Zero to Hero: Brand New Climate Skeptic Party Now the Largest Group in the Dutch Senate

Thierry Baudet
Thierry Baudet, Leader of the Forum voor Democratie. By DWDD – DWDD, CC BY 3.0

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

A brand new Dutch climate skeptic party has swept the field in its first election.

New Populist Party Goes from Zero Seats to Largest Party in Dutch Election

21 Mar 2019

A new populist, Eurosceptic party has achieved the remarkable feat of going from zero seats to becoming the largest single party in the Dutch Senate in a single election, as a young politician likened to a “Dutch Donald Trump” beat seasoned professionals in Wednesday’s poll.

Thierry Baudet’s Forum for Democracy party, which has gained attention for its Euroscepticism, campaigned against open borders politics and against what he calls “climate-change hysteria,” winning 86 seats across the Dutch regions. The victory put his party ahead of even the ruling mainstream conservative People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), which achieved 80 seats.

Forum was founded in 2016, and this is the first regional election the party has contested. Remarkably, in some Dutch regions Forum was so unexpectedly successful it won the right to appoint more elected members than they actually have registered candidates living in those areas.

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The European Union is terrified of the upcoming EU Parliament election, because they are anticipating a parliament dominated by populists, climate skeptics and Euroskeptics who want to break up the union.

If skeptics do win control of the European Parliament, under the democratically deficient EU system elected members probably won’t have the power to change EU climate policy or break up the EU. But the skeptics may rob the unelected soviet style bureaucrats who really run the EU of the facade of democratic legitimacy they have enjoyed to date, thanks to their rubber stamp parliament of tame elected Europhiles.

Britain’s best hope of being ejected from the EU in the next few weeks is Eurocratic fear that Britain’s anticipated hardcore climate skeptic and Eurosceptic voting block might tip the balance in the next European parliament.

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Big T
March 22, 2019 6:08 am

The quiet, normal people with common sense will always win in the end.

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Big T
March 22, 2019 6:42 am

Yes, but ‘quiet, normal people’ are forced to sustain a protracted confrontation against the notion that:

The squeaky bird gets the worm.

‘common sense’ – how does common sense measure these two competing ideas?

– CO2 is integral to the Carbon Cycle of Life, as such CO2 is a necessary requirement for Carbon Based Life Forms. CO2 feeds life and is the source of organic carbon whence it was extracted through photosynthesis by plants and phytoplankton. More atmospheric CO2 feeds more life.

– Theory that atmospheric CO2 (0.04%) causes the Earth’s surface to warm by reflecting the energy emitted by the Earth’s surface. This Theory has no Laws, Axioms, Postulates, nor formulae because we are unable to measure this purported physical property of ‘greenhouse gases’ in the real world. We can’t even measure this property on Mars with an atmosphere of 95% CO2. This theory is used to promote the idea that less atmospheric CO2 helps life.

Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 22, 2019 8:38 am

“We can’t even measure this property on Mars with an atmosphere of 95% CO2.”
I think it is well understood that CO2 cools the Martian atmosphere, just as it does the Earth’s stratosphere. It’s just not reported much, for some reason.

In fact, the mere existence of the Earth’s stratosphere is predicated upon the notion that certain gases absorb solar radiation and thus heating the atmosphere. But the gas respsonsible for this heating is ozone, not carbon dioxide. If CO2 also heated the stratosphere, then Mars would have a stratosphere like Earth’s. In fact, Mars does not have a stratosphere, but its troposphere extends to 60km, with cooling lapse rate all the way up. There is no oxygen in Mars atmosphere, so no ozone either.

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Johanus
March 22, 2019 10:04 am

Johanus – Thank you for your informative reply.

“I think it is well understood that CO2 cools the Martian atmosphere”

That doesn’t even seem to be well understood on this site. I was told by a frequent contributor here that Mars is probably around 5 degrees warmer than it would be if it’s atmospheric CO2 were replaced with an equal mass of nitrogen.

Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 22, 2019 11:04 am

Any warming in the Martian atmosphere would be due to dust, which is famously prevalent due to fierce winds. Think of it as tiny pieces of the heat-absorbing ground, floating in the air.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 23, 2019 6:50 am

These two comments are timely. The fact that the atmosphere there is cooled by GHG’s seems to have escaped the public. There is talk of radiative balance in the MSM but not that adding GHG’s increases the ability of the atmosphere to cool.

If there was no water vapour, then it would work in a “textbook-according-to-Al-Gore” fashion. But there is, so the active region well above the surface and below most clouds confounds the simplistic notion that adding GHG’s increase the temperature “everywhere”.

What happens depends on the circumstances. It may, for instance, extend the polar boundaries of the tropical and temperature zones = nothing more.

Reply to  Johanus
March 22, 2019 11:46 am

CO2 cooling in the stratosphere compensating for CO2 warming near the surface would explain the observation that CO2 has little if any effect on average global temperature.

