Queensland Senator Malcolm Roberts of Australia recently gave this speech on the floor of Parliament, because Dr. Mann is in Australia (on sabbatical) making some pretty outlandish claims:
Australia’s Wildfire Catastrophe Isn’t the “New Normal.” It’s Much Worse Than That.
“These are the things that keep us up at night as climate scientists,” says Michael Mann.
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2020/01/michael-mann-australias-wildfires-podcast-climate-change/
Meanwhile: this graph prepared by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg ruins Dr. Mann’s claim of “new normal”.
Senator Roberts would have none of it:
Transcript:
“How dare you, Michael Mann. I used tonight’s adjournment speech to challenge Michael Mann to a debate on climate science. Michael Mann is the fabricator of the completely discredited hockey stick temperature graph and is in Australia at the moment so logistics shouldn’t be a problem.
You come down here pretending you have evidence that CO2 from HUMAN activity affects climate and needs to be cut – when you have no such evidence. How do I know? Easy. You released papers that led to the infamous hockey-stick graph falsely fabricating high temperatures. Despite repeated requests from scientists you refused to hand over your data.
No evidence.
Scientifically, your claims should’ve been immediately dismissed. The state of Virginia’s Attorney General asked for your data from the University of Virginia because your research was reportedly taxpayer funded. Your Uni refused. No evidence. You sued Prof Tim Ball – a real scientist – and then in court refused to provide evidence to support your case.
No evidence.
Didn’t the court find you in contempt?
Regardless, your claim was dismissed. And you failed to provide any evidence yet Prof Ball’s team provided plenty of solid statements from internationally reputable scientists. You are the one in the Climategate scandals who wanted to hide the temperature decline, aren’t you?
Hide the evidence?
You have sued any person that dared to question you – to shut them down. To stop the evidence?
You now say Senator Molan as a policymaker should ask some unnamed great Australian scientists for their opinion – name any with evidence proving HUMAN CO2 affects climate variability.
After 21 years you still have not released data for your hockey stick graph fabricating high temps yet many people have debunked it.
My understanding is that fraud can include the presentation of something that is not true with the intention of personal gain. You claim you were awarded a Nobel Prize.
That is false.
You contributed to the UN’s climate body the IPCC that was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. Note that was not for science. After the UN IPCC was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize it dropped your graph. And if that shonky political body dropped it that really kills your credibility.
You have a record of serially misrepresenting climate, serially misrepresenting science and serially misrepresenting humanity. The use of HC fuels such as gas, coal and oil has liberated humanity and saved the forests and whales that previously fuelled civilisation & Human Progress.
Your advocacy to stop their use is anti-human and anti-environment. It hurts our security and our sovereignty. Your host, the ABC, has been a blind supporter of and advocate for others misrepresenting climate and science – including Al Gore, Rajendra Pachauri, Gavin Schmidt.
People advocating for cutting hydrocarbon fuels have branded those who dissent from your advocacy as climate criminals. I believe that in the very near future it is people like you who misrepresent science and climate who the public will see as climate criminals.
None of you have ever presented the empirical evidence proving HUMAN production of CO2 from our use of HC fuels hurts our environment and future. You’re here in Australia now so I challenge you to a public debate on climate science and the corruption of climate science.
All you need do is provide me with the specific location of the empirical scientific evidence, the hard validated data, within a logical scientific framework that proves cause and effect and I will retract this speech.
I need publication title, specific page numbers. No entity anywhere in the world has provided this: Don’t bother to smear me or get someone to smear me. That not only has no effect on me, I love it. I use it to prove that those who smear only do so because they lack hard scientific evidence.
How dare you Michael Mann. Provide the evidence.”
Josh has his rendition of Manntastic evidence:
Josh draws these satirical cartoons for free, so if you are so inclined, please buy him a pint here.
I love this guy!
I am not a psychologist and am making no diagnosis in this comment. But here are the signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) according to the website linked below.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder/
Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:
–Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
–Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
–Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
–Requires excessive admiration
–Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
–Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
–Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
–Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
–Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Wikipedia states the NPD and egomania share some symptoms, but the two differ in the way the individual reacts toward others…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egomania
With all of this said, I will leave it to the reader to decide.
You have just presented the blue print they used to make John Bercow!!
NOW THAT isn’t a very nice thing to intone about Dr Mann. And the Mann is sue happy so Careful…
Privileged: spoken in Parliament.
I don’t think Mann is going to go there again ……
…. and Steyn isn’t even over with him yet. I have visions of a wolf thrashing a carcass around on that one.
Although NDP may align a bit with GT and MM, I think you are putting them in a too narrow cage. MM is just a well educated fanatic and pedant. GT is just a somewhat immature poorly educated teen.
