Guest post by David Middleton
From The Washington Times…
The science of climate change is anything but settledBy Roy W. Spencer – – Wednesday, March 13, 2019
ANALYSIS/OPINION:
On March 5, 58 senior military and national security leaders sent a letter to President Trump denouncing his plan to form a National Security Council panel to take a critical look at the science underpinning climate change claims. Their objections to such a Red Team effort were basically that the “science is settled.”But if the science is settled, what are they afraid of? Wouldn’t a review of the science come to the same conclusion as the supposed consensus of climate scientists?
The letter claimed, “Climate change is real, it is happening now, it is driven by humans, and it is accelerating.”
While climate change is indeed real, it is not at all obvious how much humans have to do with it. Even the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) admits this, saying only that over half of warming since the 1950s is believed to be human-caused. So, “driven by humans” is an exaggeration, even by the IPCC’s rather alarmist standards.
The additional claim that climate change is “accelerating” can also be challenged. In recent decades, warming actually decelerated, and there is a growing gap between climate model forecasts and measured global temperatures.
In fact, a peer-reviewed paper published last year in the prestigious Journal of Climate found that the observed level of global warming since the late 1800s, including the deep oceans, was consistent with a climate system only half as sensitive as are the climate models guiding U.S. energy and national security policy.
And even that study assumed that all of the warming was human-caused. If recent warming is only half anthropogenic, then the global warming problem is only one-fourth as bad as the public is being told.
In their letter, the Gang of 58 then used Hurricane Florence from last year as a supposed example of human-caused climate change. Seriously?
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Dr. Spencer goes on to demolish the Gang of 58’s reasons for opposing President Trump’s Red Team.
Dr. Spencer nails it:
Their objections to such a Red Team effort were basically that the “science is settled.”But if the science is settled, what are they afraid of? Wouldn’t a review of the science come to the same conclusion as the supposed consensus of climate scientists?
What are they afraid of? Getting their @$$es kicked? Made to look like fools? Losing precious time in the Global War Against Weather? According to Ayock & Beto (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez & Robert Francis O’Rourke) we only have 10 or 12 years to save the planet from destruction… So, clearly the planet can’t afford any delays in the implementation of the Green New Deal Cultural Revolution. Speaking of saving the planet…
Speaking of Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke… Did anyone else hear his moronic comments about the Green New Deal Cultural Revolution? (Side note: My wife, who is Mexican, refers to Beto as “Puto.” I can’t repeat what she calls Ayock in a PG-13 environment…not that the George Carlin bit was PG-13).
QUESTION: Your thoughts on the new green deal?
BETO O’ROURKE: The question is on the Green New Deal, and if you don’t mind I will take the spirit of the question. We face catastrophe and crisis on this planet, even if we were to stop emitting Carbon today, right now at this moment, we know that the storms we saw in Texas, Harvey, which dumped a record amount of rain on the United States of America, as long as we have kept records, that claimed the lives of too many of our fellow Americans, flooded people literally out of their homes and businesses. Storms like Harvey will be more frequent, severe and devastating. Ultimately they’ll compromise the ability to live in a city like Houston, Texas. The droughts experienced in the panhandle of Texas, five years straight. We got rain and went back into droughts again. The same scientists say those droughts will be more profound, more severe. At a town hall like this. A young woman came in with her two children. She was skipping her son’s basketball practice to be there to talk to a Democrat though she was a life long Republican. She told me what her grandparents planted on the farm, what her parents planted on their farm, she’s now trying to plant it and it doesn’t grow. She said climate change isn’t something to prepare for. It is here.
Let us all be well aware that life will be a lot tougher for the generations that follow us, no matter what we do. It is only a matter of degrees. Along this current trajectory, there will be people who can no longer live in the cities they call home today. There is food grown in this country that will no longer prosper in these soils. There is going to be massive migration of tens or hundreds of millions of people from places that are going to be uninhabitable or under the sea.
This is the final chance. The scientists are unanimous on this. We have no more than 12 years to take incredibly bold action on this crisis. My gratitude to them for the young people who stepped up to offer such a bold proposal to meet such a grave challenge. They say we should do nothing less than marshal every resource in the country to meet that challenge, to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, to get to net zero emissions, which means not only must we emit less greenhouse gasses, we must plant things that absorb greenhouse gasses and Carbon and invest in the technology to allow us to claim some that are in the air now. Can we make it? I don’t know. It’s up to every one of us. Do you want to make it?