Reply to  Johanus
March 25, 2019 12:43 pm

It was something 2005ish when NASA and Pulkova observatory in St Petersburg Russia told that Mars´s polar cap is melting same pace with arctic. There was not much information about that inconvenient news. Makes me think that sun perhaps have it´s fingers in this soup. Or our SUV`s were there also.

Mike Maxwell
Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 22, 2019 7:30 pm

“The squeaky bird gets the worm.” Not to mention, the early wheel gets greased.

Reply to  Big T
March 22, 2019 7:46 am

When more people are not quiet, and the majority, they become the norm… hence we have witch hanging, and climate hysteria. Hopefully you’re right though and “normal” again becomes the norm…

Jerry Harben
Reply to  Big T
March 22, 2019 9:58 am

“The quiet, normal people with common sense will always win in the end.” … unless they are sent to the guillotine first.

Big T
Reply to  Jerry Harben
March 22, 2019 2:54 pm

If Christians they win anyway.

Reply to  Big T
March 22, 2019 7:45 pm

“The quiet, normal people with common sense will always win in the end.”

Actual science will always win … in the end.

Paul Johnson
March 22, 2019 6:16 am

For those wondering, the upcoming EU parliamentary elections are at the end of May.

Reply to  Paul Johnson
March 22, 2019 6:43 am

Yes Paul. The EU cabal is getting worried. Having built what may be described as a political democratic dam, the waters are rising to worrisome levels.

The sooner the UK extracts itself from Brussels the better, whatever the immediate costs.
It is a bit of a Dunkirk situation at the moment in my view; but that is from the perspective of age and experience; but doubt that the current generation has the bottle or the values of the principles at stake.

Reply to  Alasdair
March 22, 2019 12:36 pm

Yes look how the latest offer ( threat ) from EU polit bureau has carefully crafted dates which will ensure UK does NOT take part in the forth-coming european parliamentary elections.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Greg
March 23, 2019 5:55 am

No thought that sparing us from voting will save us the costs of holding the elections then?

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Paul Johnson
March 22, 2019 7:28 am

Theresa May? I’d love to see the end of her.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
March 22, 2019 11:24 am

Walter S: Be careful what you wish for. Get rid of her by all means, but have you seen the alternatives jostling to take her place. A real nightmare collection.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  harrowsceptic
March 22, 2019 6:52 pm

Gove is alrrady earmarked by Tory central.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
March 22, 2019 2:30 pm

Two words: Jeremy Corbyn.

March 22, 2019 6:21 am

Sanity returning?

Reply to  EdB
March 22, 2019 7:47 am

You know the adage you can only fool all of the people some of the time.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  EdB
March 22, 2019 11:29 am

There’s hope yet.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  EdB
March 24, 2019 5:38 am

Next Christmas.

March 22, 2019 6:22 am

Any day soon, there will be a hit piece in the Grauniad on Thierry Baudet for daring to question the Climate Change dogma.

March 22, 2019 6:41 am

It was indeed an amazing win and I followed most of it as it was unfolding on BVN (Dutch television). I was truly surprised. There are more people skeptic of man made climate change than I thought. I am hoping VVD will get the message and re-allign with FvD so that maybe they can still stop the new climate law in the senate.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  henryp
March 22, 2019 4:29 pm

Well, if political parties in the Netherlands are like those in the U.S., the least flexible members tend to be those in control. I’m thinking the leadership will take a hard pass on realignment and try to explain to the Dutch voters how foolish their choice was and why they need to return to the “sanity” of the VVD. (/sarc, if I really have to)

Rod Evans
March 22, 2019 6:56 am

At last the sensible scientific majority is asserting itself and making the case for true science, not Mann made science.
Good luck to the Dutch they have a history of good sense.

Reply to  Rod Evans
March 22, 2019 7:46 am

It was always the case this was going to go so far and no more before the general public was going to start putting politicians to the axe and to be honest they are lucky it wasn’t against the wall. Every election for 5 years around the world has been progressively swinging away from the eco left and emission control is never going to work or be accepted.

Essentially the whole climate change debate will now be taken out of climate science hands and it will be hard science and engineering that will be called on if required.

March 22, 2019 6:57 am

so nice to read Good news for a change;-)

Steve O
March 22, 2019 6:58 am

The idea was that a single currency, a single market, open borders, and a parliament with limited authority over its member states would gradually turn into a federal system like in the US of A. And it certainly would have.
But they may have broken themselves up over the issue of immigration. If that happens, it will represent a political miscalculation of historical proportions. Merkel might have a damp place in school history textbooks for hundreds of years.

It would not be hard to reverse course on immigration and save the union, but it will be interesting to see what happens.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Steve O
March 22, 2019 7:52 am

Steve, the other issues with the EU just got drowned ny the immigration one. The “other issues” created the immigration craziness. No the thing is rotten. That it might have worked if… is how todays commies talk about the failures.

