Why did YouTube demonetize World’s largest Climate Change video channel?


This is not the story you might first think it is.  This is coming from a CAGW promoting site.~ctm

We created two YouTube channels for science. This was back in 2011, a time when the video platform was dominated by videos from climate change deniers, and only few Universities had a channel at all, let alone subscribers in the four digits. It was perplexing, you could find all these videos about Al Gore`s An Inconvenient Truth, and how all was a big deliberate hoax, but not the actual documentary. That’s when we uploaded his film (we tried to reach out to him and Paramount asking for permission, but got no answer). The YouTube AI did a great job in flagging this carbon copy within minutes, blocking it worldwide and resulted in our first copyright strike. But we thought it was worth trying.

Then we tried to upload content which was already out there, but only a few seconds, for instance to illustrate the Greenhouse Effect, though this took the AI a bit longer to block. We had videos by NASA Ad blocked, we had Copyright Strikes by climate deniers on videos which trended, and then we decided to focus on a second channel, focusing on content we created. This was around 2016, and around that time YouTube begun to seriously crack down on channels, they or others have been flagged in the the past, resulting in the termination of both our channels.

YouTube email: After review, we determined that activity in your account violated our Community Guidelines, which prohibit spam, scams or commercially deceptive content.

Following a petition with over 3000 signatures, without explaining, at least one of our channels came back. But YouTube didn’t stop there. They refused to let us contest a copyright strike. Continuously we receive false copyright claims on the same content, as if YouTube completely ignores public domain content, content we usually use these days. It shouldn’t be too hard to update the existing system with that content, but no.

Then came February 2019, a balmy morning a few days earlier YouTube updated their terms & conditions. This time they came for our ad revenue, demonetizing our channel. No more income for us. This time there was not even an email, just out of the blue, though a notice in our channel backend informed us, we were allowed to reapply within a month for monetization.

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April 14, 2019 2:07 pm

“This was back in 2011, a time when the video platform was dominated by videos from climate change deniers”

8 years ago?…..Elizabeth please

Reply to  Latitude
April 15, 2019 1:11 am

Running off conservatives will come back to bite them.
As Youtube deplatforms and demonetizes popular web casters, they are migrating to non-censored platforms like gab and patreon, and their fans are following them in droves.

Eventually, Google execs will wake up and realize, “We’ve lost 70% of our audience over the past three years, and that number is rising,” so they may come to their senses, or else watch their business go belly-up. Ideology-driven decisions that ignore business realities have consequences.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  ilftpm
April 15, 2019 2:28 am

Did you read the same post as I did? It wasn’t a “conservative” group, it was a CAGW group. It wasn’t an “ideology-based decision,” but one based on the rules of content reuse, i.e. create your OWN content, don’t repost others’ and claim that as your own.

michael hart
Reply to  James Schrumpf
April 15, 2019 8:31 am

Yes, I think ilftpm did. The comment appeared to be a general one.
The political preferences of youtube/Google are already well known to be anti-Conservative and even moderate Conservatives have been complaining about it for some time.

What is newer is that those who thought they would be safe because they held the “correct” views are finding out that censorship is not quite the bed of roses they expected.

However, this one appears to be more of a copyright issue, and every one is learning that Google’s AI is not quite as smart as they would have you believe. And the situation may well get worse.

nw sage
Reply to  michael hart
April 15, 2019 4:46 pm

Sorry to disagree – Google’s AI is EXACTLY as smart as they want it to be. It IS their idea of what AI should be, after all (of course we have to take into account that Google does work with China on AI but refuses to work with the US military).

April 14, 2019 2:16 pm

Google sucked all the ad money away from newspapers, tv, and radio. link As well, some websites I used to visit found they were no longer viable.

If you want to make money on line, the big companies are, more or less, the gatekeepers. I suspect that WUWT is a bit of an outlier.

Another problem is bogus DMCA take down notices. link

I’m pretty sure some people will disagree, but IMHO big companies are every bit as evil as big government.