[ applause ]
Your kids, my kids. Ulysses, who in 2050 is going to be just about my age, will be looking back on this moment in Keokuk in 2019 and every moment thereafter to judge what we did or failed to do. Thinking about us, his kids’ lives, whether they can even breathe, depends on what we do now.
Some will criticize the Green New Deal for being too bold or being unmanageable. I tell you what, I haven’t seen anything better that addresses this singular crisis we face, a crisis that could at its worst lead to extinction. The Green New Deal does that. It ties it to the economy and acknowledges that all of the things are interconnected.
It also recognizes some communities have borne the brunt of pollution more than others. The asthma deaths we have in the United States of America concentrated in some neighborhoods, some people more than others. It wants to make sure we do our part in making this more equitable, helping communities already hurt so badly. That we ensure there are jobs available for those looking for work for purpose, for function in their lives who are succumbing to the diseases of despair.
In so doing make sure the world’s greatest superpower, its greatest democracy, and economy brings everything we have to the unique challenge. Literally. Not to be dramatic, but literally, the future of the world depends on us right now here where we are. Let’s find a way to do this.
As difficult as it is to imagine, Puto Beto appears to actually be dumber than Ayock, and rates 25 Billy Madison’s.
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It is a good thing that Beto O’Rourke supports the crazy New Green Deal, because he will fail at the general election if he makes it that far with that platform. He probably represents the young, new and upcoming Democrat that may get some traction at the polls, similar to the upswing that Obama got with his fiery rhetoric. But if he clings to the socialist marxist crazies that are driving the democratic youth, then he will have to wait until Trump finishes another term. Most voting people just won’t vote for this nonsense of a NGD, not where it really counts anyway.
He will start making speeches in another year that proclaim that we are not a Blue America or a Red America but a Red, White and blue America, which come election day will only be discussed on Fox news.
Remember when B Ob claimed to be a moderate American before he got control and acted like a marxist dictator?
I have a feeling that most people who post on this site are Amish.
Yes, people tend to forget that Hugo Rafael Chávez was B Ob’s hero, probably still is. The CIA just prevented him (i.e., Chávez) from implementing his policies properly.
The level of hubris required to state that scientific knowledge on something as complex as the climate and how it changes, is settled, should mark anyone doing so out as either an idiot or charlatan.
How about BOTH?
Very recently, Nikolov and Zeller made an empirical discovery that shows planet temperature is solely determined by the atmospheric pressure and the strength of the sun. The predictive accuracy indicates atmospheric content plays no role in temperature. CO2 has no effect.
Models developed for the UN to predict future temperature rise have been proven wrong year after year. An inarguable sign that your theory is wrong, or at least woefully incomplete, is when models based on the theory fail to predict system behavior.
Insisting that a theory successfully predicts behavior before accepting the theory is fundamental to the scientific method. Why is the UN pushing Global warming so alarmingly. They must have an ulterior motive. Whatever it is, Canada is getting shafted.
Why does the UN allow China and India to burn coal with impunity? Because global warming is a myth.
James Hansen’s Former NASA Supervisor Declares Himself a Skeptic – Says Hansen ‘Embarrassed NASA’, ‘Was Never Muzzled’, & Models ‘Useless’. Anthony Watts / January 27, 2009. That was 10 years ago. How much longer will it take?
A whole lot longer because now it is officially a religious cult by possessing the two critical elements of a cult:
1. A vision of a coming apocalypse that they have been given a special revelation and purpose to evangelise.
2. An exclusive vision of their message (and themselves) that cannot be questioned or critiqued and those who do offer counter-arguments are shouted down, mocked and ridiculed, told not to question — ‘the science is settled. The ‘unenlightened’ are attacked personally, not their arguments and evidence in unapologetic ‘ad hominem’ personal attack.
It’s not going away, it can’t…look at all the children protesting in the street last Friday, how could they be wrong and who’s going to tell them?
