Hubris on steroids @jcu – Uni “digging in” on Peter Ridd decision

Peter Ridd writes of this unbelievable example of arrogance and hubris from James Cook University on his GoFundMe page:

Dear All,

There has been a flurry of media activity on the case but the main news is that it looks as though the Vice Chancellor (VC) is digging in. She and the Provost Prof Chris Cocklin released an extraordinary statement saying the Judge was wrong on all 17 findings against JCU (see link below). In my opinion, she had not read Judge Vasta’s judgement and clearly does not comprehend what has just happened. 

But this means that unless the JCU council (the governing body) deals with the VC, an appeal is likely. In my media statements I have repeatedly stated that the JCU council will be complicit in this mess if they do not deal with the VC and Provost. Due to the huge media response in Australia, the council will have heard this loud and clear.

JCU has near infinite resources from the taxpayer and the VC will not pay a cent when she ultimately loses. It matters not to JCU if they appeal on weak grounds, and the VC may well have retired from the university in the time it could take, perhaps 5 years, if it goes all the way to the high court.

An appeal will cost the best part of a million dollars – much more if it goes to the high court. But I reckon that if we are forced, we can raise the funds. I am very confident that we can win any appeal, although we would want to look closely at whatever mischief they come up with.

The fact is that we have the upper hand – we won the first round 17-nil. The university is bleeding reputation due to its own mistakes, and there is growing anger especially in North Queensland. If they think they can intimidate us with an appeal, they should think again.

Kind regards

Peter

https://www.jcu.edu.au/news/releases/2019/april/response-to-federal-circuit-court-judgement

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April 17, 2019 11:15 pm

VC is an inappropriate acronym for vice-Chancellor, especially for James Cook University. JCU is the acronym for James Crook University.

Matheus Carvalho
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 17, 2019 11:21 pm

JCU is pretty close to JACU, which in Portuguese means a very stupid bird.

Charles Nelson
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 18, 2019 2:15 am

thingadonta
Reply to  Charles Nelson
April 18, 2019 7:08 am

Monty python stoning scene sums up the entire case really.

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 18, 2019 4:08 am

Vice appears to be the keyword here.

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
April 18, 2019 9:18 am

How about downright ‘vicious’?

I guess the VC et al have no choice as if they let the 17-zip decision stand this matter becomes a ‘test case’ representig a massive win to the right to be a climate skeptic and even a ‘denier’ without fear of retribution and persecution. There is no way the great green blob will stand by and not challenge that.

Peter, I am standing by with my next contribution.

Patrick Powers
Reply to  Komrade Kuma
April 21, 2019 12:17 pm

It also brings with it the need equally to fund research which appears to some to be contrary to any sort of ‘supposed consensus’ science. That has to be good but it may well trigger a fight-back. I too am ready to fund (in a small way) an appeal that might affect that.

The JCU should consider changing its name to the Ridd University….

Scouser in AZ
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 18, 2019 8:07 am

In Australia is there a time limit to file an appeal?

KcTaz
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 18, 2019 11:03 pm

The Judge in this case seems to agree with you. Here is his ruling. Unlike US courts and legaleeze, it is easy and a pleasure to read. I highly recommend it. It is also, at time, quite humorous. JCU got spanked and good.
FEDERAL CIRCUIT COURT OF AUSTRALIA
RIDD v JAMES COOK UNIVERSITY [2019] FCCA 997
http://bit.ly/2DlFLYi

A sample:

295. It is easy to understand why this fundamental error has been made. If one truly believes that the Code of Conduct is the lens through which all behaviour must be viewed, then cl.14 is simply superfluous and can be ignored. But this is not the reality of the situation. It is actually cl.14 that is the lens through which the behaviour of Professor Ridd must be viewed.
296. To use the vernacular, the University has “played the man and not the ball”. Incredibly, the University has not understood the whole concept
Ridd v James Cook University [2019] FCCA 997 Reasons for Judgment: Page 71
of intellectual freedom.
In the search for truth, it is an unfortunate consequence that some people may feel denigrated, offended, hurt or upset. It may not always be possible to act collegiately when diametrically opposed views clash in the search for truth.
297. Many aspects of the Code of Conduct cannot sit with the concept of intellectual freedom and certainly contravene cl.14. For example, the Code speaks of the need to “value academic freedom, and enquire, examine, criticise and challenge in the collegial and academic spirit of the search for knowledge, understanding and truth”. The University has denounced Professor Ridd because his enquiry, examination, criticism and challenge was not, in their view, done in the collegial and academic spirit. But there is no need for such enquiry, examination, criticism or challenge to be done that way under the rights conferred upon Professor Ridd by cl.14.

