Time Magazine: Illegal Immigrants are Climate Refugees

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Time Magazine, President Trump’s Climate Change Policies are helping to create the border crisis.

The Real Culprit Behind Trump’s Border Emergency? Climate Change

By JUSTIN WORLAND
2:15 PM EST

President Donald Trump is expected to convene a new panel that will likely undermine the expert consensus that climate change threatens national security.

But experts say that move is at odds with his recent declaration of a national emergency at the U.S. border, where thousands of the Central American migrants have arrived after fleeing the effects of climate change.

Yeah, they’re economic migrants, but they’re really climate refugees,” says Robert Albro, a researcher American University who has studied the effects of climate change in Latin America. But “the politics around this is so toxic that it’s unlikely to have any kind of productive forward motion in the foreseeable future.”

“They usually don’t go after the first drought,” says Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at the University of Texas at Austin. “But when the drought comes back and they don’t have many any more savings, they have do something.

..

The notion that climate change could constitute a national emergency has won over many Democrats eager for ways to implement climate policy come 2020. For that reason, many Republicans have remained skeptical of Trump’s emergency declaration. “Today’s national emergency is border security,” said Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican. “But a future president may use this exact same tactic to impose the Green New Deal.

Indeed, future Democrats may point to the migrant crisis to justify it.

Read more: http://time.com/5535086/trump-climate-change-national-emergency/

Even if the Latin American illegal immigrants pouring into the USA are climate refugees, how would building more wind turbines or solar panels help improve the situation?

People who see everything through the lens of climate change often seem so keen to grasp at tenuous policy “solutions” which promote their agenda, they’re happy to ignore real solutions which would provide far more immediate relief.

Surely a more immediate solution would be to improve border security, to stop dangerous criminals from sneaking into the country disguised as refugees, then help any countries afflicted by worsening droughts by providing food relief and improved water infrastructure.

Illegal immigration is a significant issue for US citizens and for the immigrants themselves. Seeing their plight as an opportunity to push the green agenda, while ignoring policy options which would provide immediate benefits, seems a little heartless.

Update (EW): Included the quote about droughts triggering the migrations

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Steve
February 22, 2019 6:06 pm

Got to find 50 million before 2020…or is it 2030? So we need to start counting everyone as a climate refuge.

Big T
Reply to  Steve
February 22, 2019 6:24 pm

Demonicrats votes are what they are.

Stephen Reilly
Reply to  Steve
February 22, 2019 9:46 pm

No, they’ve already missed the mark. Remember back in the 80s and 90s when 2010 was the ‘game over’ year. We were supposed to have 50 million by then, mainly because of sea level rise.

Reply to  Steve
February 23, 2019 2:57 pm

“President Donald Trump is expected to convene a new panel that will likely undermine the expert consensus that climate change threatens national security.”

Someone might actually examine and question the pseudo science we are supposed to believe? They surely feel threatened.

February 22, 2019 6:07 pm

“Illegal immigrants are climate refugees”

Yes sir. And bank robbers are climate victims because the climate made them do it.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/10/29/climate-change-refugees/

R Shearer
Reply to  Chaamjamal
February 22, 2019 6:22 pm

I only want to make undocumented withdrawals.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Chaamjamal
February 22, 2019 6:39 pm

“The Real Culprit Behind Trump’s Border Emergency?” – The Papacy.

Fixed!

Rich Davis
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
February 23, 2019 6:52 am

Huh?

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Rich Davis
February 23, 2019 9:20 pm

As good Catholics, the citizens of Central and South America have been following the Pope’s ban on birth control. You can thank (or blame) the Papacy for the explosive overpopulation in these countries.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
February 24, 2019 8:07 am

Louis,
Your opinion seems to be more based on ideology or anti-Catholic bias than informed by data.

Which country is the origin of the asylum seekers’ caravan? Honduras
Honduras has the lowest per capita GDP in Central America, but a lower fertility rate than the richest country in Central America (Panama). Panamanians are 4.5x richer than Hondurans but have a 2% higher fertility rate than the Hondurans.