It is called Al Gore’s Church Of Climatology
https://twitter.com/ThiagoMaia2503/status/1106655947601178626
https://twitter.com/ClimateReality/status/1106985927115571200
There’s another reason why the cataclysmic global warming’/climate change mafia won’t go away — now it is officially a religious cult. Consider that it possesses the two critical elements of a cult:
1. A vision of a coming apocalypse that they have been given a special revelation and purpose to evangelise.
2. An exclusive vision of their message (and themselves) that cannot be questioned or critiqued and those who do offer counter-arguments are shouted down, mocked and ridiculed, told not to question — ‘the science is settled. The ‘unenlightened’ are attacked personally, not their arguments and evidence in unapologetic ‘ad hominem’ personal attack.
It’s not going away, it can’t…look at all the children protesting in the street last Friday, how could they be wrong and who’s going to tell them?
What are they afraid of?
Losing money.
Big Solar, Big Wind, Big Electric Car, Big “Carbon Storage,” Big Electric Battery, et al..
ALL depend on a Big Fat Lie (that is, that there is any data at all to prove a correlation between human CO2 and “global warming” <– that is their conjecture; "climate change" is just a propaganda term unfortunately promoted regularly by science realists who use it carelessly, thus helping to promote the "climate change"/AGW agenda)
Cui bono.
Edit: “a MEANINGFUL correlation between… .” IOW: Not one scintilla of evidence proves causation between human CO2 and “global warming” (or “climate change”).
Janice Moore March 16, 2019 at 3:27 pm
Hi Janice. Michael
Hi, Michael. Janice 🙂 Hope all is well with you and your family.
Janice Moore March 16, 2019 at 8:39 pm
The older is now in college. He is 21. The younger is 11 . He is scary smart. he knows and understands more at his age then I did. .. it concerns me.
I am not bragging.
michael
It is good to see you back.
That is wonderful, Mike. Thanks for sharing that.
Hi, Tom! Thanks. 🙂
Sending hugs from Ireland on Paddy’s day, Janice. Great to read your words of wisdom here again. I’m not alone in sending best wishes.
Regards, Eamon.
Happy St. Patrick’s Day to you, too, Eamon! Good to know that someone who has the facts straight about nuclear power (and CO2) still inhabits the Emerald Isle.
Here is a little blessing from me to you. Since you are likely about to lay your head down on your pillow, a lullaby (and some sheep 🙂 ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St5jq2ssChU
“Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ral”
Sleep well, securely held in the “everlasting arms” of your Good Shepherd.
Take care over there,
Janice
Hello friend!
Janice, wonderful to see you back again! I hope all is well with you.
Pop! 🙂 Great to see you, too. All is not “well,” but, given that I am healthy, I can truly say that I am “okay.” Thank you for saying “Hi!” And I hope you are doing more than okay! 🙂
I’m still enjoying life, thanks to positive thinking. 😉
Oh, Pop. Sorry things are kind of tough. And, good for you. You inspire me to do the same and adjust my attitude by doing as a little song I like says, “Count Your Blessings” and STAY POSITIVE. Thank you for that. Glad you are here.
..My favorite Librarian hath returned…How have you been ?
Hi! 🙂 Thanks for taking the time to say “Hi.” I guess by now that you’ve read my other comments about “how I have been.” I hope you are doing well. Still praying for you. Has “she” come along? I believe she IS out there!! Don’t give up! I KNOW that is my dream for you not yours (at least not admitted here, heh) for yourself. I am praying for it ANYWAY. Pahrumph! 🙂
Oh, and, ssshhhhhhh! (just kidding — AS IF I WANT PEOPLE TO BE QUIET AROUND THIS PLACE!! lolololol)
Gotta luv it when Janice gets worked up 🙂
Hey, James. Heh. 🙂
Janice!!!!!!!!!!……….HEY HEY!! miss you….
Latitude, Dude!!!!!!!!!! 🙂 I miss lots of you wonderful people here, too. I enjoy you all, so much. The depressingly lukewarm atmosphere around here is what keeps me away (along with some living situation issues).
Seconded, Latitude!
We definitely miss the impish irrepressible polite Janice!
Hi, Theo! Thank you!! 🙂
What are they afraid of? Loss of funding. Absolutely! On the nose! Always follow the money trail.