Tractor Gent
Reply to  Steve O
March 22, 2019 8:20 am

Europe is extremely unlikely to become a federation of states like the US, whatever the EU panjandrums may wish for. The US grew organically as more and more people immigrated and were culturally assimilated. In Europe the different cultures, languages, outlooks and aspirations can’t easily be assimilated in the same way. Current attempts are looking increasingly disastrous as the public in many countries start to get restive about where they are being led. Immigration is only a small part of it, and though the politicians and other fellow-travellers would like to blame the plebs for being racist as a way of shutting down debate, this tactic will backfire – who likes to be called a racist?

The EU will eventually fall apart, though it may take years or even decades, and the final collapse may well turn pretty nasty.

Reply to  Tractor Gent
March 22, 2019 8:46 am

mainly how the countries and governments evolved…
socialism is a step up for them….
…and a major step down for us

ferd berple
Reply to  Tractor Gent
March 22, 2019 9:20 am

The EU is a fraud. It was sold to the people as a trade Union, not a government. It is ruled by an unelected committee. The committee seized power by turning trade regulations into laws.

The elected EU parliament is a figurehead. A government in name only.

The EU is a textbook example of how a small group of individuals armed with unlimited red tape can seize the power to rule over dozens of democratically elected nations.

Reply to  ferd berple
March 22, 2019 3:01 pm


+ 10

Short and concise comment and to the point.

Reply to  eyesonu
March 22, 2019 4:17 pm

I agree.
Had the Commissars wished to integrate Europe over generations, they may have Succeeded.
Softlee Softlee, Catchee Monkee – and all that.
But, no. They all wanted to go down as the Star who led Europe to – well, perdition, it seems . . .

Auto – wishing for Brexit; and Mrs. May’s overdue retirement.
Unhappily, her successor is likely to be a pilchard of one sort or another.
Jeremy Cormintern – if he wins an election – will be knifed by his Shadow Chancellor, Stalin McDonnell.
The Lib Dems are certainly not Liberal – and most certainly not Democrats.
The Tories are a bunch of career losers; if the had a leader, capable of finding her way out of her own front door, unaided, two goes out of three, Mrs. May would have been toast a year ago.
That leaves the Wessex Regionalists, who, I think, have not stood more than one Parliamentary candidate for a decade and a half . . . .

[Bangs head on desk]. Repeatedly.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  ferd berple
March 23, 2019 7:09 am

“The EU is a textbook example of how a small group of individuals armed with unlimited red tape can seize the power to rule over dozens of democratically elected nations.”

Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be that way, even if it is done several times because of a lack of imagination.

The long term result will be a global federation without all the bureaucrats. That idea is never countenanced on these graceful pages, but it is far more likely that people will learn to cooperate in larger and larger groups, not eternal factions. History doesn’t support the notion of a static political regime with increasing inter-group cooperation.

For some reasons it escapes many people as to how integrated the management of global affairs already is. Why does everything involving cooperation have to be some precursor of a communist stalag-state? Crikey – get a life.

The establishment of this very forum is only possible because of large scale of international cooperation and rule-setting. That fact that there is a nearly (deliberately) useless UN doesn’t mean all such efforts have to be either a tyranny or dictatorship. No one ordinary person will support either. Have a little confidence.

That the EU was taken over by an unelected bureaucracy is the first thing to bring up and a federation conference. East Africa will form a strong block. SADC already has. There is no trend to undoing these advances in cooperation because it brings so many benefits.

Ty Hallsted
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
March 24, 2019 7:03 am

All reasonable observations, Crispin. The counter point is driven by technological innovation and the unsustainability of the welfare state.

The same technology that allows this forum to exist has far-reaching consequences to the way humans organize and govern themselves.

James Dale Davidson has written extensively on this and foresees a return to something more like the “city-states” of old.

The argument, in a nutshell, being that “the industrial age” for a host of reasons contributed to the formation of nation states whereas “the information age” doesn’t, to anywhere near that extent. It diminishes the importance of “place”.

The details, extending far beyond my short nutshell version are too vast to tackle here, nor would I do them justice.

The crux is that someone whose job is performed in an office at a computer can do it equally well at home on their dining room table, thus we see more remote workers.

If they are in a high tax state, they can move to a low tax state, do the same job for the same company and pocket more of their earnings. States are then forced to compete with each other to provide favorable tax rates. Maryland lost some of their wealthy a few years back when they enacted a “millionaires tax” and New York recently debated and I believe decided against a tax hike of some kind because they feared a similar exodus of tax payers.

Similarly, should taxes cross some threshold, different for everyone, people in the U.S. or any other country will start to seek other more affordable domiciles. As they do, the welfare state that most major nations now support will begin to crumble and eventually force a realignment of government structures to some new paradigm.

Davidson foresees this as smaller independent entities rather than larger cooperative ones. Where governments provide essential services and tax payers are charged in accordance with the services provided, not their income. Time will tell which is right and maybe they can co-exist.