Reply to  commieBob
April 14, 2019 2:23 pm

Morality for people capable of self-moderating, responsible behavior, and competing interests to mitigate the progress of others running amuck.

Reply to  commieBob
April 14, 2019 2:45 pm

We will get somewhere when people finally figure out that Big companies and Big government aoe the SAME THING. Big corps buy the regulators.

Ken Andrews
Reply to  ladylifegrows
April 14, 2019 6:37 pm

Big Corps HAVE to “buy” regulators because Politicians sell regulation/laws to the highest bidders. A corp either gets in the “buy influence” business or lose out to competitors who outbid them.
The ONLY answer is a complete separation of government and the economy in the same manner and for the same reason as the separation of church and state.

Reply to  Ken Andrews
April 15, 2019 3:09 am

Ken, let’s achieve ” separation of church and state ” then we can move on. There are two countries where unelected clerics sit in government – Iran and the United Kingdom. A ridiculous anachronism in the UK where more than two thirds of the population declare themselves to be disbelievers, unbelievers, disinterested or of a different religion altogether. Yet their lordships sit in sombre contemplation of how the rest of us should live our lives – very dangerous now the Church of England has become a strong advocate for “measures to combat CAGW”.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  PeterGB
April 16, 2019 4:35 am

Peter GB:

You are forgetting the Vatican and their 1.5 Billion lemmings.

Reply to  PeterGB
April 16, 2019 7:35 am

Lets “move on” is followed by not moving on, a common subversive inkling. It gets tiresome to repeat, but there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. There is a protection from the government’s interference in personal beliefs. The left has redefined this to mean what best serves a collectivists’ control – by eliminating the intrusion of morality (religion) into the system control of the “masses.” The bible banning cases had a logic in that the state was promoting Christianity and the founders would agree.
Back to science.

Greg F
Reply to  ladylifegrows
April 14, 2019 8:00 pm

Big corps buy the regulators.

You have it backwards. It’s more like the mob running a protection racket. The mob tells the business “that is a nice business you have there, would be a shame if something bad happened to it”.

Adam Gallom
Reply to  Greg F
April 14, 2019 10:46 pm

No, he had it the right way around.
Certainly in the UK, we see the “ Revolving Door” where people move from positions in government to work as lobbyists & “advisors” in industry.
Large companies can afford to comply with beurocracy, small companies struggle.

Reply to  Adam Gallom
April 15, 2019 3:42 pm

That’s how it works in all countries.

Big Business == Big Government and visa versa. Can’t have one with out the other.

Reply to  commieBob
April 14, 2019 5:24 pm

With big companies, you always have a choice. Big government gives you no choice.

For most people, that makes all the difference.

Reply to  commieBob
April 14, 2019 5:29 pm

BTW, you seem to be taking it for granted that the site managers are actually innocent of the charges.
More likely they didn’t know and didn’t care how copyright works and repeatedly violated youTubes terms of use rules.

Reply to  MarkW
April 14, 2019 6:58 pm

Their guilt is irrelevant.

We have giant corporations who take it upon themselves to enforce the copyright of others. So, they aren’t the copyright owners. They also aren’t the government with the right to enforce the law.

Normally it is the job of the copyright owner to enforce their copyright, possibly by suing the guilty party. So, in the end, whatever happens is mediated by a court decision. As the story illustrates, when corporations enforce the copyright of others, the defendant has no way to defend herself.

Ever since the Magna Carta, we have developed a set of legal rights where plaintiffs and defendants both had their rights protected. You can find out what happens otherwise by asking anyone who survived behind the Iron Curtain.

Reply to  commieBob
April 14, 2019 7:01 pm

Once again, you are too eager to blame business that you don’t actually investigate the facts of the case.
If they don’t enforce the copyright of others, they can and will be sued by the copyright holders.

Reply to  MarkW
April 14, 2019 8:59 pm

Doesn’t mean they would lose.

Reply to  MarkW
April 15, 2019 3:32 am

1 – They should have embraced their status as common carriers.
2 – The mechanism for copyright holders is the DMCA takedown notice. If a social media company ignores that, then they can be sued.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
April 15, 2019 5:10 am

And, bob, you are complaining about Number 2 here. This is a case of the platform *not* ignoring DMCA.

