Time Magazine: Illegal Immigrants are Climate Refugees

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Time Magazine, President Trump’s Climate Change Policies are helping to create the border crisis.

The Real Culprit Behind Trump’s Border Emergency? Climate Change

By JUSTIN WORLAND
2:15 PM EST

President Donald Trump is expected to convene a new panel that will likely undermine the expert consensus that climate change threatens national security.

But experts say that move is at odds with his recent declaration of a national emergency at the U.S. border, where thousands of the Central American migrants have arrived after fleeing the effects of climate change.

Yeah, they’re economic migrants, but they’re really climate refugees,” says Robert Albro, a researcher American University who has studied the effects of climate change in Latin America. But “the politics around this is so toxic that it’s unlikely to have any kind of productive forward motion in the foreseeable future.”

“They usually don’t go after the first drought,” says Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at the University of Texas at Austin. “But when the drought comes back and they don’t have many any more savings, they have do something.

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The notion that climate change could constitute a national emergency has won over many Democrats eager for ways to implement climate policy come 2020. For that reason, many Republicans have remained skeptical of Trump’s emergency declaration. “Today’s national emergency is border security,” said Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican. “But a future president may use this exact same tactic to impose the Green New Deal.

Indeed, future Democrats may point to the migrant crisis to justify it.

Read more: http://time.com/5535086/trump-climate-change-national-emergency/

Even if the Latin American illegal immigrants pouring into the USA are climate refugees, how would building more wind turbines or solar panels help improve the situation?

People who see everything through the lens of climate change often seem so keen to grasp at tenuous policy “solutions” which promote their agenda, they’re happy to ignore real solutions which would provide far more immediate relief.

Surely a more immediate solution would be to improve border security, to stop dangerous criminals from sneaking into the country disguised as refugees, then help any countries afflicted by worsening droughts by providing food relief and improved water infrastructure.

Illegal immigration is a significant issue for US citizens and for the immigrants themselves. Seeing their plight as an opportunity to push the green agenda, while ignoring policy options which would provide immediate benefits, seems a little heartless.

Update (EW): Included the quote about droughts triggering the migrations

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95 thoughts on “Time Magazine: Illegal Immigrants are Climate Refugees

  1. Got to find 50 million before 2020…or is it 2030? So we need to start counting everyone as a climate refuge.

    • No, they’ve already missed the mark. Remember back in the 80s and 90s when 2010 was the ‘game over’ year. We were supposed to have 50 million by then, mainly because of sea level rise.

    • “President Donald Trump is expected to convene a new panel that will likely undermine the expert consensus that climate change threatens national security.”

      Someone might actually examine and question the pseudo science we are supposed to believe? They surely feel threatened.

        • As good Catholics, the citizens of Central and South America have been following the Pope’s ban on birth control. You can thank (or blame) the Papacy for the explosive overpopulation in these countries.

          • Louis,
            Your opinion seems to be more based on ideology or anti-Catholic bias than informed by data.

            Which country is the origin of the asylum seekers’ caravan? Honduras
            Honduras has the lowest per capita GDP in Central America, but a lower fertility rate than the richest country in Central America (Panama). Panamanians are 4.5x richer than Hondurans but have a 2% higher fertility rate than the Hondurans.

            Fertility rate, children per woman (2019):
            Niger 7.15
            Somalia 6.12
            Congo (DR) 5.96
            Mali 5.92
            Guatemala 2.90
            Panama 2.47
            Belize 2.46
            Honduras 2.42
            Nicaragua 2.16

            Mexico 2.14
            El Salvador 2.05
            New Zealand 1.97
            France 1.97
            Iceland 1.92
            Sweden 1.91
            USA 1.89
            UK 1.87
            Australia 1.83
            Norway 1.83
            Belgium 1.80
            Costa Rica 1.76

            source: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/total-fertility-rate/

            Per capita Gross Domestic Product (USD 2017):
            Panama $25,400
            Costa Rica $16,900
            El Salvador $8,900
            Belize $8,300
            Guatemala $8,100
            Nicaragua $5,800
            Honduras $5,600

            source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

            Let’s take a look at the correlation:
            Panama $25,400 2.47
            Costa Rica $16,900 1.76
            El Salvador $8,900 2.05
            Belize $8,300 2.46
            Guatemala $8,100 2.90
            Nicaragua $5,800 2.16
            Honduras $5,600 2.42

          • Rich, I’m not anti-Catholic at all. I’m an old altar boy myself and attended parochial schools all the way through high school.

