from a comment i made in NZ,
Ill add PLEASE send troops President Trump and a Aircraft Carrier, one of your oldest Allies is in clear and present danger of a Communist Take over against the will of her people.
WWG1WGA
That’s an easy one.
NEVER
Malcolm Who?
Australia is lettered with ex Prime Ministers all still on the taxpayer funded gravy train.
Ah come on now, since a few years ago they do actually have to “serve” three terms, 9 years IIRC, before they are “entitled”. NZ still has to catch up on that after they caught up on perks before.
You can always tell there is money to be made in a sc@m if there is a Turnbull sniffing around. His son is heavily involved in renewable financing.
Malcolm Turnbull is not a scientist and a stooge for the left of politics. He does not know what he is talking about and a supporter of the crazy idea that human beings have a magic wand called CO2 they can the global mean temperatures with. That’s why he got ditched as PM. His successor Scott Morisson is doing an outstanding job.
FYI, ‘climate change’ is mostly at the poles and results from slight variations in Earth’s 13 solar diameter motion above and below the sun annually, as caused by the orbits and gravity of 4 outer planets with 445 times the mass of Earth. As Earth rotates with an equatorial speed of ~1,677 km/h, every gas is spunout to greater altitudes the all become cooling agents. CO2 gets as far up as the upper mesosphere with -100C temperatures.
Wasn’t Brother Turnbull in charge once? If it was so good an idea he should have been able to get it done then. He didn’t! Therefore it is NOT such a good idea!
Ex – dear leader – narcissist in chief!
Turnbull turns everything he touches to dust. If he had been Paul Revere America would still be part of Great Britain.
Apart form OneTel where AU$500k turns in to AU$50million+ in a few years just before the company went bust!
Goldman Sachs Turnbull…
As a broker of carbon credits, Goldman Sachs will make endless A$, US$, €, etc., from the climate change scam. That’s why they put their people in charge of governments.
“I’m not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political, it is being selfish. …” I think Phil jones said this not Turnbull.
Question: why do so many people in government and so many people in politics – not take the scientific evidence on climate change seriously: Answer: the scientific evidence is not so scientific after all because it is flawed and the methodology used is corrupted by activism.
Question: “When is physics going to mug political complacency and denialism?” Answer: when they get it right. And once they get it right they will no longer need to depend on the perceived power of words like science and physics to convince their audience.
Complete power shutdown in Kenya due to this COVID-19 BS!
Here in Australia many of us are fed up with this man. Most of us never wanted him in the first place but he whiteanted the man we voted for and placed himself in the top job. After he blew everything and left politics he promised to remain silent and not be a “miserable ghost”. But true to form he was incapable of remaining silent. Since then he’s done nothing but open his mouth every few days. Mostly to remind us how brilliant he was and to tell an entire country what it should be doing.
Like Krudd angling for a cosy sinecure with the usual suspects at the UN most likely.
yeah Krudds popped up and being mouthy again then along comes the turd again
they both are so far up emselves they dont realise how loathed they are
Is denialism a word? Surely denial is correct? Still. Who am I to question such a great man?
“And so the question really is: why do so many people in government and so many people in politics – particularly in the Anglo sphere – not take the scientific evidence on climate change just as seriously?
“When is physics going to mug political complacency and denialism? “
It’s pretty simple you dweeb. When the movers and shakers coastal/esplanade real estate prices crash.
Physics is much more likely to mug those catastrophists who have been mugged by the anthropegenic global warming con.
“pandemic-battered economies”
No, no, no, no. This pandemic hasn’t done anything to economies. We, or rather those listening to advice from the likes of Mr Ferguson have deliberately shut down economies. That ‘solution’ is not a medical one.
Well it mugged some guy called Malcolm Turnbull. Twice, as matter of fact. He was knocked off as Opposition Leader by climate realist Tony Abbott, then was again knocked off by Scott Morrison. Both times at least partly because of Turnbull’s lack of understanding of the climate data, which shows nothing much is happening in the real world.
I seem to recall that Lovelock stated on a BBC horizon programme (many years ago) that we needed more CO2 to stop the Earth cooling. I think I still have a recording somewhere too.
Mr Turnball is right. Physics, the real stuff, not models of it, will mug the politicians and kick them forcefully in the behind. But not with the result he hankers for. It will show them and, more importantly, the electorate what a crock the man-made climate change hoax really is and kick it decisively into the long grass.
From the article: “And so the question really is: why do so many people in government and so many people in politics – particularly in the Anglo sphere – not take the scientific evidence on climate change just as seriously [as the Wuhan virus]?”
The reason should be that there is no scientific evidence that human-caused climate change is real, and people are not dying of it all over the place.
The Wuhan virus has destroyed the lives of millions of innocent people. Human-Caused Climate Change is a Hoax that has not physically harmed anyone. There may be a lot of mental harm done from all the misinformation put out about human-caused climate change, but that doesn’t make human-caused climate change a reality in the real world.
Claiming there is scientific evidence of human-caused climate change doesn’t necessarily make it so, and in this case, demonstrates that Turnbull is either seriously misinformed, or is deliberately lying about the status of climate science.
Show us this evidence for Human-caused Climate Change, Mr. Turnbull. Other alarmists are invited to chime in with their evidence. Help ole Turnbull out.
Noone will be chiming in. That’s my prediction. Why won’t anyone be chiming it? Because they have no evidence and there is no evidence to have, so they will remain silent, as they should.
“Tom Abbott May 9, 2020 at 9:55 am
The Wuhan virus has destroyed the lives of millions of innocent people.”
The virus did nothing of the sort, just like climate change. What destroyed the lives of millions was political action. Like climate change all based on faulty data and shonky computer models.
“The virus did nothing of the sort, just like climate change. What destroyed the lives of millions was political action. Like climate change all based on faulty data and shonky computer models.”
Ridiculous, Patrick. Faulty data and shonky computer models? It sounds like you drank the koolaide, Patrick. First of all, you, nor anyone else, has any idea whether the unmitigated death predictions are wrong. We won’t know this true figure until we know all about the infectiousness and lethality of the Wuhan virus, and we don’t know that right now, so claiming the data is faulty or shonky has not been established. And the computer model predicting mitigated death numbers looks to be tracking right along the prediction.
We’ll know soon enough about the virus computer models. I’ll remind you of what you said here. Or maybe I’ll just let it go so as not embarrass you.
Our current “shonky” computer model is predicting between 100,000 and 140,000 mitigated deaths from the Wuhan virus in the U.S.. The death toll is almost 80,000 now and climbing. Twenty thousand more and your “shonky” claim turns into a puff of smoke.
You should just watch the numbers for a while, and not make any new predictions.
Turdbull is just a ‘scientific illiterate’ ignore the prick…