Laughable idea: Duluth, MN as a ‘climate refugee city’

Is Duluth, Minn., to become a climate refuge city?

Our climate futures: Meeting the challenges in Duluth


Duluth, Minn.- The University of Minnesota Duluth is hosting a conference aimed at directing Minnesota’s next steps for dealing with climate change. “Our Climate Futures: Meeting the Challenge in Duluth” will be Tuesday, March 19 and Wednesday, March 20, 2019.

The conference is free and open to the public. Central to the conference are conversations about future planning and how Minnesota communities can adapt to climate change.

“Minnesota has already begun climate mitigation techniques such as using alternative energy and reducing its carbon footprint,” says Patrick Schoff, a research associate at the UMD Natural Resources Research Institute and conference organizer. “This conference will be invaluable as the consequences of climate change become increasingly apparent.”

The conference will include 16 sessions and a keynote address. Panelists include representatives from academia, government and business. Environmental scientists, community agency personnel and the public will convene for discussions about developing an economy that minimizes waste and resources, energy mitigation efforts, alternative energy sources, adaptive infrastructure and climate refuge areas.

The media is invited to cover any of the program sessions.

“Native Minnesotans, like myself, realize that climate change is already upon us. We know that lake ice is forming later and going out earlier,” said Julie Etterson, professor of biology in UMD’s Swenson College of Science and Engineering. “We know that spring comes earlier and that we can grow tomatoes and actually hope to get some ripe ones by the end of summer. In contrast, in other regions in the U.S., it is possible that unbearable weather and coastal flooding will set off a wave of human migration seeking more tolerable conditions.”

The conference keynote speaker will be Jesse Keenan, a member of the faculty of the Graduate School of Design at Harvard. His work is focused on climate change adaptation and the built environment, including aspects of design, engineering, financing and planning.

“In an age of climate migration, we tend to focus on displacement and not necessarily the economic mobility associated with changing consumer preferences,” said Keenan. “In one iteration of a climate future, Duluth may be well positioned to accommodate a diverse influx of people, culture and capital associated with a national redistribution of people and places.”

Keenan’s presentation, “Our Climate Futures: Meeting the Challenge in Duluth,” will be at 7 p.m. on Wednesday, March 20 in the Marshall Performing Arts Center, 1215 Ordean Court, Duluth, Minnesota.

“The question for Duluth moving forward is whether strategic economic development and marketing can be mobilized under a set of community-drive values that together paint a vision of a shared climate future,” said Keenan.

Keenan is a member of the United States delegation to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. He has advised on matters concerning the built environment for agencies of the U.S. government, governors, mayors, Fortune 500 companies, technology ventures, community enterprises and international nongovernmental organizations.

The keynote presentation will be followed by a panel discussion featuring Emily Larson (City of Duluth Mayor), Karen Diver (College of St. Scholastica and member of the Fond du Lac Band of Lake Superior Chippewa), Al Rudeck (Allete Clean Energy), with Andrea Schokker (UMD) as moderator.


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Paul S
February 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Gag me with a spoon

old white guy
Reply to  Paul S
February 20, 2019 4:02 am

Without fossil fuels everyone in Duluth will freeze to death.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  old white guy
February 20, 2019 5:13 am

Yeah, they ought to bring that up at the conference.

How will you keep people from freezing to death if all you have are windmills and solar?

That ought to be the first question they ask at the conference.

The next question to ask is what makes you think Minnesota is not going to be a winter wonderland for the foreseeable future?

Bill Capron
Reply to  Paul S
February 20, 2019 7:19 am

The Stupid is strong in Minnesota.

Reply to  Bill Capron
February 20, 2019 9:27 am

Not around Duluth. That area is actually trending Republican. There are some real morons around the cities these days, and for Minnesota that’s really saying something. You’d be shocked where there are extremely virulent liberals now. Cake-eater is a liberal descriptive term these days.

How come real estate prices NEVER reflect this “climate change” global warming greenhouse effect? I’m not aware of a single place in the United States where real estate prices actually reflect the predicted outcomes of this theory. Weird, huh?

Reply to  Paul S
February 20, 2019 7:30 am

The good news is that Minnesota’s new Rep. Ilhan Omar wants to abolish ICE … and functionally do away with our Immigration system … do away with our borders … making “migration” to godforsaken Duluth a LOT easier!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kenji
February 20, 2019 7:59 am

Race-baiter and hater, and divider, Louis Farakan, was singing Rep. Ilhan Omar’s praises a couple of days ago.

