Greta Thunberg Trashes the new EU “Green Deal” Climate Law

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

For once I agree with something Thunberg said; the European Union’s new Green Deal is a total sham.

Greta Thunberg brands EU’s new climate law ‘surrender’

Ms Thunberg spoke in Brussels on Wednesday as the EU unveiled a proposed law for reducing carbon emissions. 

If passed, the law would make it a legal requirement for the EU to be carbon neutral by 2050.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen hailed the law as the “heart of the European Green Deal”.

But 17-year-old Ms Thunberg dismissed the law as “empty words”, accusing the EU of “pretending” to be a leader on climate change.

“When your house is on fire, you don’t wait a few more years to start putting it out. And yet this is what the Commission is proposing today,” Thunberg told the European Parliament’s environment committee.

“Your distant targets will mean nothing if high emissions continue like today, even for just a few more years, because that will use up our remaining carbon budget before we even have the chance to deliver on your 2030 or 2050 goals,” Ms Thunberg said.

Read more:

h/t BBC; Click here to see the EU’s explanation of their new green deal, their ambition to move to a “clean circular economy”.

The EU has always had a problem translating words into actions. Their 2005 carbon market collapsed, in my opinion because all the member states tried to cheat by issuing too many carbon credits to their own national champions. I believe Greta is right when she says that the EU setting a 2050 climate goal or even a 2030 climate goal is meaningless.

I don’t support Greta, I think a serious attempt to implement her ideas would be a disaster. But I see the funny side of this situation; all those EU hypocrites who hyped the Greta phenomenon, who hoped to use her as a green smokescreen, are currently having a very uncomfortable time.

Let us hope Greta doesn’t experience the remarkably bad luck with traffic accidents which has afflicted a handful of other high profile critics of EU policy.

Update (EW): A few other examples of bad traffic luck. Note I have no evidence of foul play, other than the nasty incident Nigel Farage suffered.

Hard right Austrian politician and EU critic Jörg Haider died in a car accident in 2008, after stunning establishment parties by repeatedly winning a sizeable fraction of the national vote.

Leading Danish Eurosceptic Ole Krarup suffered a nasty bicycle accident in Strasbourg in 2007, the medical consequences of which led him to resign.

High profile Polish Euroskeptic and cold war resistance hero Filip Adwent died in a car crash in 2005.

Bob Cryer, a leading British Labour Euroskeptic, died in a car crash in 1994.

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March 4, 2020 6:09 pm

When she says
“Action must be powerful and wide-ranging.
After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment.
It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will.
Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it.
We need to dismantle them all.”
–– GretaThunberg™️
It is clear what her minders want!!

Reply to  ColA
March 4, 2020 9:02 pm

She couldn’t put 2 sentences together that would even sound credible, if it were not for her handlers. Even the hard core serious Greens in the EU must be having 2nd thoughts about making Greta Thunberg their spokesperson. Maybe she makes the environmental movement look so crazy loopy, that the moderates that want some action will separate themselves from these bizarre cultists. In this case, be careful what you wish for. Carbon neutral might really mean neutralization if they had their way. It has happened before, on countless occasions and this time is no different.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Earthling2
March 4, 2020 10:30 pm

“She couldn’t put 2 sentences together that would even sound credible, if it were not for her handlers.”

No doubt. I’d love to be able to ask her, with no one around to prompt her, “What is a Patriarchy? What is Colonialism? What is Fascism?”

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 4, 2020 11:55 pm

I really don’t give a damn what this (non) school-girl thinks of it but this proposal is not joke.

The EU will be climate neutral in 2050. To do this, we proposed a European Climate Law turning the political commitment into a legal obligation and a trigger for investment.

This BS will totally destroy what is left of the european economy. The UNELECTED EU commission will push this through and then EU countries will have the legal and enforceable duty to impose it on their own populations.

Recall that the so-called European Parliament can not repeal any law it is foolish enough to pass and can not initiate any law on its. Only the UNELECTED commision has that power.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Greg
March 5, 2020 5:22 am

How can Man – or a schoolgirl – make a secular law to control a law of nature?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Greg
March 5, 2020 5:25 am

“Recall that the so-called European Parliament can not repeal any law it is foolish enough to pass and can not initiate any law on its [own]. Only the UNELECTED commision has that power.”

A recipe for disaster.

Patrick Hrushowy
Reply to  Greg
March 5, 2020 8:23 am

Hopefully Brexit will somewhat immunise Britain from the worst of this EU self-destruction.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  Greg
March 5, 2020 10:01 am

Greg; the EU will huff and puff and nothing much will come out of it. I bet that in five years’ time, the situation will be pretty much the same as today, except there will only be five years left to save the climate, and then four, and three…and then they move the goalposts to 2050. There is always a new date for climate disaster beckoning in the distance.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Greg
March 6, 2020 5:42 am

With Boris the Bumbling Buffoon as Prime Minister, the UK government is just as mad as the EU so there is little chance of change until he is got rid of – probably sometime next year unless the virus gets him first.

The majority of Tory activists don’t believe in global warming and they voted Boris as leader.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 4, 2020 11:58 pm

Take away her smartphone and then see how she performs.

Reply to  Earthling2
March 5, 2020 4:14 am

Sailing Greta Thunberg // HALF WAY DAY & Interview with Greta!

interview starts at 2:20

Reply to  ColA
March 5, 2020 3:57 am

It is clear what her minders want!!

Knowing one of her minders who got notoriety by being photographed with the puppet too much (Luisa-Marie from Soros & Gates foundation for aspiring Commissars), it’s a foregone conclusion, no? Same old tune, same old song.