Long time no see! Since then (and a lot of people here haven’t heard), I’ve gotten divorced, our house is sold, I’m closing on another on Tuesday. I’m doing okay.
After that (and assuming I get my butt off FaceBook), I’ll catch up on a lot of WUWT stuff.
At least New England weather keeps doing bizarre stuff. Some constants are never settled.
Dear Ric,
Glad to see you, too. So sorry about what you have been going through (during both the years leading up to the divorce, usually it takes many ….. and through the heart-wrenching (even if a relief), tedious, process of getting the final judgment in your case).
“Irretrievably broken.” That was a tough thing to read and to realize and to sign my name under. Even though the breaking had gone on for years.
Glad you are okay. I will pray for you, though. You have been and will be, no doubt, going through many days of gloomy weather, even though it is now sunny much of the time.
Keep looking forward. Good things are ahead for you!
With gratitude for all you’ve done to help me with posting images and videos and all the other support you provide for us here,
Janice
I agree with AOC and Beto O’Rourke. We need to take the threat of climate change much more seriously. The 58 senior military and national security leaders who wrote that letter are also correct. Climate Change is a grave and present danger to our national security.
Climate Change must be stopped at all costs!
I recommend artillery.
Consider the composition and capabilities of our Armed Forces. The Air Force is uniquely suited to fight Climate Change anywhere it rears its ugly head in the atmosphere. The Navy is equipped to combat Climate Change both on and under the worlds oceans. Also, with the Marines, the Navy can dispatch expeditionary forces to fight wherever Climate Change might run to. The Army can and will fight on land to defend the country against the coming scourge. Ground units with tactical close air support can deal a devastation one-two punch the enemy.
Just wait until Climate Change gets a taste of that napalm and artillery.
The only significant threat from “climate change” is the threat from the zealots who believe passionately in it and the damage they will do if they gain control. They must be stopped.
You may be correct as to the true nature of the threat. In either case, the optimal solution is the same.
Artillery.
The Global War on the Weather calls for Atomic Annie…
Excellent use of the music in that soundtrack, David. Quite effective, don’t you think?
“I love the smell of radiation in the morning”
On the hill south of Fort Riley , Ks ….
pull off 70 and hike up the hill .
Uh, you’re supposed to include a /sarc tag when you say those things, y’know TonyL..
?????
A /sarc tag?
What on Earth for?
Look up Poe’s law Tony, you wouldn’t think it, but sarc tags really are required in this day and age.
Beto O’Rourke is a spoiled rich kid, as is AOC. Neither really has an actual education, or at least they exhibit no sign of it.
But they can be “cool”.
The Green New Deal is a good test for both political radicalism and sheer ignorance of the real world, so anyone who supports it, let alone anyone who wrote it, gives dispositive proof of both.
“The scientists are unanimous on this.” More precisely, 75 scientists worldwide (also known as 97%) are unanimous on this. Remaining 13,000 disagree in various degrees. They are not unanimous in their disagreement.
And here is a WUWT article (republishing pop tech’s work) to back you up, CG: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/
Dr. Spencer, you deserve to be on the presidential science committee.
No way, Roy is about the only scientist to maintain his sanity in this morass. Sending him to Washington will damage his level headedness for life!
you know….why are people still going around and around with this “science”….put a damn stop to it
If CO2 is really toxic and going to destroy the planet….then cut those +200 developing countries off
…make them go for zero emissions too and see how long this s c a m lasts
No one had any problem stopping freon, mercury, arsenic, DDT, etc because they really are toxic…
…there’s two choices
Either all these developing countries do not believe one word of this s c a m…
…or they are all suicidal
As a long suffering Canadian, yes there are suicidal countries. First Ontario’s economy was severely damaged by Gerald Butts and Dalton McGuinty. Gerald Butts then moved up to the federal level and used the vapid Justin Trudeau as his vehicle for continued destruction by moving on to the oil producing western provinces with bizarre regulations. How exactly does one do a gender analysis on a pipeline? Perhaps its phallic nature as a start?
It’s slow suicide, but suicide nevertheless.
I don’t think the scale of the damage wrought by Butts is appreciated by the general population. The CBC will never reveal it, of course, and now that he has been embarrassed into retirement from his post inside Trudeau’s ear, they can let him slink away (unless he gets called to court over the SNC Lavelin influence peddling scandal).