Fertility rate, children per woman (2019):
Niger 7.15
Somalia 6.12
Congo (DR) 5.96
Mali 5.92
Guatemala 2.90
Panama 2.47
Belize 2.46
Honduras 2.42
Nicaragua 2.16

Mexico 2.14
El Salvador 2.05
New Zealand 1.97
France 1.97
Iceland 1.92
Sweden 1.91
USA 1.89
UK 1.87
Australia 1.83
Norway 1.83
Belgium 1.80
Costa Rica 1.76

source: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/total-fertility-rate/

Per capita Gross Domestic Product (USD 2017):
Panama $25,400
Costa Rica $16,900
El Salvador $8,900
Belize $8,300
Guatemala $8,100
Nicaragua $5,800
Honduras $5,600

source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

Let’s take a look at the correlation:
Panama $25,400 2.47
Costa Rica $16,900 1.76
El Salvador $8,900 2.05
Belize $8,300 2.46
Guatemala $8,100 2.90
Nicaragua $5,800 2.16
Honduras $5,600 2.42

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
February 24, 2019 8:21 am

Rich, I’m not anti-Catholic at all. I’m an old altar boy myself and attended parochial schools all the way through high school.

The birth rate numbers you cite are from 2019, but I was referring to the birth rate in the 1950’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. The church has always taught that children are a blessing, and the more the merrier. Children certainly can be a blessing, provided you don’t have more than you can provide for. But as Paracelsus observed, “Dose makes the poison.” The over population in latin american countries is largely a result of church teaching.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
February 24, 2019 8:33 am

It’s not “over-population”, Louis. It’s mal-administration. Corrupt governments that allow drug cartels free rein.

Another example being Venezuela. Not a victim of over-population, but a victim of socialism. Once the richest country in South America, driven to despair by socialists, not by too many bambinos.

Gums
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
February 24, 2019 9:59 am

Salute Rich!

It was not “socialism”, it was a coupla “warlords” and even the old USSR did not take all the wealth from their resources without allocating at least a subsistence level of food, education, housing, poor health care of sorts, and the state-dictacted job.

This dude gives much meaning to the term “banana republic”, except the place mainly had oil.

Gums sends…

LdB
Reply to  Chaamjamal
February 22, 2019 10:38 pm

You left out and Climate activist are delusional fraudsters

Reply to  Chaamjamal
February 23, 2019 11:59 am

Article quote:

“They usually don’t go after the first drought,” says Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at the University of Texas at Austin. “But when the drought comes back and they don’t have many any more savings, they have do something.”

“YUP”, …… ”RIGHT”, …… and each one of those “climate refugees” take the last $10,000 of their saving to pay someone to “smuggle” them across the border into the US.

Take a close look at the pictures and videos of those “marching” climate refugees and then ask yourself how many of them “look” ….. poor, badly clothed, barefoot, mistreated, malnourished, hungry and or destitute.

And don’t pay any attention to those “new” $20 backpacks most are carrying and which are chock-full of “goodies” that the street-people in LA and San Fran would kill for.

Gary Pearse
February 22, 2019 6:19 pm

The rhetoric is getting more and more idiotic. Does this mean there is a tipping point where they all suddenly burst out laughing?

SMC
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 22, 2019 6:26 pm

If it wasn’t so serious, it would be funny already. The whole climate change schtick is a theater of the absurd.

Mike
February 22, 2019 6:22 pm

” President Trump’s Climate Change Policies are helping to create the border crisis.”

Witness the longest bow ever to be drawn.

Who even reads this crap.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Mike
February 22, 2019 6:41 pm

At least ‘The Onion’ is fun to read.
Time Magazine has become so stupid it’s painful to read.

Dave O.
February 22, 2019 6:29 pm

I hope the climate refugee highway is two lane. If it gets any colder and snowier around here, I’m going to be heading in the direction the refugees came from.

Steve
Reply to  Dave O.
February 22, 2019 7:44 pm

So we will all become climate transients…the horror of summers in the Rocky Mountains and winters on the beaches of Mexico…

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Steve
February 23, 2019 6:31 pm

When ones work involves a lot of travel, one often finds oneself in Lowell, MA in February and Djibouti in August. So being a “climate refugee” would be an improvement!!!

Phil R
February 22, 2019 6:29 pm

Oh, FFS!