Birds of a feather, flock together.

R Shearer
February 19, 2019 9:08 pm

Right now Orlando is 71F and Duluth is 14F. Orlando is a city of almost 300,000 and Duluth is almost 90,000. By popular vote, Orlando is the refugee city of choice.

Reply to  R Shearer
February 20, 2019 12:03 am

I would have thought that Duluth would discourage refugees of climate.
Makes sense to me. 🙂



Rich Davis
Reply to  R Shearer
February 20, 2019 2:30 am

It seems to me that the Inuits have survived for millennia in the Arctic and are not going to need to migrate south to Duluth just because it gets a little colder there, and Duluth becomes even more Arctic-like. But after the Green Leap Forward, certainly all the Anglos in Minnesota will have to migrate south or adopt a lifestyle more like the Inuit.

Reply to  Rich Davis
February 20, 2019 3:49 am

Just wait till the vegans get at the Inuit.

Reply to  StephenP
February 20, 2019 8:03 am

What exactly would a vegan Inuit eat? Inuit aren’t known for their gardening expertise.
I think the only vegans in that part of the world are caribou or reindeer.

BTW if it weren’t for synthetic fibers (made from coal or petroleum) what would a vegan wear in the winter? Surely not cotton or linen.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  StephenP
February 20, 2019 9:13 pm

The vegans will be the ones on the menu 🙂

Reply to  R Shearer
February 20, 2019 6:56 am

Actually, the difference in population is far larger. The Orlando metropolitan statistical area population is about 2.4 million, while the same for Deluth is only about 280,000 .. a nearly 10:1 ratio.

Now ask how many Deluthans wished they lived in Orlando, compared to how many Orlandans wished they lived in Deluth. The ratio would be approximately 100:1, or maybe 1,000: 1.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Duane
February 20, 2019 6:08 pm

You’ve got to admit, these folks are creative using climate change scare to coax like-minded folks to move to Duluth as part of their city’s development strategy. After all, they don’t have Disney World, Universal Studios, or a warm climate as a draw.

February 19, 2019 9:14 pm

These people are certifiably nuts.

Matthew Drobnick
Reply to  Joey
February 20, 2019 6:36 am

Yep. Meanwhile, this is the coldest winter I’ve experienced in a decade in Colorado. And that’s with me living for a winter up in Empire, at 8600 ft.
3000 feet lower elevation… It’s noticeably colder this year. Even colder than two Winters ago when I was on site downtown, every morning, hanging glass on a new high rise building.

We’re headed for another cool cycle and at this point, I’m excited to see the gene pool cleansing itself. Maybe this is God’s way of cleaning up generations of spotty genetics? Shame that whites are self destructing but oh well… Less competition for my son

February 19, 2019 9:32 pm

Other than cold weather…what climate change are they worried about in Duluth, MN…???

Flood control engineer (retired)
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
February 20, 2019 7:57 am

The common fear is the rainfall pattern is changing to more thunderstorms and fewer long duration light rains. The result being more floods and less infiltration.

In the 1960’s there was a technical paper prepared TP40 that estimated rainfall events for use in flood control design. A similar paper was prepared in about 2010 with 10 times the rainfall data. Some areas of the state had larger floods and some areas had smaller

A colleague did a statistical analysis and found no climate change finger print.

Reply to  Flood control engineer (retired)
February 20, 2019 9:53 am

What’s weird is that average precipitation during the winter months has not increased, but average precipitation during the summer months has slightly increased. Why wouldn’t average precipitation during the winter months increase? And are there factors during the summer months that do not exist during the winter months that would explain the slight increase? What about evapotranspiration? Is the ground cover different now than it was many years ago? How about the urban heat island? Is there more buildup upwind than there was many years ago? There’s a lot more field tile now than there was many years ago and a lot of places upland that used to flood don’t anymore. Does better stormwater removal result in seemingly more stream flooding? None of these marginal increases ought to change anything that we do. If there’s marginally more flooding in some areas, but marginally less flooding in others areas, then we adapt to it. As for streams, useful places ought to have levees and floodplains ought to be treated as such.

Steve Reddish
February 19, 2019 9:34 pm

The first question that popped into my head was: When do they imagine “unbearable weather” will arrive in the southerly parts of the US that would drive people north to Minnesota?

