Anger erupts at U.N. climate summit as major economies resist bold action

From Reuters

Matthew Green, Valerie Volcovici

MADRID (Reuters) – Major economies resisted calls for bolder climate commitments as a U.N. summit in Madrid limped toward a delayed conclusion on Saturday, dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world.

With the two-week gathering spilling into the weekend, campaigners and many delegates slammed Chile, presiding over the talks, for drafting a summit text that they said risked throwing the 2015 Paris Agreement to tackle global warming into reverse.

“At a time when scientists are queuing up to warn about terrifying consequences if emissions keep rising, and school children are taking to the streets in their millions, what we have here in Madrid is a betrayal of people across the world,” said Mohamed Adow, director of Power Shift Africa, a climate and energy think-tank in Nairobi.

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The annual climate marathon had been due to conclude on Friday, but dragged on with ministers mired in multiple disputes over implementing the Paris deal, which has so far failed to stem the upward march of global carbon emissions.

Long-time participants in the talks expressed outrage at the unwillingness of major polluters to show ambition commensurate with the gravity of the climate crisis, after a year of wildfires, cyclones, droughts and floods.

The European Union, small island states and many other nations had been calling for the Madrid decision to signal that the more than 190 countries participating in the Paris process will submit bolder pledges to cut emissions next year.

The agreement enters a crucial implementation phase in 2020, when countries are supposed to ratchet up their ambitions ahead of the next major round of talks in Glasgow.

If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree on more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophic temperature rises will all but vanish.

‘STRONG MESSAGE’

Although no advanced economy is yet on track for the kind of action scientists say is needed to steer the climate onto a safer path, all the EU’s 28 member states, bar Poland, agreed in Brussels on Thursday to target net zero emissions by 2050.

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100 thoughts on “Anger erupts at U.N. climate summit as major economies resist bold action

  1. re: “At a time when scientists are queuing up to warn about terrifying consequences if emissions keep rising,”

    Didn’t James Hansen of NASA GISS do this circa 1988?

    What has happened since?

  2. “Major economies resisted calls for bolder climate commitments as a U.N. summit in Madrid limped toward a delayed conclusion on Saturday, dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world.”

    Those major economies KNOWS that the U.N. and ecoloonies are full of B.S. on their decades long apocalypse mantra is old, stale, boring and stupid.

  3. The post reads, “Major economies resisted calls for bolder climate commitments as a U.N. summit in Madrid limped toward a delayed conclusion on Saturday, dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world.”

    The major economies that are resisting understand that the UNFCCC is nothing more than a concerted push toward worldwide supra-national socialism, intended to redistribute wealth, prosperity, and power. Why would anyone with common sense believe major economies wouldn’t resist?

    To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher in her (not-a-memoire) book “Statecraft”: The UNFCCC is an international anti-capitalist, anti-growth, and anti-democracy project that no leader of a democratic nation alert to his or her nation’s interests should support.

    Regards,
    Bob

    • Which is why President Trump should start the 1 year UNFCCC withdrawal clock on 19 January 2020. He can use what the UNFCCC really is (as you stated) as a campaign re-election point to the American voters.
      That will work becasue the GreenBlob and the complicit media are going to up the alarmist rhetoric volume to level 12 in 2020, turning people off. Especially true as more and more folks realize what the GreenBlob wants to do to people’s monthly electric bills and gas pump prices.

      • Someone explain why we need a “withdrawal clock” for something the Senate did not ratify IAW the CONSTITUTION.

        • Congress did ratify the UNFCCC on 10/07/1992.

          That said, A 1990 law bars funding to “the United Nations or any specialized agency thereof which accords the Palestine Liberation Organization the same standing as member states.” Palestine joined the UNFCCC in 2016, just after the Paris conference (meaning Obama’s embezzled $1 billion to the green climate fund was in violation of that 1990 law). That alone should be plenty of basis for the US to withdraw from the UNFCCC.

