Real collusion: Tort Lawyers, Bloomberg, state attorney generals, and climate activists

Climate Litigation Watch posted this video today, which is well worth watching. Climate activists can’t win on the science, so they collude to do back door deals to create climate based laws.

CLW writes:

This video illustrates what CLW has been educating the public about – deep pockets and special interests funding collusion between green groups, trial lawyers and state attorney general offices. Having convinced themselves of a just cause there is apparently no abuse of power, no skirting the law, and no regrets. To which they would say “No way!” if the parties weren’t them, and the cause not theirs.

There’s going to be a trial attempting to punish Exxon-Mobil starting on October 21st in New York City. Climate Litigation Watch is going to be covering this extensively. Be sure to bookmark their website and follow them on Twitter.

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October 18, 2019 8:59 am

Liberals have always considered themselves to be above the law.

Reply to  MarkW
October 18, 2019 2:14 pm

Repeatedly, and regularly they are above the law.

Hillary walked away with obvious transgressions (she destroyed evidence, for crying out loud…no way Trump could ever get away with that) and Trump gets hounded for over 2 years with “trumped up Russia collusion” allegations made out of thin air with no evidence that would ever elicit an investigation by uncorrupted Justice Department Officials…in a fake affidavit produced by Fusion GPS funded by the Clinton Campaign Fund.

Fraudulent Climate Science is using $Billions of taxpayers $ to destroy our country.

Using our own money to illegally (via Organized Crime – knowingly corrupting Data and producing Fraudulent Public Reports — they were caught doing it in Climategate).

Hopefully, the AG can pull together enough evidence to convict and incarcerate that criminal James Comey…and all his co-conspirators in our Intelligence Agencies.

And some day I hope to see justice served to the Climate Fraud crowd. That won’t happen…because liberals get away with just about everything.

Reply to  DocSiders
October 18, 2019 8:21 pm

Not forgetting Peter Gleick’s admitted identity theft and wire fraud that did not even get him a police interview. Had they acted they would have quickly found proof that he forged the fake Heartland documents.

However, climate criminal get protection.

Reply to  DocSiders
October 21, 2019 12:49 pm

If that destroyed data ever surfaces, my guess is that shows Hillary’s gang was directly tied into the “trumped up Russia collusion” allegations.

Reply to  DonM
October 23, 2019 12:28 pm

What she was most likely trying to hide was her “pay-to-play” throughout her time as Secretary of State. Oh, hell, ever since the Clinton Foundation’s inception at the end of the [William Jefferson] Clinton Presidency.

Rodney Johnson
October 18, 2019 9:01 am

This is a well established tactic used by “big tobacco”, “big oil”, and most recently “big pharma”. The tactic is highly effective because political corruption is the best business model in the US. Brace for impact.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 18, 2019 12:14 pm

So Rodney you think this okay. Got your education sometime over the last 30 years or so? If you did, your duty to yourself to be an independent thinker is to question not only the knowledge grafted on to you in the ‘education’ agenda, but to question everything. Tell me, what is the downside of this suggestion? If I’ve mistaken your meaning, my apologies.

Rod Johnosn
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 18, 2019 12:50 pm

I don’t think it’s OK. Quite to the contrary.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 18, 2019 4:36 pm

What exactly did “big oil” do that was like this?

Rodney Johnson
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 19, 2019 9:53 am

For one, they suppressed the health risks of lead in gasoline. They did that with regulatory capture and direct lobbying to politicians at state and federal levels. This activity caused countless lost IQ points across 2 generations of Americans. A lot of people here seem to think lack of intelligence is a problem. Political corruption is the most profitable business model in the US.

Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 21, 2019 1:00 pm

As they were suppressing the data and endangering the rest of us, what did they do to protect their own families, friends, grandkids, etc. from the lead? Did they wear masks?

(… and, lobbying to politicians is very different from BUYING a few spots in the State AG offices.)