Reply to  MarkW
April 15, 2019 7:59 am

david, with the American legal system as it is, even when a company wins such a suit, they still lose. They are out big bucks in legal fees, and the jury system is biased against big companies.
Way to many jurors have no problem taking money from a big company and giving it to a sympathetic looking plaintiff, regardless of whether the company is guilty or not.

Reply to  commieBob
April 15, 2019 3:50 pm

The way it works under the DMCA is that Youtube is immune from copyright violations that it does on behalf of it’s users. However in exchange for this immunity it is obligated to respond to ‘DMCA letters’ that are used to inform Youtube/Google of said violations. They are required to remove content flagged in this manner. Under the law then users have the opportunity to write a counter letter to get their content put back online. After that Youtube/Google is out of the loop and it becomes a issue for the courts to resolve if the first company decides to sue the user.

If youtube/google tries to fight this then chances are they will lose their immunity, which would destroy them financially.

I am sure that all of this sounded very reasonable to politicians whose experience with computers was limited to having their assistants enter in appointment dates on their blackberry phones, but obviously it’s a stupid system.

john harmsworth
Reply to  commieBob
April 15, 2019 6:51 am

Big everything is bad. Big business, big labor, big medicine, big government and now even big science. They all operate at scales that don’t allow for humans to be meaningful aspects or considerations.

April 14, 2019 2:21 pm

Ironically, it is the prophets of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming that deny climate change, and are desperately seeking sources to explain climate change, and reap the profits through misinformation and mischaracterization.

April 14, 2019 2:24 pm

Sounds like a University that does not have even basic understanding of copyright law.

Dodgy Geezer
April 14, 2019 2:28 pm

Oh dear!
What a Pity!
Never Mind!!

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
April 15, 2019 2:09 am

Excellent Dodgy,
I’d forgotten all about It ain’t half hot mum 😁

Bruce Cobb
April 14, 2019 2:36 pm

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. Somewhere, the world’s smallest violin is playing.

April 14, 2019 2:37 pm

There were no “climate change deniers” in 2011. That slur came into use more recently, as the propagandists grew more desperate.

Reply to  damp
April 15, 2019 5:14 am

abc radio is Aus was calling us deniers and blocking phone comment an online posts to comments back in 2009

April 14, 2019 2:55 pm

That’s when we uploaded his film (we tried to reach out to him and Paramount asking for permission, but got no answer). The YouTube AI did a great job in flagging this carbon copy within minutes, blocking it worldwide and resulted in our first copyright strike. But we thought it was worth trying.

They never realized that nether Big Al or the people behind YouTube wanted An Inconvenient Truth to be posted somewhere that it can be commented on.


Ben of Houston
Reply to  Schitzree
April 15, 2019 4:40 am

So they admit to an egregious and flagrant violation of copyright. I don’t know their site or their practices, but not understanding why this was wrong is a decided point against them. In fact, reading through much of the article, it seems that they were repeatedly posting illegal content, and it was not “evil climate deniers”, but the lawful owners of the videos that they were outright pirating.

Maybe they did have some good videos in their channels, but when your own defense is that much against you, I’m very skeptical of anything else they have to say.

April 14, 2019 2:58 pm

“There should a test for prognosticators, forecasters, futurist, predictors,and visionaries: They should have to disclose their past record for predicting the future.”

Anonymous Heins

James Schrumpf
April 14, 2019 3:07 pm

Apparently those people don’t know how YouTube works vis-a-vis monetization. You have to create YOUR OWN CONTENT to do it. You can’t copy content from other sites and claim it as your own, even if it is in the public domain. Putting up “An Inconvenient Truth” without permission is like putting up the latest Marvel Universe offering, and then wondering why you got a copyright strike.

A solution to their problem is to quit trying to monetize stolen content. Well, YouTube just took care of that for them.

Reply to  James Schrumpf
April 14, 2019 5:25 pm

But, they’re the good guys.
The rules were never supposed to apply to people like them.