  4. As I had remarked to Charles offline, COP25 started with a bang and ended literally with a whimper — or more like a whine. There has been a dearth of media coverage since Friday, suggesting that either the Media is stunned and doesn’t know what to do, or that they are hoping that by ignoring the failure, the public will not notice. However, even this Reuters article continues with the propaganda, and bad-mouthing the US. It really appears that the Leftist media is desperate to convince the public that they should continue to support the panhandlers that show up at these CO2 potlatches, many uninvited, such as Pelosi.

  5. Long-time participants in the talks expressed outrage at the unwillingness of major polluters to show ambition commensurate with the gravity of the climate crisis, after a year of wildfires, cyclones, droughts and floods.

    Bonus points for anybody who can name a single year/decade in which there were no
    Wild fires, cyclones, droughts or floods

  6. Wow. They gave them selves 30 years to fail to meet the desired goals. No one in power now will be at the helm by that time. This is truly avoidance diplomacy.

    Regardless, the natural climate will determine the accuracy of their claims and 30 or even 10 years will be enough to show that they are patently deluded and wrong.

    • Just another group of info-terrorist, climate doom-spouting, rent seekers looking for a “piece of the action” in the shakedown, that is, some of the climate aid cash.

  7. … big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil …

    It’s good that they acknowledge the elephant in the room. The populations of the so called responsible countries, who are trying to meet their Kyoto commitments, will be prompted to ask why they should sacrifice in vain. Why, for instance, should Dutch and Irish farmers be put out of business when that will have approximately zero effect on the world’s CO2 emissions?

    I think the acknowledgement of the China/India problem is a big deal.

    • A nation off-shoring its mobile phone, TV, and toaster oven production is one thing.
      Off-shoring a once robust domestic food production that feeds its people is an entirely different matter when international blackmail commences.

      • RE: International blackmail.

        These clowns only have the “power” we cede to them willingly. And our money. We can stop.

        They are an unelected self-serving bureaucracy with true authority over exactly no one.

        Why do we forget this?

        • “Governments are instituted among men …”

          “Governments derive their just powers from the people …”

          But, of course, the UN isn’t a government.

          • James, you should stick to matters that you understand, the EU seems obviously too complex matter for you. The EU Parliament is based on proportional representation unlike some other less democratic election systems.

          • It’s representation may be proportional, however those in the parliament still aren’t responsible to the voters.

          • MarkW December 16, 2019 at 2:38 pm

            There’s real democracy and then there’s a theoretical version thereof. The Soviet Union was theoretically democratic. link

        • The 28 member EU Council of Ministers is appointed, not elected. It has no accountability. It is this Council that initiates all the laws coming from the EU. The EU Parliament can accept or reject these laws, but it does not initiate legislation so it is very weak on policy and usually is just a rubber stamp

    • China already met their Paris Accord commitment a long time ago. Mind they started from a low base-level. Anyway China is still advancing steadily in cleaning up its air and waters.
      The US is not listed because they pulled out of the Paris Accord and are not bound by its commitments, so their efforts (if any) cannot be measured.
      The US is a great cheerleader for economy depressing restraints but always finds a reason to pull out once its competitor nations are hooked. The others losses are their gains.

      • Don’t be deceptive.

        China’s ‘commitments’ under the Paris accords are that it can increase its CO2 emissions as much as it wants until 2030 when it will begin to reduce them. Their CO2 emissions are by far the largest of any country and are still increasing every year.

        In other words, they have done nothing yet – other than make things worse.

  8. “… dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world.”

    What a load of rubbish. These folks Reuters really do think we can control the weather with some globalist policies. Even if they believe the IPCC model witchcraft about CO2, they are ignoring their own sorcery and prescriptive AR incantations. By ignoring the world’s largest CO2 emitter’s role in global emissions for the next 10 years, a period China has actually promised to do nothing but increase them and then think about how to decrease them after that, they expose what the climate money scam is really about.

    So I say “Hooray” for the COP25 dismal failure. We need more failure like that from the socialist and globalist schemes.

  9. The insistence that there is a climate emergency is all based on out of date science. Almost all credible studies and science today has lowered the climates sensitivity to CO2, leaving no other handy culprit for global warming.
    Without a culprit their can be no rational action taken that can harm economies or populations.
    The lack of debate means no progress in the field of climate science theories, which relegates it to the level of a flat Earth theory.
    In other words only suitable for cultists or satisfying greed.