            The birth rate numbers you cite are from 2019, but I was referring to the birth rate in the 1950’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. The church has always taught that children are a blessing, and the more the merrier. Children certainly can be a blessing, provided you don’t have more than you can provide for. But as Paracelsus observed, “Dose makes the poison.” The over population in latin american countries is largely a result of church teaching.

          • It’s not “over-population”, Louis. It’s mal-administration. Corrupt governments that allow drug cartels free rein.

            Another example being Venezuela. Not a victim of over-population, but a victim of socialism. Once the richest country in South America, driven to despair by socialists, not by too many bambinos.

          • Salute Rich!

            It was not “socialism”, it was a coupla “warlords” and even the old USSR did not take all the wealth from their resources without allocating at least a subsistence level of food, education, housing, poor health care of sorts, and the state-dictacted job.

            This dude gives much meaning to the term “banana republic”, except the place mainly had oil.

            Gums sends…

    • Article quote:

      “They usually don’t go after the first drought,” says Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at the University of Texas at Austin. “But when the drought comes back and they don’t have many any more savings, they have do something.”

      “YUP”, …… ”RIGHT”, …… and each one of those “climate refugees” take the last $10,000 of their saving to pay someone to “smuggle” them across the border into the US.

      Take a close look at the pictures and videos of those “marching” climate refugees and then ask yourself how many of them “look” ….. poor, badly clothed, barefoot, mistreated, malnourished, hungry and or destitute.

      And don’t pay any attention to those “new” $20 backpacks most are carrying and which are chock-full of “goodies” that the street-people in LA and San Fran would kill for.

  2. The rhetoric is getting more and more idiotic. Does this mean there is a tipping point where they all suddenly burst out laughing?

    • If it wasn’t so serious, it would be funny already. The whole climate change schtick is a theater of the absurd.

  3. ” President Trump’s Climate Change Policies are helping to create the border crisis.”

    Witness the longest bow ever to be drawn.

    Who even reads this crap.

    • At least ‘The Onion’ is fun to read.
      Time Magazine has become so stupid it’s painful to read.

  4. I hope the climate refugee highway is two lane. If it gets any colder and snowier around here, I’m going to be heading in the direction the refugees came from.

    • So we will all become climate transients…the horror of summers in the Rocky Mountains and winters on the beaches of Mexico…

      • When ones work involves a lot of travel, one often finds oneself in Lowell, MA in February and Djibouti in August. So being a “climate refugee” would be an improvement!!!

  5. With a complete World-wide absence of any Climate Refugees, the alarmist ave to find what they can to fill their quota of ‘Climate Refugees’ by labeling Economic Refugees as ‘Climate Refugees’. The Alarmists are seeking problems as weapons that they can use instead of solving or preventing problems. Improving border security is a proven solution to restoring order in migration. It stops dangerous criminals from coming into the country disguised as refugees, and stops criminals exploiting people wanting to come in illegally for criminal profit. Politics and religion can produce refugees faster than any Climate change.

  6. President Donald Trump is expected to convene a new panel that will likely undermine the expert consensus that climate change threatens national security.

    That will take about 15 minutes.
    Have they scheduled a really short meeting?

    It might take me 30 minutes, but this panel has some smart folks.
    Apparently Time Magazine no longer has editors and proof readers.

    • “expert consensus that climate change threatens national security” reminds me of a goodies episode where 9 out of 10 Doctors Agree if you don’t eat sunbeam sliced bread will get squashed by elephants

  7. I am old enough to remember Time Magazine being relevant 20 years ago. My, times are a changing…enough of this bs already!

    • I’m old enough to remember Time Magazine being irrelevant 60 years ago.

      US News and World Report was relevant 60 years ago.

      • Ed,
        I concur! I was 14 years old 60 years ago. I read all the periodicals at the local library. US News and World report was the best. Newsweek was better than Time but both became a no-read within ten years. Scientific American and National Geographic were a very good read then but are trash now.