The first answer that popped into my head was: The first summer the GND manages to switch the US to 100% renewable power and people living on the Gulf Coast no longer have air conditioning!


Reply to  Steve Reddish
February 19, 2019 10:13 pm

Naw. I grew up in the deep South without air conditioning. Even then we were laughing at people who lived in places with frigid climates.

You can get acclimated to heat, take simple measures to avoid heat-related problems, and stay outside all day long. A little shade, a beverage, and avoid over-exertion and you were fine. We enjoyed being outside in shorts, T-shirt, and barefoot. Kids were out all day. You could relax outside – sleep, swim, fish. Try relaxing outside when the temps are -2 degrees F.

If power becomes iffy, it will be those in the northern climes who will suffer the most – even if temps go up ten degrees.

Reply to  jtom
February 20, 2019 12:41 am

And that would be a “mean” or “average”. Not really an increase in temp. Any warming could be simply because it didn’t get quite as cold – and that would be welcome.

James in WNC
February 19, 2019 9:36 pm

I just reviewed our list of places that we’re considering relocating to during the coming climate apocalypse. Duluth GA maybe. Duluth MN, I don’t think so.

February 19, 2019 9:42 pm

I’ve stayed overnight at Duluth after visiting the University of Minnesota. That was mid-summer but still rather cool for my tastes. The impression Duluth leaves is that of a real dump that is probably a sort of hell-hole of ice and snow in winter Temperature today -5 to -11 C. You would have to be really desperate to want to live in the place. Possibly escaping from ISIS might just do it, but ‘Climate Change”… must be kidding.

John M. Ware
Reply to  Nicholas William Tesdorf
February 20, 2019 2:30 am

My wife and I lived in Superior, WI, from 1972 to 1975. Our son was born there in 1973. Right across the river was Duluth, which bordered Lake Superior on its east side and rose 900 or 1000 feet quite steeply to the west. The Duluth airport, on the hilltop, was used as a training location for landing and taking off in strong and tricky winds. We loved Duluth (and Superior, too); we would gladly have stayed there, but I didn’t get tenure and had to leave. Duluth is an old port city, with what that implies; but it was also a beautiful and colorful place, with terrific parks (especially Enger Park, where people came from several states away to attend the HawkWatch, the migration of hundreds of thousands of hawks, kites, eagles, owls, and other big birds). I taught music at UW-Superior, and we attended music events there and at UM-D and at CSS (College of St. Scholastica). Winters there were harsh; one January it stayed below zero F for the entire month. The year we arrived there, the ice in Lake Superior did not “go out” until June 10, and if a west wind (off the land) changed to an east wind (off the lake), temps could drop by 40 degrees or more in a few minutes. Duluth-Superior was an exhilarating place to live, and we were very sorry to leave.

That, however, was well over forty years ago, and I am now on Coumadin (Warfarin) and have had two invasive heart procedures. I could not live in Duluth now. Much as I dread the Virginia summers (at the same time as I look forward to them, as a daylily grower with 15,000 plants), even winter here–gentle as it usually is–is sometimes uncomfortably cold for me, with thinner blood and greater sensitivity to cold. As for Duluth becoming a Mecca for seniors and a refuge from southern heat–I doubt it. Great as the place is, and full of state parks, national forests, and unlimited opportunities to see bears, moose, deer, and the occasional wolf or mountain lion (to say nothing of the hawks, etc.), most people who come to Duluth from outside do it in the summer, and rightly so.

Reply to  John M. Ware
February 20, 2019 8:17 am

I grew up outside of Chicago, and visited Duluth many times … in the summer. I can attest that it seems to be a nice city with lovely parks. However, what I do remember quite vividly was wading into Lake Superior during July or August. I never remember any swimmers. Probably that was due to your feet going numb before you could get to knee depth.

Patrick healy
Reply to  John M. Ware
February 20, 2019 8:20 am

Lovely nostalgic account John M.
Hawk watch sounds interesting. What a pity so many of those beauties are being sacrificed on the altar of global warming, and are being killed by the useless windmills.
My lovely ex fiance and I are on an extended holiday in sunny Cyprus from ice age socialist Scotland. We could be termed cc refugees.
That pristine country is also being covered in useless windmills to fight global warming. It is a mystery to me for if any place could do with a bit of warming, it is Scotland.
Btw this lovely place – Cyprus – must be a carbon dioxide hot spot. How else to explain the glorious heat. After all we are told that scorching red orb in the sky has nothing to do with this warming. Right?