February 22, 2019 6:35 pm

With a complete World-wide absence of any Climate Refugees, the alarmist ave to find what they can to fill their quota of ‘Climate Refugees’ by labeling Economic Refugees as ‘Climate Refugees’. The Alarmists are seeking problems as weapons that they can use instead of solving or preventing problems. Improving border security is a proven solution to restoring order in migration. It stops dangerous criminals from coming into the country disguised as refugees, and stops criminals exploiting people wanting to come in illegally for criminal profit. Politics and religion can produce refugees faster than any Climate change.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Nicholas William Tesdorf
February 23, 2019 12:03 am

!!!

John F. Hultquist
February 22, 2019 6:40 pm

President Donald Trump is expected to convene a new panel that will likely undermine the expert consensus that climate change threatens national security.

That will take about 15 minutes.
Have they scheduled a really short meeting?

It might take me 30 minutes, but this panel has some smart folks.
Apparently Time Magazine no longer has editors and proof readers.

LdB
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
February 22, 2019 10:43 pm

“expert consensus that climate change threatens national security” reminds me of a goodies episode where 9 out of 10 Doctors Agree if you don’t eat sunbeam sliced bread will get squashed by elephants

Duke Henry
February 22, 2019 6:43 pm

I am old enough to remember Time Magazine being relevant 20 years ago. My, times are a changing…

meiggs
Reply to  Duke Henry
February 23, 2019 5:40 pm

Not read Time since the 80’s …it was a rag then and remains very consistently so…

Reply to  meiggs
February 23, 2019 5:54 pm

You missed out, especially the “fake” issues of Time: http://time.com/4836933/donald-trump-fake-time-cover/

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  David Dirkse
February 23, 2019 9:46 pm

Amazing…
An article on fake magazine covers for a magazine that prints fake news.
What delicious irony!

Duke Henry
February 22, 2019 6:44 pm

I am old enough to remember Time Magazine being relevant 20 years ago. My, times are a changing…enough of this bs already!

Ed Reid
Reply to  Duke Henry
February 23, 2019 5:21 am

I’m old enough to remember Time Magazine being irrelevant 60 years ago.

US News and World Report was relevant 60 years ago.

Jerry
Reply to  Ed Reid
February 23, 2019 9:57 am

Ed,
I concur! I was 14 years old 60 years ago. I read all the periodicals at the local library. US News and World report was the best. Newsweek was better than Time but both became a no-read within ten years. Scientific American and National Geographic were a very good read then but are trash now.

For non-news, American Heritage was my favorite read for decades with Smithsonian coming in second. Current news magazines and newspapers are not worth even a glance at the headlines.

Barbara
February 22, 2019 6:45 pm

“Illegal immigrants

You misspelled “aliens.”

Phil R
Reply to  Barbara
February 22, 2019 7:26 pm

+42 🙂

February 22, 2019 6:54 pm

Exhibit A:
“D6.1. Social justice and equity are core aspects of climate-resilient development pathways that aim to limit global warming to 1.5°C as they address challenges and inevitable trade-offs, widen opportunities, and ensure that options, visions, and values are deliberated, between and within countries and communities, without making the poor and disadvantaged worse off (high confidence). {5.5.2, 5.5.3, Box 5.3, Figure 5.1, Figure 5.6, Cross-Chapter Boxes 12 and 13 in Chapter 5}”
From: Key messages of the IPCC‘s SR1.5 Report
https://report.ipcc.ch/sr15/pdf/sr15_spm_final.pdf

Victimhood, masquerading as “social justice” is part of the Democrat’s (and internatiolly the Solicalist-Progressives of the West) identity politics. Victimhood shifts blame both for the immigrants who are universally fleeing the economic mess of their native country’s bad political system, and for the politicians who want their votes and political power in their adopted country that encourage the open border policies.

Those Liberal politicians act like it’s a moral imperative that Western countries take in these refugees which just encourages more refugees, while they can’t even adequately take care of their own lower-economic status citizens.

And now climate change is the ultimate dog-ate-homework excuse for those Liberal politicians. The answer to their prayers to destroy the West and capitalism. It transfers accountability from their necessary political malpractice and incompetence in pursuit of political power. (Latest exhibit: AO-C)

These are a coming together of ideas, a mash-up if you will, that the Liberals use to try and gain more political power. We see that mash-up now in how social justice issues, feminist issues, and climate change are now all woven together into one package. Now include immigration into that mash-up.