(… and it is not O.K. to do something shitty just because (you think) someone else did something shitty in the past)

Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 18, 2019 5:07 pm

Right, “Big Oil”? LOL

US oil companies make about five cents off a single gallon of gasoline, on the other hand US Big Government taxes on a single gallon are around seventy-one cents for US states & rising, the tax is now $1.00 per gallon for CA, that’s BEFORE FED. TAXES.
IOW, greedy US governments make fourteen to twenty times what oil companies make and it is the oil companies who find, make & deliver the vital product to the marketplace.

It’s Big Government, not Big Oil.

Reply to  Wally
October 18, 2019 5:26 pm

Ever notice how those who whine and cry about how big businesses aren’t saints, immediately demand that big government get even bigger in order to protect them from their imaginary demons.

Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 18, 2019 5:25 pm

Of course none of those did anything. But those who live off of bad science can’t let reality get in the way of their hatred of big business.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 19, 2019 4:47 am

What exactly did “big pharma” do that was like this?

Patients demanded pain medication from their doctors.

Doctors demanded big pharma provide a really good pain preventing prescription drug.

Big pharma produced OxyContin and hydrocodone as requested by medical professionals.

Medical professionals began prescribing ….. and over prescribing those pain killing drugs.

Patients became addicted to said pain killers and Doctors began over-prescribing their use.

Doctors were making tons of money writing prescriptions.

Pharmacists were making tons of money filling prescriptions.

Patients started dying from overdosing.

Big pharma is being sued for causing addictions and deaths.

Shur nuff, cause ya can’t sue all the pharmacists, or the Doctors or the dead druggies.

Rodney Johnson
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 19, 2019 10:04 am

Good lord. Defending pharma? It doesn’t merit a reply but I will anyway. Pharma owns medical schools , medical trade associations and your illegitimate government. They spend the most on lobbying, and 2x more on lobbying than the petrochemical lobby. All major pharma interests are convicted felons. Correctly prescribed and applied pharma products are responsible for between 100-150 lost American lives per year. There is no better single illustration of the corruption than the government mandating pharma products for children that they have no liability for. Perhaps I am wasting time on this website. If people here are defending the oligarchy and pharma there is no help coming for you.

Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 23, 2019 12:35 pm

All major pharma interests are convicted felons.”

I was sorta believing you up until then. A logical fallacy my Mother warned me against before I reached the age of 10. Any sentence beginning with, “You always…” is not only most likely false, but admits you have lost the argument, because your opponent then becomes defensive and won’t even listen to your factual points. Bad form.

George Steele
Reply to  Rodney Johnson
October 23, 2019 3:04 pm

Having worked for a major pharmaceutical manufacturer for fifteen years I must take issue with “All major pharma interests are convicted felons.”
Millions were spent on research. Most of it led to no viable medication. The second pill costs under a dollar to manufacture. The first costs millions. Most of the expense is complying with FDA rules.
Our epidemiologists took in all adverse reaction reports. We made this available to the medical community. And, for what it is worth, the epidemiologists predicted as the HIV epidemic occurred that by 2020 HIV would not be deadly.
When they make accurate 40-year predictions I like to think they knew what they were doing.
Most of us felt we were doing well by doing good.
I now of no convicted felons at The Upjohn Company (since sold).

George Steele
Reply to  George Steele
October 23, 2019 3:05 pm

“I know” not “I now”

James P
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 20, 2019 8:42 am

Big Pharma has been responsible for, among two examples, vastly improved treatments for managing Type 1 diabetes – – a condition from which my son suffers – – adding many decades to his life expectancy vs. what it would have been 50 or even 25 years ago, and developed medications for migraine headaches from which I suffer routinely that allow me to continue with normal daily life vs. spending a day of pain lying in bed in a dark room. I hope they make money from these developments, they have been God sends for our family.