Killer Marmot
February 19, 2019 9:43 pm

When it hit -17 F a week ago, Duluthians might well have been taken refuge.

Curious George
Reply to  Killer Marmot
February 20, 2019 12:11 pm

Maybe an Amy Klobuchar effect? Al Gore is not alone.

February 19, 2019 9:54 pm

You have to give it to them, they really do have active imaginations.

Dave Fair
Reply to  WR2
February 19, 2019 11:43 pm

That line their pockets.

Reply to  WR2
February 20, 2019 5:40 pm

Just a lame attempt to set the stage;

show that when the inevitable & prohibitive cost of green crap becomes understood by more and more, there is the change the subject to talk about the economic boost from the refugees

February 19, 2019 9:58 pm

I fully agree that a refuge from intolerable climate change is a necessity.
Here in New England, our annual climate change encourages me to take refuge in a small parish known to the locals as Christ Church, on the island of Barbados.
In the course of a day, I can trade in the cold and snow for palm trees and coral sand beaches.
At the swim-up bar, I told the bar maid that I could bring snow with me and start up a snowball fight at pool-side. I explained that the hotel staff would be helpless because they would not have the experience or even the vocabulary to explain what was going on.
The bar maid explained that one year, she had spent an entire winter in Boston and knew all about snowball fights. And I better behave myself if I ever want to get served again.

Commercial aviation is a truly remarkable technology and industry.

February 19, 2019 10:06 pm

We know that spring comes earlier and that we can grow tomatoes and actually hope to get some ripe ones by the end of summer.

OMG! Ripe tomatoes! The horror!

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 19, 2019 10:12 pm

Not at all. They do not actually need to get ripe tomatoes.
They only actually hope to get some.
And as we know, hope is not a plan.

Reply to  TonyL
February 19, 2019 10:29 pm

That’s terrible!

The only way they can get the tomatoes they hope for is to get the global warming they hope not to get.

Rich Davis
Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 20, 2019 2:35 am

We are the hopers we have been hoping for. I think that’s what 0bama told us?

Reply to  Rich Davis
February 20, 2019 3:45 am

I hope not.

Tom Johnson
Reply to  TonyL
February 20, 2019 5:50 am

I grew up a bit north of Duluth and more inland, so we didn’t get the moderating temperatures of Lake Superior. That is, it was much colder than Duluth. Every January my dad would pore through the seed catalogs, ordering the best new tomato seeds to plant. Every two weeks from March to June he would plant the seeds,, to flourish in the basement under fluorescent grow lights. In mid June, he would plant the best of the seedlings in the garden, and along the south wall of the garage where the warming sun would speed them along. He would protect them from frost with an ample supply of blankets, when necessary.

This, of course would guarantee that every tomato on every plant would turn ripe only on August 15. Actually, though, we would have tomatoes from July through October. The July ones were the small “cherry” tomatoes along the garage wall. The October ones were from garden plants pulled up by the roots just before the first frost in early September, and hung over the rafters in the garage to prevent them from freezing.

I’ve adapted well to Catastrophic Global Warming. I had to create my own, though, and am now watching a warm sun rise in southern Texas.

william Johnston
Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 20, 2019 7:46 am

Ripe tomatoes. As opposed to store-bought.

D. Anderson
Reply to  william Johnston
February 20, 2019 9:06 am

store-bought tomatoes – Stripped mined in Florida as Keillor used to say.

February 19, 2019 10:26 pm

I live north of Atlanta. As I type this, it is 38 degrees F there. I am currently on the east coast of Florida in Indiatlantic. It is 71 degrees F.

Duluth, MN is 12 degrees F.

If you raised everyone’s temps by twenty degrees, I would still prefer to be here, and I suspect most others would, too. They’re nucking futs.

February 19, 2019 10:38 pm

“I’m moving to Duluth for the weather.”
Said no one, ever.

Chris Hanley
February 19, 2019 10:44 pm

Coming from the other end of the world my impression of that part of the US comes from the movie Fargo — brrr!

Len Jay
February 19, 2019 10:49 pm

“The question for Duluth moving forward is whether strategic economic development and marketing can be mobilized under a set of community-drive values that together paint a vision of a shared climate future,” said Keenan.