It was only recently that I realised the depth of his involvement in the Ontario Power fiasco which will cost us $130 billion over 30 years. The cost of offsetting a ton of CO2 (badly calculated offsets at that) is $257 per ton so far.
Whether the Canuk government can recover from their positions into which they have been manipulated by foreign-funded “charities” remains to be seen. Money has been pouring over the border.
Here is one article on the foreign interference as manifested in the infiltration of anti-oil activists:
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/gwyn-morgan-talk-about-collusion-how-foreign-backed-anti-oil-activists-infiltrated-canadas-government
Like the US, I think we deserve a little investigation into “foreign interference”.
DDT IS NOT TOXIC . It was the 1st UN science scam. Ozone was the next and hopefully CO2 will be the last.
Freon was off patent and generic. It was highly efficient. The replacements were patented and less efficient. Cui Bono!
It’s here, ya hear?
Long ago I speculated that Al Gore dropped out of Divinity School after learning how ancient shamans used weather guilt and fear to manipulate hoi polloi. We are there again, ya hear? Ancient days are calling to an ancient people.
Though it is a lie that weather has become more extreme, and though real global warming will decrease the polar/equatorial temperature gradient and decrease weather extremes, we’ll not get easing of the madness of the herd that is climate catastrophe until we get some global cooling. That may well be in our near future, despite the likelihood of powerful narrative disruption to hide the fact of cooling. We can but hope, but it is peculiarly ironic to hope for global cooling, which truly will be destructive, to cool the fever of this climate madness.
Red teams are good, but we’ll need a whole professional league of them to make much difference.
I hope I’m unduly pessimistic, and that truth and real unbiased science can moderate this false narrative of climate catastrophe, but I’ve been waiting for fifteen years for the truth to shine through the muck of money and power. It shoulda happened sooner, and just why it hasn’t, I’m not sure.
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Bad news always sells more copies than good news, it seems. Maybe it’s the negativity of a spoiled-rotten western populous. The press caught on and sell doom by the truckload.
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populouspopulace)America has little experience with socialism. That’s actually bad. It’s like the native Americans having little experience with the germs brought by the Europeans.
There is a correct dose of socialism and it’s not zero. The Scandinavian countries thrive with a surprisingly small dose of socialism. link
If Americans vote for a big dose of socialism with Bernie and AOC, the result will be very bad but hopefully not fatal. Certainly, if Americans come to understand socialism they won’t vote for a big dose.
America already has a dose of socialism. The first New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, etc.
America was desperate for something like FDR’s New Deal. link
My century old mother was a teenager and a young adult during the Great Depression and she lived in the Dust Bowl. Folks like her have a different take on the New Deal than do younger people who, quite frankly, have no clue about the conditions in the 1930s.
SJWs complain of today’s world and compare it with what happened in WW2. There’s a big difference between not being able to get a cake for your gay wedding and being gassed and cremated. Just saying.
Even Roosevelt’s Secretary of Treasury wrote a jeremiad about what policies had been enacted. They worked so well that the US had the slowest recovery from the Depression. The unemployment rate was still about 19% in 1939.
The harms to agriculture are still with us. When oats became popular, the US had to import it.
That is just one example. As Alistair Cooke said. the US tried fascism in the New Deal.
You can’t argue with older folks, like my mother, they thought FDR was god and when you died you went to warm springs, ga.
commieBob
No one understands socialism because it’s personal to everyone and relies on each of them running a country themselves.
When they eventually realise it’s a political ideology never designed to include them, it’s usually too late.
Saskatchewan tried a variety of socialist experiments. Some worked, some didn’t. In any event, grass roots involvement was strong. Also, it was farmers not labor. It was an interesting overlap of CCF socialism and libertarianism. Anyone who even whispered collectivization would have been shot. Marx was a four letter word for sure.
I was at a Creation Science lecture quite a few years ago. If I asked a question during the talk, I was told it would interrupt the discussion — could I ask during the Q&A at the end? Which I did, only to be informed there wasn’t time for that, then.
Bears a startling likeness to the Climate Science discussions.
There are proven ways to handle troublemakers. Mussolini was not the first one.
