Putin Dismisses Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg: “Poorly Informed Teenager”

Portrait of Vladimir Putin, Source kremlin.ru, Author Russian Presidential Press and Information Office

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; President Vladimir Putin has dismissed Greta Thunberg’s climate crusade, suggesting she has no idea of the cost of what she is demanding.

“I may disappoint you but I do not share everyone’s enthusiasm about Greta Thunberg’s speech [to the UN]. You know, the fact that young people, teenagers pay attention to the acute problems of the modern world, including ecology. That is right and very good. We need to support them. But when somebody uses children and teenagers in their own interests it deserves to be condemned.

Nobody explained to Greta that the modern world is complicated, and complex, and it changes fast. People in Africa and in many Asian countries want to be as wealthy as people in Sweden. How can it be done? By making them use solar energy which is plentiful in Africa? Has anyone explained the cost of it?

Source: Breitbart

My guess is the answer to that question is “no”.

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October 4, 2019 6:24 am

The Swedish Death Metal version of Greta’s speech is the definitive reading!

(made me laugh til I cried!)


Eric H
Reply to  wws
October 4, 2019 7:18 am

Now that……

…..is AWESOME!


Title of the song: “How Dare YOU!”

Reply to  Eric H
October 5, 2019 4:59 am

Flip side, “Eat the baby.”

Reply to  wws
October 4, 2019 7:46 am

ROTFLMAO!!! It fits so well. The heavy metal voice is just so perfect. Thank you. Made my day.

Gunga Din
Reply to  TRM
October 4, 2019 5:45 pm

Grrrrreta without the mask.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  wws
October 4, 2019 9:18 am

I’m looking forward to a German 1930s version.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  wws
October 4, 2019 11:16 am

That is hilarious. The music and heavy metal voice fits her facial expressions perfectly. There will be people that say, “How dare you make fun of a child!” In response I say “How dare you take a child seriously on such complicated subjects!”

Tom Foley
Reply to  Paul Penrose
October 4, 2019 4:56 pm

Why not? Out of the mouth of babes sometimes comes wisdom (idiom), from the Bible, strength comes out of the mouth of babes. Sometimes young people can see more clearly because they aren’t yet loaded down with political and social baggage.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 6:10 pm

…and sometimes it’s just crap

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Latitude
October 4, 2019 7:40 pm


Reply to  Latitude
October 4, 2019 10:24 pm

She can clearly see carbon dioxide.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 7:43 pm

Children know little and understand much less. Very rarely one does get the odd random insight from a precocious specimen but this is only made remarkable by how infrequently this happens.

Reply to  Bill Sticker
October 6, 2019 2:37 pm

I think you’re being unkind to Greta. Our universities have learned the wisdom of having either children or at least the uneducated moved into professorships at our universities. Thus you have the wisdom and keen insight from people like AOC, who graduated university with both an econ and and international relations major. We have beheld her wisdom and it is truly blinding.

OK, blinding because tears have filled my eyes – but it is still blinding, and I’m rendered helpless with uncontrollable laughter, unable to communicate, just holding my sides and rolling on the floor.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 7:52 pm

Yeah and they aren’t loaded down with good sense and knowledge.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 8:46 pm

Feel free to let children run your life for you on the off chance that they may get it right once in a while, but you will excuse me if I don’t.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 5, 2019 2:08 am

And sometimes they just repeat whatever their socialist parents indoctrinated them with.

F. Hoffmann
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 5, 2019 5:31 am

“The enthusiasm for the boys and girls, who are suddenly “politically involved”, is pure hypocrisy. No one who has his senses together would have an appendectomy by a sixteen-year-old, whose parents donated him/her an anatomy atlas for Christmas. No one who wants to build a house for himself and his family would hire a sixteen-year-old architect who has built only sand castles so far. And no one who can distinguish a hedge fund from a home savings contract would trust a sixteen-year-old’s advice on his assets. But when it comes to the climate and the world in which we live, noisy children suddenly mutate into valued prophets of impending doom” german journalist Hendryk Broder recently wrote in the swiss WELTWOCHE. Would you agree?

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 5, 2019 7:01 am

She is way too young to have trite anecdotes of the good old days~ about walking to school in meters of snow, uphill both ways.

John Endicott
Reply to  Dylan
October 7, 2019 7:22 am

Well of course, because by the time she was in school, snow was a thing of the past as foretold by the “esteemed” Dr. Viner in 2000.

Reply to  wws
October 9, 2019 12:18 am

In 1992, at the seminal Kyoto climate convention, this was Putin’s PowerPoint presentation.


Putin knee then . Be sure to see the last charts.

October 4, 2019 6:28 am

Say what you want about Putin, but he is no fool. When Obama was elected, my first thought was that Putin was going to run laps around him on the world stage.

And didn’t the Russia Federation of Science start talking about a coming cooling trend a few years ago?

Reply to  David
October 4, 2019 8:02 am

Well, as much as I don’t care for his politics he seems far more “presidential” than Trump.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 8:44 am

Worst case scenario, the Dems win the WH, House of Reps and the Senate.
What is the plan, where to go to escape the lunacy to come?
I have thought on this long and hard, and the only places I can think of that might be viable long term are Eastern Europe and Russia.
The irony is truly spectacular.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
October 4, 2019 9:26 am

Agree with you. In particular the former East Block has seen what extreme socialism does, just as Václav Klaus writes about in his book “Blue Planet in Green Shackles”.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
October 4, 2019 11:32 am

I have just returned from Russia: I’ve heard and studied their story, the Romanoffs, the catastrophe of Communism, 1917-1991, and the painful aftermath. You’re right; I’m encouraged by their recovery, effort and sense of hope!

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
October 5, 2019 8:53 am

I have an ex forces froend whos lived in russia for some years
he says its damned good place to be health care food housing etc all beats what he got at home
and he has no reason to lie or m islead anyone and has experience of travelling and living in many lands.
if it wasnt for the abuse to get a passport and theprivacy invasion(i am talking australias not russias) Id consider visiting. land and homes are quite afordable from real estate ads he sent me.

Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 10:47 am

When you dont give a crap about actually doing anything, being “presidential” is nice. How about we just get some work done for once?

Paul Penrose
Reply to  DayHay
October 4, 2019 11:19 am

I agree. Those Democrats in the House of Representatives need to put a stop to all these baseless investigations and get back to the people’s work. If this president is as bad as they say, he will be voted out next year.

Reply to  DayHay
October 4, 2019 6:13 pm

..and then there’s a lot of us that are sick and tired of “presidential”

and voted for an assburner..and it’s about time

Reply to  Latitude
October 4, 2019 8:03 pm


Reply to  DayHay
October 6, 2019 2:08 pm

DayHay – Right on! I’d rather an effective president rather than the losers we’ve had for the previous 28 years.

He doesn’t seem to understand the concept of a brick wall. He just fins ways to go around. No president in my 65+ years has had the will to do that.

Tom Anderson
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 10:55 am

As long as today’s Democrats carry on as they have, I doubt either Trump or anyone else could be both “presidential” and an effective chief magistrate.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 11:51 am

Putin doesn’t have to contend with hopeless incompetent opposition like the Democrats!

Russ Wood
Reply to  Mike Lowe
October 7, 2019 5:52 am

By ‘opposition’ you surely mean the GOP? Well, that’s what they’re acting like!

Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 3:09 pm

I suspect that Valdimir doesn’t have to much opposition in his government.
I very much suspect that if he wants to fire someone there will be little or no fuss.

Considering that Donald Trump gets slain by just about any word from his mouth, his situation is quite different.

Actually I think Donald Trump’s speech and especially his insistency on transparency are some of the things that make him great.