Joel Snider
Reply to  ColA
March 5, 2020 7:46 am

Maybe she should just shut up for another year or so.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  Joel Snider
March 5, 2020 10:02 am

Too late, who wants a 19-year old 10-year old?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
March 5, 2020 4:28 pm

Well, Obama met her at the UN.

Tom Abbott
March 4, 2020 6:10 pm

The EU politicians are sleepwalking to ruin.

Charles Higley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 4, 2020 8:07 pm

The entire EU needs to be placed under house arrest, all industry shut down, all travel forbidden, and all electricity shut off. That would be most of what she wants. Then, as the population starved to death, the goals would be achieved.

Only someone who has not concept of what they are demanding, the green hell deal, would think that it could be achieved overnight.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  Charles Higley
March 4, 2020 10:50 pm

“Then as the population starved to death” – that too would be blamed on global warming and that we would need to redouble our efforts.

Even mass suicide won’t satisfy them.

Its a grave mistake to pander to these people.

Reply to  Ken Irwin
March 4, 2020 11:45 pm

“Its a grave mistake to pander to these people.”

No pun intended…in more ways than one!

Reply to  Charles Higley
March 5, 2020 7:14 pm

The decomposition of so many dead bodies and animal would cause unprecedented rises in CO2!\
Not to mention coal mine fires, damaged oil and gas wells spouting flames. Horrendous.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 4, 2020 10:22 pm

On the contrary, they are racing to be the first in the race to ruin.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 5, 2020 5:15 am

In the words of Samuel Goldwyn – “Include me out !”

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 5, 2020 11:28 am

As are all western politicians except Trump. Look at Gove and Boris’ stupidity in the UK. It’s totally mindless virtue signalling. We need President Trumps everywhere before it’s too late although for the EU the non climate tipping point has already passed with BREXIT

March 4, 2020 6:16 pm

Here is the link to the EU climate law, that is a supranational plan to rule every country of the EU…
Thunberg is just playing “bad cop” while a totalitarian regime is being set up.
This is all an act.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  TomRude
March 4, 2020 7:18 pm

With the coming migrant wave v2.0 to Central Europe, the UK got the Hell out of the EU just in time. Now to escape from lunatic climate policies BoJo must snap out of his klimate koolaide-induced coma.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
March 4, 2020 10:10 pm

The UK is not out of the EU yet.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 5, 2020 12:29 am

The difference is that a UK parliament, no longer ruled by the EU commission can pas a new law when someone smart enough realises how stupid this all is.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 5, 2020 12:59 am

The actual period when the UK actually does leave the EU is sometime towards the end of the year, it’s a little more complicated that a trade deal with the EU. I am hoping Trump wins in November and the UK strikes up a trade deal with the US. Trouble is, BoJo is the PM. He does not have a great track record when he was Mayor of London.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 5, 2020 3:47 am

Yes. It all depends on what you mean by ‘out of the EU’. But one thing’s for sure: we no longer have any Members in the European Parliament. So we are definitely out of the EP. How about the Council of Ministers? We surely don’t any longer send anybody to those meetings. And on the last day when any British MEPs attended the EP they said they were sorry to see us go. So they obviously think we are out.

John Endicott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 6, 2020 5:45 am

Sorry Patrick MJD but you are behind the times, the UK left the EU at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020. It’s not in a transition period (set to end on 31 December 2020), during which the UK and EU will negotiate their future relationship in particular as it pertains to trade between the two.

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
March 6, 2020 7:34 am

That should have read “It’s now in a transition period” where’s the edit button when you need it?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  John Endicott
March 6, 2020 10:45 pm

Do you have an EU passport and can you freely travel to EU countries from the UK? That would be a yes on both counts at this time I would suggest. So, the UK is still “in” the EU until all those negotiations (Industry, borders and migration etc) are complete. At a fundamental level, it’s like divorce, you separate for a period (12 months usually), then the divorce is applied for and granted sometime after. The UK has “separated” from the EU. Either way you define it, I think it is a splendid decision made by the British. BTW, I was born in the UK, I am British, and bore witness to Teddy Heath screwing the UK over in 1973, effective Jan 1st 1974, without a vote on it until 1975.

I am keen to see further departures from the EU, I reckon Poland will be next, many countries won’t, Ireland, Greece etc. But the break up of the EU will continue. Remember Yugoslavia?

John Endicott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 6, 2020 5:50 am

The actual period when the UK actually does leave the EU is sometime towards the end of the year,

Sorry Patrick MJD you are flat out wrong. The UK left the EU in Jan (at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020 to be precise). Negotiations between the two on the nature of their future relations is what is set for the end of the year (31 December 2020 to be precise). Regardless of the outcome of those negotiations, the UK is already out and has been since Jan 31st. period. pretending otherwise does not change the facts.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
March 4, 2020 10:32 pm

“klimate koolaide-induced coma.”

Kooky-Klimate-Kupcake-girlfriend-induced coma more like.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 5, 2020 5:26 am

Motherhood will probably help to change her mind.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
March 5, 2020 1:08 pm

“With the coming migrant wave v2.0 to Central Europe”

This is not going to be pretty. Greece has already shot a few of these people trying to cross their border illegally. Europe better figure out a way to blunt this.

I must say I’m very happey with President Trump’s decision to pull American troops out of the middle of the fiasco currently brewing along the Syria/Turkey border.

March 4, 2020 6:18 pm

Implementing the GND next week wouldn’t be fast enough for Greta.

Joel O'Bryan
March 4, 2020 6:21 pm

The Never enough, Ever more mindset of the Left must be understood and most importantly, REJECTED.

Even if a rational person or group trying to get along ceded to all their demands today, come tomorrow they wouldn’t be enough. It’s always more.
The only rational thing is to keep them away from all forms of political power.