Reply to  James Schrumpf
April 14, 2019 9:03 pm

If that is the standard think of all the people who make money off of musicians’ work. If Youtube got sued by every musician whose art was stolen by someone else, they would be out of business tomorrow.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
April 15, 2019 2:51 am

Mind providing examples of what you’re talking about?

In the meantime, let me explain how YouTube works. I have a YouTube channel. It’s mostly highlights from the 1960s-1990s of my university football team, made from the VHS tapes that were sold back in the day. They were never converted to DVD, so people sent me their tapes, and I digitized them and put them on my channel. I currently have 560 subscribers and 1,163,526 views — puny numbers.

I have copyright hits, too, mostly because of the background music in the videos. The difference between me getting dinged and them getting strikes is that I’m not trying to monetize my content. So I just get notes attached to my videos saying so-and-so owns the copyright on some of the content, and that’s it.

So, it’s not just a matter of using another’s content; it’s the attempt to make money off it that really draws their attention. All that being said, I don’t think I’d try to get away with posting an entire movie, even non-monetized.

Reply to  davidgmillsatty
April 15, 2019 5:18 am

might be coming soon the new EU copyright laws are going to kill a lot of present media.
and while someone using a bit of music might annoy the creators? it means its heard(seen for artists) by many who would never hear/ see their work otherwise and who may well go buy after.

Ed MacAulay
April 14, 2019 3:11 pm

More to the point – as I understood it- Gore would not allow free viewing of his lies.
A local church group planned to screen the film for information, but could NOT get permission as Al would not get a take of it.

Reply to  Ed MacAulay
April 14, 2019 3:16 pm

I am shocked I tell you, shocked!

Bruce Hall
April 14, 2019 3:23 pm

I read the title two ways: “de-monetize” and “demon-etize”. I think it works both ways.

April 14, 2019 3:25 pm

The link to The World’s Largest Climate Change Video Channel does not even have one comment about the demonetization by Google.
Maybe no one cares?

April 14, 2019 3:32 pm

AGW was always about the money

April 14, 2019 3:33 pm

Their twitter account is the typical smorgasbord of doom and gloom.

April 14, 2019 3:37 pm

These days YouTube demonitizes or closes down sites for *the content of the comments*. Perfectly innocent pictures had comments from pedophiles making rude interpretations. The posters of these pictures of children were the ones shut down.
Perhaps their postings led to many adverse comments by climate skeptics and thus were shut down.

I remember YouTube way back when as a platform for sharing everything including R-rated material as long as it was declared unsuitable for under 13. That was before the time when feelings were more important than freedom to say what you wanted. Before there were advertisers.

Flight Level
April 14, 2019 3:50 pm

Climate zealots complain on the lack of advertisement revenue ? The same who preach the virtues of anti-capital action and prevailing socialism ?

Now that’s quite a paradox.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Flight Level
April 14, 2019 5:13 pm

When they get what they ask for, they are confused.

Dave N
Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
April 14, 2019 5:57 pm

They’re confused long before they ask for anything; or do anything.

That they’re confused about having monetization revoked for posting unoriginal content says it all, really.

Flight Level
Reply to  Dave N
April 14, 2019 9:30 pm

Finally it’ s all about easy money, nothing new under the sun.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Flight Level
April 15, 2019 4:10 am

Maybe the well-established alarmist Monbiot is being heeded. He calls for the end of “capitalism”. Well, advertising is part and parcel of capitalism as I understand it. It is part of the reward system for an investment of effort and savings. Monbiot wants that sort of behaviour ended.

If YouTube first starts dismantling “capitalism” for those who most loudly promote the call, what’s the beef?

Is this a case of, “Do unto them what we say, not unto us?”

April 14, 2019 3:53 pm

“With subscribers in the four digits”? After 8 years? No way were they “monetized”. B.s. all the way.

Reply to  F.LEGHORN
April 14, 2019 5:39 pm

Meh, they don’t even have a silver play button

April 14, 2019 3:57 pm

“you could find all these videos about Al Gore`s An Inconvenient Truth, and how all was a big deliberate hoax”

They say that as if they still don’t know.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  philincalifornia
April 14, 2019 5:14 pm

It seems that they didn’t watch any of them either.