Tom Foley
Reply to  Roger Surf
October 4, 2019 4:59 pm

If Trump was really into transparency, he should release his tax files like other presidents have done.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 6:15 pm

…especially the ones that came in without a pot to piss in…and left mega wealthy

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 5, 2019 2:19 am

And he shouldn’t be allowed anything like the right to privacy? American presidents are the only ones that anybody expects to do that. And it only started very recently.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 5, 2019 6:25 am

Why should he? Why is it anyone’s business? You get Obama to release his college transcripts and maybe I’ll agree with you.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 6, 2019 11:21 am

uh huh… just like o blah blah released all of his college records,real birth cert,etc,etc.. that the kind of transparency ye’ talking about ?

Kevin Hilde
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 4:37 pm

The willingness to point out Greta’s ignorance is a pretty low bar for praise. I’m amazed and disgusted by the esteem some in the west hold for the Russian dictator … and make no mistake, that’s what he is.

Why do people who generally hold conservative philosophical positions in the US like this guy? Because he puffs out his chest and speaks in a firm, resolute manner? Because he seems strong and”in command?” Most dictators do.

Outside of Moscow and Saint Petersburg life in Russia is pretty grim.
I don’t endorse everything this guy says on his channel, but this three part series on Russia is quite revealing, as is his video on Duganism. Note that the videos are about three years old.

Russia is Not Great [1/3] Cultural Enrichment
Russia is Not Great [2/3] Living in Russia
Russia is Not Great [3/3] Societal Degeneracy

Gunga Din
Reply to  Kevin Hilde
October 4, 2019 5:57 pm

I hold no “esteem” for a “Russian Dictator” or any other.
Why he gave an honest appraisal about Grrrreta AND that we’ve heard what he said?
I don’t know.
The UN’s craving for control exceeds, and thus its promotion of Greeeta, his own?

Ben of Houston
Reply to  Kevin Hilde
October 5, 2019 8:20 pm

I can respect and fear the man. Even though I dislike him and everything he stands for, he has the knowledge, force, and wisdom to have led a world power for decades now. He also does not fear to speak his mind. In this case, he’s the only public figure speaking honestly about what everyone is thinking.

You don’t have to like someone to acknowledge that they are right.

Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 5, 2019 4:52 pm

I’m more presidential than Trump.

George Steele
Reply to  David
October 4, 2019 9:55 am

The Russian climate model is the closest to reality.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  George Steele
October 4, 2019 11:22 am

By sheer luck. It is as incomplete as the rest of them and therefore has no predictive value. You may as well believe in the results of monkeys throwing poo at chart on the wall.

Al Black
Reply to  Paul Penrose
October 5, 2019 12:24 am

Spoilt Brat Greta would be perfect for that job! “How Dare You?” Throws poo…”How Very Dare You?” More Poo…Global Warming will drown us all at 1.3mm per year! In 8000 years, the sea will be 10 metres deeper: how can humanity cope with walking inland a few kilometres, given only 8000 years to do so? Extinction awaits: “How Dare You?”…you get the idea.

Reply to  David
October 4, 2019 1:26 pm

I found that late last night and watched his brief but very pointed response. I thought he was being blunt, but still kind to Greta, in what he said about how she’s being used.

She will lose her “value” at some point, and be set off to the side, but will not understand why, or what she did wrong. Very sad.

Reply to  David
October 4, 2019 1:54 pm

I go there (from Norgrey) every second year to visit the outlaws; once I get my head around the language I’d happily live there to escape the lunatic left cancer that’s rotting western civilisation like a brain tumor. Growing up in the ’70s and ’80s, the idea that one day ‘defecting’ to Russia to escape socialism would be appealing would have seemed absurd. How times have changed.
Was Agent Smith of ‘The Matrix’ onto someting when he observed;
“Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world, where none suffered? Where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from…”
It’s about the only reason I can think of to explain why well fed, allegedly educated people with no problems to speak of would voluntarily sign-up for this cack. Never mind hanging on every demented word of the child puppet prophet.

Reply to  Erny72
October 4, 2019 2:38 pm

It’s about the only reason I can think of to explain why well fed, allegedly educated people with no problems to speak of would voluntarily sign-up for this cack. – ERny72

Erny, it’s because they have everything handed to them on a platter. They have never really had to struggle for anything. They take everything – and I do mean EVERYTHING – for granted, and have no idea how to deal with real-world problems. They have no sense of faith in anything, therefore climate worship equals some weird religious obsession with something that doesn’t exist and won’t happen. If they had to go hungry or cold, had no money at all, no way to get around except by walking, they would be completely lost.
They are lost souls with no anchor of any kind. And unfortunately, I don’t feel sorry for them because the world they live in is limited to what they find on handheld electronic screens. It didn’t have to be that way. It just is, because they are too lazy-brained to step away from it.

Tom Foley
Reply to  Sara
October 4, 2019 5:16 pm

On the other hand, if they are really have had everything handed to them on a plate, then concern about climate change is a totally pragmatic reaction to fear losing it all. They fear going hungry and wandering around with nothing. So it’s not worship of climate change as a god, it’s fear of climate change as a devil. And if they think something could be done to halt or minimise this disaster, why wouldn’t they speak up?

Your absolute certainty that AGW is ‘cack’ could also be an example of faith. And perhaps a different kind of fearful reaction – it has to be wrong, because if it is real, then it’s almost unthinkable.

Reply to  Sara
October 4, 2019 6:22 pm

the most glaring is how it mimics all other religions…
predictions of catastrophes….floods, droughts….we’re all going to die if we don’t believe…etc etc

fear of the unknown…and using that

all of it…right out of the basic religious playbook

October 4, 2019 6:36 am

Plain, simple, direct, and correct explanation from an adult. Can you imagine the blood-letting the MSM would extract if Trump had said the same thing?

October 4, 2019 6:40 am

First Jeremy Clarkson and now putin 😀 I hope more people with common sense speak with mass media access, speak up on these foolish greens… Also, clearly the co2 seeing puppet is happy living a lush technological advanced future, but everybody else must suffer.

Reply to  Sunny
October 4, 2019 8:06 am

Sunny – You just used an awful swear word – “common sense!” How dare you! Using the word “common sense” now requires you to go on television and tearfully apologize to anyone you might have offended. As we all know common sense is forbidden and is politically incorrect.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 9:11 am

Which means there’s nothing ‘common’ about it.

Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 9:21 am

Probably because it is rather scarce.

Another Paul
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 10:24 am

That’s because common sense has become a superpower.

Another Ian
Reply to  Marty
October 5, 2019 12:00 am

Try the track “Common Sense” from John Prine’s album of the same name.

Refrain “It don’t make no sense that common sense don’t make no sense no more”

My vote for the anthem of the 21st century

October 4, 2019 6:45 am

I’ve always thought that the Russians must be having a good laugh at what’s going on in the Western world. Can you imagine what gets said at their high-level government meetings?
At last we see a leader who ‘tells it like it is’ instead of capitulating to the climate clowns!

Reply to  Carbon500
October 4, 2019 8:11 am

It’s not just the Russians who are laughing at this global warming delusion. China, India, and just about every other third world country is playing the liberals in the United States and the governments of Australia, Canada and western Europe for dumb suckers.

Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 8:46 am


Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 10:41 am


Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 3:09 pm

They have been doing that since Kyoto. The whole reason all the developing world signed on was that they would get payouts from the developed world not to pollute. So, 3rd world dictatorship “plans” to build a massive coal burning electrical plant, and then the US pays them not to build it. In the worst case it was just a way for the crony dictators of the world to extort free money from the US. But in the most charitable, most lenient reading of the treaty, it amounted to the developed world paying the 3rd world to not develop.