The latest IPCC themes, the Green New Deal, and Open Border Advocacy as climate issue are all forms of this mash-up that is really at the heart of way Climate Change is now just a junk mash-up of political science.

And these SJW/Climate Warrior/Open Border-types are not just coming for your fossil fuel, your wallet book, or even your 401K. They are coming for your very liberties of free speech, free religion, free thought, and freedom to raise your children with the values you and your family hold dear.

n.n
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 22, 2019 7:07 pm

Social justice anywhere is injustice every… Some of the worst violations of human and civil rights are committed under the euphemisms of SJW. #PrinciplesMatter #HateLovesAbortion

MarkW
Reply to  n.n
February 22, 2019 7:12 pm

Putting “social” in front of any thing is logically the equivalent in front of it.

Social Justice = Not Justice
Social Science = Not Science
Social Warrior = Not Warrior

Reply to  MarkW
February 22, 2019 10:29 pm

Mark W, you missed out “Social Intelligence” as per this WUTW report from 23 Feb 0900:

“High IQs aren’t going to be enough to stop an ecological disaster. It’s going to take social intelligence, too. That’s the conclusion of a new study co-authored by a University of Central Florida researcher and published Wednesday in the journal Nature Communications.”

Your list should read:

Social Justice = Not Justice
Social Science = Not Science
Social Warrior = Not Warrior
Social Intelligence = Not Intelligent

Fixed!

LdB
Reply to  n.n
February 22, 2019 10:44 pm

Problem they now have was Social justice and equity were removed from the rule book at COP24 so there is no roll for them in an IPCC report.

Reply to  LdB
February 22, 2019 11:26 pm

After the SR1.5 fiasco, the more intelligent of the Climate Crusaders realized how toxic the SJW wing was to the climate cause. Like keeping your crazy felon uncle out of the family Christmas photo for the Christmas card, but yet he is still there in your family.

Climate Change activism is in bed with the Left and all its SJW sociopaths.

Garland Lowe
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 22, 2019 7:08 pm

Well said. If we lose this battle, it going to be ugly.

n.n
February 22, 2019 7:02 pm

The natural climate is good. The social climate, not so much. And political climate (PC)… #EmigrationReform

Garland Lowe
February 22, 2019 7:05 pm

“Yeah, they’re economic migrants, but they’re really climate refugees,” says Robert Albro, a researcher American University who has studied the effects of climate change in Latin America.
What are the effects of climate change in Latin America that are creating these refugees?
Inquiring minds want to know.

MarkW
Reply to  Garland Lowe
February 22, 2019 7:14 pm

Why is anyone surprised when someone who spends his life climate change in Latin America has discovered that everything that happens in Latin America can be traced to climate change.
Even things that have been happening for hundreds of years.

Reply to  MarkW
February 22, 2019 7:35 pm

Climate Change is just the academic rent-seekers’ newest gravy train. And they are riding’ that train to their next grant as willing propagandists. Truth be damned, becasue in the Liberal world-view everything is relative including morals and moral belief.

MarkW
February 22, 2019 7:09 pm

Let me see if I have gotten this straight. An increase of 0.3C over the last 50 years has made their homeland uninhabitable?

How the heck has humanity survived the last half million years?

Let’s not forget that the cool down they have experienced by moving north as far as they did, is 10 to 20 times bigger than the alleged increase that forced them to move.

markl
February 22, 2019 7:17 pm

When does the world wake up to this crap and demand a stop?

CD in Wisconsin
February 22, 2019 7:19 pm

Well then Justin Worland, eliminate the demand for fossil fuels in your life. You are making the plight of the refugees worse. And tell Time magazine to do the same. You both need to disconnect from the grid and switch to wind and solar energy. And walk or take your bicycle to work.

You and Time need to set an example for the rest of us. If enough people like you do this, the plight of the refugees would ease now wouldn’t it?

And while you’re at it there Justin, check out what some scientists believe might have contributed to the downfall of the Mayan civilization down in the Yucatan and Central America back in Pre-Columbian times….a series of droughts. Did the Mayans cause them?

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 23, 2019 9:38 pm

The Mayan drought was clearly climate change induced by buffalo farts…

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 23, 2019 2:22 am

Thk’s, CD!

damp
February 22, 2019 7:35 pm

They’re fleeing weather? ’cause we have that here, too.

