Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
After my recent post on the futility of the US cutting down on CO2 emissions, I got to thinking about what is called the “social cost of carbon”. (In passing, even the name is a lie. It’s actually the supposed cost of carbon DIOXIDE, not carbon … salesmanship and “framing” applied to what should be science. But I digress …)
According to the Environmental Defense Fund the “social cost of carbon” is:
… the dollar value of the total damages from emitting one ton of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The current central estimate of the social cost of carbon is roughly $40 per ton.
Now, for me, discussing the “social cost of carbon” is a dereliction of scientific duty because it is only half of an analysis.
A real analysis is where you draw a vertical line down the middle of a sheet of paper. At the top of one side of the paper you write “Costs”, and under that heading, you list the costs of whatever you are analyzing … and at the top of the other side of the paper you write “Benefits” and beneath, you list those benefits. This is what is called a “cost/benefit analysis”, and only considering only the “Costs” column and ignoring the “Benefits” column constitutes scientific malfeasance.
Instead of just looking at the “social cost of carbon”, we also need to look at the “social benefit of carbon”, which if I follow the logic of the previous definition would be the dollar value of the total benefits from emitting one ton of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Now, the carbon emissions are coming from the use of fossil fuels. This set me to wondering about the historical changes in the mix of different fuels that power our planetary economy. So as is my wont, I got the data and I graphed it up. Figure 1 shows the changes in the mix of the fuels that the world uses to give us our amazing standard of living.

Figure 1: Global Total Primary Energy Consumption, 1965-2017.
First a word about units used to measure energy. The units of energy in Figure 1 are “million tonnes of oil equivalent”, abbreviated Mtoe. (“Tonnes” means metric tons of 1,000 kilograms, which are about 2200 pounds.).
An “Mtoe” is the amount of a given energy source, be it coal, natural gas, solar, or hydroelectric, that has the same amount of energy as a million tonnes of oil. There are other variants of this measure, such as billion tonnes of oil equivalent (Btoe), thousand or “kilo” tonnes of oil equivalent (Ktoe), and barrels of oil equivalent (BOE). One BOE is equivalent to 1,682 kilowatt-hours of energy. For these types of conversions from one unit to another I use the wonderful UnitJuggler.
Now that we understand the units, see that red thread up at the top of Figure 1 above? That’s solar energy.
Plus wind energy.
Plus biofuels energy from ethanol and biodiesel.
Plus geothermal energy.
Plus tidal energy.
Plus biomass energy.
Plus wave energy.
In short, that red line is the sum of every kind of renewable energy we use commercially, and after years of subsidies, it’s grown all the way up to being two and a half percent of the total energy we use.
Be still, my beating heart …
And sadly, this has been at a huge cost to the taxpayer. Not only does the renewable energy itself cost more than either fossil fuels or nuclear energy, but the subsidies are also horrendous. Figure 2 shows a part of what the US taxpayer has been shelling out for the privilege of using unreliable, weak, intermittent renewable energy …

Figure 2. Average US subsidies on various fuel sources.
Figure 2 shows the subsidy per barrel of oil equivalent energy (BOE). For energy from oil and coal, the subsidy is trivially small. For nuclear, it’s larger, but still reasonable, since nuclear energy is dispatchable reliable baseline power.
But the subsidy for intermittent, unreliable renewable energy is huge. For comparison with the renewable subsidy, today’s price for a barrel of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil is $51.15. Plus the $0.26 per barrel subsidy on oil, we’re paying $51.41 per barrel … which means that the subsidy alone on renewable energy is over half of the cost of an equivalent amount of oil!
And that’s just the Federal subsidies. In addition, states like California have costly “Cap And Trade” programs, “carbon taxes”, and “renewable mandates” that are all extra costs tacked on to the price of renewable energy.
And even with that huge Federal subsidy, plus all of the other coercive measures used to push the renewable dream year after year, after immense amounts of money spent decade after decade, after all of that, renewable energy is STILL less than three percent of the global energy usage.
And as we’ve seen in France, folks are getting fed up with paying this exorbitant subsidy for an economically uncompetitive form of energy …
One thing that these figures make abundantly clear is that renewable energy ain’t gonna save us. For the foreseeable future, the world will continue to be powered mostly by fossil fuels, and all the subsidies, and all the carbon taxes, and all the “renewable mandates”, and all the US Resolutions and the wishful thinking won’t change that.
While looking at the graphs above, I fell to considering how energy is inextricably linked to economic development. Energy is what drives the great economic engine of the planet, the engine that has lifted us out of the ugly, short, brutal lives of our predecessors and has insulated us from the vagaries of the weather.
So … how well does historical energy use correlate with the global Gross Domestic Product, which is the global sum of all of the goods and services produced annually? Figure 3 shows that relationship.