Berndt Joch
Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 6:33 pm

+ 102

Andy Pattullo
October 4, 2019 6:49 am

If I were Russian I might well keep voting for Putin. In spite of the many things he has done that warrant criticism, he is not stupid, and he doesn’t seem to act without significant forethought – a trait that would automatically disqualify him among “progressives”.

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 4, 2019 8:15 am

I agree with you Andy. While I’m not condoning what he has done, the territory that he has grabbed off for Russia is all territory that was historically part of Russia and territory where the majority of the people are ethnic Russians. The old Soviet borders were pretty arbitrary.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 9:28 am

True, and at one time Russia and a large part of Ukraine were all one territory under Czarist rule. Not an excuse, but an explanation of actions. The borders that existed at the dissolution of USSR were created opportunistically under soviet rule, presumably with the naive expectation that such a socialist paradise would exist either unchanged, or, more likely, greatly enlarged till the end of time. Reality bit them hard on the sitting muscle.

Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 9:59 am

You have no idea what you are talking about. The communists moved possibly millions of Ukrainians from Eastern Ukraine to create the very situation that Putin is now taking advantage of. The Crimean Tatars were similarly exported. Anywhere in Europe, country boundaries have shifted over history. If you go back to Kievan Rus, then much of Russia should be part of Ukraine. If the intent is to create stability in Europe then Putin can’t be allowed to revive Russian imperialism, silly appeals to fake history notwithstanding.

Reply to  BCBill
October 4, 2019 11:17 am

OK, “If the intent is to create stability in Europe then Putin can’t be allowed to revive Russian imperialism”. Um, are you going to stop him?

John Tillman
Reply to  BCBill
October 4, 2019 12:37 pm

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the tsars also moved many ethnic Russians into East Ukraine to work in the mines and growing industries there.

Khrushchev, Brezhnev and other Soviet leaders came from such recent Russian immigrant families to the Ukraine. Brezhnev’s parents were from Kursk Region, Russia, but he was born in the Ukraine. Khrushchev was born in Kursk Region, but close to the Ukrainian border. His dad worked in the Donbas, and the family moved there when Nikita was a teenager.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  BCBill
October 4, 2019 5:31 pm

Bill, you do know that Khrushchev gave Crimea as a gift to Ukraine? It was not anticipated That’s recent history. I grew up with Ukrainian friends on the Canadian Prairies and I’m totally sympathetic about the ~ 3 million who died in famine because of Stalin, but this is a modest percentage of the 50+million that SOB killed across the whole country. Not one Russian family is without tragedy in this history. History is important, not just selected parts.

John Tillman
Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 10:28 am

While I agree with his comments on Greta, Putin has committed far more crimes than just land grabs and setting up puppet states. He has prolonged the war in Syria via various means and backed Iran in its proxy wars. He has armed China and supported regimes in North Korea and Venezuelka. He has restarted the nuclear arms race. He has murdered and imprisoned dissidents. He has stifled the economy of Russia and stolen hundreds of billions of dollars from its people.

Yet they vote for him because of his masterful championing of Russian nationalism and traditional values.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 10:57 am

Anschluss and the Sudetenland in 1938. Schleswig and Hanseatic Lubeck in the 1920s and 30s. Last and final demands. These had many sympathisers outsidd Ger

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 4, 2019 12:44 pm

Yes, if the Russians keep acting like the Germans under Hitler then it’s likely to lead to tens of millions of dead Russians, tens of millions dead in neighboring countries, and the forcible relocation of tens of millions more back to Russia proper. Just as happened over seven decades ago. Hopefully either Putin or his successors learn from history rather than just thinking they need to finesse it better than Hitler did, but I have no confidence in that happening.

Reply to  Marty
October 4, 2019 8:40 pm

Hitler also was one who grabbed territory where the majority were ethnic Germans.

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 4, 2019 11:40 am

” he is not stupid, and he doesn’t seem to act without significant forethought”

Most western politicians can’t see past the next election cycle while Putin is playing the long game. That, his obvious intelligence and goals for Russia is what makes Putin a very dangerous man.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Darrin
October 4, 2019 1:39 pm

“…makes Putin a very dangerous man.”

I would say that ignorance is also dangerous, as in the Democrat politicians are dangerous.
Socialism is dangerous, to 90% of the population of a country.
Stupidity is dangerous to everybody within a 3 mile radius.

Putin is intelligent, you’re scared of him because he has a plan and he’s considered it carefully. Worse than that, he is successfully implementing his plan. Something a Western politician would be envious of.

John Bell
October 4, 2019 6:53 am

She comes from the land of the ice and snow, from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the blob will drive her ship to the US, fight the skeptics, scold and cry.
The crazies they are coming!
Always acting with scary stories, her only goal is stop the C02.
Sung to the tune of “The Immigrant Song” by Led Zeppelin
Someone please do a better job than this.

Reply to  John Bell
October 4, 2019 7:51 am

You gotta do an audio of that! Totally awesome

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  John Bell
October 4, 2019 9:35 am

“where the hot springs blow”
I currently live in Sweden, but have not been so fortunate to see them. Did you think of Iceland?
Apart from that – great!

James A. Schrumpf
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 4, 2019 3:20 pm

Let him go, he’s on a roll.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 5, 2019 6:46 am

You mean like when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?

October 4, 2019 6:58 am

He’s talking his book.
The young people are the moral force, the scientists are the technical force.
Don’t discount the moral force – it represents courage and the impetus to action.
Action is needed. Solutions are coming online. Connect the moral with the technical.

Follow the $ and stop taking lead from a billionaire talking his book.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 7:11 am

If you actually did “follow the money” you would be disillusioned where it leads – to “pig trough” billionaires trying to cash in on guaranteed profits through forcing worthless products like windmills and solar panels down people’s throats, while they at the same time use their wealth to buy up fossil fuel interests at reduced prices so they will have more wealth and control when, inevitably, fossil fuels are employed to fix the damage the “renewable” stupidity has done.

And there are no “solutions,” because there is no “problem” to begin with.

Reply to  AGW is not Science
October 4, 2019 7:50 am

Go live in any major city in Asia and tell me there is no problem.
You don’t want there to be a problem, ok, there is no problem. You have already decided so the argument ends there despite enormous evidence that human activity is seriously degrading the planet micro and macro.

John Endicott
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:32 am

Yes, there is a pollution problem in many major Asian cities – real pollution the kind that you don’t need Greta’s magic CO2 seeing eyes to see. Pollution, however, is not the same thing as CO2. That you conflate the two shows how ignorant you are about the subject.

Reply to  John Endicott
October 4, 2019 8:57 am

Poor Navid doesn’t get that the city slums are city slums no matter what the CO2 level is.

Navid a history lesson for you .. note the date

Pollution in a city on the same scale in the pre-industrial range.

Leaves only one viable solution get rid of all the humans and I will go after you, trust me 🙂

Reply to  John Endicott
October 4, 2019 10:34 am

I never conflated the two, in fact I didnt even bring up the topic of CO2 specifically.
You are inventing an argument and everyone can see you doing it. People calling others ignorant on the drop of a dime based on a few lines of text?

Why are you so angry?

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
October 4, 2019 12:38 pm

The whole anti-fossil fuel impetuous is predicated upon the “evils” of CO2 and the “need” to reduce CO2 because of the “danger” it poses to the planet – and as anti-fossil fuel replace them with renewables anti-CO2 saint Greta is at the heart of the discussion and you were responding to a poster who was talking about renewables and fossil fuels – well pardon me for thinking you actually understood the conversation that was going on when you made your reply. I see now you wish everyone to believe you were making a non-sequitur about pollution rather responding to the topic at hand (you know the push to replace fossil fuels with renewable due to CO2 as a “green house gas”) (BTW everyone sees what *you* are doing trying to pretend you were talking about something other than what was being discussed).