“…On March 5, 58 senior military and national security leaders sent a letter to President Trump denouncing his plan to form a National Security Council panel to take a critical look at the science underpinning climate change claims. Their objections to such a Red Team effort were basically that the “science is settled.”…”
Do these 58 individuals believe the president has never seen the Wizard of Oz? Are they telling him to pay no attention to “that man behind the curtain”? ……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubIpoPjBUds
The more I’m told to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, the more suspicious I get.
The question that I would ask of the concerned Leaders and/or Experts , is
how does one tell the difference between a molecule of CO2 from out
of the smokestack of a power station or a car, to a molecule of CO2 which
comes out naturally from say the Ocean, or our breathing it out.
As I understand things chemically they are identical, so how can various
experts tell us how much of the so called “Carbon Pollution” is from
man made fossell fuel generation ?
MJE VK5ELL
The simplest way is to keep track of how much coal, oil and natural gas are burned each year and compare this to the annual change in atmospheric CO2. You can also look at the change in 13CO2. This doesn’t tell you which molecule is which; but it does tell you that at least some, probably more than half, of the rise in atmospheric CO2 over the past 150 years is due to the combustion of fossil fuels.
David:
Only hydrocarbon nothing to do with land use or natural variance?
I didn’t even allude to that. The fact that some, almost unquantifiable, portion of the rise has to come from fossil fuel consumption, doesn’t exclude other sources, natural or anthropogenic.
Until such time that all of the sources and all of the sinks are thoroughly quantified, there’s no way to quantify the anthropogenic component as a percentage of the total mix with any degree of certainty.
So it’s a lie that humans emit 5%?
Yes. We only emit 3%.
Who’s claiming that?
Arithmetic…
The δ13C of CO2 from the current mix of fossil fuel types is estimated at around -28 per mil (δ13C is the 13C/12C ratio relative to a standard). Atmospheric CO2 is currently around -8.5 per mil and is declining, as would be expected if the CO2 that is being added to the atmosphere has a lower δ13C than that.
However, we can also estimate the δ13C content of the incremental atmospheric CO2 from the observed decline rate. It is -13 per mil. Nowhere close to -28 per mil. There is a possible oceanic explanation for this mismatch, but one thing is for sure: the observed atmospheric 13C/12C decline rate is not the same as the rate that would be seen if it only reflected the addition of entirely anthropogenic CO2.
Yep. δ13C is not diagnostic.
Engelbeen had a go at this a few years back:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/05/why-the-co2-increase-is-man-made-part-1/
And to supply the counterpoint to Mr. Englebeen’s view, here are 3 threads where Bartemis, fhhaynie, Allen McRae, and others supply their refutations:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/05/the-emily-litella-moment-for-climate-science-and-co2/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/10/unexplored-possible-climate-balancing-mechanism/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/25/about-spurious-correlations-and-causation-of-the-co2-increase-2/
I beg your pardon, Mr. Engelbeen.
Seems you are a little off your game Janice, I can clean up most shots, but you’re gonna have to eventually hole one.
None of these even addresses Ferdindand’s post. While exact attribution is impossible, and up to half of the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be due to the warm-up from the Little Ice Age, basic mass balance dictates that some of the rise has to be due to fossil fuel combustion. The math simply can’t work otherwise. The uncertainties are primarily in the inventory of natural sources and sinks.
Dr. Salby’s point about 13C is valid. Carbon isotope excursions (CIE) aren’t diagnostic. However, the CO2 emissions from the combustion of coal, oil and natural gas are depleted in 13C relative to the overall atmosphere. This can be directly measured.
The fact that the Warmistas are wrong when they claim that certain types of evidence are conclusive, diagnostic and/or “fingerprints” doesn’t alter the fact that these observations do constitute evidence, albeit with far more uncertainty than they acknowledge.
You either did not read the comments on the threads for each of those articles or you did not understand them, Mr. Middleton.
You did not refute Bartemis’ and the others’ well-supported, ably argued, arguments by your simple dismissal.
Yeah, the above is manifestly obvious to all who read your comment, but, I felt that Bartemis and the rest deserved better than what you gave them — a sneer and a wave of the hand.
I didn’t refute anything, nor was than my intention. I just pointed out that none of the posts addressed Ferdinand’s main point: mass balance.
