
Glaciers Appear to be Growing, not Melting in Recent Years
By Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D.,
Founder, Lysander Spooner University
May 30, 2019. St. Mary, Montana. Officials at Glacier National Park (GNP) have begun quietly removing and altering signs and government literature which told visitors that the Park’s glaciers were all expected to disappear by either 2020 or 2030.
In recent years the National Park Service prominently featured brochures, signs and films which boldly proclaimed that all glaciers at GNP were melting away rapidly. But now officials at GNP seem to be scrambling to hide or replace their previous hysterical claims while avoiding any notice to the public that the claims were inaccurate. Teams from Lysander Spooner University visiting the Park each September have noted that GNP’s most famous glaciers such as the Grinnell Glacier and the Jackson Glacier appear to have been growing—not shrinking—since about 2010. (The Jackson Glacier—easily seen from the Going-To-The-Sun Highway—may have grown as much as 25% or more over the past decade.)
The centerpiece of the visitor center at St. Mary near the east boundary is a large three-dimensional diorama showing lights going out as the glaciers disappear. Visitors press a button to see the diorama lit up like a Christmas tree in 1850, then showing fewer and fewer lights until the diorama goes completely dark. As recently as September 2018 the diorama displayed a sign saying GNP’s glaciers were expected to disappear completely by 2020.
Video of the diorama two years ago.
But at some point during this past winter (as the visitor center was closed to the public), workers replaced the diorama’s ‘gone by 2020’ engraving with a new sign indicating the glaciers will disappear in “future generations.”
Almost everywhere, the Park’s specific claims of impending glacier disappearance have been replaced with more nuanced messaging indicating that everyone agrees that the glaciers are melting. Some signs indicate that glacial melt is “accelerating.”
A common trick used by the National Park Service at GNP is to display old black-and-white photos of glaciers from bygone years (say, “1922”) next to photos of the same glaciers taken in more recent years showing the glaciers much diminished (say, “2006”). Anyone familiar with glaciers in the northern Rockies knows that glaciers tend to grow for nine months each winter and melt for three months each summer. Thus, such photo displays without precise calendar dates may be highly deceptive.
Last year the Park Service quietly removed its two large steel trash cans at the Many Glacier Hotel which depicted “before and after” engravings of the Grinnell Glacier in 1910 and 2009. The steel carvings indicated that the Glacier had shrunk significantly between the two dates. But a viral video published on Wattsupwiththat.com showed that the Grinnell Glacier appears to be slightly larger than in 2009.
The ‘gone by 2020’ claims were repeated in the New York Times, National Geographic, and other international news sources. But no mainstream news outlet has done any meaningful reporting regarding the apparent stabilization and recovery of the glaciers in GNP over the past decade. Even local Montana news sources such as The Missoulian, Billings Gazette and Bozeman Daily Chronicle have remained utterly silent regarding this story.
(Note that since September 2015 the author has offered to bet anyone $5,000 that GNP’s glaciers will still exist in 2030, in contradiction to the reported scientific consensus. To this day no one has taken me up on my offer. –R.R.)
Additional Facebook video from Roger Roots.
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I think it’s time to start a comprehensive cataloging of agenda science on national park signage as a public service for future generations. This should not quietly fade away.
We have 25 years of National Geographic Magazine documenting climate hysteria. No other records needed.
Gamecock,
I put some personal effort into publicizing what Nat Geo was up to, with thanks to Anthony.
You see, it is insufficient to merely write that you feel sad about the way things are. You actually have to DO something that has a chance of bringing change, like writing to NatGeo. What have you done?
Why not get a group together and update the NatGeo errors to reflect what is known now, in 2019, then spread it around?
Geoff
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/31/national-geographics-warming-warning-10-years-later/
“You actually have to DO something that has a chance of bringing change, like writing to NatGeo.”
You failed. They haven’t changed. You wasted your time and effort on a lost cause.
Gamecock,
The effort did not fail if only some NatGeo staff looked at the material and wondered if there was validity to some of it. I do not know what happened. Rome was not built in a day.
Wasn’t there a report within the last few months that U.S. and European researchers were “shocked” by the fact that glaciers in Greenland were growing.
Perhaps the signs should have been replaced with this one:
“This entire park will be covered by a glacier over a mile thick during the next ice age”
This really should be documented well in order to provide high school students with project materials on the disgraceful, pathetic collaboration of so many organisations with the CO2 scaremongerers. One day, such pupils will scarcely believe such culpability and passive compliance with infantile ‘reasoning’ was so widespread. But let us hope they will be aware that WUWT existed and tried to stop it.