So lets get you on record:
what is the “problem you speak of” if it’s not CO2 (which is the problem Greta was talking about that Putin was responding to)?
what is the action needed and does it or does it not involved CO2 and the reduction of CO2 emissions (which is the action Greta was pushing for that Putin was responding to)?
what are the “solutions you speak of” and do they or do they not involve reducing/eliminating CO2 emissions?
and if any of the above answers involve CO2, what does your non-sequitur about pollution in Asian cities have to do with anything?

(and FYI, people disagreeing with you and pointing out your ignorance is *not* a sign of them being “angry” no matter how much it might make you feel better about your ignorance to think that it does).

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
October 7, 2019 5:06 am

Navid won’t go on the record to answer the questions put to him. I’m as shock as Captain Renault was to find gambling going on in Rick’s bar.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:37 am

Are you stupid, or just being disingenuous Navid? Seriously, just go away. We all know what snake oil you are trying to peddle.

John Endicott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 7, 2019 9:10 am

I’m guessing a little from column A and a little from column B 🙂

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:42 am

What’s Your Fallacy? RED HERRING.

Air pollution that you are talking about in Asia is a completely different topic than CAGW that Greta was screaming about. Either you are being disingenuous, or you are truly uninformed. Better take your goofy nonsense to a different blog where the readers don’t know any better.

Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
October 5, 2019 6:29 pm

Whats more, if someone here disagreeing with the nonsense statement you (Navid) have made makes you react the way you did (Why are so angry?) you better find other blog to visit or grow a pair.

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:49 am

” despite enormous evidence that human activity is seriously degrading the planet ”

Yet you cannot reference any of that evidence because it doesn’t exist.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 11:30 am

“AGW is not science” was responding Greta Thunberg and her claims that CO2 is causing catastrophic warming that will destroy the world. That is the “problem” being discussed, not the real pollution that you talk about. So your response is a non-sequitur and an attempt to change the discussion (possibly to confuse other people following this discussion).

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 6:58 pm

Olympic class goal post moving.
Yes there are problems in many Asian cities. However none of those problems are being caused by CO2.

While there is environmental degradation, once again, none of it is being caused by CO2.
Actually more use of fossil fuels would allow the poor areas of the world to become rich enough to start cleaning up their environments, just as the west did decades ago.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 9:36 pm

If you pay attention, one reason skeptics are unhappy with the spending on schemes to “fix: the climate by trying to reduce CO2 production, is that it has sucked up virtually every dollar that might go towards actual environmental problems that could be addressed and probably fixed for a fraction of the dollars and attention.
You will also discover that in general we are very concerned about the environment.
More so, apparently, than people who insist we spend ourselves into poverty trying to fix something that aint broken.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 5, 2019 7:52 pm

“Navid Sadikali October 4, 2019 at 7:50 am

You have already decided so the argument ends there despite enormous evidence that human activity is seriously degrading the planet micro and macro.”

I’d like to see that evidence because, as far as I can tell, most of the world’s developed nations are cleaner now then they were 200 years ago. In London for instance, you only need go back as far at the 1950’s to know the air there is cleaner now.

Leo Morgan
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 7:22 am

Profound ignorance may equal innocence, but it isn’t morality.

Eric H
Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 7:27 am

Please inform us of what action is needed? What “solutions” are coming online?

The money that you speak of, the majority of it is on the green side. Windmills, solar panels, batteries, etc. ALL have a higher industrial waste and eco impact than coal, oil, and gas. Bacteria can break down all three of these over time to mitigate impact. There is no natural solution to heavy metal/rare earth pollution/contamination. When all of these giant batteries start dying and the generators on the windmills fail….where does the waste go? Recycling is currently pretty much non existent.

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 7:53 am

Navid sadikali

The youth, morals? Really? Which scientists? The same ones who have lied since at least 1966? What solutions? Solar and wind? Unicef stated this year in a report, that at least 40 thousand Congolese children are working in colbolt mines, all for batteries for people living in the western and european world.. Why don’t the greens send their children or destroy their own lands for materials? Trillions stolen in the “climate” scam yet every green person I’ve seen uses fossil fuels, from buying food at a store to using public transportation, they use phones, computers etc etc…. Once the climate scammers go totally offline, wear vegan clothes, dig their own water wells, take care of their own sanitation, and grown their own foods, I will believe that the weather has changed. PS, the earths weather always changes, and its not co2 that changes it…

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:09 am

The best plan to connect the “moral” with the “technical” is to educate the “moral” sector to understand the actual consequences of their actions and not their feelings. They need a better understanding of the way systems actually perform so they can unlearn their “intuition” which has been serving them so badly.

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:09 am

What gives the young “moral force”? Your wishes don’t create reality.
Why do we need solutions to a problem that doesn’t exist?
A climate alarmist telling people to not follow the lead of billionaires. The ironies abound.

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 8:12 am

I love the concept of the youth being the moral force 🙂

So now the young who have historically always rebelled against the system are suddenly going to be the worlds moral force, what could possibly go wrong.

Only a very young person would be stupid enough to think that.

Reply to  Navid Sadikali
October 4, 2019 10:00 am

Sorry dude, scientists are not the technical force. Engineers are the technical force. Never, ever, ever, let a scientist do anything which affects the well being of the public. There are bloody huge holes in their knowledge and skill sets.

Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 6:59 am

This is from the London Times yesterday: although Russia ratified the Paris climate agreement last month, Mr Putin says that climate change is not man-made. He has also expressed scepticism about some forms of alternative energy, saying that wind turbines killed birds and disturbed worms, for which he was widely mocked by Russians despite a law against insulting officials.
I want to know why Russia ratified the Paris agreement despite Putin saying that climate change is not man-made? Anyone know?
Interesting also that the Russians have the only model which even approximates to the real global temperature

M Courtney
Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 7:33 am

It costs nothing to ratify the Paris agreement. It’s not as though the Russian Government is going to be sued in the Russian Courts for not doing anything about it.

And there is a clear competitive and diplomatic advantage in applying moral pressure to do something that will handicap them.

Reply to  M Courtney
October 4, 2019 8:59 am

You leave out, try getting access to the country to verify any data 🙂

Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 7:36 am

Cris Q,

Russia formally joins Paris climate agreement;

“The country’s climate pledge is however notoriously weak, with Climate Action Tracker labelling it as “critically insufficient””


Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 8:04 am

Keep in mind that Russia was funding eco-climate believer organizations pushing climate change and desperate fossil fuel reductions.

Russia was not funding those groups because they believe in the causes. Russia is funding divisiveness and economy wrecking politics.

John Endicott
Reply to  ATheoK
October 4, 2019 8:37 am

Indeed. Russia (and Putin) does not give a fig about so-called climate change. They see through it for the sham that it is, however they also see it as the opportunity to get the west to hobble itself economically (thus giving an economic advantage to Russia) – so it does Russia no harm to sign-up to an agreement that asks very little of themselves but much more of the west and it gives them a PR club to beat the west with.

Reply to  ATheoK
October 4, 2019 9:18 am

Could you provide some links documenting your assertion?

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 9:02 am


Developing countries are set to receive/promised big money from rich countries if they sign. Plus it doesn’t cost anything to agree with a pen, and there are no firm requirements for being a signatory. Nothing to lose, in other words.

When Russia refused on scientific grounds to sigh the Kyoto Protocol the EU offered them seven billion Euros if they did, to pay for any actions that might be needed. They took the money and signed. Where’s the money now?