        For non-news, American Heritage was my favorite read for decades with Smithsonian coming in second. Current news magazines and newspapers are not worth even a glance at the headlines.

  8. Exhibit A:
    “D6.1. Social justice and equity are core aspects of climate-resilient development pathways that aim to limit global warming to 1.5°C as they address challenges and inevitable trade-offs, widen opportunities, and ensure that options, visions, and values are deliberated, between and within countries and communities, without making the poor and disadvantaged worse off (high confidence). {5.5.2, 5.5.3, Box 5.3, Figure 5.1, Figure 5.6, Cross-Chapter Boxes 12 and 13 in Chapter 5}”
    From: Key messages of the IPCC‘s SR1.5 Report
    https://report.ipcc.ch/sr15/pdf/sr15_spm_final.pdf

    Victimhood, masquerading as “social justice” is part of the Democrat’s (and internatiolly the Solicalist-Progressives of the West) identity politics. Victimhood shifts blame both for the immigrants who are universally fleeing the economic mess of their native country’s bad political system, and for the politicians who want their votes and political power in their adopted country that encourage the open border policies.

    Those Liberal politicians act like it’s a moral imperative that Western countries take in these refugees which just encourages more refugees, while they can’t even adequately take care of their own lower-economic status citizens.

    And now climate change is the ultimate dog-ate-homework excuse for those Liberal politicians. The answer to their prayers to destroy the West and capitalism. It transfers accountability from their necessary political malpractice and incompetence in pursuit of political power. (Latest exhibit: AO-C)

    These are a coming together of ideas, a mash-up if you will, that the Liberals use to try and gain more political power. We see that mash-up now in how social justice issues, feminist issues, and climate change are now all woven together into one package. Now include immigration into that mash-up.

    The latest IPCC themes, the Green New Deal, and Open Border Advocacy as climate issue are all forms of this mash-up that is really at the heart of way Climate Change is now just a junk mash-up of political science.

    And these SJW/Climate Warrior/Open Border-types are not just coming for your fossil fuel, your wallet book, or even your 401K. They are coming for your very liberties of free speech, free religion, free thought, and freedom to raise your children with the values you and your family hold dear.

    • Social justice anywhere is injustice every… Some of the worst violations of human and civil rights are committed under the euphemisms of SJW. #PrinciplesMatter #HateLovesAbortion

      • Putting “social” in front of any thing is logically the equivalent in front of it.

        Social Justice = Not Justice
        Social Science = Not Science
        Social Warrior = Not Warrior

        • Mark W, you missed out “Social Intelligence” as per this WUTW report from 23 Feb 0900:

          “High IQs aren’t going to be enough to stop an ecological disaster. It’s going to take social intelligence, too. That’s the conclusion of a new study co-authored by a University of Central Florida researcher and published Wednesday in the journal Nature Communications.”

          Your list should read:

          Social Justice = Not Justice
          Social Science = Not Science
          Social Warrior = Not Warrior
          Social Intelligence = Not Intelligent

          Fixed!

      • Problem they now have was Social justice and equity were removed from the rule book at COP24 so there is no roll for them in an IPCC report.

        • After the SR1.5 fiasco, the more intelligent of the Climate Crusaders realized how toxic the SJW wing was to the climate cause. Like keeping your crazy felon uncle out of the family Christmas photo for the Christmas card, but yet he is still there in your family.

          Climate Change activism is in bed with the Left and all its SJW sociopaths.

  9. The natural climate is good. The social climate, not so much. And political climate (PC)… #EmigrationReform

  10. “Yeah, they’re economic migrants, but they’re really climate refugees,” says Robert Albro, a researcher American University who has studied the effects of climate change in Latin America.
    What are the effects of climate change in Latin America that are creating these refugees?
    Inquiring minds want to know.

    • Why is anyone surprised when someone who spends his life climate change in Latin America has discovered that everything that happens in Latin America can be traced to climate change.
      Even things that have been happening for hundreds of years.

      • Climate Change is just the academic rent-seekers’ newest gravy train. And they are riding’ that train to their next grant as willing propagandists. Truth be damned, becasue in the Liberal world-view everything is relative including morals and moral belief.

  11. Let me see if I have gotten this straight. An increase of 0.3C over the last 50 years has made their homeland uninhabitable?