In the future, schoolkids will be taught about the abysmal level of scientific inquiry endemic to our time period, and they’ll regard us in the same way we regard doctors who would bleed fevers to get out the bad blood — only much worse. They’ll learn how we spent trillions of dollars chasing nonsense that had been so clearly disproven and will wonder how so many could fall for such a delusion for so long.
I suppose every generation looks back at previous generations and their silliness regarding their science, but our time will be looked at with contempt.
We visited Glacier two years ago and I read that junk and complained. Even if the glaciers weren’t increasing (or decreasing) noticeably, the tone of the information was all about us bad humans killing all the world’s glaciers. Unfortunately the people manning the counters said they had nothing to do with the information in the kiosks and dioramas, and it was the NPS we had to deal with. Good to see that someone finally got through to them.
Another one in the climate swindling bin. Why does nobody call those fraudsters out? Why is this not on national TV? How is it that climate alarmists can claim that glaciers disappear when the facts are diametrally opposed to that? Are we so degenerated that we can’t even call those liars out?
Reuse, Reduce, Recycle. Haste makes waste. Those signs may be useful in ten, twenty, one hundred years, and at irregular intervals thereafter.
Would be a great decoration for the man cave.
In the last ice age, the human population was approximately 10,000. Thank the Lird for global warming!!!
8 billion people.Nothing to thank anyone about.What a stank.
As a proxy for snowfall and temperatures you can plot the Going-to-the-Sun road opening and closing dates. Of course budgets, avalanches, WWII etc get in the way statistically, the trend is slightly later opening dates and earlier closing dates.
https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/news/upload/Logan-Pass-Open-Close-Dates_Press-Kit-6-26-2017.pdf
Has any prediction from the climate change crew come to pass? Even one?
Carbon dioxide has increased
Good heavens, these glaciers are so small that they could be saved by spray-painting the rocks along the moraines white each spring when the snow thaws.
I like to think about Pre-Clovis man sitting around their fires pontificating about the disappearance of the Laurentide Ice Sheet.
Little did they know the havoc caused by their co2 breathing fire! Unless of course their high priest, Algorquadork (who’s loin cloth was always 2 sizes too small) scattered some sacred marmot bones and saw a model of the future: Great herds of buffalo and living was easy.
Could have fixed the diorama for them with a Sharpie – just cross out the 20 in 2020 and replace with ‘??’.
https://www.mtpr.org/post/montanas-water-supply-looks-good-heading-june
Good news coming from public radio.
Maybe the Park Service should be putting up new signs stating that the “Gone by 2020” signs were gone by 2020.
This is meme material. A photo of the sign with text “gone by 2020” “- the sign”
From idea to meme:
Here’s another calculation I did that should save some hair-burning. From an article about the Fraser Glaciation in BC–
“The glacial maximum occurred between 14,000-16,000 years ago marking the glacial movement of the maximum phase (Stumpf, 2000). Between 13,000-9,000 years ago, the late glacial phase occurred, and glaciers retreated back to early glacial positions prior to the glacial maximum”
https://watershed.ucdavis.edu/education/classes/files/content/flogs/BSSlotnick.pdf
These glaciers at Fraser maximum filled BC’s fjords out to the outer coast; these fjords are over 200 miles long–and the glaciers in them retreated back in 4,000 years.
200 miles is 1,056,000 feet. Melting back that length in 4,000 years is a glacial retreat of 264 feet per year. Will someone show me a glacier in North America retreating at that rate today?
So can rapid glacial retreat occur naturally, without man?–the answer is obvious. Why then are we in a panic about modern melt-back??
Anything happening at Glacier National Park today is insignificant within the bounds of natural processes, and park officials (‘naturalists’?) really should know that. That leaves us to conjecture about the (now being removed) panic-inciting signs that Dr. Roots describes.
“The glacial maximum occurred between 14,000-16,000 years ago marking the glacial movement of the maximum phase”
No way, that would mean that the glaciation in BC was more than 5,000 years later than anywhere else, and climaxed just as melting was at a maximum everywhere else.
Please read the references, tty; this timeline is fairly well established. I did not make it up.
In addition, I have worked as a geologist extensively in glaciated terrain in western Canada, including the St. Elias mountains, the Juneau Icefields, and even doing geothermal research on the well-glaciated Mt Meager complex; in many places we are still in the Fraser Glaciation; it has not yet ended. I developed a rural property on which I live in the central Fraser Valley in SW BC; I was able to develop a shallow well when finding a spring emanating from a sliver of lateral moraine under about 6′ of glacial-marine clay, when excavating for my shop, that now produces all my water needs. My knowledge of glaciation is what caused me to recognize my water source when I uncovered it.