By the way, my neighbor tells me GT is currently in Lapland, telling the people there, close to the North Pole, they must start living the way the prehistoric natives lived – no more snow scooters, only use Rudolf with the red nose as transport, etc. I never see Swedish national TV, so not exactly sure of her exact wording.
Greta Thunberg visits Lapland –
https://www.google.com/search?q=Greta+Thunberg+reindeers&oq=Greta+Thunberg+reindeers&aqs=chrome.
“Requires excessive admiration”
Huh, reminds me of a lot of football players I see. Some of them require admiration after every play, even when they are three touchdowns behind. If they make a tackle they jump up and act like they just made the greatest play in football history. Yeah, but you’re still losing the game, fella. Perhaps your celebrations are distracting you from doing your best.
But I don’t think we have mass Narcissistic Personality Disorder going on during the football game, although there is some of that, but it’s mainly just “follow the leader”. Everybody want to be cool and that’s how you do it on the football field.
I wonder how much time football players waste working up their “excessive admiration” routines? I’ll bet it amounts to quite a lot. A lot of thinking has to go into it and they have to get all their moves down pat. I guess I wouldn’t qualify as a football player nowadays because I wouldn’t take part in such antics, so I guess I would be a social outcast.
A little celebration is alright but it’s getting to the point of ridiculousness. To the point of being tiresome and off-putting. At least, imo. And that applies to the players on my favorite teams, too. I think they ought to focus on the game more, and less on themselves and their attempts at public recongition. If you are good enough, you will be recognized. If you are not good enough, no amount of exaggerated celebration will make you better.
Mann has a commentary piece, about the Aus wildfires, in The Guardian.
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I enjoy taking climate deniers to task but here’s the question Q&A should have answered (By Michael Mann)
A fact-based discussion about the crisis and prospects for addressing it would serve ABC viewers better
I was excited when the ABC asked me to be a panellist on a special bushfires edition of Q&A, the season opener for the Monday night program here in Australia.
But as the event grew nearer trepidation grew as well. Foreshadowing the trouble that might lie ahead, the ABC had to move the event not once but twice, from the initial site of Bega on the south coast, because of imminent fire danger.
Read the rest at:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/i-enjoy-taking-climate-deniers-to-task-but-heres-the-question-qa-should-have-answered
I didn’t notice if WWT caught this recent headline from Davos. Surely all ‘skeptics’ who find alarmists running from debate ought to regularly invoke Merkel’s request. [MERKEL URGES DIALOGUE BETWEEN SKEPTICS AND BELIEVERS TO TACKLE CLIMATE CHANGE.] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-merkel/merkel-urges-dialogue-between-skeptics-and-believers-to-tackle-climate-change-idUSKBN1ZM1ZY
Mark, read Merkel’s request:
[MERKEL URGES DIALOGUE BETWEEN SKEPTICS AND BELIEVERS TO TACKLE CLIMATE CHANGE.]
as “Merkel urges dialogue between the 2 religions “scepticism” and “climate scientology” to prevent a clash of religions / civilisations.”
That leads to conclusions what Merkel thinks about “climate science” – a mere religion: nothing to understand here.
Why look a gift horse in the mouth? To acknowledge that skepticism exists and should be heard is a big step away from the usual ‘cancelling’.
The cancelling steps up to “commencement” –
https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+merkel+commencement+speech&oq=harvard+Merkel+&aqs=chrome.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Merkel+Ehrendoktor&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=niv&sxsrf=ALeKk02OLUY7dmdeH1TBHS4d7mvac3WC3Q:1582244710419&lr=lang_en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjR3KXvsOHnAhUOT8AKHSKHCzAQuAF6BAgLEAI&biw=360&bih=518
https://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article194568925/Ehrendoktor-fuer-Merkel-In-Harvard-sind-sie-auch-nicht-ganz-doof.html
Merkel should know better. She studied chemistry and worked as laboratory assistant:
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&sxsrf=ALeKk03GRZws-sgNtx560dDU0SdzHu4gLg%3A1582245835518&ei=yydPXs6ZH-G58gLq17X4Bw&q=Merkel+studied+chemistry++laboratory+assistant&oq=Merkel+studied+chemistry++laboratory+assistant&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.
She started as Environment Minister and did a study “Leukaemia near nuklear power plants”:
The study resulted in statistical noise.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-huawei&sxsrf=ALeKk013Ea8hzzb9el492EFTRUHACjBmHA%3A1582246600951&ei=yCpPXv7eOdPWgQaZpKqABQ&q=Merkel+Environment+Minister+Leukaemia+study&oq=Merkel+Environment+Minister+Leukaemia+study&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.