If you join a club that costs nothing and might hand you one or two pallets of hard currency where’s the down side? Integrity? That’s for sale too.

Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 9:20 am

I don’t know about Paris, but Kyoto was ratified by Russia and China because both were working off of really old and high emissions baselines.
Between the de-industrialization in the ex-Soviet Union and the huge population in China, there’s plenty of room for normal energy use at modern efficiencies – unlike the West.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 4, 2019 11:54 am

They ratified it so they would be invited to the parties.. err, sorry, I mean conferences ..

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris Quartermaine
October 5, 2019 7:57 pm

Might it be Putin sees Russia making huge profits from gas supply to the EU (IIRC the EU zone gets something like 80% of it’s gas from Russia. Not a clever situation to be in IMO) knowing “climate policy” will cause energy costs to rise drastically?

John Bell
October 4, 2019 7:00 am

Anyone see this? there is SO MUCH wrong with it, it is really funny…the HYPOCRISY
“The talk”about CC

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  John Bell
October 4, 2019 8:47 am

I actually thought it was satirizing climate Belief at first. This seems to be their latest mantra now though: that “the kids” are now the adults in the room regarding “climate change”. So wrong, that it is funny.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 4, 2019 9:46 am

We need to set mandatory retirement age for politicians to 21. I am all for this. By the time it becomes a real thing I will be dead. We can set minimum age for congress critter at 10, Temple Monkey at 14, and Puppet in Chief to 15. Then children can run the world on Strategies learned from Spongebob Squarepants, Beverly Hills 90210, and Marvel Comics.

You have to laugh. They think Global Warming is going to get them. What a knee slapper. If they rule the world everybody is going to starve to death, if they don’t first die from exposure due to an inability to mitigate extreme weather conditions. Their immune systems will be compromised already from malnutrition. Let them hunt dog.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  John Bell
October 4, 2019 11:35 am

These people have been watching too much South Park. Don’t they know that the theme of “the children are smarter than the adults” in that show is just satire? Man they are stupid, or maybe they just never grew up.

Patrick Hrushowy
October 4, 2019 7:07 am

Excuse me, …it is the billionaires financing Greta!

Reply to  Patrick Hrushowy
October 4, 2019 9:31 am

With trillions of dollars in redistributive change annually in play, and, assuming authenticity, liberal doses of what may be characterized as noble cause corruption.

Reply to  Patrick Hrushowy
October 4, 2019 11:13 am

Well, I don’t deny that they are, but does anybody know which billionaires are funding Greta? It’s not a rhetorical question – I genuinely want to know.

Reply to  Disputin
October 4, 2019 12:32 pm

Soros, for one – Lovely picture of Greta with George. I believe I saw the photo here in comments on WUWT on one of the several ‘Greta’ threads. I think someone also commented on which Soros organization provided some funding.

Anyhow, it’s pretty clear that Greta isn’t funding her activities from the profits of her lemonade stand.

Reply to  Disputin
October 4, 2019 3:19 pm

Try This:

Reply to  Disputin
October 4, 2019 3:26 pm
Al Miller
October 4, 2019 7:19 am

Well, yeah, why do we need to rely on Russian and Chinese leaders to state the obvious? I really look to forward to the day when some people in the west stand up, pour some concrete in their spines and say NO!

Reply to  Al Miller
October 4, 2019 8:41 am

It is catching Australian PM Scott Morrison let spray at the UN and other NGO’s.

It is the first time I have actually heard an Australian PM say that much of the junk sprouting from these unaccountable internationalist bureaucracies is not in Australia’s interest. A view that will resonate with a large proportion of the nation and send shudders thru the left.

I think what is clear is the World is walking back to we are a world of Sovereign Nations and only with consent of those nations do global rights exist.

It kills the ultimate socialist utopia that somehow being born gave you equal rights to everything in the world.

October 4, 2019 7:20 am

Thank you Vladimir! We need to call out this climate cult.

R.S. Brown
October 4, 2019 7:32 am

I’m wondering why the crew of the ship that brought Greta to the shores of
North America scampered away before they could be interviewed about their
shared ocean crossing experience with the Swedish canary.

Was there some sort of non-disclosure agreement involved?

Does the canary have a fear of flying ?

Inquiring minds want to know…

Joel Snider
October 4, 2019 7:44 am

Well, when he’s right, he’s right. Probably the most succinct description I’ve heard.

But that was never the point – she’s been put out there as a figurehead for other poorly informed teenagers, to get them emotionally involved and to make sure they stay that way.

Gary Pearse
October 4, 2019 7:45 am

A lot of high profile people have been quietly moving to Russia which is basically the only advanced country remaining preserving European culture. The World Cup soccer event there had resounding positive reviews from everyone from around the world on the culture, the friendly people, the cuisine, the grandeur …a good place to get away from the ugly néomarxiste crap and the pain of watching the decline and fall of Europe …Steven Seagal, French actor Gerard Depardieu and numerous others.

Please don’t raise the “freedom” issue given what is occuring in EU, Canada (and were it not for D. Trump intervening) the US.


Michael Burns
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 4, 2019 9:25 am

The largest exodus of young minds and young people has been on quietly going on behind the scenes. The brain drain is enormous.

Mikhail Khodorkovsky is/was the beginning of this exodus. He is a hero to young entrepreneurs and IT geeks that wished to start their own. In fact, his exile to Switzerland has been about starting and financing of those young exiles. And the beginning of true democracy in Russia.

Young scientists, mainly communications and Web and IT specialists, engineers, medical professionals, the lists go on, have fled the dictatorship of Vladimir Putin.

You might say: Putin is a democracy with a decoration of opposition. He will never leave power, and things are worse since his arrival.

The new digital Iron curtain rises around the Russian Federation and he is inventing his own Internet. Putin is a paranoid conspiracy theorist, a prodigy of Yuri Andropov — a Stalinist and one of the last leaders of the USSR — Putin has caused a lot of the problems we see in the west with rising polarity and volatile foreign geopolitics with the middle east.

“THE EXODUS FROM RUSSIA AND ITS MEANING; How the Government System of Oppression Is Affecting the Countries Which Are Receiving the Steady Stream of Russian Refugees” — New York Times

“State Within A State” — Yevgenia Albats
“The New Cold War” — Edward Lucas
“Stalin, Vols 1&2” — Steven Kotkin
“Red Notice” — Bill Browder

You might start here… These are among a few that might enlighten your ignorance of this mad man.

Have you paying attention to Venezuela and the ‘Little Green Men’? Do you understand Syria and the reason for its destruction? Libya, the CAR (Central African Republic), Yemen, Iran?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Michael Burns
October 4, 2019 6:05 pm

So Michael, you are a partial victim of ” progressive” propaganda in your extreme views. I’m not going to seek opinions from the corrupted NYT. But a big takeaway from your “all-in” rant is your unwitting recognition of the sterling quality of the Russian people, their education, their culture, scientific legacy, their arts. Where did that come from? Essentially, they are up for the competition anywhere they choose to go.

Oh, and, ‘Freedom’ in the west! Yeah we had it in spades. We even invented it. But three generations of dumbing down by “progressive” ‘elites and softening the minds for a néomarxiste centralized global gov. Your recital was very telling and familiar and calling me ignorant, too.

Killer Marmot
October 4, 2019 7:47 am

Oh my god, I’m agreeing with Putin, one of world’s biggest autocrats.

October 4, 2019 7:52 am

Global warming strikes in UK…

Freezing to death: Unheated homes killed over 16,000 people across UK last winter, govt watchdog finds
Over winter 2017-18, we estimate that fuel poverty may have contributed to 5,500 excess winter deaths and that 16,500 excess winter deaths may have been linked to people living in cold homes.