If interested in further fascinating reading check out “The Great Reckoning” and “The Sovereign Individual”, both on Amazon. “Blood in the Streets” is also good but the first 50 pages or so of “The Great Reckoning” recap it.

Davidson writes from an investment perspective. He tries to understand why things happened and what’s coming next, connecting dots I haven’t seen connected elsewhere. He did make investment predictions in “The Great Reckoning” and his timing was off. Such is the risk of predicting future events..

I do not recommend it for the investment advice, though, but for his in depth analysis of how and why different governing structures evolved and dissolved over the course of human history and what might be next.

Is he always right? Of course not. But he provides enormous fodder for the thinking person to contemplate.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
March 24, 2019 7:12 am

CiW, the problem with governments at any scale is the drive to centralized concentrated power.

The way to go is free associations of federations made up of ever-smaller jurisdictions that honor the principal of subsidiarity. No central authority should be dictating decisions that can be better decided at a level closer to those affected. When you have centralized bureaucrats setting regulations on the curvature and length of bananas, you know that something is amiss.

Reply to  ferd berple
March 25, 2019 4:24 am

Hear, hear. +42!

EU is a kind of a socialistic hell on earth. We, the people, have no choice or hope. It´s just taxes, taxes, taxes.

Reply to  ferd berple
March 25, 2019 12:51 pm


+42 !

You are so right, unfortunately.

What they promised, and the bone we got. This is brave new world.

Reply to  Steve O
March 22, 2019 8:27 am

It was also the tagging in of more and more human rights and wealth equity junk because they were going to have this one world thing.

The UN human rights charter is now 30 items … the first 20 make sense .. now read the last 10

It is a simple question do you feel it is your responsibility to ensure those last items for every person in every country on the planet and where does that leave a country sovereignty.

For my part you need to cut the UN’s legs off because those last items are over-reach in the extreme.

Reply to  LdB
March 22, 2019 8:48 am

Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

… HIS ?

I only skimmed the last 10 Articles, and the only place I saw gender was in the article where a duty was described. As much as this stuff much be reviewed before it is approved/adopted it is pretty amazing… Is there such thing as Mob Freudian Slip?

Paul Penrose
Reply to  DonM
March 22, 2019 11:12 am

In this sense, “duty” is being used as the chains of slavery, but apparently only men are to be slaves to the “community” (state).

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Paul Penrose
March 22, 2019 2:54 pm

But “slavery is freedom” so therefore duty is freedom. You see how it makes sense, now?

Reply to  DonM
March 22, 2019 8:41 pm

I had not noticed the Freudian slip obviously male writer 🙂

Reply to  Steve O
March 22, 2019 9:13 am

As far as possible, government should be kept close to the people it serves. The powers and functions that are most impactful to people’s every day lives should be local, then regional, then national and lastly a function of international agreement. This is especially true of a new “national” government like the EU.
Instead the are an onerous force in people’s lives with overreaching policies and inflexibility. It needs to be a much slower evolution toward top level governance but that is made difficult by the backwardness of many EU states. Some don’t even have proper land registries or protections against corruption and graft. Italy and Greece are basically banana republics.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  john
March 25, 2019 3:10 am

“Some don’t even have proper land registries …. Italy and Greece are basically banana republics.”

There are reasons why Italy and Greece
are reluctant to cadastral offices till today. The reasons are “3rd Reich, Turkey, Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Galipoli, Black sea, Georgia, Romania, …”.

Not at least EU – choose the preferred option.

Reply to  Steve O
March 23, 2019 11:45 pm

Disagree. No common language. A common language is necessary for people to unite. Not sufficient, but necessary.

Switzerland’s stability with 4 different languages is THE exception to that rule. But the cantons all have a considerable amount of autonomy.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Gospace
March 24, 2019 7:24 am

What about Belgium (3) and Canada (2)?

Never mind those western examples, what about India (22) or China (8)?

Gerard J O’Dowd
Reply to  Steve O
March 26, 2019 3:57 pm

Both Europe, UK post Brexit, and the US have the political problem of arrest, adjudication, decision and expulsion of those illegal immigrants already in country, some of whom are working, productive members of society with family.

The US political costs of prosecutions, repatriations will be prohibitive; the Republicans will fold every time MSM shows a video of ICE holding cells of families. Fiscal costs are equally great. Respect for ICE, National sovereignty, national borders, the right of citizens to be protected in their persons, property, and community is entirely absent in modern Democrat Party. Arises from a concept of the illegitimacy of the founding of the USA.

David Goodhart’s political analysis of Brexit voters in his book The Road to Somewhere rings true here in the US as well.

March 22, 2019 7:09 am

It proves that in reality almost nobody cares for the climate accept the hysteric climate alarmist troll army. Same in the USA

Gordon Dressler
March 22, 2019 7:26 am

There may be hope for the future of mankind after all.

Walter Sobchak
March 22, 2019 7:30 am

“a federal system like in the US of A.”