From Ferninand’s post…
The only disagreement I have is with this phrase:
Global warming, particularly warming of the southern hemisphere oceans, could account for up to half of the observed increase.
Ferdinand is generally correct.
I’m going to insist that all these earnest souls from science peeps to ecohippies and their ilk show us their sincerity – so that we can measure its volume – by agreeing to wear rebreathing equipment. There is a large enough group of them to show that their personal emissions are just as damaging as anything the rest of the world does, including my use of natural gas to heat my home, heat water, and cook.
I’m saying “Put your money where your mouth is, or go find your own secret island and stay there.” 🙂
For anyone who is interested, Beto O’Rourke was a hacker when online service was through the baud rated modems. Here is the link to that: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6814145/SPECIAL-REPORT-Beto-ORourkes-secret-membership-legendary-hacking-group.html
I’m sure that his followers will think this is just SO cool!
It’s Neo..! Neo has come to save us from the Matrix..!
Disqus has been blocking my comments for a couple of years now.
Somewhat O/T but… We have many more important agendas to deal with on a global scale than the climate issue. If it becomes the deciding factor of the next US election, IMHO the Democrats will lose.
If a national security council panel IS established, then the findings must deal with the real-world data as articluated by Dr Roy. In other words, the climate zealots will do anything and everything to stop the truth from being exposed.
Remember when Beto live streamed his dental exam? Someone photoshopped him live streaming his proctology exam. Quite funny because it seemed so in-character (i.e., clueless, banal) for him.
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/beto-televises-his-colonoscopy-live-t20465.html
“Climate
changekookmania is real, it is happening now, it is driven by humans, and it is accelerating.”There, fixed.
Mob Mania ignorance loves bandwagons..even scientists with no balls and who want tenure and 15 seconds of fame and talk like caged parrots on cue are getting paid to dessiminate climate paranoia…Our post.modern academia operates like a Star Chamber at majority of US universities..preordained outcomes are created intentionally, considering WHO creates and funds the special “chairs” (appointments) and the so-called studies being churned out like bait on a hook. The oligarchic octopus-like media primed for climate change content to feed the masses normal fear reactions knows that fear, sex and identity politics attract eyeballs and ears with headlines that are repetitive on basis..day after day…. China controls much of the minerals to create technology necessary to manufacture the so.called replacement to fossil fuels..no wonder Russia is the scapegoat of the Demoncrats, instead of China..the political globalist fix was always in, IMO…decades ago in Congress..look at Harry Reid’s kowtowing to China for years.
If the science is settled then we can slash the research funding and spend that money on something useful, like tornado prediction.
Or the next alarmist-blamed molecule that “might, may, could” do us harm and can easily be taxed. Hide your wallets. If history’s any kind of guide, it’s coming.
ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N – The next EPA ‘molecule(s)’ for blame are the perfluorinated compounds:
https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/drinking-water-health-advisories-pfoa-and-pfos
https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/materials/perflourinated_chemicals_508.pdf
And for Janice – Indeed, welcome back from the land of Jay ‘I’ll ramrod through a Carbon Tax on my watch’ Inslee – our mutual and once-beautiful Washington State! Looks like ‘Old Jay’ needs a Carbon Success Story to use for his run for El Presidente, so SEN Hobbs of the WA State Legislature has presented a Fuel and Carbon Tax that may just pass into law (http://search.leg.wa.gov/search.aspx#document).
Sorry to hear you have been having issues, and I wish you well. looks like the PNW is finally coming out of our unseasonably cold winter, and a few days of above-normal temps are headed our way. may the sunshine provide you with a brighter outlook on things!!
Regards,
MCR
Hi!
Thank you, so much, for your kind words and good wishes.
Jay Inslee. Ugh. To use a fine Irish word: what a BUFFOON. Bought and paid for by Big Wind/Solar/Electric Battery, et al..
Yes, aah, the sunshine I am gazing at right now, turning the primroses and pansies on my mom’s apartment deck into glowing garnet and amethyst, happy yellow, and vivid green, is so lovely. What a RELIEF. Given my living situation, this was the hardest winter of my life. So glad spring is here (yes! who cares about dates on a calendar! 🙂 ) at last.