October 4, 2019 8:12 am

The more they worshipped their iconic climate changer in Greta the more they were exposing themselves in her image for all to see. They don’t get the bit about not working with kids and animals in showbiz.

Flight Level
October 4, 2019 8:21 am

Russia has serious intentions to extend it’s prospection to the north.

Unimaginable to our standards heavy amphibians, flying boats, workhorse and VIP aircraft, choppers, explorer’s heavy mobile homes with outrageous survival capabilities, a whole industry running h24 to barely cope with the demand.

So I can only envision what response Greta or anyone would get if they were to hold a climate cease and desist townhall campaign in Norilsk and further north.

Michael Burns
October 4, 2019 8:35 am

The Russian Federation has a shadow economy running at 43% of the Russian Federation GDP. That is controlled by the KGB which has never gone away but runs the RF and its satellites — yes there are still satellites. When the USSR fell Putin and his minions, the golden boys of Yuri Andropov moved in and stole trillions from Russia.

Mikhail Borisovich Khodorkovsky is one of those who would know, he served ten years in jail — Gulag — in Siberia and Putin and his Moscow mob stole what Mikhail built. Khodorkovsky bought and built YUKOS after the fall — which now rebranded really ass the infamous Rosneft.
The Russians have been in an expansionist policy since Putin arrived — Syria, Iran, North Korea — look to Russia and the dictator Vladimir Putin who will never leave office in his lifetime. Who has served in the capacity of President or Prime Minister since Yeltsin?

Dig deep enough into Global Warming and you will find Putin’s signature on that subversion and financing of such idiocracy. There is a well paid for fifth column alive and well in North America that believes the Kremlin and Putin can do no wrong. The reality manufacturing machine that keeps what you stated alive is well-financed.

Putin is a zero-sum game master, and so… the beat goes on. He says one thing but behind the scenes, he will invest in such nonsense. He will exploit what Greta and the UN and IPCC do in the west

Why? because he hates the west and blames it for the fall of the USSR.

The Russian economy is dependent on oil and gas, Syria is his building of an energy grid to undermine the EU.

Putin plays both sides of this issue — after all he is the implementor of the ‘fifth directive’ in eastern Europe after Andropov invented it as a state directive.

Stalin is his god, Andropov is his spiritual master.

Reply to  Michael Burns
October 4, 2019 8:45 am

You think China isn’t playing both sides of Climate Change?
You think those deemed Developing Nations aren’t playing both sides of Climate Change?

The only ones who don’t get to play both sides are Developed Western Democracies.

Michael Burns
Reply to  LdB
October 4, 2019 9:36 am

I agree wholeheartedly, the whole idea of BRICS is about domination.
Strange how St Greta has not made a peep about China, and close to 35%-40% of world pollution, and that terribly poisonous gas Co2 (sic) are emitted by their vast industrial and technological behemoth.

Climate change is about big, big business and competition in the west and rising developing nations supported by the BRICS.

The IPPC is about global dominance and becoming/continuing world government.

John Endicott
Reply to  Michael Burns
October 7, 2019 7:29 am

For someone who can “see” CO2, it’s funny how she doesn’t seem to notice it when it comes out of China.

Steve Z
October 4, 2019 8:40 am

I hate to admit it but I actually agree with Vladimir Putin on this statement.

Does that make me guilty of Russian collusion?

Reply to  Steve Z
October 4, 2019 9:43 am

Even a failed time-piece tells the right time on occasions and look good.

Reply to  Steve Z
October 4, 2019 7:02 pm

This falls into the “and Hitler loved his mother” category.

That two human beings have something they can agree on hardly makes them allies.

John Endicott
Reply to  Steve Z
October 7, 2019 9:15 am

That depends Steve Z on if would you consider yourself on the right side of the political spectrum (In which case it’s definitely Russian collusion and the democrats will spend years and millions of taxpayer dollars for a report that fails to prove it) or on the left side of the political spectrum (In which case, of course it’s not Russian collusion, and wouldn’t be even if you actually were caught bragging about how you colluded with Ukraine Russia).

Shoki Kaneda
October 4, 2019 8:57 am

Putin is not my favorite guy, but when a man is right, it should be acknowledged.

Michael Burns
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
October 4, 2019 9:45 am

I agree to a point but in regards to what he said, and what has gone on before with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
In the words of Nietzche, I would say… ” I am not upset that you lied to me, I am upset that from now on I can’t trust you”

John Endicott
Reply to  Michael Burns
October 7, 2019 9:27 am

Technically, Nietzche didn’t say that. It’s derived from what he wrote in beyond good and evil
” Nicht dass du mich belogst, sodern Dass ich dir nicht mehr glaube, hat mich erschuttert” translated as “I am affected, not because you have deceived me, but because I can no longer believe in you”

Of course, as a Doctor Who fan, I prefer the version that Marco Polo says to Ian Chesterton:
“Ian, don’t you see it doesn’t matter to me why you lied. What is important is the fact that you are capable of lying.”

Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 8:59 am

Well, we know the communists/socialists are behind the global warming scam and Greta Thunberg, so the question is why would Putin publicly disparage her? It’s obviously a ruse. (Or maybe the communists aren’t really manipulating behind the scene). Still it’s fascinating to see people who normally attack lefties fawning over a communist leader when he says something you agree with.

Russia will be one of the major beneficiaries of global warming.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:21 am

Ugh. Russia isn’t Communist or Socialist, and hasn’t been for just about a generation.

Michael Burns
Reply to  c1ue
October 4, 2019 10:15 am

Russia is a KGB kleptocracy. That sows the seed of Socialist Unity politics all over the world. If you research all Unity parties you find a Russian bear has been in the neighbourhood.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:24 am

I wouldn’t call Putin a ‘communist leader’. He behaves more like a nationalist autocrat.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:26 am

Soviet? That’s archaic. Russia is not communist. That said, the principal beneficiaries of the prophecy are Green Blight, democratic gerrymanderers, redistributive changers, and China et al where the industry begins and ends its life cycle.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:41 am

Does he speak truth to facts or facts to truth? Order matters. Whether Russia, China, America, Germany, South Africa, etc. will benefit from the prophecy of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is a separate consideration.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:51 am

You obviously don’t get the “playing both sides” thing.
Dense much?
Agreeing with something he said is not “fawning over”. Nice try.
Russia may or may not benefit from any future warming. So what? Man has no control over it, and you’re an idiot if you think he does.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:52 am

Putin isn’t a communist or a socialist?

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 9:56 am

“so the question is why would Putin publicly disparage her?”

You don’t want amateur kids muscling in on the show trials lest it gives them a bad name. Strictly AO and carefully managed.

Michael Burns
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 10:05 am

Touche’ Good question.
You and I are on a similar stream of consciousness. I was wondering about the same thing.

Having studied Putin since the beginning, it unusual for him to even speak about it.
Granted Russia has a large number of its eggs in one basket, many of those eggs are about hydrocarbons.
Putin covets Venezuela — the energy grid he established surrounding and through the EU. That vast sweet gas field that he has financed, shared by Iran and Qatar (South Pars/North Dome Gas Condensate field) which is really what Syria is about; his Arctic explorations and drilling in the unexplored and some of those newly minted and top-secret oil fields in the north.

The tag team match; Russia supplying the economic engine of China, which purchases energy at any cost and needs a steady supply of energy, and is running its economic engine at about 45% of total capability. They have cities built that they have not used yet. The New Silk Road…

Inquiring minds wish to know, lol.