March 4, 2020 6:28 pm

Yep, the trillion dollar per year “climate” industry consists of basically useless people running their mouths off talking about removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Even Greta has spotted that they don’t actually remove any but rather, these gasbags create more. Ironically (sorry Eric) a group of people who actually do suck CO2 out of the atmosphere, via their cornfields, are the farmers making corn for bioethanol production and, in general, they don’t give a flying **** about “climate”.

March 4, 2020 6:36 pm

Greta’s remarks are reminiscent of James Hansen describing the Paris Agreement as ‘a fraud’ and ‘a farce’.
As Eric remarks, it is difficult to disagree with Greta in her claim that such distant targets are meaningless.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Herbert
March 4, 2020 7:01 pm

Well I’m pretty sure Eric and Greta are coming from opposite sides of the debate, and for the diametrically opposed reasons, that “the Paris Agreement as ‘a fraud’ and ‘a farce’” and why they are meaningless appeasements.

Appeasing terrorists only gets more terrorism.

Reply to  Herbert
March 4, 2020 7:15 pm

Plus they are pretty certain they understand the mathematics of restricting global temperature increases to 1.5C without knowing climate sensitivity. It’s difficult to understand the moronicity of these clowns, who almost certainly can’t understand what I’m talking about here.

“Our magic calculators go up to 11”

….. but then again, here I am thinking this fraud is all about the climate.

Reply to  Herbert
March 6, 2020 6:19 am

I have to say Hansen was one of the few in the Green/Left groups that was actually smart enough to work out what was going to happen with the Paris agreement. It was stupid from the outset by putting China in with developing nations.

Now all the big players have used the agreement as a way to strangle the very movement that actual set it up. Some of the political knife jobs have been breathtakingly clever especially China and USA. I have to single out China for being able to get human rights cut from the agreement without getting so much as a complaint from anyone but the most extreme right all over it activists. It is actually amusing that some in the left/green groups still haven’t worked out that it all got cut.

March 4, 2020 6:51 pm

Greta is finished glad I left Europe as a child and Australia as an adult a looong loong time ago cheers

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Eliza
March 4, 2020 10:35 pm

Finished because of another girl who says the opposite? Not likely. Naomi will be harshly abused in social media if she isn’t already.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 5, 2020 2:28 am

The character assassination of Naomi Seibtby the liberal establishment has already started:

Reply to  Graemethecat
March 5, 2020 10:50 am

Good reference for a phony attack on Seibt.

When an article quotes the SPLC as a moral authority, you know they are phony. The SPLC is a classic leftist, “the ends justify the means”, corrupt organization that agitates against the good in our civilisation. They have been credibly accused of marked internal racism against their own minority employees. The only people more contemptible than the SPLC are the people who use SPLC quotes to commit character assassinations against decent people.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  kwinterkorn
March 5, 2020 1:12 pm

“The only people more contemptible than the SPLC are the people who use SPLC quotes to commit character assassinations against decent people.”

A very good way to put it.

The SPLC is a leftwing, bought and paid for smear machine. Kind of like Fusion GPS.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 6, 2020 7:40 am

Well, she’s finished being unopposed. The “how dare you attack a child?” narrative that gets trotted out (whenever anyone tries to counter her with facts) falls flat when the countering is coming from someone in her own age group. Funny how the “how dare you attack a child?” narrative is nowhere to be seen when it’s Naomi that’s being “harshly abused”.

March 4, 2020 6:54 pm

I think the EU and all the other political acolytes who have slavishly followed St Greta have somewhat overcooked their golden goose. Whilst they were just intending to pay lip service to her message and Just seem like they are doing something serious about climate change Greta is absolutely all in. Zero emissions now , no grey area, no waiting around, no actually putting targets that are within any distant time that one might be forced to take some consequences for their action. Full on action now! This may be the first realisation from the idiot leaders who are all in on Greta that maybe that some distance between Greta and themselves might be prudent. Her teenage devotee zombies will follow but all other sane people will run as far away from her as possible. I may be wrong but this might be the beginning of the end for St Greta.

March 4, 2020 7:02 pm

When the fundamental target is meaningless, the timing doesn’t make it less meaningless.

Reply to  Kenw
March 4, 2020 8:32 pm

Personally I am at a different place on the Maslow hierarchy

I am prepping for Corona, so concern for the planetary future will have to wait

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  yarpos
March 4, 2020 11:33 pm

It’s pretty lame beer, though, I wouldn’t bother…

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  yarpos
March 5, 2020 8:57 am

One should take the Corona virus seriously. But note that 30,000 Americans dies yearly due to influenza, thus it is not at the disaster of AOC, Greta and EU.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  yarpos
March 5, 2020 10:09 am

35.000 climate-saviours will go to Glasgow. Great opportunity for virus exchange. Or wait, maybe it is called off, and performed as a vido conference isntead? Then who can argue for all that air travel next time th y wan to meet, if that worked out fine? Of course, it is not so fun for 400+ delegates from a tiny poor African country to huddle in front of a screen at home.

Mark Shulgasser
March 4, 2020 7:03 pm

“Let us hope Greta doesn’t experience the remarkably bad luck with traffic accidents which has afflicted a handful of other high profile critics of EU policy.” Yet only one such accident is referenced. Are there more?

Reply to  Mark Shulgasser
March 4, 2020 8:59 pm

General Patton? Did the Ruskies do him in? How about 14 others?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 4, 2020 11:11 pm

Wait,wot? It kinda looks like you were giving the “you gots a nice life here, wouldn’t want to ruin it”. Seriously. Worral is half the reason why I’d never tell a sympathetic climate friend to look here.