    • No, Pelosi and Bloomberg were there, “representing” the people of the US who are “still in”.

      Fortunately, Ms Pelosi didn’t bring our checkbook. Bloomberg didn’t open his.

  10. Why will the next big (spending) party be any different?

    [COP26 Glasgow; 30,000 delegates are expected to attend the event
    at Glasgow’s Scottish Events Campus – 9-19 November 2020]

    Y’all come!

  11. Such a conspicuous farce. If they were serious the call would be for all nuclear by 2050. Not necessary but doable. Wouldn’t the IPCC benefit from including a few engineers to explain that wind and solar won’t work without storage? Every indication is that with current technology sufficient storage is hopelessly unaffordable and prospects for a “game changing” technology are nill. CCGT now and SMR phased in from 2025 to 2050. Thereafter Generation 5? 6? 7? advanced nuclear to achieve zero emissions by 2070. China and India should be ready to retire their hundreds of 2020’s constructed coal=fired plants after 40-50 years of service.

    • There may be a little good that is coming from this farce. The scare tactics have encouraged research in alternate energy technologies and possibly even nuclear. As fossil fuels slowly become more expensive the world will need to transition to replacements.That may happen in our grandchildrens’ lifetimes. In the meantime it is valuable to regions and nations that do not have a ready supply of fossil fuel.
      Hoewever, I doubt that it balances the harm that is being don by draconian climate policies

    • Good points Dennis. Too few, (or none?), understand the difference between making the energy – is electricity – and getting it to its point of consumption at the exact time it is needed.
      It is one thing to have the energy available or be able to make it quickly and quite another to get very large amounts of it to the other side of the world where it is needed.

  12. May have been a “failure” but hey, lots and lots of people got to take a really nice vacation out of it.

  13. I wonder why the leading economies are resisting “bold” action. Could it be that they don’t want their countries to become, you know what holes. Avoiding mass poverty and homelessness?

  14. From the article: “If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree on more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophic temperature rises will all but vanish.”

    Yeah, if Australia doesn’t cut more CO2 output it’s going to tip us over the edge of climate doom!

    • I am so pi$$ed off Tom, I just spent the last half an hour typing up a response to you and accidentally deleted it! It was too long anyway. That sentence struck a chord with you and it has outraged me. It’s so hard not to use the Australian vernacular!

      Why do they lump Australia in with the countries that have the largest population on the planet? Do they think that just because we are a geographically large country on the ‘globe’ that we have a large population? Why do they think that 25million people can make any significant difference to the rise in CO2? 25million out of 7.7 billion!

      The government mandated against nuclear, we don’t have much in the way of Hydro electricity (we don’t have much in the way of water). The Rudd government handed over $90 million to an organisation that told him that geothermal energy was a certainty, Tim Flannery was a shareholder and nothing came of that. We don’t even have volcanic activity! South Australia is blowing up it’s coal fire power plants and in other states they being decommissioned.

      Fossil fuels are our only form of reliable energy. Fossil fuels are our only chance of having a manufacturing industry. If we try to replace fossil fuels with 100% wind and solar renewables it will destroy our economy, not to mention our ecology. And if it were possible to reach that target (and CO2 even made a difference) we wouldn’t stop one fire, cyclone or extreme weather event! Our population is simply too small to make a difference. The $50 billion plus that our governments have wasted so far on renewable energy could have gone a long way to sorting out our water problems.

      In 2017-2018 Australia’s use of wind and solar power reached 17%, the aim for 2020 is 23%.
      What ‘more’ is it that we are supposed to do.

      I can’t believe that Scott Morrison has folded like this under pressure. Doesn’t he realise that it’s not that we are his ‘quite Australians’, we’ve been well and truly gagged! We don’t want wind and solar renewables. They do nothing good! They add to CO2 in a massive way, they are causing devastating ecological damage and toxic waste, recycling barely exists anywhere in the world, at not at all in Australia. There is a huge ecological problem looming that no one has addressed, yet everyone seems to be pushing forward with this gargantuan technology!

      Scott Morrison needs to follow Donald Trumps lead and pull out of the Paris agreement and put the breaks on renewables. If he doesn’t we are going down the gurgler.