    How the heck has humanity survived the last half million years?

    Let’s not forget that the cool down they have experienced by moving north as far as they did, is 10 to 20 times bigger than the alleged increase that forced them to move.

  12. Well then Justin Worland, eliminate the demand for fossil fuels in your life. You are making the plight of the refugees worse. And tell Time magazine to do the same. You both need to disconnect from the grid and switch to wind and solar energy. And walk or take your bicycle to work.

    You and Time need to set an example for the rest of us. If enough people like you do this, the plight of the refugees would ease now wouldn’t it?

    And while you’re at it there Justin, check out what some scientists believe might have contributed to the downfall of the Mayan civilization down in the Yucatan and Central America back in Pre-Columbian times….a series of droughts. Did the Mayans cause them?

  13. From the article: “Today’s national emergency is border security,” said Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican. “But a future president may use this exact same tactic to impose the Green New Deal.”

    That is a ridiculous argument. A future Democrat president can declare a national emergency on any subject whether Trump declares one or not.

    Good luck getting a national emergency implemented on the New Green Deal. Explain to me how that would work, Marco.

    The president has military construction funds he can use to build barriers and other things at the southern border. That’s really about all the room he has in this national emergency.

    He can build walls and add infrastructure to the southern border along with increasing the number of personnel. And that is about the extent of what he can do there without further Congressional approval.

    So how would using a portion of the military budget and building walls and installing scanners and hiring border security people, going to be of use in implementing the New Green Deal?

    I suppose the funds could be redirected to building windmills but how many windmills can you build for a few billion dollars? Then what are you going to do when the president runs out of money he can move around and you still need an additional $3 TRILLION !!! per year to implement the New Green Deal.

    Your future Democrat president is going to be woefully short of cash to do his NGD national emergency all by himself. Do you see how ridiculous your claim is, Marco? I hope you do because it is.

    Well, one thing about it, the Democrats are circulating a bill of disapproval to stop Trump’s national emergency declaration at the southern border.

    All Trump supporters should take note of this vote, and should make a supreme effort to oust any Republicans that vote with the Democrats on this issue.

    This vote will smoke out the weak sisters in the Republican Party, and then it will be up to us to get rid of them and replace them with people more in line with Trump supporters, i.e., conservatives, who see siding with the Democrats and their socialism as much more dangerous than a Republican president declaring a valid, constitutional national emergency at the southern border.

    We will be watching, Republicans. If you don’t back Trump, we are not going to back you come the next election.

    And then Trump will veto the bill if it actually passes, and there is no chance the Congress will override his veto, so Republicans have no practical reason to vote against Trump.

    If you Senators are worried about the separation of powers issue, let the Supreme Court sort it all out. That’s what they are there for. Your vote against Trump won’t help anyone but the socialists and we know what they have in store for the United States, and none of it is good. Don’t help them one little bit.

    We’re watching.

  14. Trump has declared US open for business. He does not incentivise economy crippling intermittent power generation to drag the economy down. He has not implemented a nationwide ETS. The number of SNAP recipients has declined 16% on his watch. Unemployment is at a 50 year low on his watch.

    These indicators surely makes the US an attractive place to be at this time in history. Much of it a direct result of Trump’s policies. So he has to take a fair share of the blame for making the country the destination of choice for refugees from other countries that have hobbled their economies with intermittent power generation and wealth sapping ETS.

    The easy way to reduce illegal immigration is to turn the country into an economic basket case so it is no longer a desirable destination. Obama seemed to be doing a good job on that front.

    • RickWill – February 22, 2019 at 8:03 pm

      So he (Trump) has to take a fair share of the blame for making the country the destination of choice for refugees from other countries

      “YEP”, Trump’s fair share of the blame amounts to 5% compared to the Democrat’s fair share of 95%.

      70% to 80% of illegal immigrants that have already crossed the border or are in route to illegally cross the border are doing so, have done so, because of all the “FREE” things that the Democrats have made available to them once they get across the border.

      Hell, they don’t have to work once they get here, the State and Federal government will provide them EVERYTHING they need or want ……… even a “Get Out of Jail Free Card”.

  15. (T)slime Magazine. A propaganda rag.
    There is no un-natural or unusual increase in droughts over the long term in Central America.
    Send these people back!!