Reply to  Jerry
March 5, 2020 12:41 am

Worrel is half the reason I would.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jerry
March 6, 2020 7:42 am

The faux outrage of concern trolls is half the reason someone should look here.

Gordon Dressler
March 4, 2020 7:15 pm

“If passed, the law would make it a legal requirement for the EU to be carbon neutral by 2050.”

If passed, what would be the penalties for not meeting the legal requirement?

Every citizen in EU countries fined $100,000 Euros (or the equivalent of 5 carbon credits)?
Every citizen does 6 months jail time?
Each citizen must write out 500 lines of “Climate change is real”?
Each citizen must undergo “retraining”, similar to what happened in China many years ago?
Each citizen must add at least 100 m^2 of solar cells at their residence?

Maybe all of the above?

March 4, 2020 7:16 pm

And when your house isn’t on fire, it’s destructive and idiotic to spray it down with a fire hose.

Reply to  Scissor
March 4, 2020 7:27 pm

Wasn’t that a hoot!!

Reply to  Scissor
March 4, 2020 9:36 pm

Can’t find the pump switch? Didn’t think of it? Oh….

Reply to  Scissor
March 5, 2020 3:43 am

Cue the Benny Hill theme tune!

March 4, 2020 7:24 pm

Trudeau would be having complete sympathy with the UN wallahs about now – he’s getting his a5se kicked by the same eco l00nies he’s tried to placate including Greta Kardashian.

There is no dealing with these eco zealots – appease them on one front, and they still turn around and bite you on the a5se with an extra set of (often unrelated) grievances.

As Sun Tzu advised – “keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer”

Trudeau and the UN’s BIG MISTAKE has been in not identifying that their friends are really their enemies.

Reply to  Mr.
March 4, 2020 8:05 pm

Wasn’t Trudeau Mick Jagger’s big mistake?

Reply to  toorightmate
March 4, 2020 9:12 pm

Fidel’s more likely.

shortus cynicus
Reply to  Mr.
March 4, 2020 11:18 pm

Fiedel couldn’t make any mistakes by definition by being communist.

I you are communists, you can eat children alive on television and all lefty newspapers will write: you care about children.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  shortus cynicus
March 4, 2020 11:40 pm

I like children, but I couldn’t eat a whole one…

Stewart Pid
Reply to  Mr.
March 5, 2020 5:39 am

All three Trudeau children were born by the time of Fidel (’76) and later Jagger (’77). See Picture of Castro holding Michel.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Stewart Pid
March 5, 2020 9:58 am

Ummm …. Fidel was in power in 1959 …..
led Commie party in Cuba till what ? 2011 ?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Mr.
March 4, 2020 11:18 pm

Sun Tzu (paraphrasing) said ‘know your enemy and you will know success’

Friends close enemies closer is from the Godfather movie but is usually accepted to have been paraphrased from a much long winded line from The Prince.

(Not to be confused with Prince, who said a lot of things, most of which to music 😀 )

(also Sun Tzu is the ‘motivational poster’ of military advice. Overrated. If he was really good at his job he would have said something like “the moral high ground is a great place to deploy your artillery”. But he didn’t! HACK!)

March 4, 2020 7:26 pm

I wonder how she’s handling the Coronavirus

Reply to  Grant
March 4, 2020 8:01 pm

The weak El Niño is generating warmer than average temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere. I strongly suspect that SARS-Cov-2 is seasonal, like all the other respiratory viruses, and that these warm conditions are going to save most of the Northern Hemisphere from nasty epidemic conditions (until later this year).

So, if viral seasonality is real, warmer temperatures will lead to less misery and death.

Reply to  Grant
March 4, 2020 8:23 pm

Greta has to see COVID-19 as a positive development to curb CO2; so many nasty CO2-exhaling humans eliminated from the here and now.

Any sane greenie* has to be cheering on the virus.

*”sane greenie”… seems I might have painted myself into a corner with that one.

Hartog van den Berg
Reply to  H.R.
March 4, 2020 8:29 pm

She counts on the corona virus to make sure it all ends in 12 years.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Grant
March 4, 2020 11:08 pm

It stole her dreams!

March 4, 2020 7:28 pm

Farmers are an example of a group of people who really do remove CO2 out of the atmosphere and leave it in their agricultural produce. Farmers do care about the weather and the climate as it means real money to them.
Today, the average Australian or U.S. farmer feeds over 150 people. In 1960, the figure was just 25 people. Currently, a farmer grows 6 times more food than in 1960 and uses less land, less fuel and energy, and less water (thanks in part to extra CO2). Please thank the farmers.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 4, 2020 7:55 pm

If that was in reference to my comment nicholas, I totally agree and that’s why I used the parrot-meme “climate” instead of the actual real word that normal humans use – climate.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 4, 2020 7:56 pm

Hear, hear!!

Hartog van den Berg
March 4, 2020 7:32 pm

Has anybody explained how ‘climate neutral’ works? I thought the deal was ‘carbon neutral’. With climate changing constantly one would have to keep up those changes to maintain ‘neutrality’

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Hartog van den Berg
March 5, 2020 4:23 am

Isn’t it obvious? We all have to stop emitting climate RIGHT NOW!! Not only that, but we need to remove the excess climate from the atmosphere. Greta has spoken.

March 4, 2020 7:40 pm

Uber “pro climate” French president(*) just made one reactor of the Fessenheim plant (one of the best run, safest French nuclear power plant) shut off. The plant was very recently upgraded with the (precautionary, probably useless) “core collectors”.

On Twitter, the sub-minister of green stuff, Brune Poirson, was very satisfied, for some reason. On Twitter people asked her why. She obviously never explained her comment (if she even really owns and reads her own Twitter account, and not her staff).