AndyE
April 17, 2019 11:17 pm

I’ll chip in again.

rapscallion
Reply to  AndyE
April 18, 2019 5:10 am

Likewise. Whatever it takes.

April 17, 2019 11:18 pm

I donated to his effort, and will do so again, at 5x to make sure he prevails.

Klem
Reply to  Brad
April 18, 2019 12:43 am

The VC has effectively unlimited University funds to fight this for as long as she wants to. Its not her money so she has no financial skin in the game.

She intends to win because the university has deeper pockets. The optics is terrible.

She should resign.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Klem
April 18, 2019 6:56 am

Yes, as Mark Steyn (who is going through his own tortuous trial) has said: the process IS the punishment…

Jon Scott
Reply to  Klem
April 18, 2019 9:14 am

To resign you have to have integrity and able to make a moral judgement. She has shown what she is. Take that maggot Corbyn in the UK, a sorry excuse for a human being and proven premeditated liar, a marxist who has stolen the leadership of what used to be called the Labour Party. By my counting he has had already 9 occasions on which a better man, a honourable man would resign. This kind of low life which has a strangle hold on higher education does not know the meaning of the word honour.

James
Reply to  Klem
April 18, 2019 12:12 pm

More of students hard earned HECS or HELP money that they students have to pay back in the fullness of time. I think this might make students think about studying somewhere else!

MangoChutney
Reply to  Klem
April 18, 2019 9:58 pm

A salary $1,000,000 AUS a year seems financial skin to me.

Craig from Oz
April 17, 2019 11:33 pm

I am behind Ridd all the way on this, but fear that JCU will just swamp him with their bottomless supply of Lion Fish photos.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
April 18, 2019 12:16 am

The faked photos of A. melanopus per the disgraced PhD student from Sweden. What a fine example of Dr Ridd’s complaint !

Brett Keane
Reply to  Craig from Oz
April 18, 2019 3:54 am

And Bruces. Brett

Phil
April 17, 2019 11:39 pm

This is an attack on the Scientific Method and on open debate of public policy in general. Dr. Ridd will have my continued support in the event that he needs it. Hopefully, saner minds will prevail.

Non Nomen
April 17, 2019 11:41 pm

I’d love to see the faces of the VC and the JCU council when they realize that this time the crowd funding will be more successful than before. I’ll be in again.

PeterGB
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 18, 2019 3:30 am

Indeed. I’m late to this, only recently having discovered that I was not the only person in the world who thought CAGW was politically inspired alarmism. I was mightily relieved when I found WUWT, GWPF etc. I was too late to donate the first time, but have followed the case and judgement and will be ready and willing should there be a second. I’m sure there are many others in the same position as me. It would be a great shame for Peter if there is an appeal as he has been through so much, but even more publicity would be a good thing in the long run. Surely eventually reason must prevail.

Charles Higley
Reply to  PeterGB
April 18, 2019 4:02 am

Aye, I’m in if there is an appeal. I tried to donate late the first time and did not realize there had been a deadline. I’ll be there is needed next time. Cheers, all.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  PeterGB
April 18, 2019 4:39 am

Well said, PeterGB. All the world is watching. Peter Ridd’s victory was the highlight of the week. Freedom of speech is for everyone.
I may not agree with everything/anything you say, but I’ll defend to the end, your right to say it. (E.B. Hall, paraphrased)

Eamon.

Dan Sudlik
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 18, 2019 4:32 am

Me too. From NY.

Reply to  Dan Sudlik
April 18, 2019 1:18 pm

Part of the me too movement? Count me too!

James
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 18, 2019 12:13 pm

So will I.

yarpos
April 17, 2019 11:44 pm

Imagine how much time they are wasting on this instead of running a University. Sort of shows how demanding their core roles are. The show off support for Peter has been impressive and I am pretty sure it will be even bigger for any appeal. A bit peeved to be $ supporting both sides of the argument though, even if JCUs side is involuntary.