April 14, 2019 5:25 pm

Can I say ‘catastrophic’ and ‘EU’ in the same sentence? Yes, like this:

“Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market”
The measure was approved by on 26 March 2019. If approved on 15 April 2019, member states would have two years to pass appropriate legislation.

Article 11, also known as the “link tax”, gives press publishers direct control over re-use of their content by Internet platforms such as online news aggregators. Article 13, also known as the “upload filter”, requiring websites who primarily host user-generated content to take “effective and proportionate” measures to prevent the unauthorised posting of copyrighted content, or be liable for their users’ actions.[9] Industry groups and advocates fear that these specific directives would inhibit online expression by requiring websites to obtain licenses in order to link to news articles and Article 13 would require use of content-matching technologies that cannot identify fair dealing such as parody.


The new copyright law is making every online platform older than 3 years directly liable for every copyright infringement that a user commits. The analogy for the offline world would be making a highway company directly liable for every speeding driver. The only way for an online platform to deal with this risk of liability is to filter every text, every picture and every video before it’s even uploaded. This upload filter is technology that we so far only know from authoritarian regimes like China.


Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Toto
April 15, 2019 4:37 am

“Article 13, also known as the “upload filter”, requiring websites who primarily host user-generated content to take “effective and proportionate” measures …”

This “who” wording is defective. A website is not a legal person any more than an email is, or a text message.

It is quite possibly using PHP to create a frame that is populated by links to articles, images and sites creating for the person viewing the page, a composite of licensed or public sources. In short it is providing a viewing method, not “reposting” by hosting a copy.

This is fundamentally different from creating a copy and serving it (like a so-called file sharing site). When I paste a link into a WhatsApp message the source file is retrieved and an image displayed to the recipient, but I did not copy and paste the content.

The source site owner can complain about losing views that would also see ads on the source site, but that is like a newspaper complaining about people discussing what is in the paper over coffee at Timmy”s while passing around a clipping from the paper. The clipping requires someone to buy a newspaper and there is nothing to prevent me placing it on the side of my refrigerator with a magnet for “anyone to read”.

If I write the source and date on the clipping with a pencil, and more people see my fridge than buy newspapers, I am in a position to charge for advertising their product.

The Legal point is I am not making photocopies of the article and selling them. If I have a newsletter made entirely of clippings from newspapers I purchase and show it, or post it on a bulletin board, I have purchased the right to do that by buying the newspapers in the first place. Newspaper producers keep careful track of how many people read each copy they print. So do magazine publishers. Think of the dentist’s office. Should each reader have to pay to read it? Each time? Forever?


Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
April 15, 2019 2:48 pm

An obvious target of this “Directive” is Google and YouTube. Whatever else this does, it changes the laws in Europe. With world-wide effects probably. Laws can override rationality and even throw it out the window. I have no idea what the implications are, but I fear the worst.


April 14, 2019 5:29 pm

Your android phone (made by Google) can determine the name of a song, the singer, and even the album in as little as 3 seconds. Yet the same google can’t figure out that a video, film clip, etc is public domain?? B/S, there is a reason this is being done.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Usurbrain
April 14, 2019 11:18 pm

No they can’t, for obvious reasons.
No computer, including Android, can succesfully detect EVERY copyrighted song, simply because they can only compare to a given library of songs from a limited set of publishers. That library can never be complete.

You can’t detect that something is public domain, unless you first build a library, by having people donate stuff to a PD library and then have human beings check it… Which may be what Google or Wiki foundation may start next, it does not exist yet.

And that obviously will only tell you a very very small set is PD or copyrighted. It is worse for videos, as partial reuse can be difficult or even impossible to detect. Even when using human checkers. So when any EU country decides to interprete that new law as 100 precent immediate detection than Youtube will have no choice but to simply completely block that country.