Reply to  James P
October 23, 2019 12:44 pm

My #3 son thanks Big Pharma, almost daily, for ending (or at least curtailing to the point he doesn’t employ them) his cigarette smoking.

(I want to insert a comment citing over-regulation as the sole reason for the high price of drugs, but there are way too many examples of the revolving door between the FDA and Big Pharma executive slots, the fact that >50% of research can’t be duplicated (Research Replication Crisis? what are people calling it?), and the mere existence of Pharmacy Benefit Managers, kinda shuts me up.)

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 20, 2019 8:59 am

Patient demand was stimulated by government sponsored research that not controlling severe pain interfered with patient recovery. HHS pushed this out to doctors, hospitals, and insurers. The result is the “pain interview” you get with almost every visit to a medical practitioner. I laugh every time I get asked and point out the silliness of it all. Lots of advertising by both Big Government and Big Pharma resulted in lots of demand from patients. Very shortly doctors and other providers were being censured for not prescribing enough pain killers(mostly oxycontin) even to the point of losing their licenses.

A big rise in overdose deaths started about 10 years ago as many of the original guinea pigs had become addicted to oxycontin. Oxycontin use was curtailed a lot depriving people who really needed it to more pain. The substitute, oxycodone is a less effective pain killer but also addictive if used too long at high doses.

After starting a program to make addicts the government did not monitor the results adequately or do any kind of sensible, responsible regulation and over sight until addicts were dying on the street corners. I still laugh every time I get asked “how would you rate you pain right now?”.

Big Pharma was first attacked for not producing enough pills, saw how profitable they were, and are now attacked at producing too many and advertising their effectiveness as pain killers.

None of this excuses the actions of government regulators, the actions of big drug companies eagerly making huge profits under cover of treatment, and crooked doctors writing huge number of scrips for large amounts of narcotic drugs without regard for their oath of “do no harm”.

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 24, 2019 1:05 pm

Exactly. So glad you outlined this. I worked in “Big Pharma” (is there “Little Pharma” or “Medium Pharma”? I think I worked for them, too) for 25 years. Never sat through a meeting about how to cook the data in order to enslave patients to addiction. It was mostly how to create and manufacture products that are compliant with government – FDA – regs. Find myself constantly wondering how the “gatekeepers” (doctors, pharmacists, etc) get off the hook for opiod addiction??? Even the late Anthony Bourdain, in one of his segments on addiction in Massachusetts, got a doctor to admit they were the main problem with addiction.

Joel Snider
October 18, 2019 9:17 am

I’d go so far as to call it ‘conspiracy’. Or ‘racketeering’.

John McClure
October 18, 2019 9:19 am

The video cuts out before finishing.

Here’s a link to another as posted on YouTube.

John McClure
Reply to  John McClure
October 18, 2019 10:40 am

Their website is currently broken. See to see info about the organization.

Reply to  John McClure
October 18, 2019 1:29 pm
John McClure
Reply to  sycomputing
October 19, 2019 5:41 am

Its still broken, select About link and it mirrors to the Twitter posts.

Reply to  John McClure
October 19, 2019 7:01 am

Its still broken, select About link and it mirrors to the Twitter posts.

No sir. All three links (About/Contact/Professionals) work fine on my end. If it was broken, it’s now fixed:

John McClure
Reply to  John McClure
October 20, 2019 7:09 am

I’m using an iPad. Maybe that’s the problem.

All 3 of your links mirror to the Tweets page.

J Mac
October 18, 2019 9:29 am

How is this not racketeering?

Rodney Allan Johnson
Reply to  J Mac
October 19, 2019 10:06 am

When politicians do it, they have de facto legal protection. Not immunity but when was the last time a politician was convicted of racketeering? That’s the American system.

October 18, 2019 9:52 am

These lawsuits have a track record of success as evidenced by multi-million dollar settlements with tobacco, paint, and pesticide manufacturers. Regardless of the merits of the cases, these products contained readily identified harmful substances that juries could understand. It will be key for defense teams to make it clear that CO2 — a gas that every person in the courtroom is exhaling — is ubiquitous and not harmful in tiny concentrations.