OweninGA
Reply to  yarpos
April 18, 2019 6:55 am

For that, perhaps a letter or two to your member of parliament might help to apply pressure from the other side. As an American all I can do is fling funds and cheer him on. Political pressure on JCU from the government of Australia might wake a few people up though.

OweninGA
Reply to  OweninGA
April 18, 2019 8:36 am

Of course the problem is politicians don’t particularly understand the concept of intellectual freedom either. They tend to take the view that “you are free to agree with me on all points!”

brians356
Reply to  yarpos
April 19, 2019 12:40 am

Given today’s curriculum and progressive brainwashing, perhaps the less they’re minding the shop, the better.

Biddy
April 17, 2019 11:52 pm

I chipped in first time round and am ready to do so again.

April 18, 2019 12:00 am

You cannot appeal to relitigate the facts or the judge’s decision. You have to show the judge was not within his jurisdiction to rule, or made a procedural error of law.

Greg
Reply to  Donald Kasper
April 18, 2019 1:40 am

If you read the link the University seems to be “disagreeing” on the basis that the judge did not cite any case law to back up his judgement.

They clearly have the means to get good lawyers, so even if the case is weak of questionable, I guess they know more about what is possible under Aussie law than you do about how to take this further. For the moment it’s all huff and puff.

WXcycles
Reply to  Greg
April 18, 2019 6:00 am

There are mega-bucks of taxpayer’s money being inappropriately squandered from the gushing hydrant of wasteful dishonest lazy gutless stupidity that emanates from the Canberra political bog-of-eternal-stench, directed at any ‘squeaky-wheel’ dishonest climate alarmist scammer who’s uses the Great Barrier Reef as their dippy prop and false-claims powered venal hand-wringing, “Stand n’ deliver!”, hold-up routine, or the now familiar catastrophic spiral-virtue-signaling guilt-trip projecting schmooze, with bonus Kabuki Theatre.

Of course JCU will be keen to burn through mere millions of taxpayer’s misallocated money to obtain parts of billions through extraordinary corruption, deception and institutional dishonesty – that’s a given.

The blatant corruption of academia, institutions, science (and data itself) will not stop until these lazy public-money-hydrants in Canberra (and all other western Capitals) are permanently TURNED-OFF.

Frankly if Australian politicians were all banned from participating in Australian elections the waste of public money on all such doom and catastrophe scams would come to an abrupt end seconds later.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  WXcycles
April 18, 2019 11:37 am

WXcycles: I hate it when commenters beat about the bush like that. 🙂

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  WXcycles
April 19, 2019 1:12 am

Agree with Harry; Please tell us how you really feel. 🙂

Tim
Reply to  Greg
April 18, 2019 6:27 am

This has global implications. Suggest Peter gird his loins and go fund ASAP for the next round. These people do not give up. Whatever the time frame – whatever the cost.

richard verney
Reply to  Donald Kasper
April 18, 2019 3:35 am

If Australian law is anything like UK Law, one cannot appeal errors of fact; one can only appeal errors of law.

There are rare examples when a finding of fact, as made by the Judge, may be considered an error of law, such as when the finding of fact, is contrary to the factual evidence produced.

I have not read the decision so I cannot form a view on whether there are good grounds on which to appeal, I merely point out that appeal is not easy.

I do not know what the Court has done with damages, but it may be possible to obtain an Award on Damages, and enforce this before the appeal is heard, or even to make leave to appeal conditional on damages being paid up front, given the inequality between a private individual and a state funded organisation.

hooodathunkit
Reply to  richard verney
April 18, 2019 6:46 am

The verdict. From American law it’s hilarious, just don’t know if it’s that common for Aussie courts to unload like this.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/ridd-v-james-cook-university-2019-fcca-997-.pdf

THX1138
Reply to  hooodathunkit
April 18, 2019 1:38 pm

I took the time to read all 79 pages of the court document. I must give Judge Vasta compliments for that order, not just because I agree with the decision, but more so because of the incredible clarity of writing in plain English, and logical thought illustrate in that paper. I don’t know if the quality of this document is typical of Australian courts or particularly of Judge Vasta, but reading it was very refreshing compared to the dense writing I am used to reading in other court documents and decisions, which often seem to be purposely difficult to read. Kudos! And congratulations to Professor Ridd!