And they say we don’t have enough money for “infrastructure projects” (not even enough to keep secondary roads in acceptable condition), but we have enough to indemnify Electricité de France for two early reactor closures.

(*) elected with the help of illegal funds (his trip in the US which launch his campaign was illegally funded), collusion, cheating by the media regulator, abuse of “equal speech time” (notably of fact checkers: you don’t need speech time when 99.99% of the media is rooting for you), flagrant justice interference against his opponent and for one of his allies, and probably with foreign funds collected via mysterious individual donors aka mules

Tom Abbott
Reply to  niceguy
March 5, 2020 5:52 am

It seems the Elites have the same kind of monpolistic setup in all the Western Democracies. Their chief means of power is controlling the national news media. Without controlling the message, these Elites (leftwing) wouldn’t have a chance of ruling. But they control the “truth” and fool a lot of people into voting against their own best interests.

March 4, 2020 7:52 pm

Imagine a dystopian future in 2040 and President Greta Thunberg is head of the EU, and all these policies are put into effect under her new signature policy called the Retroactivity Act, and everyone has to account for their ‘Carbon Crimes’ since 2020. Those who exceed any net neutral carbon emissions have to pay with their life, or indentured servitude for life to the State as some sort of tax slave.

What we really need to worry about is what might come out of left field, and I really mean litterally left field. This is why it so important to not allow the disease of Marxism to take root in the USA via the Democrat party in the upcoming USA election with climate policy being the excuse for loss of liberty. The demographics of voters show that reality is eventually possible to make that a reality, but it would be really important to have 4 more years of Donald Trump to sort out some of the mess between now and 2024, including appointing 1-2 more judges to the Supreme Court and countless more to the lower courts. This is the only hope to ensure this infectious disease of State Socialism doesn’t take deep root. Just look how fast Canada has descended down this path with supposed liberalism and the abandonment of the rule of law and the deliberate destruction of much of their economy, which is yet to show up in the economic numbers.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Earthling2
March 5, 2020 5:25 am

Greta won’t be president of anything except maybe a Eurotrash homeless-vagrant camp by 2040, of which their will be ten of thousands as Leftists turn Europe into a fuedal socity of Lords and peasant class. Greta is too stupid and she’s not going to be able to attend any Elitist producing university since she’s skipped primary schooling to be their little talking head puppet. In a few years or less, She’ll be tossed aside like a bad child actor gets tossed aside by Hollywood once they are no longer serving their purpose.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 5, 2020 9:00 am

Well, I did say you had to use your imagination, and it would make for a good (bad) horror movie. Who would have thought 18 months ago that that some 16 year old girl who didn’t even look like a normal teenager, to keep it polite, would be giving lectures to the UN, the EU and numerous heads of states. By invitation…or on tour; this is what makes it look so bizarre. Of course it is all staged and manipulated, and she can remember her lines, and even sort of deliver them well as she is coached by her actor family. She has millions of kids frightened out of their wits. I sure hope we can turn this train wreck around about CO2 being pollution causing some future runaway CAGW warming, otherwise we will have a dystopian future just from the fallout of bad public policy.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Earthling2
March 5, 2020 5:59 am

“but it would be really important to have 4 more years of Donald Trump to sort out some of the mess between now and 2024”

Of course, all the news in this primary process is about the Democrats and what they are doing, but in the meantime, President Trump is also running in Republican primaries in the States, and Trump is getting record numbers of voters turning out for him, even though he is unopposed in many States. Trump is getting two and three times the numbers of voters that came out in 2016. The Democrats had a record turnout in South Carolina but Trump’s numbers are dwarfing the Democrats.

You won’t be surprised to learn that there is virtually no reporting on Trump’s numbers in the Leftwing Media.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 5, 2020 9:54 am

I hadn’t even realized that was was such a significant issue, but I did listen to the entire TV/telephone interview that Sean Hannity did with President Trump last night, and DJT actually brought it up as did Sean, but I haven’t heard this fact anywhere in any news, except last night on the FOX interview with the President and here by you. I thought DJT did a great interview and is really sounding like a Commander In Chief. I think the time has come that world needs a stable calm leader to talk us through potentially turbulent times coming up, either with the economic downturn and/or the actual COVID-19 crisis, which may not be much of an actual crisis except for me (and other vulnerable folk) if I catch this at my age and health. That will remain to be seen, but keeping everyone calm in any event should be the #1 goal right now and he is delivering on that front. At least in my opinion, if anyone is actually listening to what DJT is saying.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Earthling2
March 5, 2020 2:17 pm

Here’s a link to the only news article I have seen about Trump’s primary success:

“While the media and many Americans naturally focused on the five-car pileup that was the Democrat side of Super Tuesday, few noticed what was cruising past that traffic jam: the Trump Train.

Almost every week, we are treated to tens of thousands of people lining up for hours, taking time off from work and braving the elements to attend a Trump rally. But now the world can also see that he is translating that energy into votes — and the numbers are astonishing.

In state after state on Super Tuesday, people turned out in record numbers to vote for President Donald J. Trump in Republican primaries that weren’t even contested. Think about that statement for a moment — in an era when voter apathy has been on the rise and turnout has been on the decline, record numbers stood in line to cast a ballot for the President in a race he had already won.”

end excerpt

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Earthling2
March 5, 2020 2:21 pm

Trump will be having a town hall meeting on Fox News Channel this evening at 530pm US CST. About an hour from now.

March 4, 2020 7:53 pm

If Greta ever gets married, I pity the pain she will inflict on her husband.