Reply to  Tom Foley
October 4, 2019 6:27 pm

Tom thinks he’s clever……..

October 4, 2019 9:24 am

Put a 90% tax on Climate Change windfall profits (this is a war like WWII after all).
This will die a quick quiet death.

Michael Burns
Reply to  Neo
October 4, 2019 10:09 am

Can you flesh that out a bit? are you speaking about greenwash economics?

October 4, 2019 10:00 am

Global warming thumping down in the US-

US- “Now snowing in 8 states and 5 provinces – In September”


October 4, 2019 10:02 am


Greta now campaigning in…Iowa.


How many tons of CO^2 has she emitted this year?

How many electoral does Iowa have?

The US Secretary of Education must insist that Greta’s visa be revoked on the grounds of missing way too much school. She needs to go back.

John Tillman
Reply to  john
October 4, 2019 12:42 pm

Iowa has six electoral votes, but plays an outsized role in selecting presidential candidates, thanks to its early caucuses. We have Iowa to thank for Jimmy Carter, for instance.

Reply to  John Tillman
October 4, 2019 1:09 pm

Glad you enjoyed my sarcasm. I was touching on election interference by swede nationals upon invite of democrats.

Sweden has also banned lobsters from Maine.

John Tillman
Reply to  john
October 4, 2019 2:10 pm

Wonder if she has already been to NH, and will bless SC and NV with her saintly presence?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  John Tillman
October 4, 2019 1:53 pm

Nah, Iowas’ pretend primary plays second fiddle to New Hampshire’s first-in-the-nation Primary, about 1 week later. That doesn’t stop Iowa from trying to make their pretend primary more like a real primary, but they always get blocked.

Reply to  John Tillman
October 4, 2019 8:22 pm

We should swap Iowa for Greenland with Denmark.

Kevin A
October 4, 2019 10:03 am

“Poorly Informed Teenager”
More like 16 years of child abuse

Michael Burns
Reply to  Kevin A
October 4, 2019 4:17 pm

To a point, we could say yes Kevin. But, she is a spoilt autistic child who has always had her way and badgered her mother to stop flying Internationally as an opera singer. Her father is a second rate actor now managing her — the best role he ever had. Greta is manufactured by powerful interests. And there is huge IKEA money behind her.

She as an Asperger who lives in a cyclical fight or flight emotional stance with a hair-trigger. How do I know this? Because I am one and know the nature…

Both parents are environmentalists and her Grandfather was the distant relative of Svante August Arrhenius, who studies in chemistry and physics lead to the connection of the greenhouse effect being substantiated by CO2. He was studying Ice Ages and developing theory — so there is a weird connection to climate and this new religion in her family, and she knows this… and will exploit this as she is exploited. She is intelligent, it is her emotional capacity for tolerance that is a weakness. do not underestimate how bright this kid is…

“In developing a theory to explain the ice ages, Arrhenius, in 1896, was the first to use basic principles of physical chemistry to calculate estimates of the extent to which increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) will increase Earth’s surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.[3][22][23] These calculations led him to conclude that human-caused CO2 emissions, from fossil-fuel burning and other combustion processes, are large enough to cause global warming.” –Wiki

…in the end, she is a bully and is disinformed, and hyperfocused on this issue.

The guy to look to is Ingmar Rentzhog he is Al Gore’s Frankenstein. She is Rentzhog’s Frankenstein.

October 4, 2019 10:11 am

The problem is that the little girl might just get it right. The hunger years are here. In ten years, that girl and the Extinction Rebellion Club may come to take the reign because they have really let people believe that the coming droughts and the ensuing famines are not natural… it is not the fault of nature, it is YOUR fault….[Click on my name to read my report – I like to hear what you think]

Reply to  HenryP
October 4, 2019 8:19 pm

Your report would be better without all the religious-based statements.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
October 5, 2019 7:14 am

You are free to cut and paste it, as you please,
main thing is that the msg gets passed on, so people can begin planning.
Do your best. The evidence for the droughts that are coming is overwhelming.

Reply to  HenryP
October 5, 2019 7:17 am

Very good. And ignore Jorge.

Reply to  F.LEGHORN
October 5, 2019 8:02 am


October 4, 2019 11:26 am

During World War 2, Russia took the leading role to stop Hitler. The unbearable situation of so many people came to an end because of Russia’s intervention.

We are urging again to Russia to stop the mess of the western world relating to CO2. After the second world war, human civilization did never face a similar crisis. So much oppression of so many people, ruining careers of so many promising scientists, leading the science of climate to a completely wrong direction by the propaganda-led false alarm. Now media, universities all are captured by that superpower with one particular agenda. Huge monetary funds are involved to organise and mobilise that false agenda and mislead people.

Putin and Russia please take the initiative! Save us all from that same Hitler-like mean attitude lead by strong will-power and controlling attitude!! Please HELP!

John Tillman
Reply to  Mark
October 4, 2019 12:40 pm

Actually, the USSR was allied with Hitler in starting World War II in 1939, splitting Poland between them, then invading the Baltics, Finland and other parts of Eastern Europe. Stalin only switched sides after his ally turned on him in 1941.

Reply to  Mark
October 4, 2019 7:05 pm

The majority of the fighting between Russians and Germans was to push the German army out of Russian territory.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
October 7, 2019 7:16 am

Indeed, if Russia hadn’t had to fight off a German invasion starting in 1941, there would be no so-called “Russian intervention” as Russia would have remained an Ally of Germany (reaping the benefit of ceded Eastern Europe territory) rather than join the other side in the war.

John Endicott
Reply to  Mark
October 7, 2019 5:17 am

Mark, intervention makes it sound like Russia joined from a position of having no stake in the matter prior. The fact is Russia was, in the very beginning, on the same side as Hitler (In 1939 they divide Poland between them). Ever hear of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact? or the German–Soviet Frontier Treaty?

It wasn’t until after Germany launched a surprise attack on Russia in June of 1941 that the Russians because an enemy of the Axis and joined the Allies (or “intervened” as you euphemistically put it).

October 4, 2019 11:38 am

Putin speaks better on his feet than his underling servant Trump…but Trump’s reaction to Greta was more effective…Trump basically ignored her with a short bland off topic statement.

By ignoring the Climate Fraud, Trump reduces the reaction that the usual useful idiots would launch against him. All the Alarmist’s efforts haven’t moved the needle significantly so far (forget polls…just look around and see what people are doing).

Turns out that Chicken Little is not a very good political spokesman.

I don’t see any adults talking or acting like they are really concerned.

October 4, 2019 11:51 am

It is such a shame to see top Climate Scientists and politicians feel so proud to photograph with Greta. They even post those photos in twitter thinking that it will raise their profile. Scientists want to show that they are with the same camp and hence more funding. What a society we are heading!

October 4, 2019 1:31 pm
October 4, 2019 1:35 pm

Did Greta see this?


Lets do a running daily calculate of her emissions from the start of her trip to when she arrives home

October 4, 2019 1:41 pm

Here is Greta’s travel plans after she departs the US. She will be on this vacation for at least 9 months and will not be returning to school for at least that amount of time.


Every country that she travels to should chech to see what they were paid in each country for taxation purposes and verify if they have WORK visas.

Reply to  john
October 4, 2019 2:01 pm

Here is Greta’s travel plans after she departs the US. She will be on this vacation for at least 9 months and will not be returning to school for at least that amount of time.


Every country that she travels to should chech to see what they were paid in each country for taxation purposes and verify if they have WORK visas.

Let’s also look at how much carbon was generated making the Yacht she came across in and how much carbon will be generated for the owners crew to fly to the US to retrieve said yacht.