April 18, 2019 12:02 am

Plaintiff demands that the defendant is combatitively litigant, clearly lost, and ask the judge to make the university post a $10 million dollar bond against appeal. The judge can shut the shit down.

LdB
Reply to  Donald Kasper
April 18, 2019 12:30 am

Agree totally Donald the VC clearly has not talked to legal advice. They can only ask for an appeal and it may well not be granted depending what there argument is.

Reply to  LdB
April 18, 2019 1:06 am

Judging by the feeble arguments they made in the first place it’s difficult to understand what further grounds they might have

Non Nomen
Reply to  HotScot
April 18, 2019 2:18 am

JCU has a School of Law. That means they can send more or less qualified staff almost in abundance into all archives and databases. I bet JCU will make a contest out of it “Who has the best ideas to put Ridd in his place”
It isn’t over until it is over.

Reply to  HotScot
April 18, 2019 4:56 am

Aye, HotScot!
I agree with you, Donald Kasper, LDB and others who are pointing out JCU’s bluster and buffoonery.
JCU activists assuming that they can loudly wail and rend garments to force the courts to question the Judge’s decisions.

JCU buggered their defense of proving their claims had any merit of fact or process against Ridd.

Now,JCU is claiming that they can prove the Judge made errors of law or legal process against the Judge?

It appears that JCU and their falsely inventive legal counsel spoke to compliant news media and issued a press release before talking to court experts.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Donald Kasper
April 18, 2019 2:15 am

Yes, if I were JCU’s legal team, I’d find a clever way to slide out from under a potential abuse of process suit ASAP.

David Segal
April 18, 2019 12:02 am

What’s the use of having umpires if the losers won’t accept the judgement. These people are delusional and are exactly the same type as the losers in the US election and the loser remainers in Britain. I think that if the university chooses to appeal then the council and the Vice Chanceller should be held personally financially responsible.

LdB
Reply to  David Segal
April 18, 2019 12:37 am

They whole statement assumes they will be given the right to appeal. They have a big bridge to cross before they get a hearing because they are seeking to overturn not 1 but 17 individual findings. I suspect they will be told the likely of success so low they are refused.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  LdB
April 18, 2019 2:55 am

They won’t be told that by the lawyers they engage. The only thing lawyers love more than litigation, is more litigation.

Reply to  LdB
April 18, 2019 2:24 pm

In the US, you have the guaranteed right to appear at the state level. Now, once you’ve lost that appeal, you can file an appeal to the state supreme court … but they are too busy to pay attention to the great majority of cases. Then you can appeal to the US Supreme Court, where your odds are much lower yet. And if the issue is not specifically a Constitutional question.

I don’t know how this translates to Australia, but I would be surprised if JCU was denied the right to appeal. There is a danger here, despite the overwhelming win: It’s not to the same court, and the higher court may be big-time Greens.

A personal aside: This process (the US version) personally cost me my life savings plus $64 million dollars — I had won big in the lower court in a large business court, but the appellate court found out that my politics were on the other side of theirs. They prevented the collection of the award.

I wish Peter the best of luck — and certainly better luck than I had.

===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle (@DeHavelle)

LdB
Reply to  Keith DeHavelle
April 18, 2019 7:57 pm

It doesn’t translate at all you have no right of appeal in the fair work commision you have to seek leave to appeal and you may be denied.

Ron Long
Reply to  David Segal
April 18, 2019 3:04 am

David Segal, you have correctly cited an alarming trend. Elections now are starting points and the entitled feel they should get what they believe and are therefore free to overturn it by any means, legal or not. Meanwhile they skip doing the work they should be doing to bash at a windmill. I hope none of the three events end in an overturn. Go Prof Ridd!

Reply to  David Segal
April 20, 2019 4:59 pm

To the old legal saw: If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have the Law, pound the law. If you have neither the facts nor the Law, pound the table. So when does the JCU table pounding begin? Perhaps the modern version should read-pound the American or Australian MSM.

Am willing to donate again, this time to Peter’s appeal if necessary to help him win.

April 18, 2019 12:12 am

The Vice Chancellor and the Provost have brought JCU into disrepute and damaged its standing consequence this matter with Professor Ridd. They have demonstrated that they are not fit to hold the esteemed office of VC and Provo respectively and they should resign without delay.