Honestly, this all did not occur all that long ago. And publications attesting to it can be found in the simplest of places–
“Approximately 13,000 years ago, the Late Glacial Maximum began. The end of the Younger Dryas about 11,700 years ago marked the beginning of the Holocene geological epoch, which includes the Holocene glacial retreat. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period#Pinedale_or_Fraser_glaciation,_in_the_Rocky_Mountains,_USA
Ah, that explains it. The actual dates are lifted unchanged from:
Blaise, B., Clague, J. J., & Mathewes, R. W. (1990). Time of Maximum Late Wisconsin Glaciation, West Coast of Canada. Quaternary Research, 34(03), 282–295. doi:10.1016/0033-5894(90)90041-i
Quite a good paper by the way.
However they are old uncalibrated C14 dates. So 14,000-16,000 rcybp is actually 17,000-19,300 calendar years and 13,000-9,000 rcybp is actually 15,600-10,200 calendar year.
Still slightly later than in Europe, but it is known that the much larger north american ice sheet reacted more slowly than the northern european one, and took longer to melt.
In Lillooet on the eastern side of the Fraser valley, there are talus slopes that still have glacial ice underneath them. They are used by some of the residents, who have tunneled into them for cold storage.
Rock glaciers. But they are more likely relicts of the LIA than of the Wisconsinan.
Lord Monckton proposes police involvement in a similar matter elsewhere on WUWT just now. Interesting. The inclination of people to take nil, weak or strong legalistic action over what is prima facie fraudulent conduct by public officials is variable. If the offending body was hitherto well liked, the motivation is weaker.
There should be no such pre-judgement. Fraud is fraud, no matter who does it. This park display is fraudulent. It cannot, should not be pardoned by a reluctance to prosecute. Indeed, some of the cases from the past few decades might show that the nicest guys are the worst offenders.
In the 1980s I managed a court case for my employer, where the defendant was the Federal Environment Minister and the vehicle was world heritage listing, so I am commenting from experience. Rare experience, I imagine. I am pleading for vastly more action because the economic detriment alone is huge, but seldom calculated because that might be “impolite”.
Geoff
Do we know they melt, and not sublimate?
I would say that we most definitely do; the melt-water channels and their sediments remain.
File this under The Incredible Shrinking Climate Emergency.
And this one: DNC Climate Debate Nazi says, “No climate debate for you!”
https://twitter.com/JayInslee/status/1136384081434824705
Poor wittle Jay. No one wants to play his reindeer games.
The agricultural wealth that accompanies global warming was responsible for periods of prosperity allowing building of the great European cathedrals (Medieval Optimum) and the Pyramids, (early Holocene warm periods. )
It should be obvious the glaciers grew a lot with the Younger Dryas, then melted, then, 7000 years ago started growing again, only to fall prey to Al Gore [/sarc]
I read recently that Malaysia is falling prey to droughts caused by climate change. Why hasn’t anyone noticed that palm oil plantations are similar to the farms causing loss of snow cover on the slopes of Mt Kilimanjaro? The dry air from the farms causes sublimation of the snow and ice, in that case.
Even in 1923 they were concerned about the shrinking glacier.
Winston was busy during the Christmas break.
Still making the “Gone by 2030” signs then?
Would making new signs to replace the “Gone by 2030” count as one of those promised “Green Jobs”?
Just more evidence that CO2 has already developed a time-machine.
So, it begs the question: Did the folks at Glacier via the National Park Service “see the light”, or was it a trickle down of one of Trump’s policies? Somehow, I don’t think it would have happened without some severe arm-twisting, truth aside.
I think they learned not to be specific. That way past failed predictions aren’t as obvious.
Nothing looks as silly as having a sign say the glaciers are gone when you are looking right at them.
Better to save that for people who can’t see what you are talking about.
Just one year left to 2020….
Raises the question, not begs.
I became a denier in 2006 after an Alaskan vacation. We were at a national park listening to a ranger taking about the glacier we were viewing. He mentioned that the glacier was growing and would likely create an ice dam which would create a lake where a village of 700 lived. I was shocked and When I questioned him, he explained that growing glaciers didn’t fit the narrative so got no press. I went home and did some research, and then found this blog. The rest is history.
Betsy,
just for the sake of interest in Ice Dams, look up Lake Missoula. It was created by a series of ice dams in the last ice age and rearranged the landscape of Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho.
I think we would have had waterfront property here is Kalispell!