Figure 3. Scatterplot, global energy use versus global gross domestic product. Energy use source as in Figure 1. As noted on the vertical axis, all prices are in constant (inflation-adjusted) current US$.
As you can see, the global Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is a simple linear function of how much energy we use. You could think of the economy as a giant machine that turns energy into goods and services. We harvest energy in one of a hundred forms, including human labor, and we use that energy to make steel and build houses and create medicines and catch fish and grow food and manufacture automobiles and engage in all forms of creation of wealth. The relationship is clear—how wealthy we are is simply a function of how much energy we can command.
Now, every year the world is needing to feed and house and clothe and transport an increasing number of people. It’s not optional. The population is going up. Not only that, but poor people want to have reasonably comfortable lives like those of us in the industrialized world. There are only two ways that we will be able to take care of all of their needs.
The two ways are first, to use more energy … and second, to use it all more efficiently. Regarding efficiency, Figure 4 shows the increase over time in the GDP per barrel of oil equivalent energy used.

Figure 4. Change over time in the amount of goods and services (constant 2016 dollars) that we get from using energy. As noted on the vertical axis, all prices are in constant (inflation-adjusted) current US$.
Now, this is interesting. Back in 1965, for every barrel of oil equivalent energy that we used, we got about fifty dollars worth of goods and services.
And today, about fifty years later, we’re getting about five hundred dollars worth of goods and services out of the exact same amount of energy. This is good news—we’re getting more and more goods and services out of each unit of energy that we use. Thanks to the joys of competition and the fact that energy costs money, we’re constantly finding new and inventive ways to produce more with less energy.
With that relationship between energy and GDP as prologue, let me follow another train of thought. Fossil fuels are hydrocarbons, so-called because they are compounds of hydrogen and carbon. When they are burned, you get energy from two sources—the hydrogen and the carbon. When you burn hydrogen, you get water plus energy. When you burn carbon, you get carbon dioxide plus energy.
This means that the amount of carbon dioxide produced is a direct and simple function of the amount of energy used. Given the same mix of energy sources, more CO2 produced means more energy used, and vice versa. Figure 5 shows that relationship

Figure 5. Tonnes of CO2 emitted per tonnes of oil equivalent energy used.
(Yes, I know that it’s strange that we get more than one tonne of CO2 from burning one tonne of oil. The reason is that the oxygen in the carbon dioxide comes from the air. Before burning, the molecular weight of the carbon is 12 … after burning, the molecular weight of the CO2 is 44. Because of that, we get more than a tonne of CO2 out of burning a tonne of oil. We now return you to your previously scheduled programming …)
And this brings us to the final relationship. We know that both GDP and CO2 emissions are functions of the amount of energy used. This, of course, means that we can take a look at the relationship between GDP and CO2. To make the relationship clear and understandable, I’ve added CO2 to Figure 3, which showed GDP versus Energy Use.

Figure 6. Scatterplot, global energy use and concomitant CO2 emissions versus global gross domestic product. Energy use source as in Figure 1. As noted on the vertical axis, all prices are in constant (inflation-adjusted) current US$.
As in Figure 3, Figure 6 again shows that for each additional tonne of oil equivalent energy use, we get $5,740 in additional goods and services.
It also shows that for each additional tonne of CO2 produced from that energy use, we get $4,380 in additional goods and services.
And this brings me back to the question of cost/benefit analyses and the idea of the “social benefit of carbon”. As noted above, people put the “social cost of carbon” (actually carbon dioxide) at “roughly $40 per ton”.
Now, remember that corresponding to the “social cost of carbon”, the “social benefit of carbon” is:
… the dollar value of the total benefits from emitting one ton of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
As Figure 6 shows, the benefit that we get from emitting that additional tonne of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is an increase in goods and services of $4,380 … which dwarfs the assumed social cost of carbon of $40. When we do an actual cost/benefit analysis, the result is almost all benefit.
FOOTNOTE: Let me add one other much smaller aspect of the question of the social benefit of carbon. This involves the “greening” of the planet due to the increased atmospheric carbon dioxide. Greenhouse owners routinely release CO2 inside their greenhouses to improve plant growth. Figure 7 shows plant growth at ambient (AMB) CO2 levels, as well as at the current level plus 150, 300, and 450 ppmv.