Please help me! Can anybody translate this into something comprehensible for me?
For example: what is a “shared climate future”?

Dave Fair
Reply to  Len Jay
February 19, 2019 11:47 pm

The “shared climate future” will be the snow falling on each and every Duluth resident.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Len Jay
February 20, 2019 12:58 am

“The question for Duluth moving forward is whether big money and the suckers who can provide it can be found using confidence schemes playing to climate virtue signaling ideas.”

– Lessons from PT Barnum in the 21st Century.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Len Jay
February 20, 2019 3:20 am

In simpler terms, can AOC get a mob behind her propaganda to create global socialism? Our shared climate future is socialism premised on a phony climate crisis.

Well, that’s the best I can do as a trained linguist experienced in gibberish.

Doug S
February 19, 2019 10:55 pm

The city is also in dire threat of flood from the world wide rising water levels. Duluth experienced almost 2 feet water level rise in 100 years. This is about twice the average global sea level rise.
Lake level Jan 1919: 601.01 ft
Lake level Dec 2019: 602.83 ft
(pay no attention to all the intermediate points)

February 19, 2019 11:03 pm

The conference represents an Iron Triangle. Government employees, academics, and “green” companies, all working on a justification for a new taxpayer funded project.
1) Government bureaucrats looking to justify their salaries and expand their little bureaucratic empires, and in doing so, expand their pensions.
2) Academics looking for grants and the career opportunities that brings.
3) The private sector angling for subsidies and tax breaks, and hopefully, mandates that their products or services must be obtained.

All of this to be funded at the expense of the taxpayers.
The term “a self-licking ice cream cone” comes to mind.

These people are parasites.
Perhaps that is why the government banned DDT.

Dennis Sandberg
Reply to  TonyL
February 20, 2019 10:08 am

TonyL thanks best ever summary of the three main alarmist categories. All made possible by willfully uninformed voters.

February 19, 2019 11:48 pm

Will the snow melt until March 20? Temperature in degrees C.
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Joel O'Bryan
February 19, 2019 11:59 pm

So Julie Etterson “listed Lake Superior ice cover changes;
Except there hasn’t been any:
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And Ms. Etterson lists being able to possibly grow tomatoes before the first fall frost as a good thing. But then says, “it is possible” that other areas will become unbearable and Duluth will get climate refugees. Actually it’s the other way around. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. As in there are lots of Minnesota plates running around Tucson right now.

What dishonesty.

Her “it is possible” is simply dishonest posturing.

February 20, 2019 12:38 am

The idea is to make Diluth a safe haven for low IQ, unemployable illegal aliens.
The city of Diluth will no doubt hire them to shovel snow and their bullsh-t.

Study: Illegal Aliens Up to 5X More Likely To Be in Prison Than Americans

February 20, 2019 1:08 am

They are stupid enough to make this conference a public event?

Just sometimes I wish I live other than where I live now. This is one occasion I wish I lived in Duluth because I’m damn sure I would have my voice heard at that conference.

E J Zuiderwijk
February 20, 2019 1:58 am

Duluthed. Sorry, deluded.

February 20, 2019 2:09 am

Well, look on the bright side. They won’t have to deal with piles of poop, mountains of used needles, and ponds of urine.

Rich Davis
Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 2:43 am

Are you saying that San Francisco isn’t likely to migrate to Duluth?

Reply to  Rich Davis
February 20, 2019 3:30 am

I’m saying that in the highly unlikely event there were climate refugees in Duluth they won’t be living on the streets.

william Johnston
Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 7:53 am

Relieving ones self outside when the temp is -14F and the wind chill is -36F can be a very enlightening experience. Not to mention very educating.

Reply to  william Johnston
February 20, 2019 8:24 am

You know it’s really cold when you feel the need to preplan the details of relieving yourself.

Flight Level
February 20, 2019 2:14 am

Climate refugees exist.
An ever increasing number of northern EU retired families move south on the Mediterranean for a more clement climate year long.

February 20, 2019 2:15 am

Sometimes I sit and wonder why I’m not in an insane asylum. Then I look around and realize that maybe I am!

Patrick Maher
February 20, 2019 3:08 am

Is that where those 50 million climate refugees went in 2010?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Patrick Maher
February 20, 2019 3:26 am

You laugh mister, but in another 11 years and 11 months, we’re gonna see 50 trillion climate refugees. It’s settled science.