Reply to  damp
February 22, 2019 11:48 pm

How will they deal with snow at the border?

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  damp
February 23, 2019 1:14 am

“Slywolfe February 22, 2019 at 11:48 pm

How will they deal with snow at the border?”

Snow boarding instead of beach surfing tourism industry. Anyone?

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=GwlxXIGWDe6ArwSRiKu4Bw&q=tourism+and+hospitality+industry&oq=tourism+industry+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.

D. Anderson
February 22, 2019 7:41 pm

I’m so old I remember when Time Magazine was relevant.

John McDougall
Reply to  D. Anderson
February 22, 2019 8:20 pm

Moi aussi! At my advanced age, there was a time when Time added to your week’s data intake.

Tom Abbott
February 22, 2019 7:53 pm

From the article: “Today’s national emergency is border security,” said Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican. “But a future president may use this exact same tactic to impose the Green New Deal.”

That is a ridiculous argument. A future Democrat president can declare a national emergency on any subject whether Trump declares one or not.

Good luck getting a national emergency implemented on the New Green Deal. Explain to me how that would work, Marco.

The president has military construction funds he can use to build barriers and other things at the southern border. That’s really about all the room he has in this national emergency.

He can build walls and add infrastructure to the southern border along with increasing the number of personnel. And that is about the extent of what he can do there without further Congressional approval.

So how would using a portion of the military budget and building walls and installing scanners and hiring border security people, going to be of use in implementing the New Green Deal?

I suppose the funds could be redirected to building windmills but how many windmills can you build for a few billion dollars? Then what are you going to do when the president runs out of money he can move around and you still need an additional $3 TRILLION !!! per year to implement the New Green Deal.

Your future Democrat president is going to be woefully short of cash to do his NGD national emergency all by himself. Do you see how ridiculous your claim is, Marco? I hope you do because it is.

Well, one thing about it, the Democrats are circulating a bill of disapproval to stop Trump’s national emergency declaration at the southern border.

All Trump supporters should take note of this vote, and should make a supreme effort to oust any Republicans that vote with the Democrats on this issue.

This vote will smoke out the weak sisters in the Republican Party, and then it will be up to us to get rid of them and replace them with people more in line with Trump supporters, i.e., conservatives, who see siding with the Democrats and their socialism as much more dangerous than a Republican president declaring a valid, constitutional national emergency at the southern border.

We will be watching, Republicans. If you don’t back Trump, we are not going to back you come the next election.

And then Trump will veto the bill if it actually passes, and there is no chance the Congress will override his veto, so Republicans have no practical reason to vote against Trump.

If you Senators are worried about the separation of powers issue, let the Supreme Court sort it all out. That’s what they are there for. Your vote against Trump won’t help anyone but the socialists and we know what they have in store for the United States, and none of it is good. Don’t help them one little bit.

We’re watching.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 22, 2019 10:42 pm

Yes, we are watching.
The Democrats and the RINOs be warned.

RickWill
February 22, 2019 8:03 pm

Trump has declared US open for business. He does not incentivise economy crippling intermittent power generation to drag the economy down. He has not implemented a nationwide ETS. The number of SNAP recipients has declined 16% on his watch. Unemployment is at a 50 year low on his watch.

These indicators surely makes the US an attractive place to be at this time in history. Much of it a direct result of Trump’s policies. So he has to take a fair share of the blame for making the country the destination of choice for refugees from other countries that have hobbled their economies with intermittent power generation and wealth sapping ETS.

The easy way to reduce illegal immigration is to turn the country into an economic basket case so it is no longer a desirable destination. Obama seemed to be doing a good job on that front.

Reply to  RickWill
February 24, 2019 3:45 am

RickWill – February 22, 2019 at 8:03 pm

So he (Trump) has to take a fair share of the blame for making the country the destination of choice for refugees from other countries

“YEP”, Trump’s fair share of the blame amounts to 5% compared to the Democrat’s fair share of 95%.

70% to 80% of illegal immigrants that have already crossed the border or are in route to illegally cross the border are doing so, have done so, because of all the “FREE” things that the Democrats have made available to them once they get across the border.

Hell, they don’t have to work once they get here, the State and Federal government will provide them EVERYTHING they need or want ……… even a “Get Out of Jail Free Card”.

eck
February 22, 2019 8:06 pm

(T)slime Magazine. A propaganda rag.
There is no un-natural or unusual increase in droughts over the long term in Central America.
Send these people back!!