  16. More fake news.

    The Time article sites climate risks in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Funny, but the most recent CPC weekly hazards for Central America doesn’t show any drought for any of those countries:
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/international/camerica/central_america_hazard.pdf

    Last Fall when the Guardian came out with a similar article blaming climate change for the first wave of migrants, only about 30% of central America was covered in an area the CPC described as “Abnormal Dryness”, which is D0 on a scale that goes up to D4 (exceptional drought). Abnormal Dryness is very common (21-30% of cases). Furthermore, no area was listed as being under a state of drought by the CPC at that time. If a D0 event (abnormal dryness) in 30% of the area constitutes climate change then that’s really moving the goal posts. What next, an August thunderstorm in New York city is also evidence of climate change?

    Furthermore, even if a significant area of central America was under an actual drought right now, that still wouldn’t constitute climate change by itself, since one would have to show that droughts have been getting worse over time. Both Time and the Guardian should retract these articles.

  17. The current surge in illegal entry from Central America is not driven by drought or other climate phenomena, but by the widespread knowledge of the “catch and release” policy established by the prior administration. While Mexicans entering illegally can be readily turned back, Central Americans claiming asylum, however fraudulently, get detained briefly then released into the U.S. interior to disappear.

    • “Central Americans claiming asylum, however fraudulently, get detained briefly then released into the U.S. interior to disappear.”

      Yes, that is the heart of the problem. Those people know all they have to do is step one foot into the United States, then they will be arrested, and detained for a short period of time, and then they will be released into the general population of the United States, where they have welfare payments and free healthcare and free housing made available to them.

      If I were a poor person living in Central America, or anywhere else in the world, I would be making my way to the U.S. southern border as fast as I could go. The Land of Milk and Honey is just over the border.

      What the Republican Congress should focus on is getting these ridiculous immigration laws changed. They ought to be publicly browbeating the Democrats every day about these issues.

      Just putting up a border wall won’t fix these problems. Legislation is required.

  18. The occasional drought, occasional flood, a hurricane now and then, sometime a bit too hot, sometimes a bit too cool. Every once in a while, a bug infestation and a tropical disease. Nothing has changed.

    These people, if they are fleeing because of “climate” are fleeing because it hasn’t changed. It is the same as it always was. See above.

    What we need, I suppose, is some way to start controlling the climate instead of letting it carry on not changing its long term behaviour. We have been far too passive about this. For centuries we stood by while the climate continued being its normal self, running through its bag of tricks with regular monotony. No change. (Sounds like a municipal bus driver.)

    Ice from the sky, an early frost, rain in winter, June snow – nothing gets better, it just keeps on not changing.

    How do I know? I have been fascinated by the weather since primary school. I used to run home and shoot the sun at noon each day for six months to manually produce a graph of the sun’s elevation above the horizon. I had a kids weather station before high school.

    What have I noticed? The climate hasn’t changed in my lifetime, not perceptibly, and not statistically. It carries on not changing year after year. I was prepared to accept that the growing season was getting longer but a short few years ago a late frost wiped out over 70% of the fruit crop in the whole of Ontario in two nights. The following year I put plastic over the fruit trees and saved some of the crop.

    The only thing that changed is me.

  19. ‘The Real Culprit Behind Trump’s Border Emergency? Climate Change’

    Rofl. For good. Doesn’t pass the smell test. Here’s a spoon for you, it’s yours.

  20. The best weapon against all of these “Climate Refugees” from both Africa and South America is called a Condom.

    Then and only then should we use the World Bank to start digging for coal and then build the power stations.

    MJE

    • Sorry buddy, but that’s both mean and imprecise. Most South America has already a fertility rate near two, and many refugees/aliens/immigrants from Africa that end up in Europe or the USA are from countries which have a decent fertility rate.

      The places which suffer from mass emigration are more likely suffering from war, lack of hope for better future, nepotism, organized crime, and paternal family control. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria as good examples. Many of these people don’t have any idea what they are doing when they pay €2,000 for a human trafficker who then leaves them to die in a sinking boat or similar.

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Fertility_rate_world_map_2.png

  21. They are refugees from socialism.

    The Romans tried what we would call socialism in their collapse phase. It didn’t work. In fact it made things worse. Well, worse for the people. Better for the government.