Flight Level
Reply to  Rich Davis
February 20, 2019 4:44 am

So we can all stop paying taxes ? It’ll take them more than that to figure out and enforce action on all cases. Deal ?

No Frost For Me
February 20, 2019 3:32 am

I’m a Minnesota climate expatriate. I got the heck outta there and moved to Florida sixteen years ago to escape the miserable, cold and gloomy winters. I’d be curious as to when they expect this great rush of climate refugees to overwhelm the state. My back of the napkin calculations show a pretty steady migration of US and Canadian citizens coming into Florida, and the trend seems unabated even after a few rough hurricane seasons.

greg copeland
February 20, 2019 3:33 am

Merle Haggard.
Rainbow Stew.

February 20, 2019 4:24 am

I just checked the weather for this week for Duluth. It’s mostly 20s to 30s day time, teens at night, snow, then dropping to teens daytime and snow later.

When I see that, and then read that “statement” or “proposal”, or whatever it is, I think it’s valid to wonder if the people who crank out this stuff are living on the same planet as I am. Perhaps they aren’t. Perhaps they’re in another dimension – a dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind…. Welcome to the Twilight Zone….

But please keep posting/publishing this kind of thing. We need to know about it, not only so that we can point and giggle, but also so that we can look back at it when their predictions fail and ask them if they’d like fries with their ice cold drinks.

Good grief!!!!!

February 20, 2019 4:34 am

“We know that spring comes earlier and that we can grow tomatoes and actually hope to get some ripe ones by the end of summer.” ?

I was born in Blind River, Ontario which is exactly West of Duluth..45 years ago nobody there was surprised that we could always get big, ripe tomatoes every year…sheeesh !

(Corrected for you) MOD

February 20, 2019 4:37 am

Here in Nortern Indiana a number of Liberals have taken the Climate predictions to heart, and have planted vineyards for wineries. Needless to say the last few winters habe not been kind.


Reply to  Schitzree
February 20, 2019 4:59 am

Here near Anderson, IN we got freezing rain, then snow, then sleet. Sure could use a break. I would like to be able to use the cruise control and do some regular trucking again! The constant hypervigilant state required when driving in such weather really takes it out of you. Over days the effects are cumulative. I did absolutely nothing on Saturday and Sunday last weekend. Just rested.
And it sure looks like there is no end in sight.

The bottom has dropped out of the Southern Oscillation Index, the Modoki El Nino is here, and that means another month of nasty winter weather for us. Somebody kill that damned groundhog! After the snow below expect colder than average temps to hold on in the east. And I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this coming tornado season is the opposite of last years and very active. The set up sure seems headed towards the direction of making this coming spring a stormy one.

Monday morning I was driving up the drive of a company in SW Michigan where I was to deliver and pickup and a dead Ash tree feel right across the drive in front of my truck! This place was out in the sticks and I drove about 20 miles of snow covered back roads to get there. The drive was snow covered and they had a heck of a time jerking that tree out of the wood line using a 4wd pickup and then putting it on top of the berm of plowed snow with a fork truck so I could get to their docks.

Tom Abbott
February 20, 2019 4:59 am

From the article: “This conference will be invaluable as the consequences of climate change become increasingly apparent.”

He says with utter confidence. The consequences of CO2 are *not* apparent much less “increasingly” apparent. This is ignorance or wishful thinking on the part of Mr. Patrick Schoff.

Here’s a hint Mr. Schoff: One should have evidence of a phenomenon before extrapolating its consequences. You have no evidence. Which makes your extrapolations worthless.

You are not alone. Just about every alarmist makes this mistake. They all assume things not in evidence. They are not dealing with the real world. Yet, they are so sure of themselves. I guess that’s what we could call a True Believer.

Claiming the effects of human-caused CO2 are already visible as changes in Earth’s weather is the next stage of the alarmists assault on the truth.

It is not even consistent with past alarmist claims where they said we would have to warm up significantly before the “excess” warmth added strength to weather systems, and this was supposed to happen in the coming decades as the temperatures climbed (according to their hypothesis). This added heat is supposedly what would drive bigger, badder weather systems.

Now that’s all changed. Now all these effects are supposedly happening today, within every weather system, according to the alarmists, even though the temperatures are not nearly high enough to cause these effects, and in fact the global temperature has cooled by about 0.6C since Feb. 2016 (UAH). Yet the alarmists would have us believe that even with cooler temperatues, CO2 is at work pumping up the strength of storms.