Bob Vislocky
February 22, 2019 8:46 pm

More fake news.

The Time article sites climate risks in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Funny, but the most recent CPC weekly hazards for Central America doesn’t show any drought for any of those countries:
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/international/camerica/central_america_hazard.pdf

Last Fall when the Guardian came out with a similar article blaming climate change for the first wave of migrants, only about 30% of central America was covered in an area the CPC described as “Abnormal Dryness”, which is D0 on a scale that goes up to D4 (exceptional drought). Abnormal Dryness is very common (21-30% of cases). Furthermore, no area was listed as being under a state of drought by the CPC at that time. If a D0 event (abnormal dryness) in 30% of the area constitutes climate change then that’s really moving the goal posts. What next, an August thunderstorm in New York city is also evidence of climate change?

Furthermore, even if a significant area of central America was under an actual drought right now, that still wouldn’t constitute climate change by itself, since one would have to show that droughts have been getting worse over time. Both Time and the Guardian should retract these articles.

Paul Johnson
February 22, 2019 9:07 pm

The current surge in illegal entry from Central America is not driven by drought or other climate phenomena, but by the widespread knowledge of the “catch and release” policy established by the prior administration. While Mexicans entering illegally can be readily turned back, Central Americans claiming asylum, however fraudulently, get detained briefly then released into the U.S. interior to disappear.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Paul Johnson
February 23, 2019 7:44 am

“Central Americans claiming asylum, however fraudulently, get detained briefly then released into the U.S. interior to disappear.”

Yes, that is the heart of the problem. Those people know all they have to do is step one foot into the United States, then they will be arrested, and detained for a short period of time, and then they will be released into the general population of the United States, where they have welfare payments and free healthcare and free housing made available to them.

If I were a poor person living in Central America, or anywhere else in the world, I would be making my way to the U.S. southern border as fast as I could go. The Land of Milk and Honey is just over the border.

What the Republican Congress should focus on is getting these ridiculous immigration laws changed. They ought to be publicly browbeating the Democrats every day about these issues.

Just putting up a border wall won’t fix these problems. Legislation is required.

Crispin in Waterloo
February 22, 2019 9:11 pm

The occasional drought, occasional flood, a hurricane now and then, sometime a bit too hot, sometimes a bit too cool. Every once in a while, a bug infestation and a tropical disease. Nothing has changed.

These people, if they are fleeing because of “climate” are fleeing because it hasn’t changed. It is the same as it always was. See above.

What we need, I suppose, is some way to start controlling the climate instead of letting it carry on not changing its long term behaviour. We have been far too passive about this. For centuries we stood by while the climate continued being its normal self, running through its bag of tricks with regular monotony. No change. (Sounds like a municipal bus driver.)

Ice from the sky, an early frost, rain in winter, June snow – nothing gets better, it just keeps on not changing.

How do I know? I have been fascinated by the weather since primary school. I used to run home and shoot the sun at noon each day for six months to manually produce a graph of the sun’s elevation above the horizon. I had a kids weather station before high school.

What have I noticed? The climate hasn’t changed in my lifetime, not perceptibly, and not statistically. It carries on not changing year after year. I was prepared to accept that the growing season was getting longer but a short few years ago a late frost wiped out over 70% of the fruit crop in the whole of Ontario in two nights. The following year I put plastic over the fruit trees and saved some of the crop.

The only thing that changed is me.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
February 22, 2019 9:40 pm

Crispin in Waterloo
February 22, 2019 at 9:11 pm

Crispin while you’re stopping the climate from changing could you please deal with those pesky volcanoes and maybe even the larger earthquakes. We’re sick of the quakes here in NZ. They’re all a bit of a pain to be honest. Thanks.

Reply to  Alastair Brickell
February 22, 2019 10:46 pm

Once you cease breathing, then those volcanoes and earthquakes will cease to be a problem.
Until then… deal with it.
Life happens.
Those who want nothing to happen in their life, including changing climate… they’re already dead. They can’t deal with the challenge of actual life.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 23, 2019 1:17 am

Joel O’Bryan
February 22, 2019 at 10:46 pm

Thanks Joel…that’s a big help. I feel better already!