      I had a theory put to me, in a long row of dominos Australia has been put at the front of the row. It’s a strategy, easy pickings. They are being made out to be one of the big players and their government has fallen for it and think that they need prove something on the world stage. If they can be persuaded to go full throttle with renewables to do their bit to reduce CO2 emissions and be heroes, the likely result is that without fossil fuels they will collapse. Other countries will go down too, like dominos.

      Are people waking up to this scam? Or it it too late. Why are there so many stupid people in the world and how do so many of them hold positions that shape the world?

      • “Why do they lump Australia in with the countries that have the largest population on the planet?”

        Yeah, that’s kind of what I was wondering. It’s just silly to lump Australia in with China and India.

      • Which major surgical hospital do we shut down first when the last coal fired power station gets turned of?

      • But we do export a hell of a lot of coal and iron ore 🙂

        Now all you need to do is be willing to cut the Australian economy at least in half, cause mass unemployment and make us unable to meet our current debts turning our currency to worthless …. but you will save the world err maybe.

        That is why no Australian PM will ever agree to this rubbish and they would never be given the ability to do it by the public.

        It is the same story for many countries which is why Emission control was doomed to failure.

        • yeah reskilling? many thousands of mine n mineral workers and all the affiliated industries workers
          suuure doing what? we wouldn HAVE an economy worth jackschitt left
          those wllpaid mine jobs have a massive flow on effect on all support industries and not just mine related but pool cleaning housecleaners car sales boat sales and so much else they spentd on when they get downtime.
          and then of course wed have to BUY IN steel and everything we make now(what littles left anyway)

          have to admit scomo needs to get a pair and get OUT of the pari0sites conjob and stop playing nice
          though he has refused to go along with the co2 /bushfires crapola
          and if we wanna talk co2 emissions…we just sent shitloads up in smoke;-)
          whaddya gunna do aboit it UNcc?

  15. Whilst the UN has adopted the attitude of doing it for the children one thing adults hate is being lectured to by children and if one of the major delegate groups calls it out for the charade that this conference is , it then encourages other similar larger emitters to be equally as defiant. Hopefully with all major emitters China, India, US and Russia resisting any change to their positions other idiot countries like Australia , Canada and UK will realise the absolute futility of sacrificing their economies on the global warming altar. Hopefully some common sense will prevail and they will realise that a rapid retreat might be a better tactic than throwing their industries in as cannon fodder on this suicide mission in the climate wars.

    • As for being lectured to by children, remember this is the generation that has to be warned to not eat detergent pods. Easily led (or misled), ignorant, and self-absorbed, and with the overconfidence that comes from no experience in life.

  16. What do you mean?. They have extended COP25, think of all that additional CO2 they will be creating…..
    “How dare you!!

  17. Australia included as a major economy? Australia’s CO2 emissions account for 1.3% of global emissions. But stupid policies that are driving up electricity and gas prices are driving industry overseas.

    • But, but, you know, per capita we are one of the worst offenders – like that figure really means anything in such a sparsely populated country.

      If we’d turned off fossil fueled power stations 30 years ago, and relied on renewables, despite being ruined, we’d have made not an ounce of difference to the global climate. The fires would still burn, drought would still happen, as would floods, cyclones and even tornadoes.

    • Australia needs to grow a pair and tell the rest of the world that due to our massive amounts of Outback we play a vital and irreplaceable role in making the world a better place… and hence THEY can give us money.

      Put it this way. Nearly as many people live in metro London then voted in Australia’s last Federal election. We have a population density of THREE people per square km. Even Iceland beats that and the only thing you find in Iceland is Volcano’s and Bjork.

      Australia might be smaller than Brazil, the country often claimed to be the Lungs of the World, but given out much much lower population it is clear our lungs, while slightly dusty in parts, are in a much more natural condition.

      Australia is should be regarded as a role model by COP and everyone else should be paying us for the privilege of even standing in the same room as our massive organic CO2 processing ability.