Figure 7. Plant growth under differing levels of CO2.
Now, the best estimate is that to date, the increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 have increased global plant growth by about 10%.
To see how much difference that 10% makes to the human agricultural production, I turn to that marvelous site, the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) dataset, available here. It says that the total of all commercially-raised fruit, vegetable, and fiber production in 2016 was about US$4.6 trillion. If we assume that it increased by 7% due to the increased plant growth from CO2, that is a benefit of about US$322 billion dollars.
And dividing that by the 33.5 billion tonnes of CO2 emitted in 2016 gives us a net benefit of about $9 per tonne of CO2 … and I note that this does NOT include the value of the 10% growth in things like forest production of timber, or the increase in oceanic production of plankton and associated marine growth, or the increase in meat and dairy production due to increased pasture growth, or the increase in home-garden vegetables (which make up a surprising amount of world food production).
It also doesn’t include the benefits of the decreased cost of water used to produce fruits, fibers, and vegetables. Plants have pores in their skin through which they take in CO2. The less CO2 the air contains, the wider those pores must open. The problem is that water escapes through the pores, and the wider the pores open, the more water the plant uses, and thus the more water the plant needs to stay healthy. So when CO2 levels go up, water use goes down … another social benefit of CO2.
My conclusion? The reason that alarmists talk about the “social cost of carbon” and never talk about the “social benefits of carbon” is that the assumed possible costs of engaging in activities that emit CO2 are in measured in tens of dollars per tonne of CO2. Not only that, but those are predicted future costs, which will be valid only if the “CO2 Roolz The Temperature” theory is correct.
But the social benefits of engaging in activities that emit carbon dioxide, as we’ve seen above, are measured in thousands of dollars per tonne of CO2 … and those are real measurable benefits that don’t depend on alarmist doomcasts of future claimed catastrophes.
Here, a bit of rain again, a good day for writing. The cat just came in, he’s not happy about the rain, but the forest plants are loving it.
My wish for all of you is for days of rain when you need water, days of sun when you need to recharge your mental batteries, and the wisdom to know that the weather doesn’t give a damn which one you might want on any given day …
w.
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Here’s the social benefits of Co2 over the last 200 years. Dr Rosling shows the amazing change from 1810 to 2010 or from poor and sick to healthy and wealthy. This BBC video snippet takes just 4 minutes of your time and yet hardly any of the so called experts ever link or quote his work. I wonder why?
But it does tell us the truth about the amazing change brought on by the Ind Rev and the wonderful bonus of using FOSSIL fuels. OH and the planet is now greening because of the extra Co2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo
Another Rosling video tries to stop people being so ignorant about our planet. This TED talk and large audience try to answer a few simple questions, just watch the first 5 minutes and see them try and beat the chimps. I don’t think Willis will have much trouble finding the correct answers.
Rosling has some very good points and his book, “Factfulness: Ten Reasons We’re Wrong About the World–and Why Things Are Better Than You Think” is well worth reading. HOWEVER, he is also a climate alarmist. I note his snide comments about climate ‘deniers,’ his rather extravagant admiration of Al Gore and of ‘activists’ of many kinds.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/14/factfulness-a-book-review/#comment-2517653
Bob T wrote:
“First, let me warn you that Hans Rosling firmly believes in human-induced global warming/climate change.”
If Hans Rosling believed that human induced global warming and climate change are catastrophic problems, then I have a big problem with that.
Having studied this subject since 1985 and having written on it since 2002, it is my considered opinion that anyone who believes in catastrophic global warming and climate change is (at best) incompetent.
A careful examination of available data according to the scientific method provides no evidence to support the catastrophic human-made global warming hypothesis, and ample evidence to disprove it.
In fields such as engineering and health sciences where results matter, and where errors can result in the human deaths, it is insufficient to have a pretty methodology when your results are dead wrong. The only thing that really matters in this critical fields is that you get the answer correct the first time.
The errors and frauds that abound in climate science have caused great harm to humanity and the environment. Tens of trillions of dollars of scarce global resources have been squandered on this alarmist nonsense. Properly allocated, these trillions could have saved tens of millions of lives and greatly reduced human suffering.
We published in 2002 that the global warming crisis was a false alarm and that green energy would fail to replace fossil fuels. Nothing has changed since then.
Global warming alarmism is the greatest fraud, in dollar terms, in the history of humanity.
Post script:
I am dictating this note so I apologize for any typos.
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I disagree – the problem with the CAGW religion is that its adherents insist that you act according to their rules. It is the ultimate evangelical religion – that insists that you must convert to its mantras and it vilifies and persecutes you if you refuse to accept its hysterical nonsense.
Read Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” – that is their playbook.
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Hi Kip,
I wrote:
“IF Hans Rosling believed that human induced global warming and climate change are catastrophic problems, then I have a big problem with that.”