It matters not whether they agree or disagree with the judgement, they confirm their bias and prejudice with such contrite piffle.

Reply to  Streetcred
April 18, 2019 12:17 am

“non-contrite” piffle.

David Chappell
Reply to  Streetcred
April 18, 2019 4:38 am

There may be a clause in their contracts that they could be made personally liable if the and Provost can be shown to have brought the university into disrepute, which, prima facie, they have. But nthat will be up to the JCU Council.

George McFly......I'm your density
April 18, 2019 12:13 am

Keep up the good work Peter and it sounds like we might need to make a financial contribution to assist

April 18, 2019 12:17 am

True Progressives never admit they were wrong. They always blame someone else. They blame others for not being smart enough to see how right they are. Or they blame others for not being of good character to see their moral failings.
For the Progressive who are running an institution (JCU in this case), the institution is part of the State in their view. And in a Progressive’s socialism-communism worldview, the State is never wrong. If the State seems wrong, it is only because WE didn’t understand the correctness of the State’s moral position to defend a “greater good”, for the means (denying someone a right, academic freedom in this case) is always justified by the end.

What I am saying is the VC will never relent. The only option for the University to ever recover its integrity is for the Council to tell the VC to resign or be fired. (In the military this is called accountability. Such accountability is a foreign concept to Progressives.)

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 18, 2019 12:23 am

+1k

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 18, 2019 4:18 am

Joel
U nailed it

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 18, 2019 4:43 am

Well said and I would only add that this posturing by the VC is for public consumption. She knows that as this drags on the public will eventually lose interest and only remember that the judge’s ruling was disputed.

Gary
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 18, 2019 6:30 am

The way to force JCU to back down is for sufficient alumni and donors and perhaps taxpayers to make a fuss big enough to get media attention. Bad behavior hates the light to shine on it.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 18, 2019 6:51 am

If the State seems wrong, it is only because WE didn’t understand the correctness of the State’s moral position to defend a “greater good”, for the means (denying someone a right, academic freedom in this case) is always justified by the end.

The regressives are like Humpty Dumpty — when they hear the phrase “academic freedom”, it means just what they choose it to mean — neither more nor less.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 18, 2019 10:21 am

Good summary

Warren
April 18, 2019 12:23 am

Chris Murdoch QC is whispering in JCU’s ear “you can win this on appeal”.’
What the heck, taxpayers are paying for everything.
JCU’s legal team will milk it for everything and it’s worth millions to them.
Green-mafia will be talking judge shopping now.
Bill Shorten will be the boss soon . . .
And that’ll make judge shopping easy for the green mafia.
An appeal of a judgment of a Judge of the Federal Circuit Court can be heard by a single judge unless that judge considers it appropriate for the appeal to be heard by a Full Court (three or more Judges sitting together).
That’s where Shorten will make it happen for the green-mafia by ensuring the ‘right’ single judge hears the appeal.
For an appeal to succeed the Court must be convinced the Judge that heard the original case made an error of law and that the error was of such significance that the decision must be overturned.
Vasta (a brilliant judge) recently had one of his decisions overturned on appeal by three lefty appeals judges.

drednicolson
Reply to  Warren
April 18, 2019 1:21 am

I think the brunt of Vasta’s decision can be summarized thusly,

Premise A: JCU terminated Prof. Ridd’s employment by reason of CoC violations.
Premise B: The JCU faculty CoC is subordinate to Prof. Ridd’s EA contract.
Premise C: The CoC violations alleged by JCU are in breach of cl. 14 of the EA.
Conclusion: Prof. Ridd’s employment was unlawfully terminated.

A is confirmed by JCU counsel’s original arguments, so to be overturned on appeal, JCU would have to prove that Vasta was in error in regards to B or C: that the JCU faculty CoC is –not– subordinate to Prof. Ridd’s EA contract or that the CoC violations alleged by JCU are –not– in breach of cl. 14 of the EA.

Would depend on how both documents are worded, I suppose. Hopefully cl. 14 in Ridd’s EA contract is rigid enough to not have its meaning twisted to inversion by an activist appeals judge.

commieBob
April 18, 2019 12:25 am

Universities harbor idiots of all stripes. That’s appropriate if you want students to truly explore all kinds of ideas, which I suppose, is the purpose of higher education. What I’ve noticed over the years is that some folks who wouldn’t make it in the greater world seem to find a safe cocoon in the university and may even rise in the ranks of administrators. I’ve also noticed some pretty odd people in student unions and other student groups. We’re talking about pretty far out on the tails of the distribution.