Malizia II is an IMOCA 60 monohull sailing yacht, designed by VPLP and Guillaume Verdier and constructed by Multiplast in France.[1][2]

Malizia II
Other names
Gitana 16
VPLP design, Guillaume Verdier
Multiplast, Vannes
Racing career
Boris Herrmann
The boat served as a transport vessel for Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, who sailed across the North Atlantic Ocean from Plymouth to New York City in August 2019 without causing carbon dioxide emissions. France 24 reported that several crew would fly to New York to take the yacht back to Europe.[3] The trip was led by Boris Herrmann. Thunberg’s crossing of the Atlantic started on 14 August 2019, and concluded on 28 August.[4] The value of the boat has been estimated to be around 4 million pounds.[5]

At this time she has no idea how she is getting home. Does deportation sound reasonable?

Abolition Man
October 4, 2019 2:06 pm

We need to set up an exchange program for those who wish to live a low-carbon lifestyle! Let them exchange living arrangements with somebody in the Third World. I’d like to see how long the average Swede would last in South Africa! Just pack your clothes and a few personal belongings (leave your phones and computers) and you’re off to a life of excitement and adventure in Africa, Asia or South America. You can write to tell us about the wonders of a low-tech life; I’m sure many will be convinced by your example. Snarc/

It is sad that we couldn’t find a better relationship with Russia, however. After studying Russian in high school I became certain that the Russian and American peoples are very much alike; big countries with lots of ethnic diversity and natural resources. It’s our leaders that are the problem! Too bad the Clintons sold the country to the criminals and gangsters, but I guess they needed the money to set up the Global Initiative and their pay-to-play schemes. Putin may be a crook but I think he would rather work with us to rein in China than the other way around.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 4, 2019 2:31 pm

Indeed, the relationship was better during the days of Mikhail Gorbachev, ironically before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Michael Burns
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 4, 2019 4:28 pm

Strange Bruce how when Mr. Gorbachev leaves Russia on speaking tours in the west he is lauded as the great man that he is — yet under Putin, he is a sell-out to the west and a pariah. I find this terrible, he truly wanted to bring freedom to the Russians.

October 4, 2019 2:19 pm

@John Tillman on USSR and World War 2 :

What you wrote is not the complete story. Actually, Stalin wanted to attack Germany through a Polish corridor and sought France and Britain’s help to convince Poland. But they only sent mid-ranking officers to meet Stalin. Poland declined and famously said ‘With the Germans, we will lose our independence; with the Russians, we will lose our soul’ (because USSR was a socialist country). Then only Stalin was forced to sign a Non-aggression pact with Hitler.

Reply to  Mark
October 4, 2019 3:24 pm


There was no ”forced’ ‘ about it. The molotov/ Ribbentrop pact of 1939 gave a supposed 10 year breathing space in an alliance that suited both countries and broke a pact the Russians had earlier signed with the French. Not only did the Russians thereby ensure that hitler would turn his attentions elsewhere (they thought) but importantly guaranteed land in eastern Europe would be ceded to Russia.

Russie supplied parts and coal to Germany and the pact was only broken by hitler in 1941 when he attacked Russia. If hitler had not attacked there was no reason why the pact would have been broken. So their undoubted bravery at Stalingrad was only necessary due to their actions earlier in the war.

My neighbour was one of those that had to bail out the Russians when arctic warming had opened up the north east passage and supplies were sent to ice free Murmansk by the royal navy. He served on one of the ships and said how unfriendly the Russians were as they didn’t like to ask for help.


John Tillman
Reply to  Mark
October 4, 2019 5:37 pm


You overlook the decades of cooperation between Weimar Germany and the USSR on military technology, when the Treaty of Versailles limited indigenous German development. Please see 1922 Treaty of Rapallo and 1923 Treaty of Berlin.

Naturally, this cozy arrangement was upset by the USSR’s and Nazis’ supporting opposite sides in the Spanish Civil War. But then Britain guaranteed Polish sovereignty, which enraged Hitler, driving him into the arms of his fellow socialist dictator Stalin, previously allied with the German government from 1922-33.

John Tillman
Reply to  Mark
October 4, 2019 6:00 pm

Just to make sure that I understand you, you blame the victims, ie the Poles, and their desperately peace-seeking, democratic Western allies, for their brutal, murderous subjugation by the Nazis and Communists?

Is that right?

If so, may you be haunted nightly by the tens of thousands of Polish officers, the cream of the nation, its teachers, doctors, poets, musicians, scientists, murdered by Stalin, and its ordinary people, including most of the Jewish population, worked to death or exterminated by the Nazis.

John Tillman
Reply to  Mark
October 4, 2019 6:13 pm

And Stalin’s invasion and occupation of parts of Romania and Finland and all of the Baltic States, as per his secret deal with Hitler, those actions too were because of the evil Western Allies and Polish nationalists?

October 4, 2019 6:20 pm

All will be revealed…….just as soon as I figure out how to keep the skunks from underneath my shed.
I know the Israelis could do it in 2 seconds flat.
Kinda hate to use that marker.

Craig from Oz
October 5, 2019 3:19 am

“Nobody explained to Greta that the modern world is complicated, and complex, and it changes fast.”

Well they tried… but she skipped school that day.

October 5, 2019 4:49 am

Hitler was unstoppable until USSR stopped him. Battle of Stalingrad was the absolute turning point of World War 2, where Hitler experienced his first defeat.

We expect a strong role of Russia on propaganda-led Climate Change alarm. Putin’s statement on Greta is very much welcome.

John Endicott
Reply to  Mark
October 7, 2019 5:23 am

And Russia only “stopped him” because he attacked Russia first! You act like Russia fought against him out of the kindness of their hearts not because their former ally turned on them.

F. Hoffmann
October 5, 2019 5:24 am

“The enthusiasm for the boys and girls, who are suddenly “politically involved”, is pure hypocrisy. No one who has his senses together would have an appendectomy by a sixteen-year-old, whose parents donated him/her an anatomy atlas for Christmas. No one who wants to build a house for himself and his family would hire a sixteen-year-old architect who has built only sand castles so far. And no one who can distinguish a hedge fund from a home savings contract would trust a sixteen-year-old’s advice on his assets. But when it comes to the climate and the world in which we live, noisy children suddenly mutate into valued prophets of impending doom”
german journalist Henryk Broder recently wrote in the swiss WELTWOCHE. (translation via Google an partly myself, I hope it worked well). He could be right…

October 5, 2019 5:57 am

Science teacher in Iowa gets into hot water for social media post re: Greta.


He should have refrained and questioned authorities about income being derived by her and her parents for these appearances.

Reply to  john
October 5, 2019 6:06 am

Foreign nationals who are not American citizens or lawful permanent residents of the US need a work visa, as well as a permit to work, officially known as an Employment Authorization Document (EAD), in order to work in the USA.

October 5, 2019 7:43 am

Ah Greta. Here’s the take of our Belgian neighbours

October 5, 2019 10:56 am

He makes the point that people who use children deserve to be condemned. The people who are using G.T. are doing it because people who attack children are universally seen as bad. What needs to happen is for people to see that people who use children to argue their case for them are bad.

October 6, 2019 7:25 am

@John Tillman and @Tonyb:

My comments in highlighting Russia’s role in WW2 does not support, for instance, Katyn Massacre of Polish people, notorious Russian Purges. Having said that Red Army, however, rescued inmates of Auschwitz Concentration camp.

John Endicott
Reply to  Mark
October 7, 2019 7:11 am

You were blaming Poland (the victim of German and Russia aggression) for Russia’s alliance with Hitler’s Germany. John and Tonyb’s comments were fair responses to that.

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