    The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter – pdf. The good stuff starts in Chapter 4.
    https://wtf.tw/ref/tainter.pdf

    https://youtu.be/GzuviYRse3E – about 3 minutes

    The Collapse of Complex Societies – a Review
    http://classicalvalues.com/2019/02/the-collapse-of-complex-societies/

  22. stop dangerous criminals from sneaking into the country disguised as refugees, then help any countries afflicted by worsening droughts by providing food relief and improved water infrastructure. –>

    stop dangerous criminals from sneaking into the country disguised as refugees, -than- help any countries afflicted by worsening droughts by providing food relief and improved water infrastructure.

    Regards –

  23. “Illegal immigration is a significant issue for US citizens and for the immigrants themselves. Seeing their plight as an opportunity to push the green agenda, while ignoring policy options which would provide immediate benefits, seems a little heartless.”

    And absolutely counterproductive.

  24. Climate refugees exist. A crescent number of retired families escape brutal cold winters by relocating further south where Mediterranean climate is more clement and comes with less heating bills.

    Rumors are that the increasing number of HR cargo are mostly those who elect to remain there until their final journey home.

  25. Time magazine has removed logic and reason from their articles and are hence on the side of idiot chaos. Money that is wasted is a tragedy.

    What is the return on investment $ spent on green scams vs climate change stopped?

    Worst how much poverty in the world has there been reduced by spending on green scams.

    Illegal immigration is a very expensive and ineffective means to help the 62 million people in South America that live in extreme poverty.

    https://www.cepal.org/en/pressreleases/poverty-latin-america-remained-steady-2017-extreme-poverty-increased-highest-level

    In 2017, the number of people living in poverty reached 184 million (30.2% of the population), of whom 62 million live in extreme poverty (10.2% of the population, the highest percentage since 2008), according to the report, Social Panorama of Latin America 2018, presented this Tuesday by Alicia Bárcena, Executive Secretary of the United Nations regional organization, at a press conference held in Santiago, Chile.

  26. But but the IPCC in AR5 that Warm air can contain more water. This means that we can expect heavier rain in a warmer climate.

    • In Canada we don’t expect warmer weather because our Prime Minister, bless his cotton socks, BHCS, wants to introduce a carbon tax to stop it. Why he wants to keep Canada cold is beyond me.

      MAKE CANADA WARM AGAIN!

  27. Why do articles that blame climate change never spell out how the climate has changed? It appears that ‘climate change’ is the only kind of ‘change’ that does not require anything too be different.

  28. While the use of some form of birth control may upset those who still believe in the Bibles, both of them. The simple facts are that the Rev. Maths was right. “When a species exceeds its food supply it dies”.

    Today of course with the TV shots of a little girl with a swollen belly, we the once rich “West” are expected to provide aid. But the more aid we provide the more people will breed.

    And the more will try for a home in the rich Western countries where by being on welfare they are far better off than back where they came from.

    MJE

  29. And global warming is all about the science, not the politics?

    The Warmistas are evil followers of the evil Canadian Maurice Strong. They are evil money grubbing crony capitalists or evil power hungry ideologues. Criminally dishonest all.

    [Irate mode off]

  30. Yes its ironical that the whole of the Green issue is a mix of greedy Capitalists and the top people who dream of a Communist world, Mark two.

    The Politicians in their drive for a vote anywhere are of course the major problem,. Here in Australia we have the State of Victoria who despite the brown out in the electrical power a fee w weeks ago, are a green state.

    So both the Liberal (Conservative) party, and the Labour have to say nice things to the Victorians, but then they go North to Queensland and have to say nice things to the people who want coal mining.

    Its complicated even further in that Queensland who has a Labour Government, with the Premier saying nice things about a proposed coal mini, Adani, but the vice Premier being violently against that development.

    Such is life in energy rich Australia, but as we have to show a good example to the rest of the world, despite our 1 % emissions, we have the dearest electricity.

    MJE

  31. There is no longer any world problem that hasn’t been blamed on climate change. The answer to any problem is climate change, and the solution is always socialism. Of course the media don’t require any data or any correlation whatsoever, just an “expert” saying that “more of X is consistent with what is predicted due to climate change”. Critical reasoning skills are dead.

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