We have the specter of a student at U of Ottawa suing a student at Carleton U (also in Ottawa) for allegedly defamatory comments suggesting he is connected to the alt-right. link It’s not too hard to guess the affiliation of the writer of the linked article.

The loony left paints anyone who supports free speech as being part of the alt-right and draws the conclusion that free speech is therefore evil.

Reply to  commieBob
April 18, 2019 2:16 am

“Those who can, do. Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym.”
–Dewey Finn (School of Rock)

commieBob
Reply to  stinkerp
April 18, 2019 3:35 am

Those who can’t teach, teach teachers.

icisil
Reply to  commieBob
April 18, 2019 4:21 am
Clyde Spencer
Reply to  icisil
April 18, 2019 9:22 am

icisil
And those who can’t even teach teachers, become administrators (or politicians).

icisil
Reply to  icisil
April 18, 2019 1:32 pm

Dear Clyde, I have a feeling that you speak from experience, i.e., watching the madness unfold around you. God bless your dear soul for maintaining your scientific integrity.

icisil
Reply to  icisil
April 18, 2019 1:40 pm

Oops. I confused your with Roy. Forgive my [pruned] and be blessed anyways.

john harmsworth
Reply to  commieBob
April 18, 2019 7:33 am

It seems that in the process of learning the standard academic chapter and verse on any given subject, these fine minds close off to the possibility that their new knowledge might be flawed or less than complete. In this way, they are able to construct a new level of stubborn stupidity out of their learning.
I don’t know how else to explain it but it is pretty damn pervasive.

MarkW
Reply to  commieBob
April 18, 2019 10:19 am

Speaking of alt-right:

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/major-u-s-bank-shuts-down-alt-right-accounts/

Chase Sank seems to have decided that it will no longer do business with people or companies who’s politics it doesn’t like.

rah
Reply to  MarkW
April 19, 2019 10:44 am

They’ve been moving that way for several years now. I had a mortgage with them when the original holder sold it to them. I refinanced to get away from them as soon as it was fiscally feasible to do so.
During a team run into California last week I managed to travel over 900 miles in the state and the only thing I bought there was coffee to fill one thermos. Fueled at the last Love’s Truck stop on I-10 before entering the state and ran up to Hayward, CA then down to San Diego and then back out of the state on I-8 without fueling again. Ate out of my larder in the truck.

Haven’t been in a Dicks Sporting goods since they turned into gun control nuts.
I refuse to buy Kellogg’s products.

It is not always possible to avoid purchases from manufacturers, vendors, or states or localities that have values that run counter to my own in the extreme, but I do my best not only with my own money but also with the purchases I make with the funds from the company I work for.

April 18, 2019 12:30 am

Agreed. Judge Vasta has not allowed much wriggle room in his written judgement for a progressive judge to overturn. Cl.14 in the FWC endorsed employment contract is surely superior to the ‘Code of Conduct’ policy. Whomever wrote JCU’s verbage should be barred from writing employment contracts and policy.

LdB
Reply to  Streetcred
April 18, 2019 12:34 am

From the article I don’t think the uni and VC have spoken to there council because like you I can’t see how they are going to get an appeal on all 17 findings that would be unheard of.

April 18, 2019 12:40 am

A university which silences dissenting opinion is not not worthy of the name and not fit to exist at all.

Ian W
Reply to  Glenn Thompson
April 18, 2019 4:40 am

Indeed.
And the best way to stop this silencing of free speech at universities, is to remove that university’s accreditation to award degrees. This costs nothing to implement but effectively closes the university. A good example of ‘pour encourager les autres’ as free speech would magically reappear on campuses.

jono1066
April 18, 2019 12:41 am

`walk towards the fire` as someone once said,
I`d chip in to sponsor an in-depth scientific, peer reviewed, review by Peter Ridd of the `90% of the reef is dead` report along the lines of Anthony`s review of the `thermometers in the jar` global warming video and get it published in the newspapers.