The alarmists are getting desperate. That’s why they have moved up the CAGW schedule. They are trying to scare as many people as possble into falling in line and supporting their anti-CO2 measures, and their past claims of unprecedented storm systems appearing in the coming decades is not scary enough, so they have to move the timetable up to “here and now” and claim all these severe weather systems are already being influenced by CO2. With absolutely no evidence to back up such claims. They are contradicting themselves.

For every severe weather system we see today, we can find one that is as severe or worse in the past when CO2 was not a significant factor. There is no unprecedented weather being observed on the Earth. If you make this claim you are either ignorant, or you are a liar.

Statistics show that all forms of severe weather are less severe today than they were in the recent past. The recent past (the 20th century) was not significantly influenced by CO2, and had more severe weather than today. The only “apparent” effect of CO2 seems to be a kinder, gentler, milder world.

CO2 causing Superstorms today!? Give me a break!!!

February 20, 2019 5:00 am

Temperature anomalies in North America on 20/02/2019.
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February 20, 2019 5:15 am

Invite Al Gore. If he shows up Duluth gets the
blizzard of the century.

Jim M
February 20, 2019 5:24 am

Too funny.

My wife is from Duluth and I live on the same parallel in NE Wisconsin.

Newsflash, it isn’t getting warmer. Just a few years ago Lake Superior froze completely for one of the few times in history. Duluth, being on the big lake is colder than anywhere inland by 5-10 degrees for spring, summer and fall. The lake, which never warms, is a massive cold sink.

On the other hand Minnesota has become a very blue State in recent years. Wind and solar have been overdone to the point there were curtailments by Excell Energy during the last severe cold blast. But never wanting to pass on some free government cash this is Duluth being opportunistic more than concerned about Climate Change.

When will the children grow up?

Reply to  Jim M
February 20, 2019 6:23 am

Jim M says:
“On the other hand Minnesota has become a very blue State in recent years.”

Recent years? They were the only state that went for Mondale during the presidential election of 1984!

william Johnston
Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 7:58 am

Favorite son and all that. And they were more loyal than Tennessee when algore ran.

Reply to  william Johnston
February 20, 2019 8:32 am

The last time Minnesota voted for a Republican president was 1972 when it went to Nixon.

D. Anderson
Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 9:18 am

Republican Presidential strategy just cedes the state to the democrats. They never campaign or spend a dime here.

Except Trump. And he came within an inch of winning the state.

Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 11:30 am

I’m sorry but when we talk about Minnesota and politics what comes to this conservatives mind is the Wellstone partisan political rally er I mean “memorial” in 2002. That kind of said it all for me.

D. Anderson
Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 11:50 am

Remember that that “memorial” was so obnoxious it resulted in a Republican Senator getting elected.

Speaking of Wellstone Memorials, there is a very creepy memorial at the site of the plane crash that killed him. People leave little offerings like teddy bears and statues, poems. People still make pilgrimages to it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 8:10 am

“They were the only state that went for Mondale during the presidential election of 1984!”

Good point. And Reagan was only about 1,000 votes short of winning Minnesota, too!

Reply to  rah
February 20, 2019 8:22 am

Hey, when some of the old times around here say “in recent years” they mean “since the 60’s”


Tom Abbott
Reply to  Schitzree
February 20, 2019 12:05 pm

Exactly! It seems like just yesterday! 🙂

D. Anderson
Reply to  Jim M
February 20, 2019 9:12 am

Mn came within a hairs breadth of going for Trump in 2016. The district Duluth is in elected a Republican representative in the last election.

February 20, 2019 5:50 am

A refugee center for wolves and moose perhaps, right after they get another ice covered Lake Superior and exit Isle Royale. That event is coming up by the way…..

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February 20, 2019 6:00 am

Is there something in the water in MN that makes people go crazy? There’s actually a group that wants to make MN run on 100% renewable energy, and a state representative just introduced a bill to make it so. This picture from the group’s website is hilarious. Did they ever think about solar panels needing to be cleaned to maintain rated output, or about snow having to be removed for them to even work? What drug-induced fantasy world are these people living in?