Await a biography “how to get Chancellor”.
I’d prefer Grillparzer – woe to him who’s lying:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Grillparzer+woe+to+him+who+lies&oq=Grillparzer+woe+to+him+who+lies&aqs=chrome.
You miss my point, which has nothing to do with Merkel per se. It’s just good to see the existence of skeptics, and their right to be heard, acknowledged.
AGW propaganda is a revolutionary political movement with its leaders seeing themselves in the image of their unspoken idol
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/AGWs.htm
BTW this Mann donkey is the go to man for the DEMs every time they are looking for a scientist (?????) to decipher their CAGW for them.
What does this say about the DEM fools if this clown is their popular choice? Think about it?
And if he was so sure of his evidence or data why didn’t he have the guts to take on Dr Ball? Instead he threw in the towel, perhaps Steyn has some very fertile ground to peg out whenever the case proceeds?
Bravo!
On the Australian bushfires, here is the link to the Stretton 1939 Black Friday Royal Commission Report-
https://history.cass.anu.edu.au/news/black-friday-bushfires-and-beginning-stretton-royal-commission-january-1939
As the Head of History at ANU commented it is “a masterpiece”of writing and historical record.
It forever buries the false claim that this summer’s bushfires are ‘unprecedented’, and Michael Mann’s propaganda with it.
Nick Stokes will be along in a moment to tell you this is all wrong.
That’s a good link Herbert. Next time someone uses the word ‘unprecedented’ I’ll refer them to it.
This was wildly reported in the Australian media…oh wait!
The ideal opportunity for our government to be updated on “the science” of the hoax.
A problem is Malcolm Roberts isn’t a great debater in person. Jo Nova or Rita Panahi, would be the go.
The BBC TV programme ‘Climate Change – the Facts’ further wrecked David Attenborough ‘s reputation and paraded Michael Mann in a transparent Climategste whitewash. He is still A Disgrace to the Profession iaw Mark Steyn’s 100 world class scientists
I once had the audacity to send Dr Mann a private email as to why he failed to give the courts access to his data. He then publicly printed my mail on his blog sites saying that he has “outed another troll” and then he contacted the company that I worked and put pressure on them to question my actions, I suppose he was hoping that I would get sacked. He really is a piece of work.
Here is his contempt for the courts who haven’t seen it: http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/07/05/fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/
Nobody takes Malcolm Roberts seriously- he’s a nutcase. Hilarious seeing him humiliated on Q&A a year ago by Brian Cox.
By the way Anthony, are you *seriously* suggesting that more area of Australia was burned by bushfires in previous years? This is why nobody important takes you seriously.
Brian Cox is the climate alarmist poster boy of the BBC, no one who has studied physics takes him seriously. He should have stuck to playing in a band but I guess he saw there was more money to be made in spreading propaganda.
Steve, you’re obviously easily impressed by theatrics if you think Cox “humiliated” anyone.
And Anthony doesn’t say it, the data does. (Or don’t you like facts?
The data doesn’t say it. That’s the point.
CD in Wisconsin, you have nailed it perfectly. I have commented on WUWT a few times about Michael Mann’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), as evidenced by the incident in which he called the supervisor of the NJ NOAA/NWS WFO to complain about an employee’s Area Forecast Discussion, in which the employee jokingly referred to termites. Mann wanted to insure that this kind of ridicule of AGW would not happen again. This was micromanagement of his “realm” and a perceived slight to his expertise, and his completely irrational reaction underscores the severity of his symptoms. Charles H’s unfortunate run-in with Michael Mann is another tip-off of his significant psychological disability. Of course, Michael Mann talking to that WFO supervisor was an example of two like personalities, so who knows how that conversation went! Narcissists are certain that they, and only they, are right, and everyone else is wrong; and, if anyone disagrees with them, the person who disagrees becomes the enemy. In fact, the aforementioned supervisor said that very thing in a meeting: “I’m right, and you all are wrong. If you want to know what’s wrong with this office, just look in a mirror.”
If I were waging a lawsuit against Michael Mann, I would definitely want the input of a mental health professional who was highly experienced in NPD. Unfortunately, diagnosing those afflicted with NPD is difficult, as one must have a fairly long period of time to observe the person and his or her behavior, actions, and reactions, Also, most narcissists are very clever and can hide their symptoms by explaining that it’s always THE OTHER person who’s at fault. There is no question in my mind that Michael Mann suffers acutely from NPD, and the world is much worse off because of that.
Wow! I would vote for this legislator for anything, including president of the U.S. even if he is an Australian. What a great speech. I only wish we had people like that in office here.
He held his own in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmZsSV_k8vs