Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The virulent climate rhetoric in Australia just stepped up a notch, with senior opposition MP Tony Burke comparing “climate deniers” to people who dispute the value of medical vaccines.
Climate deniers like anti-vaxxers: Labor
Opposition environment spokesman Tony Burke has likened climate change deniers to anti-vaxxers.
Arguing against the science of climate change is similar to not accepting the merit of vaccinations, a senior federal Labor MP says.
Tony Burke, a former sustainability and environment minister, says the Morrison government’s climate policies continue to be watered down by a handful of MPs who don’t believe in climate change.
“Their arguments are not that different to the anti-vaxxers, in terms of saying: ‘I don’t care what the science says, I have this particular view and I’m just going to say we shouldn’t adopt a policy’,” Mr Burke told Sky News on Thursday.
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Mr Burke says he recited some of the warnings to parliament in 2008, but it was labelled as a scare campaign.
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Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, who was rolled from the top job due to internal disputes in the coalition party room over climate change, has again entered the debate and stirred the pot.
Writing for US publication Time Magazine, Mr Turnbull says the “wicked self-destructive idiocy of climate denialism must stop”.
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Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6583870/climate-deniers-like-anti-vaxxers-labor/
For all his vicious rhetoric, Tony Burke seems more interested in scoring points than actually reducing CO2 emissions. Burke led Labor’s knee-jerk rejection of affordable zero carbon nuclear power when it was briefly tabled as a possibility by Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
Australia has around 23% of the world’s known Uranium reserves.
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a right berk
It’s just the opposite, silly man! Climate alarmists tend to be anti-vaxxers based on fear and flawed science!
At least vaccines are shown to work. None of the prescribed remedies by the CAGW crowd pass that test.
Actually many vaccines were proved to be useless after years of use.
But you feel better by despising “antivaxxers” (which almost don’t exist) and repeating the vaxxer’s mantra. Vaxxer chief priests often have medical degrees and extreme negative knowledge of medical science.
Right.
Tony Burke is a typical low life Labor piece of Sh!t, a complete scumbag. I look forward to the day when filth like him will rot in prison.
Well, since it’s the FORMER-vaxxers (most every anti-vaxxer used to vax until one of their children was injured/killed) who are informed, I’m perfectly willing to take his observation as truth. Both climate deniers and anti-vaxxers understand that the commonly held, “accepted science” is bunk and the reality we live in does not support the rubbish put forth as fact.
The problem with most anti-vaxxers is that they don’t understand science or statistics.
My kid was given a vaccine. Some time later my kid got sick. Therefore the vaccine made him sick.
CO2 levels rose. Temperature levels rose. Therefore CO2 caused the temperature rise.
If you can spot the common fallacy, you are doing better than your average anti-vaxxer.
The sword cuts both ways
“My kid was given a vaccine. Some time later my kid got sick. Vaccines cannot make people sick. Therefore the vaccine did not make him sick.”
You write as someone who hasn’t done a whole lot of research on the matter. How about, my kid was ahead on development, given a vaccine, that night went into encephalitic shock, screamed for four days, passed out, and when she woke up could no longer walk, say the 40+ words she used to know, and the doctors insist it has nothing to do with the jab she had 8 hours before. O, and encephalitis is one of the listed side effects of vaccines. And the VAERS system has paid out four billion dollars to the injured/killed children from vaccines in a system with 1/1000 reporting injuries.
Actually vaccines are known to cause many diseases.
The flu vaccine gives the “flu”.
The hep B vaccine causes all sorts of debilitating illnesses.
There are reasons to suspect the ROR vaccine causes “regressive autism”.
None of that is accepted or even possibly discussed by the vaxxer sect, the most powerful sect on Earth.
“If you can spot the common fallacy, you are doing better than your average anti-vaxxer.”
The fallacy is used by 99% of vaxxers to justify vaccines. Even on this very page. I don’t see you reacting to the fallacy which makes you an iso-leftist.
I’m up to date but I know a lot of young liberal people who quietly object.