They never wanted that. They wanted unaccountable power without democratic inputs.

Sal Minella
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
March 22, 2019 7:49 am

I fail to see the difference.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Sal Minella
March 22, 2019 8:03 am

The majority of European voters do not want what the minority decides for them. That’s the difference. Two countries decide (FR &DE) then cook this in the un-elected commission and then brown-beat the council of ministers. Who’s deliberations are not open to the public.
Then all of a sudden pops out new legislation that only the minority likes….

The EU parliament then usually votes against it, this is ignored. In some cases some countries openly oppose stuff (like HU, PL, CZ, UK, IT, AT etc vis-a-vis the mass immigration, or NL, BE, UK, FI, DK etc etc vis-a-vis the Internet Link Tax & Censorship laws), but this is ignored to.

Sal Minella
Reply to  Jaap Titulaer
March 22, 2019 8:51 am

I still fail to see the difference.

Reply to  Sal Minella
March 22, 2019 11:41 am

now now,

although Hillary was unaccountable, and there were serious nefarious attempts to protect her power, the system is working. She has lost most of her power and she will soon be gone.

Although not held to account, some have lost power. Brennen, Comey, Clapper, McCain, and other weasels are slowly going away or dying (although soon to be replaced by less powerful younger weasels).

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Sal Minella
March 22, 2019 11:46 am

Oh LOL, I see what you mean. Compared to the USA 🙂

Yeah that has it’s issues at times as well.

But believe me, that is still miles away from the EU mess. We have all the bad things from a federated republic, none of the good things, and it is getting worse and weirder day by day.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Sal Minella
March 22, 2019 11:16 am

Try wearing your glasses.

March 22, 2019 7:32 am

Let me explain away some of the ‘errors’ in this article.

1) The VVD is not conservative at all. They are liberal. However if you compare it to european politics they are part of what people like to call the ‘right’ wing. Compared to the United States they are even more left/liberal then the Democrats. VVD used to be more liberal and for lower taxes and in recent years they cooperated with many left wing parties. This gave rise to Baudets Forum for Democracy.

2) The election was for the Provinces, but they elect the ‘1ste kamer’. The 1ste kamer can block laws and nothing more. The coalition now has to look at other parties to continue some of its new laws including a climate change law. They can pick between a socialist party and a green party. Picking the new Skeptic party will probally result in new elections.

3) One of the main reasons for the victory is due to the calculations on the new climate law. It simply costs to much without much gain. The fact that with economic growth, most workers do not see any of this and are looking at increased taxes on their way of living(heating, electricity, transport and vat taxes) All of this is and has been going up in recent years, but the average pay has mostly stayed the same.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Jeroen
March 22, 2019 7:59 am

As to #2: for those in CDA & VVD who can do the maths, they certainly know that the climate change law is a dead end. Can’t be done anyways, will just cost a shitload of money.

The department said that it was no problem to shutdown a coal-powered power-plant, at least 5 years ahead of schedule. But of course the costs will be retrieved in some way. And then they said they would probably also soon shutdown 3 brand new gas-powered plants, even though those are quite new and have cost billions. And then they said that this was just common business risk, so not their problem ! Of course NL will have to pay. Via claims & taxes or via the powerbill.

The department also indicated that it was no issue closing down thsi powerplant, still enough capacity and once they started on the next they would simply import the extra electricity via Germany (or some such). Which is not possible because the German grid is overloaded due to their own green nonsense.
Also the Dutch power-grid can’t really handle that yet.

Worse all the extra electricity for electric cars and heating mean one or two new high power connections for each home, and the local grids can’t handle that, nor the intermediate connecting grid. The entire grid will need to be replaced. Fat chance of that happening in 10 years, and it will certainly cost a bundle.


Knowing that, would the right-wing parties really want to continue with this left-wing hobby? Or do the majority of the members of those parties really want that?
So my guess is that they will not want to risk loosing more votes and will use the opportunity to delay or demolish this silly law. It still needs to be approved in the Senate, where they no longer have the majority.
If they instead decide to push ahead by getting votes from the left wing minority they will be the ones who will have caused all the damage and there will be little left of them in a few years time.

Jaap Titulaer
March 22, 2019 7:47 am

>> Euroskeptics who want to break up the union.

Not really. What they want is to get individual veto back, or always an option to opt out.
Issue is that undemocratic non-elected commission plus an opaque council of ministers calls the shots, not the EU parliament. And too many decisions are essentially made by just two members, who do not represent the majority. And too many of such decisions are then somehow made mandatory for the rest.

All that is really required is to change the EU agreements such that any country can opt out of such idiotic things like the Marrakesh pact, the Internet Censorship law, the Link-Tax law, the idiotic idea that if one country decides to allow in 1 million plus refugees that is just fine, etc.
So many want a return to the European Economic Union. Just free trade and that’s it. Other stuff on a voluntary basis.