April 18, 2019 12:44 am

Entirely in a different field I came across a paper from an academic and wanted to know more. I found that worked at James Cook University and I decided not to bother.

They have already lost reputation by their own actions.

StephenP
April 18, 2019 12:48 am

The journalist involved seems to have been remiss in forwarding the whole original email instead of just asking the questions Peter Ridd suggested.
The recipient seems to have reacted along the lines of ‘mummy, mummy, the nasty boy has called me rude names’ , when as an adult he should have responded with a reasoned argument to show he was in the right.
JCU seem to object to the judgement on the basis that the judge didn’t refer to previous case law.
Would case law have been relevant, and shouldn’t each case be judged on its own merits?

David Stockwell
Reply to  StephenP
April 18, 2019 1:16 am

StephenP that’s how I see it too. Somebody got their feelings hurt = denigration. No reference to case law = contradicts case law. Both illogical.

BillP
Reply to  StephenP
April 18, 2019 4:06 am

As I said on the earlier thread: there is no relevant case law because no Australian university has been this evil in the past.

Reply to  StephenP
April 18, 2019 5:08 am

In my experience of reading judgements (this is the US, though) – case law, or precedent, is normally cited only when the Court is voiding legal writing – a statute or contract. On rare occasions, of course, they are creating new precedent when deciding to void that legal writing.

However, when they find no reason to do this, and are merely interpreting the statute or the contract, they cite whatever is written in the relevant document. (The “case law” can be assumed to be every last decision that did the same, accepted the legal writing instead of voiding it.) This is what the judge did here – citing the relevant clause of the employment contract.

Robdel
April 18, 2019 1:09 am

I too will chip in even if it goes all the way to the high court. The issues are too important and far reaching to allow the culprits to get away with anything.

William
April 18, 2019 1:10 am

I have noticed a trend world wide of organisations making some incredibly stupid and damaging decisions.
I also notice that in each case, the offending organisations are headed by women.
Coincidence? Or is there something deeper here?

Reply to  William
April 18, 2019 2:03 am

I read Brexit polls a lot here in the UK. One finding was remarkable. Of all the pollsters asked if they supported leaving without deal, 90% who said yes were men…

Non Nomen
Reply to  Leo Smith
April 18, 2019 2:28 am

Men stand their ground.

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 18, 2019 4:21 am

Even one as stupid as that.

John Endicott
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
April 18, 2019 6:01 am

No deal is better than a bad deal. Nothing stupid about that.

Andy in Epsom
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
April 18, 2019 6:52 am

Only in your opinion!

Rich Davis
Reply to  Leo Smith
April 18, 2019 2:35 am

A minor point, but there is a deal, it is called the World Trade Organisation

john harmsworth
Reply to  Rich Davis
April 18, 2019 7:39 am

Exactly! And no reason that a new deal can’t be negotiated after the fact. The UK leaving is probably worse for the EU than for Britain. The EU will be lucky to hold any of it’s members other than France and Germany going forward. It is purblind Socialist bureaucracy that repeatedly demonstrates that it is indifferent to the lives and struggles of regular people.

Independent_George
Reply to  William
April 18, 2019 3:32 am

I don’t think it’s any deeper than you’ve pointed out actually.

Nik
Reply to  William
April 18, 2019 7:52 am

They make the incredibly stupid and damaging decisions – and get worse – because, till recently, they haven’t been challenged, either in class, committee, or court. The ignorant, uncurious, and corrupt press doesn’t challenge them, so we have to.

Reply to  Nik
April 20, 2019 8:07 pm

Brian Lamb founder of CSPAN is retiring. His intent to shine the bright light of public video on Congressional Proceedings to curtail rampant Federal spending and mountains of US National Debt admittedly a failure. He said “Lying is the word I would use to describe this town.” WWSJ. 4/20.

Seems to be a 3 Way mutual admiration and support society between the (Washington) Elite Political class, Media, and Academia all vying for celebrity status premised on sloth, willful blindness to valid argument and contradictory evidence, deceit, and incompetence in their chosen fields to support the latest Leftist Cause, whatever it happens to be: the absurd GND, ACC, PC, Economic Equality, Environmental Sustainability, Social Justice, #Me Too, Occupy WS, BLM, over population, resource shortages, ocean acidification, the bleaching of the GBR etc. Perhaps the Law and the Bench and Social Media make it a five sided structure.