John Endicott
Reply to  Usurbrain
April 15, 2019 5:44 am

Your android phone (made by Google) can determine the name of a song, the singer, and even the album in as little as 3 seconds. Yet the same google can’t figure out that a video, film clip, etc is public domain?? B/S, there is a reason this is being done.

The “reason” is that you clearly don’t know much about how computers (smart phones are a type of computer) work. It determines that information because it has access to a database that contains that information. But that database is limited to the copyrighted works that have been added to it. Not every copyrighted work is in that database. (and no one has created a database of PD works, and such a database would be even more incomplete than the one of copyrighted works as copyright holders have an incentive to get their works into the database, there’s no equivalent entity in regards to ensuring PD works are added to a database).

While it might have a near 100% hit rate on hit songs, popular material from the last few decades and the newest and latest releases by the major labels, there are still plenty of really old, obscure tracks (and songs from individuals who aren’t part of any label) that are still under copyright that your phone can’t identify because it’s not (yet) in the database. And just because it’s not in the database does not automatically mean it’s not copyrighted. If you wrote a song today, you’d have the copyright on that song. But because you are not a major record label, just an unknown individual, your copyrighted song won’t automatically appear in that database. If I upload your song, android phones won’t be able to identify it as being copyrighted (it’s not in the database). Should you not be able to enforce your copyright just because your song didn’t appear in a database?

Jerry Palmer
April 14, 2019 5:41 pm

Maybe Youtube just concluded that a change to the atmosphere of 0.013% over 2 centuries really is insignificant. One can only hope.

April 14, 2019 5:49 pm

I believe YouTube monetization would be the same as an “at will” employee, fireable at any time. I wouldn’t bother to use such a platform.

April 14, 2019 5:58 pm

This is great news…a little less climate change for profit propaganda.

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
April 14, 2019 6:18 pm

they can monetize by buying shares of Alphabet.

or More appropriately, they can create a (dot)porn host server and upload their Pro-CAGW videos there.
Put teasers videos up for free and put the Happy Endings of drowning cities, choking dust storms, endless heatwaves behind a paywall like the other porn sites.

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 14, 2019 6:46 pm

They can give there Climate Porn creative titles without fear of take-down:

Hurricane CAGW porn titles:
-Katrina Does the Big Easy
-Sandy Swallows the Big Apple.

Dust Storm CAGW porn titles:
– Dusty Blows
– Ms Habu Blew and Blew

Heat Wave CAGW porn titles:
– Friday Hot Nights
– Bummer Summers Forever
– Step Climate Change with Step-Sister

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 15, 2019 5:24 am

Lol youve got a career in advertising waiting;-)

April 14, 2019 6:53 pm

“videos about Al Gore`s An Inconvenient Truth, and how all was a big deliberate hoax, but not the actual documentary. That’s when we uploaded his film (we tried to reach out to him and Paramount asking for permission, but got no answer).”

The video that even a court agreed used false claims?

A) You did not get permission and the film is copyrighted.
That little failure gives Al Gore the right to ask Youtube to block use of his videos! Until, you, pay Al Gore his fees.

“Then we tried to upload content which was already out there, but only a few seconds, for instance to illustrate the Greenhouse Effect”

I assume you are describing the faked experiment?

B) Posting even that small portion of Gore’s video is still a violation of Al Gore’s copyright!

C) By all rights, you owe Al Gore the missing fees for every visit to your Youtube page with his videos.

D) From your own statements, you appear to have used the work of others for your Youtube earnings. I can not find fault with their change in terms.

John Endicott
Reply to  ATheoK
April 15, 2019 5:20 am

A) correct. they violated the copyright by uploading the entire film without permission. Shame on them
B) not correct. Small portions of a copyright work may be allowed under fair use provided all other provisions of fair usage are adhered to.
C) Certainly for every visit to view the movie that they illegally uploaded, not so for any small clip that meets fair use standards
D) exactly, they admit their guilt when they admitted they uploaded the film without getting permission to do so. (failure to get a reply does not equal getting permission).