Reply to  littlepeaks
March 4, 2020 8:31 pm

husband? how undiverse, how dare you!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  yarpos
March 4, 2020 10:41 pm

She won’t marry, that’s such an outdated concept. She will cohabitate with an androgynous, gender-neutral…thing…named Pat.

shortus cynicus
Reply to  littlepeaks
March 4, 2020 11:27 pm

Girls in enriched countries don’t need to marry anymore, the get enough sex on any street corner for free.

March 4, 2020 8:00 pm

In a decade when she is 26/27 I wonder if she will realize that she was just a tool being exploited? The whole process of leaving a cult (and yes that is what climate catastrophism is) is gut wrenching and horrifying. When nothing gets done and nothing bad happens what will she do?

Her shtick is already tired beyond words.

Dennis G. Sandberg
March 4, 2020 8:05 pm

Frightening to see that crazies are as common in the EU and UK as they are in the USA. Anyone that suggests that an industrial nation can be carbon neutral EVER without nuclear is willfully uninformed and or “untruthful”. This ignorance and corruption does not bode well for future generations. A couple hundred ppm CO2 increase and a few tenths degree of warming by 2050 is nothing compared to the economic havoc that even 50% carbon neutral would bring.

Flight Level
March 4, 2020 8:09 pm

Hey, hold short there. Is it me, I mean, am I having hallucinations ?

A challenged kid, even more a school drop-out dictates EU/World policies now ?

Wake-up, breathe some oxygen, take vitamins, it’s more then time for a reality check out there.

Climate robbery reaches peak values and no one with a sane mind seems to care?

That’s not a happy end tale unfolding there. Unrest and civil wars, is that all to do about? The way it goes, it’s unavoidably in the pipeline.

March 4, 2020 8:29 pm

Lets face it. Nothing anyone does will ever be good enough. If it ever was, her and her entourage will be off the gravy train.

J Mac
March 4, 2020 8:32 pm

We’ll never forget you, Gretel….

Reply to  J Mac
March 5, 2020 1:47 am

Indeed, the brothers Grimm were well named. We need, and are probably going to get (metaphorically speaking) a sequel with “boiling oceans” Hansel and “how dare you “Gretel, where the cannibalistic witch wins.

The irony, of course, being that the original was an allegory of LIA cold and famine and its ramifications (throwing your own kids out into the woods to fend for themselves).

March 4, 2020 8:52 pm

When we come out the other side of nCoV, and assuming a substantial toll, I predict the world will have little time for either this obnoxious brat, nor the rest of the neo puritan rabble.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Fanakapan
March 4, 2020 10:43 pm

Someone will convincingly (to stupid people) blame it on human-caused climate change, and fuel the fervor even more.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 5, 2020 3:36 am

Its a point, the tragedies of humanity have in the past led to an upsurge in ridiculous cults and revivals. I take comfort from the fact that ‘The Left’ have lately become so unhinged that they have forgotten which end of the cart the horse goes to, so its entirely likely that we will see the revival preceding the trauma.

John Robertson
March 4, 2020 9:05 pm

What poor Greta is wising up?
Everything about the “Climate Crisis” is a sham and a fraud.
Wonder how long it will take her to figure it out?
For although she is deemed somewhat brain damaged,even she might recognize truth eventually.
The Cult of Calamitous Climate are their own most effective critics and exposers.
Being crazed beyond parody,everything they do exposes their deceit,stupidity and willful blindness.
It ain’t easy being green,Gang Green being terminal unless treated promptly.

I very much want to see gang Green get what they want for us.
I really feel justice demands they get what they are demanding.
With no way out.
They want to put all who question their “wisdom”into reeducation camps,jail or condemn us to silence.I want to see them live the dream.
Whatever this “Carbon Free” “Fossil Fuel Free” lifestyle,I want them forced into demonstrating it.
They attacked us,we were doing fine,never better off and getting better every year.
Cheap reliable energy was freeing the worlds poor.
They jammed their sticks into the wheel,hectored abused and shrieked at the rest of us;”You are killing our future”.
Yet all they have accomplished is to stop the development of the “Third world” condemning millions to perpetual poverty,because the funds we were using to that purpose have been diverted and squandered on useless green energy virtue posturing.

Gang Green has enriched themselves using public hysteria.
Damaging everyone else.

Retribution is in order.

High Treason
March 4, 2020 9:12 pm

Greta turns 18 in 9 months and 29 days. Then, the pipsqueak will be 18 and the bratty, uneducated,tantrum chucking fib teller will no longer be able to hide under the protection of being a child . She will cease to be the Child High Priestess of the Climate Cult of Doom and Gloom. She will just revert to being an arrogant spoiled brat that did not bother to attend school.
Why anyone would listen to this puppet let alone implement her ravings as policy beggars belief. A rapid rejection of the fossil fuels that lift billions out of poverty by the energy doing the work of hundreds of people will hurtle us back to the stone age rapidly. Slight teeney-weeney problem- the planet supported around 7 million humans rather than 7 billion humans in the neolithic period. Thus, 99.9% of us will not survive. Anyone that has computer skills will NOT be one of those one in a thousand that could survive. Inner city trendies will have absolutely no hope, what with their marshmallow soft attitudes. They will become a communal dinner. How commune-ist.
As for Greta, she will have to be put on suicide watch after her 18th birthday when she is deemed to be an adult. I could see her being martyred for the cause with or without her consent.
Perhaps WUWT needs a Greta countdown of the days until the pipsqueak becomes fair game and her tantrums become unacceptable.

Ian Coleman
March 4, 2020 9:25 pm

Check out Greta’s mom’s account of Greta’s mental health problems and, if it is really true, Greta Thunberg is an extremely vulnerable girl. What I can never understand is how Greta’s severe social handicaps have been successfully sold as evidence that she has a special wisdom the rest of us lack. Asperger Syndrome is not a superpower; it is an incapacity to understand the feelings and reactions of other people.