The effectiveness of vaccines is verifiable without any models or statistics. It’s what we used to call “real” science. In the imaginary world of GMOs, organic foods, nutrition, climate, etc, there is no reality and statistical analysis (read “slant data to desired end”) is very wrongly considered proof of various realities, depending on what one wants to be true. Since living in unicorn land is the new norm, it’s not surprising a politician has zero understanding of hard science versus fictional science. Fantasyland, here we come.
How would you go about proving the effectiveness of vaccines? If you did it (scientifically) you’d be the first.
Got polio?
OK so you admit you have zero evidence of the benefit of any vaccine?
How can you argue that almost complete, and actual complete, eradication of several contagious diseases is not proof that vaccination works? The only alternative hypothesis could be that something else eradicated these diseases.
Am I missing some kind of clever humour in this?
“proof that vaccination works?”
is an idiotic, unscientific phrase. It proves that you are antiscience.
Do you have any evidence that a vaccine is useful for some people somewhere?
Then post it.
There is ample proof you are a psychotic fool.
Why don’t you shut up and go away?
No one here want to talk to you.
Spoken like a troskist-adolfist.
You have nothing. I have humiliated you. You may hide under a rock.
I demand to be knowing who informing you of my trotskist-adolfist obsession?
This is big time secret, no one is knowing.
How you have hacked my secret accounts and find this informations?
I demand at once you delete these comments and stop embarrassing me.
I demands you are not release any further confidential informations on my secret life.
In France, the measles vaccine is certainly effective in term of a dramatic reduction of measles cases. Of course that was never the goal. The reduction of serious measles cases is simply not measured. In fact the mass vaccination program just caused a dramatic rise of serious cases, and measles of babies that were almost never seen. It’s the archetypal “crazy scientist” experiment. And stupid people are complaining about the risks of “GMO” food!
Many vaccination programs are uncontrolled, dangerous experiments that dramatically wreck the ecology of viruses, but ecologists are nowhere to be seen about these issues.
“The effectiveness of vaccines is verifiable without any models or statistics”
Absolute 100% pure BS.
Eric:
FYI & FYA
“Tabled”
Has contrary meanings.
In America, “Tabled” is when a proposal/idea is considered and then returned to the table; i.e. returned to the stack.
“In the United States, a bill is tabled when a legislative body adopts a motion to suspend consideration of a bill indefinitely.”
Anything “tabled” has to be reintroduced and accepted for discussion by a majority present to reach discussion level again. Which is why so many suggestions/proposals/ideas fade away once they are “tabled”
In the UK the meaning is somewhat different.
“table verb [ T ]
UK /ˈteɪ.bəl/ US /ˈteɪ.bəl/
to suggest something for discussion:
That doesn’t make one version accurate or the other version wrong; just that use of the word means completely opposite things to different people.
Even married to an Australian for 29 years, I did not know that. Thanks.
Every year, fewer and fewer Australian born Australians exist being replaced by migrants. Heck, even I am a migrant form New Zealand. Can I claim I am a “climate refugee” because Sydney is much nicer than Wellington (Meaning it is warmer)?
I knew this article would bring the anti-vaxx nutjobs out of the wood work.
Your arguments are so compelling. Similar tactic used by climate alarmists…
Typical answer from a vaxxer that never could make any argument for any vaccine, ever.
You assume, like catastropho-warmistas. You repeat slogans you barely understand. You mention vague correlations that are largely made up and dismiss strong undeniable correlations of (MS, neurological diseases in general, allergies, diabetes, immunological problems in general, autism, etc.) with crazy vaccination schedule, and arguments from the CDC that even a child who find inane.
Why are babies vaccinated against an STD? Why are phonies enraged about gay marriage and silent about mandatory STD vaccination for babies? Because they are useless bigots.
Where are the so called, phony, no good “conservatives”? There is no conservative party anywhere to be seen. All conservative parties are actually pro big business pro pharma sell outs. (Only trumpism is authentic. And the GOP isn’t trumpist, it’s pro rich people.)
It isn’t possible to find pro vaccine argument convincing with a functional mind, period.