By now it is such a mess that many populist parties indeed think that an exit is the only option.
But if a few bad apples stink up the neighborhood you can instead of deciding to leave also simply kick the bad apples.
I’m sure several of the current government or majority parties (AT, IT, BE, NL, UK, DK, FI, HU, PL) can find common ground, all that is really needed is just a few more people in just a few more countries that see the light.

Reply to  Jaap Titulaer
March 22, 2019 8:16 am

The thing to watch is the European Parliament. At the moment its a nothing. But consider the history of the Estates General, obsolete and impotent since 1614.

Called in 1789, pretty soon the Commons part became the National Assembly, then the Constituent Assembly… and not long after that we had the Committee for Public Safety.

Watch Parliament. Watch particularly for the moment when it refuses to continue the shameful commute to Strasbourg, and actually starts initiating legislation.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Jaap Titulaer
March 24, 2019 7:41 am

I don’t know, Jaap, I’m just reading their website and it seems unambiguous that they want out of the EU altogether.

Het is tijd om te stoppen met de muntunie en de open grenzen, en daarna de EU te verlaten. We willen samenwerken en handel drijven – en dat kan uitstekend via de Europese Vrijhandelsassociatie, eventueel via lidmaatschap van de Europese Economische Ruimte, en uiteraard via tal van andere internationale verdragen. Maar de EU, de open grenzen en de euro: daar moeten we vanaf.

Google Translate version:
It is time to stop the monetary union and open borders, and then leave the EU. We want to work together and trade – and that is perfectly possible through the European Free Trade Association, possibly through membership of the European Economic Area, and of course through numerous other international treaties. But the EU, the open borders and the euro: we have to get rid of that.

Hari Seldon
March 22, 2019 7:56 am

The Dutch have a history of madness as well…AKA The Tulip Mania. Lets hope their government, who have said the Netherlands will be ‘gas-free’ by 2030. Sheer madness

ferd berple
Reply to  Santa's little helper
March 22, 2019 9:54 am

Turning off the gas supply to homes to comply with the Paris Agreement will end up as economic suicide for the Dutch people.

Population density is only possible by adding energy. Shutting off the gas is removing energy. At some point in time you will end up also removing the people.

Once the people are gone, no energy must be added, no CO2, the Paris Agreement is satisfied.

People, low co2, prosperity. You can only have 2 at the same time.

March 22, 2019 8:09 am

The tide is turning….a little.

March 22, 2019 8:18 am

Great news!

March 22, 2019 8:39 am

They need, like Italy and others, to get on board the BRI – China’s Belt and Road Initiative. Brussels and D.C is having conniptions over Xi’s visit to Rome and Sicily.
Tabloids China-bashing are a sure sign Geraci is doing the right thing. Xi might even cross the Atlantic afterwards…

Reply to  bonbon
March 22, 2019 9:17 am

The Belt and Road is commercial imperialism. It is China’s pursuit of soft power via business and debt.
“It’s a trap”!

Reply to  bonbon
March 22, 2019 10:41 am

It wouldn’t surprise me if most of the China – Germany trade goes through The Netherlands already at this moment. The port of Rotterdam – where the Rhine and Meuse flow into the North Sea – might not be the world’s largest port anymore, it still is huge.

If anything at all, this BRI is a concurrent to the current trade routes through The Netherlands.

March 22, 2019 9:00 am

The insane CAGW cult is starting to implode.

The French are fed up with the CAGW scam, and now the Dutch have expressed their skepticism, too.

The Left will not be able to continue this CAGW charade for much longer.

Reply to  SAMURAI
March 22, 2019 4:27 pm

SAMURAI says with many others:
The Left will not be able to continue this CAGW charade for much longer.

That is why the green new deal and the dozen years panic.

Actual SCIENCE (data) on climate suggests we are likely entering a cooling period. Four or five years of winters like this one will wake up too many people, so only urgency has hope of smashing things.

Farmer Ch E retired
March 22, 2019 10:12 am

Could it be the Dutch are further along the learning curve regarding limitations of wind power than the rest of us?

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 22, 2019 10:48 am

Not the current government and many of the common people. They do not realize that solar and wind can never replace coal or gas. That instead they need Nuclear or Thorium if they want a source without CO2.

We did have a nice plan many years ago, just slightly dangerous: use 33% or even more of the the Ijsselmeer (Lake Flevo / the ‘South Sea’) as a huge storage place for pumped water. Energy generated by windmills and then stored by pumping water. When needed for consumption you drain the lake via turbines.
Issue was that this was considered too risky, as a failure of the dykes around it would mean a tsunami that could destroy a low city like Amsterdam.

Reply to  Jaap Titulaer
March 24, 2019 11:17 am

The problem is that the small height difference that can be reached on the IJsselmeer, won’t be enough to store large amounts of energy.

Area: 1100 km2.
Height difference, let’s say “h” meter.

There would be 1100*1000m*1000m*h = 1.1*h*10^9 m^3 water added. Which is 1.1*h*10^12 kg.