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
February 23, 2019 12:38 am

” It is the same as it always was. See above.”

https://youtu.be/5IsSpAOD6K8

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
February 23, 2019 1:27 am

Alastair Brickell February 22, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Crispin in Waterloo

February 22, 2019 at 9:11 pm

Crispin while you’re stopping the climate from changing could you please deal with those pesky volcanoes and maybe even the larger earthquakes. We’re sick of the quakes here in NZ. They’re all a bit of a pain to be honest. Thanks.
_____________________________________________________

NZ Christchurch earthquakes slightly impacts on “tourism industry:

NZ Christchurch earthquakes slightly “reduces” “tourism industry”:

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=2A9xXKPJMZKGwPAPveaxkAo&q=nz+christchurch+earthquake+tourism+industry&oq=nz+Christchurch++earthquake+tourism+industry&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.

OTOH : https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=EhBxXPnUBdGGwPAP79-kuAE&q=nz+Christchurch+dancing+remember+earthquake+tourism+&oq=nz+Christchurch+dancing+remember+earthquake+tourism+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.

Hugs
February 22, 2019 10:15 pm

‘The Real Culprit Behind Trump’s Border Emergency? Climate Change’

Rofl. For good. Doesn’t pass the smell test. Here’s a spoon for you, it’s yours.

February 22, 2019 10:23 pm

The best weapon against all of these “Climate Refugees” from both Africa and South America is called a Condom.

Then and only then should we use the World Bank to start digging for coal and then build the power stations.

MJE

Hugs
Reply to  Michael
February 23, 2019 3:32 am

Sorry buddy, but that’s both mean and imprecise. Most South America has already a fertility rate near two, and many refugees/aliens/immigrants from Africa that end up in Europe or the USA are from countries which have a decent fertility rate.

The places which suffer from mass emigration are more likely suffering from war, lack of hope for better future, nepotism, organized crime, and paternal family control. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria as good examples. Many of these people don’t have any idea what they are doing when they pay €2,000 for a human trafficker who then leaves them to die in a sinking boat or similar.

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February 22, 2019 11:12 pm

They are refugees from socialism.

The Romans tried what we would call socialism in their collapse phase. It didn’t work. In fact it made things worse. Well, worse for the people. Better for the government.

The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter – pdf. The good stuff starts in Chapter 4.
https://wtf.tw/ref/tainter.pdf

https://youtu.be/GzuviYRse3E – about 3 minutes

The Collapse of Complex Societies – a Review
http://classicalvalues.com/2019/02/the-collapse-of-complex-societies/

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  MSimon
February 23, 2019 12:55 am

Sorry, the Roman Empire didn’t collapse cause of “socialist reforms”.

But sure in the wake of murdering the “socialist reformer Gracchi Brothers”.

https://www.google.com/search?q=socialist+reformer+brothers+roman+empire&oq=socialist+reformer+brothers+roman+empire&aqs=chrome.

Rhys
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 23, 2019 5:46 am

Your time frame is way off. The emporers Diocletian and Constantine in the 4th century A.D. instituted a government takeover of businesses, essentially socialism, which led to the decline of the Empire. The Roman Empire reached its height in the 2nd century during a period of free trade and low taxes. The brothers Gracchi lived 3 centuries earlier and a lot of their reforms were instituted by Julius Caesar

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  MSimon
February 23, 2019 2:16 am

Not to mention – doing away with the “socialist reformer Gracchi Brothers” was the entrance for Christianity “love thy brother like thyself”

overwhelming “public success story”
conquering the whole of nowadays “Europe”.

February 22, 2019 11:49 pm

Despite the fact that many immigrants have a larger “carbon” footprint here than where they come from, the Sierra Club is OK with large scale immigration.

https://www.colorlines.com/articles/how-sierra-club-learned-love-immigration

Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2019 11:49 pm

stop dangerous criminals from sneaking into the country disguised as refugees, then help any countries afflicted by worsening droughts by providing food relief and improved water infrastructure. –>

stop dangerous criminals from sneaking into the country disguised as refugees, -than- help any countries afflicted by worsening droughts by providing food relief and improved water infrastructure.

Regards –

Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2019 11:54 pm

“Illegal immigration is a significant issue for US citizens and for the immigrants themselves. Seeing their plight as an opportunity to push the green agenda, while ignoring policy options which would provide immediate benefits, seems a little heartless.”