The gist of Greta’s problems when she was eleven (according to her mom) is that she was universally disliked by all her same-age peers. In my experience, people who are widely unpopular are also essentially immoral. What happens is, since they can’t make friends, they jettison any attempts to make friends, and behave with complete disregard for the needs of other people. A due consideration for other people’s needs is in fact the foundation of social morality.

I may now be drifting over into a thought which might get my post rejected, but Mother Theresa of Calcutta, whom everyone professed to admire, was a profoundly unhappy woman who didn’t seem to have any friends. Not one of the people who wrote in praise of her at her death claimed to have actually liked her as a person. I suspect (not knowing her, of course) that her kindness to the poor and the sick was overshadowed by an angry resentment of the wealthy and healthy, and that she had very little tolerance for other people’s happiness. And I see a lot of that in Greta Thunberg. Notice, for example, that Greta has an aggressive hair-shirt rejection of sensual pleasure. I don’t trust people who can’t enjoy themselves, and then make that into a virtue.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Ian Coleman
March 4, 2020 10:20 pm

She was actually quite a nasty person. She wasn’t interested in helping the poor which she became famous for. All she was interested in was convincing as many people to sign up to God and the biggest, wealthiest, gang on the planet, The Catholic Church.

mario lento
March 4, 2020 9:33 pm

“all those EU hypocrites who hyped the Greta phenomenon, who hoped to use her as a green smokescreen, are currently having a very uncomfortable time.”

That is the Left’s worst nightmare. They created the petard which they have foisted themselves… look at Bernie vs Biden. Really? All Left made and they can’t stop it!

March 4, 2020 10:08 pm

“Thunberg said the European Union’s new Green Deal is a total sham. Greta Thunberg brands EU’s new climate law as surrender”

I don’t think we can have it both ways. If she is a child being used and not a credible source of agw climate change information then that evaluation also applies to the things she says that we happen to like.

March 4, 2020 10:09 pm

There are signs that sanity is quietly creeping back. The UK Somerset Levels, which had until 2014 been deliberately left undrained in order to create a wetland habitat for wading birds, didn’t get flooded this year, despite “the wettest February since records began”. Drain the swamp!

Rod Evans
March 4, 2020 10:46 pm

You can never placate or satisfy the demands of the Constantly Offended Green Socialists (COGS).
It is a bit like an ugly competition. When the real ugly are put on stage the just plain ugly, look OK, Greta actually makes AOC seem rational!! That is a scary prospect. Keep it in mind for the 2024 Presidential Election. By then AOC will be eligible to enter, I just hope, the Republicans have developed their candidate sufficiently to ensure they win. If not the future for the USA and the rest of us, doesn’t bear thinking about.

March 4, 2020 11:25 pm

The EU parliament is the real sham. Not nice here anymore.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Josie
March 5, 2020 12:53 am

They don’t matter as they don’t have the real power. It’s the EU Commission that’s the real worry.

March 4, 2020 11:35 pm

Greta is right when she says that the EU setting a 2050 climate goal or even a 2030 climate goal is meaningless.
Of course it’s meaningless. It’s just virtue signalling. They know it can’t be done, it’s just a smokescreen for implementing the socialist dictatorial regime. She still doesn’t get it.

Zig Zag Wanderer
March 4, 2020 11:35 pm

I wondered why so many comments were shown in the top thread, as opposed to below the comment they referred to. I’ve just changed browsers, and now it happens to me. It makes it a bit pointless to comment.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
March 5, 2020 1:14 am

OK, maybe not. The screen after posting is just misleading.

March 5, 2020 1:07 am

This is probably way above poor Greta’s head, but with the green-clad lock-stepping of Leyen’s EU Commission, Lagard’s ECB, now also BoJo’s green Brexit betrayal, all marching to B-of-England’s Mark Carney’s green UN finance drum-roll, people are missing the role of Carney’s (and BoJo’s ) City of London.

The one fly in this green ointment, is President Trump. When he meets Putin, and Xi Jinping, to discuss global finance, especially if and when there is a major crash, the City’s role is over.

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 5, 2020 1:34 am

It just goes to show that in an argument both sides can be utterly wrong.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
March 5, 2020 3:47 am

After a vicious argument, both are still standing only because each comatose props the other up.
The great achievement is they swapped jackets!
That is a story somewhere I just cannot find right now….

March 5, 2020 3:45 am

So, one more attempt to advertise a proposal already departed from reality as “moderate” via unleashing someone who will push for even more insane things. Never seen THAT coming. *yawn*
You still aren’t bored of these kindergarten level tricks?

Reply to  TBeholder
March 5, 2020 5:00 am

I’m certainly bored of the Swedish brat.

Craig Rogers
March 5, 2020 4:51 am

OAN Puts the green new deal in its proper place.

Harry Passfield
March 5, 2020 5:19 am

I saw her on BBC news as she addressed her adoring teeny-bopper fans. She has adopted to wear a yellow anorak. It’s an irony that she has become a ‘Gilet Jaune’.

March 5, 2020 6:31 am

Peak Climate Crusades has arrived. Did you miss it?

It was when Christine Lagarde made a public speech in London last Thursday, Ms. Lagarde spoke at length about climate change but didn’t mention the coronavirus at all.

“Clearly it was a disappointment,” said Frederik Ducrozet, an economist with Pictet Wealth Management in Geneva.

March 5, 2020 6:54 am

I thought she was busy counting money after she turned herself into a trademark? Does she still have time to talk about stuff she doesn’t understand and which she is fed by her handlers (rich investors and greenwashing companies)?