Ben of Houston
Reply to  John Endicott
April 15, 2019 7:09 am

B) That only works if it’s transformative in some way. Commentary or refutation makes it definitely allowed. That’s why “debunking” videos filled with clips are legal, but excepts are not. The commentary changes everything.

From the description, it appears that they did not change it, but just posted clips.

Reply to  Ben of Houston
April 15, 2019 7:47 am

Yes, that’s why you can’t post episodes of your favoriate anime, but you can post a split-screen (camera on you, split screen showing the anime) reaction video of you watching your favorite anime. Unless it’s something nobody cares about anymore like Dougram: Fang of the Sun or Blue Gender.

John Endicott
Reply to  Ben of Houston
April 15, 2019 8:50 am

B) That only works if it’s transformative in some way

Hence why I said “may be allowed under fair use provided …” and not “is allowed. (period)”

April 14, 2019 6:59 pm


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April 14, 2019 9:39 pm

Flagged by a politically left leaning progressive algorithm for being a scam, best case of AI learning by itself i’ve ever seen.

Non Nomen
April 14, 2019 11:32 pm

If I must not quote what I want to discuss or criticize, then copyright has made a final victory over freedom of speech as it is the case in the “EU”.
Ladies, Gentlemen and whatever you are, shut up. You are done. Feel free to buy a streamlined, MSM conformistic opinion online.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 15, 2019 12:44 am

I don’t think enough people realise the scope of the latest EU clamp down of freedom of speech and the removal of the freedom to share legitimate content with others, over the internet.
At some point, when enough people are silenced completely, and not allowed to hold an opinion that differs from the prescribed state view, maybe at that point, the penny will drop. Totalitarian control is not a positive addition to personal freedom.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 15, 2019 2:56 am

In Germany, under the cloak of copyright infringement, a report on Monsanto/Bayers “Roundup”, compiled by the federal Institute for Risk asessment (Bundesinstiut für Risikobewertung (BfR)) had to be taken down from a “Roundup”-critical website (https://fragdenstaat.de/) = ask the state. This report had to be handed over beforehand under the rules of the German FoIA. But when it came to publishing it on the internet, a cease and desist warrant was quickly issued and FragdenStaat had to take it down. Information collected with taxpayers money, officially handed over and finally banned from being made public because of “Copyright Infringement” . Congrats!

Roger Knights
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 15, 2019 4:37 am

In the U.S., all government-published material is copyright-free.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Roger Knights
April 15, 2019 4:58 am

God bless america.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 15, 2019 3:02 pm

I don’t understand this; please elaborate. If the report is freely available from the federal risk assessment bureau (BfR), exactly who is asserting copyright infringement — the BfR? Even so, if the report is available from the BfR just by asking, I don’t see this as a case of suppressing information.

In some cases US agencies will have access to privileged information (e.g., trade secrets), and while they can acquire and use that information to prepare a report, they can’t release the privileged information. In such a case those portions of the report are redacted, but anyone can post a copy of the redacted report.

The long-awaited Mueller Report being a current example.

April 15, 2019 12:03 am

Far too many of the articles on this site are nothing but cut-and-paste from other sites; which has got to be a copyright violation.

As I understand the “fair use” rules, the copied material has to be only a small part of your article. That is, quoting a section of another article and then writing more analysing what was written is fair use; just copying part of an article without comment is not.

Thus this article is violating ClimateState’s copyright, to make it fair use you need to add analysis explaining why is is rubbish.

Non Nomen
Reply to  BillP
April 15, 2019 3:03 am

In reality, whoever feels inclined or entitled will ask to take that article down. They will claim “their copyright” and will leave it to the courts to decide, which will require a helluva lot of time and money. Even if they will not succeed, they have won. The article will be no longer available. And what will happen to the Internet Archive? They will have to take it down as well.

Eric Campbell
April 15, 2019 4:32 am

You will be forced to comply. Period.

April 15, 2019 4:33 am

I don’t think I missed anything here. The point is that AlGorebullspit wants money anytime his idiot movie is run – as if he didn’t make enough cash from it already – and he wasn’t getting any, so he whined about it to YouTube.