      • im lughing at the beat up[ over poor sydneysiders breathing smoky air and the serious health risks
        funny that for months the poor buggers being burnt out have borne far worse and no bastard gave a damn?
        oh and the firies most of whom are locals n volunteers, day in day out for months in some areas

  18. “dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world. ” What a bunch of crap – the obvious practical means of significantly reducing carbon levels is on the near horizon and doesn’t require any stupid govt actions : electric cars and small modular molten salt reactors. These people are just plain stupid about the future of energy.

  19. Although no advanced economy is yet on track for the kind of action scientists say is needed to steer the climate onto a safer path, all the EU’s 28 member states, bar Poland, agreed in Brussels on Thursday to target net zero emissions by 2050.

    I’d like some detail on exactly what “agreed to target” means.

    As far as I can tell, none of the parties demanding action to combat climate change are offering any resources (financial or technical) to help do so.

  20. “At a time when PSEUDO scientists are queuing up to warn about terrifying consequences if THEY DON’T GET CASH …”

    Fixed.

  21. … calling carbon dioxide “carbon”

    … speaking of emissions, without specifying exactly WHICH KIND of emissions, expecting everybody to embrace the obscured alarmist meaning, “carbon dioxide emissions”, I’m guessing

    … erroneously conflating carbon dioxide emissions (I presume) with pollution

    Typical scaremongering journalism.

  22. Sure they resist bold action. They know that this comes with major pain for their citizens and that this also translates into losses at the ballot box. Even the unaccountable leaders of China fear popular backlashes. So, they are fine with grandiose but hollow declarations and no action. I should glad as I don’t buy the climate hocuspocus anyhow. But I am not. The world needs some stern and decisive leadership to get out of the rut it has put itself into. I did not like the Cold War very much but more and more I come to understand that it gave the world much-needed focus. We lost our Mojo and so we allow kids with iPhones to tyrannize us with Lala Land visions. So, there is anger? Not enough.

    • You understand not to blame the politicians, you need to win the public over which is more than most of the CAGW crowd do. You would also probably know that ignoring them, calling them names and avoiding questions is probably not going to convert them to your side.

      Noise from a few percent of people may initially get you the politicians ear but poll results very quickly tell them what people are willing to actually vote on. The failure of COP25 and the almost certain failure of COP26 you would think force the CAGW crowd to stop and take stock but sometimes stupids just keeps on with stupid.

  23. Who was it who said, “All you need to know about climate change is there is nothing we can do about it?”

  24. “…and school children are taking to the streets in their millions…”

    The stupidity has no words here.

  25. The obvious outcome is that the climate will just carry on doing its thing. There is absolutely no chance that any steps taken by mankind will be of sufficient magnitude to have any significant influence.

    Economics and self-preservation are what controls our actions and policies. The extreme actions they advocate are simply not going to happen.

    They are whistling in the wind. Let them go. Sooner or later they will hang themselves. IMO climate will not continue to warm along a steady trend. There will be a sustained drop for a period – the duration of which we cannot know. This is how nature works. Osculations. Show me any natural system that does not have them.

    M

  26. Americans were funding this monstrous fraud and now we’re not, thanks entirely to President Trump; That’s why they ‘resist bold action’! That’s what should be reported, not this Mickey Mouse bulls*it. If WUWT wants to attract alarmist readers don’t pander, tell the truth and they’ll swarm like a plague of locusts.

  27. If you were promised wealth and power for doing nothing and previous politicians had actually handed some over..then the only source of that wealth and power surrender, the USA tells you to go pound sand..
    Fear and defensive anger might be creeping into their minds.

  28. I love her University title

    Megan MacKenzie is Professor of Gender and War at the University of Sydney.

    What sort of a university promotes that?

    In my university days it was all about inclusion and tolerance.

    Have the loons really taken over the universities to that extent?

    • The people who enrol in these sorts of courses are in it for one thing and one thing only; Welfare! They know they can’t and will never find a job and expect the taxpayer to take up the slack! Hence, welfare is the biggest tax take out of my taxes based on my annual tax statement.

  29. “Major economies resisted calls for bolder climate commitments as a U.N. summit in Madrid limped toward a delayed conclusion on Saturday, dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world”

    Translation: major economies are on to the bizarre UN game of inventing global environmental emergencies for a self serving agenda.

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/05/13/greta2/

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