Tom Abbott
March 5, 2020 6:55 am

You can understand why Greta is upset. The EU is saying the problem will be fixed by 2050, but Greta thinks she only has about 11 more years on this planet. Greta wants the problem fixed now.

March 5, 2020 7:55 am

didn’t read every comment (yet) so apologize if already mentioned; but she looks very unhealthy compared to even a few months ago.
I’m not going to lie and say I hope she is ok but I will say I hope others that care for her (family/friends/handlers/etc) notice and help her.
thats the best I can/will do.

Reply to  dmacleo
March 5, 2020 9:38 pm

Rapidly advancing adulthood has probably added Anorexia to her list of psychological problems. I’m sure she’s clever enough to realise that the transition from awkward looking ‘Child’ to odd looking adult wont have a positive PR impact ?

Steve Z
March 5, 2020 9:29 am

The European Commission is getting a reality check, something which hasn’t occurred to little Greta yet because she hasn’t learned about reality in school, since she’s been playing hooky too long.

The European Commission can set lofty goals of trying to use energy more efficiently, and develop alternative energy sources, but they know all such things take time and money to develop, and won’t happen overnight. In the meantime, Europeans will need to drive cars or ride buses or trains to work, heat their homes, run their electrical appliances, move products to market, all of which will require burning fossil fuels. In addition, their businesses have to compete with others outside of Europe, and too many draconian regulations will induce businesses to move out of Europe.

So the Commission sets these lofty goals to be achieved by 2050, but they try to effect a slow transition so that nobody will be hurt too badly in the short term, in order to avoid popular revolt. And if a few deadlines slip, well maybe the climate won’t really warm as much as everyone feared (that has been the case over the last 40 years), and the Commissioners will pat themselves on the back for avoiding a catastrophe and retire in luxury on a tropical island far from the crowded cities.

Of course, Greta doesn’t have the patience for such stalling, but since she’s only 17 years old, she will probably outlive her predicted apocalypse and wonder in her later years what all the fuss was about, when the world produces more food than in her youth, and all her beloved coastal cities haven’t been flooded yet, and it still snows in Sweden every winter.

March 5, 2020 10:00 am

This is a good recent interview with Naomi Seibt . . .
She thinks for herself, has common sense, and disagrees with climate alarmism.
Too bad she doesn’t get more attention from the main stream media like Greta does:


John Endicott
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
March 6, 2020 7:48 am

This is a good recent interview with Naomi Seibt . . . Too bad she doesn’t get more attention from the main stream media like Greta does

Well, I think you’ve already explained why she doesn’t: “She thinks for herself, has common sense, and disagrees with climate alarmism.”

Reply to  John Endicott
March 6, 2020 10:09 am

Good answer !


Rudolf Huber
March 5, 2020 1:34 pm

The EU law tries to bridge the unbridgeable. Politicians are aware that we need some basis for living. Passing laws that would put a smile on Gretas face would mean the end of a life that’s worth living in all of Europe. But those same politicians don’t want to confront those protesters and Climate Alarmists head-on as they far the debate. So they fudge the issue. The loser is Europe’s people. They have to pay for this sham and don’t get the benefit. Greta’s rules would have the benefit to show to people where this leads and give them an opportunity to make up their minds. Let’s have a pilot region – I suggest Sweden. Go full Greta and we watch how you do.

David Wojick
March 5, 2020 1:36 pm

Greta versus the EU, like Greta versus the UN last September. The civil war between moderates and radicals continues to tear alarmism apart. See my

I predict COP 26 in Glasgow will collapse, just as COP 25 in Madrid did. Woohoo!

Here is a perfect example of the war between radical and moderate alarmists:

Also the Democtat presidential contest is now between Bernie the radical and Biden the moderate. The Biden surge was caused by Bernie boasting about his grand plans, and taxes. The louder the radicals get the more the public backs away.

March 5, 2020 3:43 pm

She, Greta, is not even wrong;
brilliant… actually, very much so.
Same as AOC and the GND proposition…
Really hilarious… hilariously brilliant.

Oh, well, very well…
if lacking the understanding of the AOC – GND brilliance, no chance whatsoever of even slightly understanding Greta, regardless of all else mess out there.

Could very well be just an accidental brilliance or an accidental excellent act,
or maybe simply intentional, and/or maybe a well or a very well designed one, but never the less in the end of the day still it will consist as it been at the very least as brilliant as it propagates.

AOC-GND schist, happens to be too good and too brilliant, in it’s freaking fracking stand and proposition.
Really really a “very very bad ass schist”… really really hilarious, as per the merit of the outcome and the actual indisputable achievement there… beautiful in the whole,
too beautiful actually. 🙂

Oh well, yes, you do not have to take my word for it, but still you do have to get to try a better understanding of this whole complex affair.


Gunga Din
Reply to  whiten
March 5, 2020 5:18 pm

Dr. Frankenstein was brilliant.
But who’d want to be a “part” of what he produced?

Grady Patterson
March 5, 2020 4:11 pm

Until Greta goes to China, India, and Russia, her words to the EU are just as hypocritical as she accuses the EU governments of being. Of course, the EU won’t put her in jail like China or Russia might …

March 5, 2020 6:17 pm

Why pay any attention to this nasty little twerp?

March 5, 2020 6:17 pm

Why pay any attention to this nasty little twerp?

William Haas
March 5, 2020 8:05 pm

The climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. Any reduction in CO2 emissions will have not effect on climate.

March 6, 2020 5:13 pm

Like Australia’s fire-starters, Greta’s rallies like this one in Bristol, UK, are a self-fulfilling prophecy of environmental ruin:

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