Other similar blockages of cash flow have occurred elsewhere. If you plan to make a living or even just a little side cash from something you post on YouTube or the internet’s various other places, it appears now that your content must be as neutral as shoveling snow in the winter in Waukesha and complaining about it. Otherwise, your revenues will be yanked. Or am I missing something here? Is it maybe because YourTubes got served with a copyright infringement notice first? They have much more to lose than those who post on their channels.

Copyright infringement is rampant everywhere. Someone some time back tried to snag some of my images off a website that puts a screen on them to protect them from copyright infringement, and then complained to the web owner about it. I got copies of that back-and-forth stuff. It was a hoot. Under the Fair Use part, you can “borrow” the work, but have to acknowledge the source and you cannot make any money off of it.

It boils down to this: always follow the money. That’s the real issue. The rest is just window dressing.

April 15, 2019 4:38 am

Youtube has become notorious for allowing copyright claims that take the monitized content and give it to the person/company filing the claim, even though they have no real claim to it. Nor, from the videos I’ve seen about it, will Youtube assist the victims in reaching out to the claimer.

Mark - Helsinki
April 15, 2019 5:13 am

Having quickly reviewed the channel, there is a vast amount of junk science and completely dishonest nonsense on it.

No wonder, videos claiming the polar vortex is caused by human emissions of CO2, Earth’s fish are disappearing because of human emissions of CO2..

Just two of the many absolutely junk nonsense videos of many, misinformation at best, absolutely deranged lunacy at worst, why should youtube see this complete garbage as ad worthy?

Whomever is posting this nonsense content is not well mentally, if they believe in the utter bollox they are putting on youtube 😀

Non Nomen
Reply to  Mark - Helsinki
April 15, 2019 5:38 am

Even nonsense is copyrighted. See Monty Python or Benny Hill…but this is great nonsense.

John Endicott
Reply to  Mark - Helsinki
April 15, 2019 5:48 am

Having quickly reviewed the channel, there is a vast amount of junk science and completely dishonest nonsense on it.

Be that as it may, copyright doesn’t care about whether something is honest or makes sense. You can have copyright on works that tell lies and/or Is nonsensical (see Al Gore’s movie for example).

Bob Hoye(@subtle2)
April 15, 2019 7:17 am

Good review of an impossible situation.
However, taking away your reward introduces a new term:

Radical petulance.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
April 15, 2019 3:15 pm

The truly sad thing is history is replete with examples of horrible results from noble intentions. See the Great Leap Forward for a recent extreme case. Take one part human fallibility and add suppression of dissent and you have all the ingredients necessary to produce tragedy. Since human fallibility is a universal constant, outlawing dissent pretty much guarantees tragedy.

It is widely regarded by historians that The Great Leap resulted in tens of millions of deaths.[3] A lower-end estimate is 18 million, while extensive research by Chinese historian Yu Xiguang suggests the death toll from the movement is closer to 56 million.

At some scale, tragedy becomes evil.

April 15, 2019 6:59 pm

Google (or whatever) New Copyright Law. For example:

Traditionally, internet users are liable for the content they upload to platforms like Facebook and YouTube, not the platforms themselves. Much as in the US, the platform isn’t held liable for copyright infringement or other illegal content so long as a company removes that content quickly once notified. Article 13 of the new EU legislation changes that by holding platforms directly accountable for the content they host, with a few exceptions. That means publishing platforms like Medium and WordPress would be on the hook to make sure the text that users post doesn’t violate copyrights, and photo-sharing sites like Instagram would have to watch for copyrighted images.

Article 11 of the proposal, meanwhile, would mandate that sites such as Facebook and Twitter that share snippets of content either pay the publishers of that content or limit the text used in links to a few “individual words.”

April 16, 2019 3:02 am

the “legal point” is largely irrelevant.
the more trenchant principle is that of “the biter, bit”, ie if you spend your time and energy building up a machine to compel other people to behave as you think they ought, you have no reasonable defense when that machine is used against you. Especially when control of the machine depends on a majority vote in parliament, and you thought this was just peachy keen while the votes were going your way …

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