This stores m*g*h/2 = 1.1*h*10^12 * 9.81 * h/2 = 5.4*h^2*10^12 J. = 5.4*h^2 million MJ = 1.5*h^2 million kWh. (Divided by two because not all the water can fall the full height. On average, it can drop half the additional height)

The Netherlands use about 120 billion kWh electricity per year, which is about 330 million kWh per day. (According to CBS, the Dutch Office of Statistics)

In other words: We would need h^2 > 200, or at least 15 m of additional water level to store 1 day of electricity. We might have room for two meters at most, which would last half an hour.

Not to mention that while we might be able to dump that amount of water in the ocean, we can’t pump ocean water back up because the IJsselmeer is fresh water.

Yet-another-plan that sounds nice but doesn’t survive back of the envelope calculations.

UK Sceptic
March 22, 2019 11:26 am

Dear Netherlands,

Can we Brits temporarily borrow Mr Baudet until the end of April? We need him to show anti-Brexiteer PM, Treason (Dis)May, how standing up to the EUSSR should really be done. Perhaps she can then re-think her craven cave-in, aka the Not-Brexit Brexit deal, which is poised to be voted down for a THIRD time because no one but her and the EUSSR want it.


UK Sceptic.

Gerry, England
Reply to  UK Sceptic
March 23, 2019 6:01 am

You are mistaken if you believe that none of us support the Withdrawal Agreement. I freely admit that it is not a good deal but that is due to mistakes made by May right at the beginning – for reasons you are unlikely to understand – but I do know that the effect of leaving without a deal will be hugely damaging to our economy. And this view is held by millions across the UK.

UK Sceptic
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 23, 2019 8:00 am

You might believe that but being a lady I’m not going to comment further other than to say that millions more disagree with you about the deal and that includes Remainers.

BTW I never said anything about zero support for the so-called “deal”. Still, if you feel you have to straw man me to make your point then fire away. I like a good laugh.

March 22, 2019 11:37 am

Best day I’ve had in a long time. Hope he can deliver.

March 22, 2019 12:22 pm

Oh, well, democracy is a “bitch”….
One that in the end will never let down or betray the people.


March 22, 2019 12:45 pm

Don’t start with this ‘populist’ business.

Populism is democracy, that is what it means – demo kratos the power or will of the people.

Why are the political left now trying to demonise democracy?


Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  ralfellis
March 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Because they want totalitarian regines. This is what socialism always begets ultimately, or at least has so far.

Democracy is the enemy of totalitarianism.

Evan Jones
March 22, 2019 12:59 pm

Well, well, well.

I never had anything but contempt for the EU once I learned how it was set up:

A pathetic, sawed-off Duma dominated by a third-rate Star Chamber of Cardboard Napoleons.

March 22, 2019 2:32 pm

How can I support the Dutch today in purchasing items and tech? The anti-boycott also works.

March 22, 2019 11:23 pm

The far-left voices in media already have called the new party far-right, in an attampt to paint it so fringe it should not be handshaked with without single-use gloves.

In reality the the ‘populist’ parties in Europe are already mainstream, having vote shares at 15% range, same as many other parties and larger than that of the communists.

Steve O
March 23, 2019 1:23 am

I think it’s time to update that 97% consensus estimate. Even if the figure dropped to, say, 88% that would represent a 4x increase in the size of the skeptic camp. Then a later study can show a true estimate and further momentum away from the CAGW consensus.

jim heath
March 23, 2019 1:01 pm

The vast majority of the people believe what they are told, and the vast majority of the people have been lied to.

March 24, 2019 4:15 am

A brief history lesson about the E.U. and the UK.

Following the end of WW 2, France having been invaded twice by Germany,1914 and 1940 worried that it could happen again after the very industries Germans recovered from the War .

So Charles De Gaulle and others in France did a deal with Germany for a
economic union. Other European countries seeing the idea of a bigger
market for their exports also joined.

Now at this time the UK had a good deal going with the nations of the
British Commonwealth. These were mainly Australia, New Zealand and
Canada, plus the USA too. As with all good deals it was a case of the UK importing what it needed, meat, minerals etc, and in return exporting to those countries. It was a Win/ Win situation as all good deals should be.

But the head of the UK businesses wanted more, they wanted trade with this new European market. But the were strong objections by President De Gaulle of France who hated the Anglo Saxon block, especially the fact that the English language had taken over from his beloved French language as a world language.

He also considered the USA to be a part of the Anglo Saxon block, despite its mix of races. Oddly enough he never considered that Anglo Saxon is a
Germanic thing from 2000 years ago, so was happy with his union with
modern Germany.

Some years later the UK was allowed entry to the EU, but only if it severed
all of its links trade wise with the Commonwealth. This was a major blow
to mainly New Zealand, and lesser to bigger Australia. Canada suffered bout having the US market next door was able to cope. All succeeded in
establishing new businesses with other countries.