And absolutely counterproductive.

Bruce Cobb
February 23, 2019 4:28 am

Illegal immigrants are climate refugees space aliens. There, fixed.

BuckWheaton
February 23, 2019 4:51 am

The climate that creates so many refugees is far more from Islam than fromCO2.

Flight Level
February 23, 2019 5:15 am

Climate refugees exist. A crescent number of retired families escape brutal cold winters by relocating further south where Mediterranean climate is more clement and comes with less heating bills.

Rumors are that the increasing number of HR cargo are mostly those who elect to remain there until their final journey home.

William Astley
February 23, 2019 9:56 am

Time magazine has removed logic and reason from their articles and are hence on the side of idiot chaos. Money that is wasted is a tragedy.

What is the return on investment $ spent on green scams vs climate change stopped?

Worst how much poverty in the world has there been reduced by spending on green scams.

Illegal immigration is a very expensive and ineffective means to help the 62 million people in South America that live in extreme poverty.

https://www.cepal.org/en/pressreleases/poverty-latin-america-remained-steady-2017-extreme-poverty-increased-highest-level

In 2017, the number of people living in poverty reached 184 million (30.2% of the population), of whom 62 million live in extreme poverty (10.2% of the population, the highest percentage since 2008), according to the report, Social Panorama of Latin America 2018, presented this Tuesday by Alicia Bárcena, Executive Secretary of the United Nations regional organization, at a press conference held in Santiago, Chile.

Davis
February 23, 2019 10:19 am

Refugee or immigrant.

Neither gives you the right to just go by the thousands into someone else’s country.

rah
February 23, 2019 10:25 am

But but the IPCC in AR5 that Warm air can contain more water. This means that we can expect heavier rain in a warmer climate.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  rah
February 24, 2019 4:55 am

In Canada we don’t expect warmer weather because our Prime Minister, bless his cotton socks, BHCS, wants to introduce a carbon tax to stop it. Why he wants to keep Canada cold is beyond me.

MAKE CANADA WARM AGAIN!

Steve O
February 23, 2019 11:54 am

They’re refugees from the symptoms of the system that Time espouses — Socialism.

James R Clarke
February 23, 2019 4:40 pm

Why do articles that blame climate change never spell out how the climate has changed? It appears that ‘climate change’ is the only kind of ‘change’ that does not require anything too be different.

February 23, 2019 5:18 pm

While the use of some form of birth control may upset those who still believe in the Bibles, both of them. The simple facts are that the Rev. Maths was right. “When a species exceeds its food supply it dies”.

Today of course with the TV shots of a little girl with a swollen belly, we the once rich “West” are expected to provide aid. But the more aid we provide the more people will breed.

And the more will try for a home in the rich Western countries where by being on welfare they are far better off than back where they came from.

MJE

Robert of Ottawa
February 24, 2019 4:51 am

And global warming is all about the science, not the politics?

The Warmistas are evil followers of the evil Canadian Maurice Strong. They are evil money grubbing crony capitalists or evil power hungry ideologues. Criminally dishonest all.

[Irate mode off]

February 24, 2019 1:55 pm

Yes its ironical that the whole of the Green issue is a mix of greedy Capitalists and the top people who dream of a Communist world, Mark two.

The Politicians in their drive for a vote anywhere are of course the major problem,. Here in Australia we have the State of Victoria who despite the brown out in the electrical power a fee w weeks ago, are a green state.

So both the Liberal (Conservative) party, and the Labour have to say nice things to the Victorians, but then they go North to Queensland and have to say nice things to the people who want coal mining.

Its complicated even further in that Queensland who has a Labour Government, with the Premier saying nice things about a proposed coal mini, Adani, but the vice Premier being violently against that development.

Such is life in energy rich Australia, but as we have to show a good example to the rest of the world, despite our 1 % emissions, we have the dearest electricity.

MJE

WR2
February 24, 2019 7:36 pm

There is no longer any world problem that hasn’t been blamed on climate change. The answer to any problem is climate change, and the solution is always socialism. Of course the media don’t require any data or any correlation whatsoever, just an “expert” saying that “more of X is consistent with what is predicted due to climate change”. Critical reasoning skills are dead.

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