Reply to  Gary
October 18, 2019 11:17 am

you could actually prove that cigarette carcinogens, lead in paint, and pesticides were bad for people. That’s why those lawsuits worked. Your body actually produces CO2. You cannot “prove” it is bad for you in any way,

Reply to  wws
October 23, 2019 1:30 pm

Even though (if) the suit had merit, I found the Tobacco Slush Settlement Fund highly suspect, and likely even unconstitutional.

Mark Broderick
October 18, 2019 10:11 am

What do you call 1,000 “climate change lawyers” at the bottom of Lake Ontario…? A good start !

George Steele
October 18, 2019 10:16 am

There is a Just-Cause Fallacy.
It is the embodiment of Just Ends Allow Any Means.

Smart Rock
October 18, 2019 10:44 am

It seems wrong that the office of an attorney general (whether elected or appointed) should be partly populated by individuals who are paid by organizations or people from the private sector. In theory, at least, AGs should be able to compel their staffs to perform tasks and execute policies determined by the AGs, and their leverage over their staff memberss is that they are paid by, and can be dismissed by the AGs. If private-sector lawyers work in an AG’s office, the AG does not have that leverage.

I don’t know how these things work in practice in the US (or even in my own countries of Canada and the UK), but I wonder if there is not some sort of constitutional challenge that could be made in state supreme courts. Such an action would not address climate-related stuff, but focus on the impropriety or illegality of outside staff who are more answerable to the green gilberts who pay them, than to their notional bosses.

I’m sure there are some here who can answer this.

Curious George
Reply to  Smart Rock
October 18, 2019 1:16 pm

That’s the idea of the “deep state”: If we can’t buy the President or the Attorney General, let’s at least buy their staff – and good riddance, Mr. President (or AG) implementing the will of the voters.

October 18, 2019 1:26 pm

Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg, and George Soros belong in the same category, although thank goodness George can’t run for the Presidency.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Stephen Heins
October 18, 2019 4:40 pm

And Steyer’s attempt was pretty half-assed.

Donald Boughton
Reply to  Stephen Heins
October 19, 2019 3:21 am

George Soros is far is too old at 97 to run for the president of the USA. Sooner rather than later he is going to get a visit from the Grime Reaper who is going to make an offer George cannot refuse.

October 18, 2019 2:59 pm

The USA looks more like Weimar Germany with each passing day. Extremism which this is leads to extremism in fighting back. No justice no peace isn’t just a slogan for one side of the polarized debate. Bloomberg and his crew are willing to subvert the law because they believe. Guess what Mike. Others believe just as strongly that you must be exposed and stopped.
And stopped you will be. Should have stuck to the soda tax jackazz.

Reply to  Troe
October 19, 2019 8:01 am

Other 20th century examples include Spain and Chile. Left over-reach eventually leads to a crushing reaction from the right.

October 18, 2019 3:51 pm

Error has no rights. Typical autocratic thinking.

Flight Level
October 18, 2019 4:11 pm

Since life has a undeniable record of leading to death, then we might as well sue all parents for knowingly creating non-eternal descendants.

Call it #parentsknew and racket about anyone on earth.

Sounds like a plan ?

Reply to  Flight Level
October 19, 2019 12:48 am

There’s an idea for Extinction Rebellion. Are they hiring lawyers. The mother of all class-action suits!

Jeff Alberts
October 18, 2019 4:32 pm

Typo in the title: “attorney generals”

October 18, 2019 6:25 pm

Climate Change is a giant criminal enterprise that can sell flawed science and spurious statistics at will because it is shielded by the noble cause fallacy and sold with fear mongering.

Alan D. McIntire
October 21, 2019 4:05 pm

To pick a nit, the correct plural term is “attorneys general”

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