Re: carbon tax (what a RIDICULOUS concept!), i.e., artificial market share for industries that CANNOT COVER THEIR OWN COSTS OF PRODUCTION WITH THE MARKET PRICE, it will die, just like the “head tax” Seattle chopped off. Even UNION workers were against that one. The unions are against this one, too.
I hope all is well with you,
Janice A.(ccepting the way things are) Moore
If CO2 is causing all of the climate change problems then Why is Germany and the USA pushing a program that causes ZERO CO2 emitting Nuclear Power Plants to shut down? The shut down of NPPs will add years to the date that a reduction in CO2 can be obtained.
If CO2 is causing all the climate change problems then WHY is India and China, the next biggest contributors allowed to INCREASE their CO2 emissions for many years? They are each building more Coal plants than the USA has Shut Down.
If CO2 is causing all the climate change problems then WHY are many EU countries emitting MORE CO2 through the use of “biofuels” (wood pellets), dirty coal – that was outlawed decades ago in the USA (which is also a heavy in other toxic elements).
If CO2 is causing all the climate change problems then WHY is there NO herculean effort to build as many ZERO emitting Nuclear power plants? My calculations show that if the money spent on the Climate Change farce had been spent on Nuclear power from the date of conception (1988 or so), The level of CO2 woul be on a downward trend.
The most promising approach to winning the debate with alarmists is to attack it at its foundation. Basic and irrefutable “greenhouse” theory demands that the troposphere respond to increased concentrations of “greenhouse” gases by trapping IR frequencies and thereby warming the atmosphere, thus retarding the natural cooling of the surface. Any minor warming from “greenhouse” gases produced by man is amplified by temperature-induced increased humidity, H2O being the vastly more consequential “greenhouse” gas.
The fundamental problem for the alarmist “scientists” is that modern measurement improvements has shown that atmospheric humidity is not following modeled predictions and the atmosphere, especially over the tropics, is not warming as predicted. Measured atmospheric and surface temperatures both show less warming than predicted by UN IPCC climate models. The measured/modeled discrepancy is most pronounced in the tropical troposphere; no “hot-spot.”
The Presidential Commission must focus on this issue. Any other approach leads to tail-chasing, never-ending arguments over items such as butterfly migrations, temperature record adjustments, polar bear counts, ocean heat content, increasing storminess/floods, increasing desertification, etc. You would get into arguing over every sentence of every UN and U.S. climate report.
There’s another reason why the cataclysmic global warming’/climate change mafia won’t go away — now it is officially a religious cult. Consider that it possesses the two critical elements of a cult:
1. A vision of a coming apocalypse that they have been given a special revelation and purpose to evangelise.
2. An exclusive vision of their message (and themselves) that cannot be questioned or critiqued and those who do offer counter-arguments are shouted down, mocked and ridiculed, told not to question — ‘the science is settled. The ‘unenlightened’ are attacked personally, not their arguments and evidence in unapologetic ‘ad hominem’ personal attack.
It’s not going away, it can’t…look at all the children protesting in the street last Friday, how could they be wrong and who’s going to tell them?
No science is ever settled. It is in a constant state of refinement. The process of that refinement is :
Speculation
Experimentation
Analysis
Discussion
Repeat – Ad infinitum!!!!!!
Anyone that refuses to follow this process is hiding the flaws of their conjecture, and covering for their failure to provide sufficient experimental evidence to support their position. This has been going on for a very long time. Yet, so many semi-intelligent people are willing to cover for fraudulent claims. Government money is a toxic pollutant to rational methods of scientific inquiry.
Thank you Roy for the work you do, and your refusal to prostitute the scientific method, for political expediency.
Elsewhere on WUWT I read they have discovered heat travels in waves. What does that do to the CC theory? What does that tell you about the Scientists that discovered it.
LAst week I heard that they now have rejected the Accepted theory on how the Earth’s Moon was formed. A few years ago They decided Pluto is NOT a Planet. Yet CC has been settled science for going on 30 years and STILL there has been no definitive, reproducible, independent PROOF – other than a computer models that do not agree with each other – as I have a degree in Computer Science i fully understand how worthless that is. Haven’t written a program in 20 years and I could still write one proving that Airplanes can not fly – but wait – they do!