Slowly the EU got bigger, and the bureaucrats took over, a sort of Parliament was established in Brussels and as with all such bodies Empire Building tookplace, but hey had to justify this increase in size. So with the willing politicians all for the concept of a truly United State of Europe, it became very political.

The final straw was a single currency, the ERO. It seemed such a good idea,all of the money changers had to find new jobs. But then Greece happened,they asked to join the EU, and told big fibs about their economy. Once in they were granted big loans to modernise from a rural to a industrial economy.

But the Greeks living in a nice sunny, warm climate were not all that keen to change their way of life, so they rapidly employed a very large part of their working people in Government Jobs, all paid for by mainly German Banks.

Of course one day the Banks asked for returns on their loans, this came as a
big shock to the Greeks, fancy having to pay money back. So of course
Greece was Bankrupt.

Now in the pre ERO days a country in dire straights simply de-valued their
currency and did it tough for a few years until they fixed their economy,
but with a single currency they could not do this. Not sure how they are
getting on, probably more borrowing to pay back the earlier loons, until the EU wipes off the debt.

Then we had Mercal and her background in East Germany under
Communism, she decided to accept up to a million fit young men of a mix of Middle Eastern and African so called “Refugees”. She apparently thought of them in the same way that it was good to have East Germans move to West Germany as Refugees.

Now it seems that the UK has the best, perhaps we should call t, “Generous”
social security scheme, so a lot of these refugees drifted to the UK, which is
grossly overpopulated already. That was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

The other problems was that as it is the richest country it is require ed to pay the biggest “Fee” to the EU coffers. This was big money and he EU will miss it.

They are saying that the UK must still pay for many years to come for
schemes dreamed up when he UK was a member.

With 5 days to the 29th , the day for the UK to leave the EU and no deal, its going to be of great interest to see what is going to happen.

Yes I know, I did say “A brief History”. Sorry about that .


Osamas Pajamas
March 24, 2019 6:44 pm


“If an age is imbued with an error, some always derive advantage from the error, while the rest have to suffer from it.”
— Max Stirner

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Women and orphans hardest hit!

The planet has been “cooling” for at least the past 20 years, or so — the recent cook-the-books massage job by NOAA notwithstanding. And the so-called “experts” have never “once” demonstrated, recorded, or proven human causation for “any” global warming — it’s all been projections based on computer models subject to bad historical data, divergent / incompatible or inconsistent instrumentation, exaggeration and the-sky-is-falling alarmism, and manipulation-for-profit — for taxpayer-paid government grants, carbon-credits schemes, and studies required by environmentalist wacko government regulations. Climate change occurs — this is “old news” — and human action has never been proven the cause of climate change.

The anthropogenic [“man-made”] global warming religion has proven very profitable for those who own the religion and who drag around by the rings in their noses the useful idiots, airheads, and drooling, googley-eyed, bobble-headed sycophants who have an intense itch to be followers, “a part of a cause bigger than themselves” — who project an arrogant condescension onto ignorant [unbrainwashed] dissidents.

Contemplate Gaseous Al Gore — that lying sack of nevermind and doomsday cult Chairman Of The Apocalypse — who sold his failed global-warming alarmist TV station to Al Jazeera — a propaganda arm of some murderous oil dictatorship, somewhere out there in Kaboomistan.

Now, didn’t Al Gore buy a 6,500 square-foot, $9 million, very-high carbon-footprint mansion in Montecito — “only” 480 feet above sea level where it is sure to be inundated by the HUGELY TOWERING WAVES of polar ice cap melt celebrated in scare-em-silly fictional environmentalist quack movies — if his boolsheet theory of man-made global warming actually proves true to reality? And this is in addition to his 10,000 square-foot mansion in Tennessee, another huge carbon footprint! And hasn’t OhBummer already bought the ocean-front Magnum-PI property in Hawaii? His bloody “rising seas” ought to swamp and drown him — else he is a lying hypocrite.

I have no problem with people becoming fabulously rich in the capitalist system, but the stink of hypocrisy of Gaseous Al Gore — that lying fascist skunk — is annoying. He must be laughing up his sleeve at all the idiots who have enriched him through his scam, his hoax, his fraudulent religion — man-made global warming.

So desperate now are the profiteers of his nutty religion that they are resorting once again to Hollyweird for scary big-screen movies and TV shows to carry their lunatic propaganda.

They turn scientific method on its head, demanding that skeptics prove “that there is not” any man-made global warming, but no one is obliged to prove any such thing — for the same reason that we are not obliged to prove that the moon “is not” made of green cheese.

It tells me something useful about opposing the former OhBummer dictatorship when my reference to the moon and the green cheese was hijacked for an OhBummer speech. Possibly his speech was written by Biden The Magnificent, that lobotomized serial plagiarist who served as OhBummer’s principal criminal accessory.

The ecofreaks and enviromaniacs? Destroy them. Let’s just focus on ensuring clean air and clean water.


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