Eradication of diseases is not a reasonable argument for the effectiveness of vaccines to you? I would argue that it is to all functioning minds.
What disease? What vaccine?
Can you make an argument for one vaccine, once in your life?
How about BCG, Polio, Rubella just the ones I can remember. Didn’t have much choice in the 1960’s and 1970’s and I am ok now.
Polio vaccination prevented spread of polio?
You have facts backward.
Polio vaccination was the driving force spreading polio.
How the hell could a polio vaccine eradicate polio? Magic?
Zig, incidence of most, if not all, diseases had already plummeted before their vaccines were introduced.
Generally I agree. People who deny there is a climate or that it changes are indeed ignoring the scientific evidence just as those who preach against use of vaccines deny the huge positive impact vaccines have on human health and longevity. I haven’t so far met or read the words of anyone claiming to deny either the existence of climate or that it changes.
As for the science, I tend to let my understanding be guided by that very same science. This is why I am quite comfortable that there is NO OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that:
1. The biosphere is undergoing dangerous, unprecedented warming/climate change/climate disruption or a climate emergency that exceed known natural variation in the long history of the planet.
2. CO2 emissions from human activity (roughly 5% of the CO2 entering the atmosphere annually) has magically become the single primary driver of surface or trophospheric temperatures, rather than the very modest influencer science predicts it to be.
3. Disrupting the energy foundation of our industrial society will bring anything other than massive human misery and the decimation of the natural environment when 7.7 billion people try to feed themselves, shelter themselves and survive once those foundations are gone.
4. Disrupting that foundation will have any significant impact on the temperature of the globe in the year 2100.
The “successes” of vaccines are largely made up, like “polio” which changed name to make up imaginary benefits of the dangerous vaccine, a vaccine that probably had about as much victims as natural polio itself.
Polio changed name? So there are plenty of people in the developed world crippled by a disease that used to be called Polio, but now has a different name?
Where are they? The people before the vaccine were very evident, and some still are.
BTW, did the disease change its own name? That’s what you seem to imply. It sounds as rational as your other arguments.
“So there are plenty of people in the developed world crippled by a disease that used to be called Polio, but now has a different name?”
There are, but not that much. Again, you have no argument for any vaccine. You just have arrogance and dismissal.
“The people before the vaccine were very evident, and some still are.”
Do you deny the explosion of polio syndromes in India following mass vaccination?
“That’s what you seem to imply. It sounds as rational as your other arguments.”
My arguments are perfect. You have nothing but your arrogance.
“Polio changed name? So there are plenty of people in the developed world crippled by a disease that used to be called Polio, but now has a different name?”
Acute flaccid myelitis. Same symptoms, different name.
The blind arrogance of these guys.
i challenge all people here to cite just ONE insulator that adds heat to any system? the point is no insulator does that and the greenhouse effect in no way ADDS heat to the earth.
The idea is that the “insulator” slows heat energy from escaping the earth like a blanket slows heat energy from escaping The Human body (see Mosher )…BUT ! A blanket that only covers 4% of your body is pretty well useless ! : )
Greenhouse effect does not add heat, it slows down the cooling rate, similar to the effect a winter coat has on a person. Earth’s temp is the rate of received energy minus the cooling rate.
The current alarmist view is that GHG’s, CH4, CO2 and WV etc, “AMPLIFY” warming/heating. You are correct in your post that they slow down the cooling rate.
Senior Aussie Politician: “Climate deniers are like anti-vaxxers”
Senior Aussie politicians are like Heaven’s Gate cultists. Back at ya.
Maybe some of these Aussie politicians would benefit by taking a look at how this looks to any Canadians who happen to be paying attention at the moment,
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-were-freezing-isnt-it-great-the-carbon-tax-must-be-working?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR15PICnpopkM_xWePTSBCnpjoakuTOEat8MWz7_GynzFQPVDhdpSxDSUik#Echobox=1579285524
In my experience, there are a few issues which cut across the usual political dividing lines that most people line up on one side or the other of.