Eisenhower in his farewell address warned of The Iron Triangle of Dept of Defense, Government Bureaucracy, and Defense Contractors. At least those guys won the Cold War in defense of freedom and Constitutional Government by leveraging the ingenuity and the Financial Power of Anglo-American Free Market Capitalism.

The current “Iron Pentagon” goes way beyond monetary corruption and self-interest to use state agencies to undermine the US Constitution by lying on FISA Court applications, spying on the political opposition during a presidential campaign, subversion of a duly elected President with illegal, fallacious, and malicious leaks to the press, to drive down his approval ratings to induce confusion, poor morale, and either resignation or impeachment all in attempted soft coup, of someone they just disdain and despise for crashing their elite club, coming from the wrong class and having orange hair, a big mouth, a New York accent, and an itchy Twitter finger.

Peter R’s case is just as important for it involves the values of Academic Freedom, Freedom of Speech, and the Integrity of the Scientific Method in the face of gross politicization of a scientific discipline.

Herbert
April 18, 2019 1:47 am

As a retired senior Australian Lawyer, I was appalled by the actions of JCU throughout and I contributed to the fund to support Peter Ridd’s legal costs.
I will do so again in the event of any Appeal.
The Press Release by JCU appears to be written by someone unfamiliar with the text of Judge Vasta’s decision.
It tries to elevate the Code of Conduct above the EA in contradiction to the express findings of the Judge.
There are no questions of law at issue to found any Appeal.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Herbert
April 18, 2019 2:34 am

Further were there case law on this case that supported JCU, surely the defending QC would have raised
the material in his rebuttal of the prosecution case.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Lewis P Buckingham
April 18, 2019 2:57 am

Overconfidence might be another reason: who is that Ridd to sue a (formerly) well-reputed university?

tomo
Reply to  Herbert
April 18, 2019 4:28 am

@Herbert

IANAL 🙂 but – I’ve some 9 years of UK High Court scrapping under my belt.

Is there Australian law that is equivalent to the UK’s Conspiracy to Defraud?

just askin’

R
Reply to  Herbert
April 18, 2019 5:36 am

Hello Herbert,

I am aware of this case but have not followed it in detail.

As a retired Aussie lawyer, what in your opinion are the answers to the following questions:

Is there a Charter or Rights or similar under Aussie law? Does it cover Freedom of Speech?

In winning the case, what if any damages were awarded to Peter Ridd?

Was he awarded court costs and if so how much?

What should he do to discourage this sort of misconduct by the university administrators?

Any other points you would like to make…

Paul Miller
Reply to  R
April 18, 2019 5:52 am

You can read the full decision by the judge. there was a link from WUTW a couple of days ago. It is basically a decision based on contract law, the contract in this case being the Enterprise Agreement-the employment contract governing Dr Ridd’s employment. the University tried to subvert the freedom of thought and expression guaranteed in the EA with its derived Code of Conduct and claimed that the CoC takes precedence, not the EA. The sole judge jury and executioner of violations of the CoC is of course JCU. hence their insistence that the REAL judge blew it. If your read the scathing judgment, the university’s continued intransigent is not slikely to sit well with someone who actually DOES know common law and contract law.

R
Reply to  Paul Miller
April 19, 2019 2:00 am

Thank you Paul.

“The issue of the making of declarations and penalty are adjourned to a date to be fixed.”

Steve O
Reply to  Herbert
April 18, 2019 6:54 am

“The Press Release by JCU appears to be written by someone unfamiliar with the text of Judge Vasta’s decision.”

It’s a press release, so they only need the general public to be unfamiliar with the text of his decision.

At this point, it sounds like JCU will be acting in the realm of public relations rather than the courts. If they do ask for an appeal it will be for the public relations value rather than because of any legal merit. That way, at least for the time being, any news reports on the case can include some blurb that the university believes it acted appropriately, is horrified by the decision, and is appealing the case.

knr
April 18, 2019 2:43 am

Public and private are very different aspects and the VC may be making lots of nose to save face while off the record they known they are on to a loser. And of course they can pull out ‘we would have if it has not been for the ‘evil fossil fuel conspiracy’ and ‘right wing media’ , the stand-byes of the progressives.
The chances of them admitting they got it wrong where always very small .

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