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CJ Fritz
February 20, 2019 6:05 am

Duluth, MN is right in my back yard (so to speak) and I can certainly tell you, NO ONE is going to migrate here for the weather. I have lived in MN all my life, the weather is now, and always has been… Unpredictable. In Duluth, even more so, as the big lake plays a HUGE part in the weather. Yes, the temps can change 30 degrees in 30 minutes, both ways, I have experienced it. And without reliable energy, there would most certainly be tons of folks freezing to death in the cold around here. Though many of us are smart enough to have wood heat in our homes up here, so “the smart ones” would last a bit longer. I have heated with nothing but wood here in the forest for 8 years now, if the power went down, I wouldn’t even notice, seeing as I am not even hooked to the grid in the first place.
Something else most folks not from around here may not know- Duluth taxes the living $#!+ out of their residents. The sales tax in Duluth for instance, is nearly 12%. The MN state sales tax is only around 7%. I can’t even begin to list all the taxes specific to Duluth, suffice to say, it ain’t cheap to live there.
Personally, I don’t even set foot in Duluth, I take my business over to Superior, WI 5.5% sales tax, and everything I need without the pretentious antique shops around every corner…

February 20, 2019 6:19 am

Dalute won’t be much of a refugee center when the ice is half a mile thick and heavy boulders are dragged for many kilometers.

Bruce Cobb
February 20, 2019 6:30 am

Climate change could hit suddenly and violently, and with no warning. In cases like that, we should know how to “duck and cover” from the effects of climate change. Here is a helpful video reminding us how to “Be like Bert, the turtle”:
This PSA brought to you by the makers of Ovaltine. Ovaltine – for strong bodies and minds. Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

February 20, 2019 6:51 am

A climate refugee of the global warming kind would be someone already in warm climate (say, South Florida) that has noticeably gotten TOO warm, moving north to previously cold climate (say, Northern Minnesota) that is now noticeably warmer, similar to the old southern climate.

That scenario has not happened, and won’t happen in any of our lifetimes.

Does anyone realize how much data one would need to collect to show that that has happened?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Bruckner8
February 20, 2019 7:02 am

I saw it happen in a movie once.

February 20, 2019 7:04 am

US Census data shows that Americans are still migrating SOUTH and WEST — South to Florida and west to California.

I guess they just didn’t get the word.

Are we sure this isn’t a spoof article from Minnesotans For Global Warming?

February 20, 2019 7:24 am

People in Winnipeg may think that Duluth is a “sanctuary” from the cold.
As of today’s posting, the Great Lakes Ice Cover is at 66.1%.
Same date last year at 42.2%.
In 2017 it was 8.0%.
This cannot be explained by “Global Warming”.
2017 may have been showing the tail end of the El Nino.
Numbers are not shown for earlier.

Curious George
Reply to  Bob Hoye
February 20, 2019 12:13 pm

Don’t underestimate the power of Global Warming. It can explain anything.

Al Miller
February 20, 2019 7:39 am

Freeze the (non-existent) climate refugees. Gosh I don’t know where to start on how stupid this is…

william Johnston
February 20, 2019 8:01 am

Maybe it was just an oversight but I didn’t see any skeptics listed for the program.

February 20, 2019 8:44 am

Can I get Duluth on it?
Duluth, bucko! You can get Tierra Del Fuego!

Maybe the Duluthians should become Tierra Del Fuegians?

Firesign Theatre How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You’re Not Anywhere At All? 1969

February 20, 2019 8:58 am

As a former Duluthian, I can only shake my head in embarrassment. Duluth has far bigger problems than worrying about “climate change”.

michael hart
February 20, 2019 11:03 am

Duluth, Minn
Local time: Wednesday 13:01
Weather: -7 °C, Wind NE at 22 mph

Not much else needs saying.

D. Anderson
Reply to  michael hart
February 20, 2019 11:27 am

Except that it’s snowing like crazy.

February 20, 2019 11:28 am

Here’s a live cam view that should motivate those climate refugees.

Ron Tuohimaa
February 21, 2019 5:50 am

There’s a book entitled, “They took my Father”. In the spring of 1986 representatives of the city of Duluth went to Petrozavodsk, Russia to see why they weren’t readily accepting Duluth as a sister city. What they found was a lot of American history and what you’ll read in the book is essentially a preview of the Green New Deal.

D Anderson
Reply to  Ron Tuohimaa
February 21, 2019 7:23 am

Why were the Finns so susceptible to Communist B.S?

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