And vaccines, GMO foods, and to a lesser extent global warming alarmism, are among them.
Add the “Roundup is a deadly conspiracy to kill us all with cancer” to the list.
We see it proved right here whenever one of these issues comes up.
Many people are able to sort out the facts from internet scare mongering BS, use a knowledge of history or medicine or agriculture to inform them.
Some are not.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
You just despise people who call the truth about vaccines. You are a mirror image of the warmunists.
You will have to forgive Tony he is a bit “special” and the Labor Party’s professional whiner. You should see him go when he is in election mode. He hasnt noticed that vaccination is a measurable success and the climate change alarmism is a measurable failure getting pretty much everything wrong for the last 30 years or so.
Which vaccination had “measurable success”?
Are you confused?
Polio, Smallpox, etc.
What is it about simple logic that is so hard to grasp?
You are an insult to the great medical researchers who have struggled to improve our lives with great success.
Just throwing around the name of an undefined disease is not an argument.
What improvement? Where? How?
You fail as usual, because you are informed and are repeating mantras.
True-blue Conservatives might raise the tone of the GWPF by transporting convicted perpetrators of the “Wicked and self-destructive idiocy of climate denial ” to penal servitude in the coal mines of Australia.
No, wait a minute– isn’t that how Eric Worrall got there in the first place?
If you don’t really have any policy ideas that work, then you blame the opposition. That is all that’s going on.
The LNP ‘Science Minister’ is no better…equally ignorant.
The current LNP science minister is about the most qualified minister that has held that portfolio in the last 10 – 15 years of various Govn’ts.
The future effect of IA on science will be to replace biased “experts” and to measure objectively the amount of evidence that some vaccine is the source of increase of some illnesses (those that exploded together with the insane vaccine schedule, that is, the most debilitating and most expensive ones).
Imagine what will happen next. The remedies for the people alleging to be victims of vaccines will be in the order of trillions of dollars. Because vaxxism was official states policies, it will be a state debt, probably doubling the debt of some countries. What will happen for the other owners of debt? What debt will be prioritized?
Common sense says that indemnification has priority. What will happen to banks?
It could be a financial meltdown. Of course any Pharma that produced vaccine will be bankrupted and so will be any entity that colluded with them, that is, all of the MSM, all major Internet/Web corps, etc.
That’s the next Revolution.
Get help
No refutation.
No counter argument.
No nothing.
The usual insulting answer from the brainwashed people.
You complain about being insulted?
Add total lack of self awareness to your list of mental conditions.
So, where are your arguments?
So far you have provided none. You support the most fascistic policies in the West and most corrupt industry. That makes you a… (fill in the blanks).
The usual insulting answer from the brainwashed people.
…and the award for most self-unaware hypocrite goes to the misnamed “niceguy”.
Don’t get too far out there Tony and listen to your boss as he knows if you shoot your mouth off about targets and the unlimited sacrifices everybody has to make you’re committing political suicide-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/exclusive-anthony-albanese-reveals-labors-2030-climate-targets-were-a-mistake-and-refuses-to-outline-new-ones/ar-BBZ5NJ7
Just pay ‘climate change’ and aspirational targets lip service like mandatory world peace and fluffy kittens and dole out some free LED lights and water saving shower heads or rooftop solar subsidies but whatever you do don’t start talking about carbon taxes and hiking costs onto the punters because that’s not what virtue signalling and feelgood is all about stoopid. It’s what we do Tony until everyone gets bored with the whole meme and the climate racketeers and move on to the next big thing.
Trust me by next winter if rains return to normal presaged by the flooding at present the bushfires will be yesterdays news like the NZ volcano although clearly not so for those intimately affected. Oh and it will only take a few years with the fire grounds recovered for plenty to forget the nature lesson and buy and build among the trees again as these things always happen to others and not ourselves. It’s the way we’re wired or we wouldn’t get out of bed with all the possible dooming.
One of the worst politicians we have in this country is Tony Bourke who single handedly nearly destroyed the beef industry in Australia in the Gillard era by banning our live trade export to Indonesia. This guy is a real grub.