If one does not have the interest or the skills to research an important subject before publicly opining on it, then the responsible opinion is “I do not know”.
It is irresponsible, especially for influential people, to opine on a subject as important as global warming alarmism without doing their homework.
For the record, “doing your homework” means examining the available evidence according to the scientific method. It is not “Oh well, my friends think this so therefore I think this too”.
Global warming alarmism has cost trillions of dollars and millions of lives. It is extremely harmful and it is the greatest scam, in dollar terms, in the history of humanity.
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Repeating from above:
“In fields such as engineering and health sciences where results matter, and where errors can result in the human deaths, it is insufficient to have a pretty methodology when your results are dead wrong.
The only thing that really matters in these critical fields is that you get the answer correct the first time.”
Several times in my life, I’ve had to take rapid action that resulted in the saving of lives – from one to many. Fortunately, I was correct in my situation analysis and I was able to take the proper corrective action.
In each of the situations, from one to many people had the same analytical opportunity but made an erroneous conclusion as to the outcome.
I am unimpressed by pretty theories that result in catastrophic outcomes. This is the case with CAGW (global warming) alarmist nonsense.
I recommend Roslings posthumous book “FACTFULLNESS”. Entertaining and educational.
see also: http://misi-net.com/publications/USEA-1214.pdf
Anyone who believes that CO2 is a dangerous poison, should wear a gas mask to absorb there own exhalations.
Wouldn’t need to make too many. After an activist dies from loss of essential CO2, the mask car be passed on to the next activist.
CO2 is the active component of the body’s pH buffering system. It is not just plants that need CO2 in the atmosphere.
Rayinga I didn’t say Rosling was perfect and he hasn’t ever sung for his supper, but he does understand how the Ind Rev has doubled life expectancy in just 200 years, plus all the other benefits.
BTW China today generates 66.7% of TOTAL energy from coal ( US just 17.1%) and their average life expectancy has rapidly increased to 76 years. IEA data.
At the death of Mao average life exp would have been about 50 and today life exp in the so called big polluted cities is about the same as the wealthy OECD. See Rosling compare Shanghai to Italy at Stats video.
Poorer Chinese provinces have much lower Life exp.
Willis,
Your piece is a very good summary of the situation. I only have one quibble. You said, “Back in 1965, for every barrel of oil equivalent energy that we used, we got about fifty dollars worth of goods and services.
And today, about fifty years later, we’re getting about five hundred dollars worth of goods and services out of the exact same amount of energy.”
I question whether that really supports the claim of more efficiency, or whether it just accounts for inflation. That is, if I remember correctly, 1965 was the first year that a Corvette had a base price of over $5,000. Today, Corvettes go for well over $50,000. It seems to me that if we were using oil more efficiently, and getting more out of it, we should be able to buy a new Corvette for $500!
Note that on the side of the graph in Figure 4 it says that the dollars used are “constant current dollars”. This means that they are adjusted for inflation, so your issue is already included in the calculation.
w.
Willis Eschenbach
I was aware that they were in “constant dollars.” I think that you missed my point: I was questioning whether your argument actually demonstrated that we are using energy 10X more efficiently.
Clyde, you said:
Since it is in constant dollars, that means dollars adjusted for inflation. So it is NOT inflation.
Best regards,
w.
I love Climate Pseudoscience where stupidity analysis follow stupidity analysis.
You can not calculate the Social Cost of a ton of a greenhouse gas because you can not separate out the exact effects it has on so many things from temperature change, damage risks, agricultural change, enviromental damage etc there are just a bunch of really wild guess numbers. Then you have a consumer in country X, who the cost must be worked for person in country Y. There is no direct way to equate the living standards and enviromental costs because you need both country X & Y to equate all things the same.
If you really think you can do it tell me what the compensation should be for loss of an arm to any person on the planet.
In Australia the prescribed minimum compensation numbers are
Loss of arm at or above elbow $191,682.00
Loss of arm below elbow $170,384.00
It will be different in any given country and in some 3rd world countries it will be tiny. That is because we don’t have a world wide consistent view of the cost on a person or there parts.
So even trying to attribute a Social Cost of something that costs someones arm can only be done on a country by country basis, you simply can’t do it on a worldwide basis. So when someone talks about a worldwide Social Cost of carbon you know they are dribbling rubbish.
I read many doom and gloom forecasts about potential opportunity cost consequences if we dont act to reduce CO2 emissions. I dont see the same consequences included in mitigation strategies if the money was spent on other noble causes..eg poverty reduction or cheap electricity availability…lack of leading to conflict, exploitation, etc. It seems to me, regardless of the scientific truth of CAGW, the priorities for where to best spend limited funds is not well applied.
So if CO2 has increased plantlife by 10%, does it not stand to reason that tne amount of fuel available for wildfires has also risen by 10%. So when the leftist say that fires are getting/will get worse they are actually correct?
Yes, bushfires are getting worse. It’s happening because the leftists won’t allow proper management practices, such as clearing fuel loads from the land through controlled burning.
I thought that the article was a brilliant one, clearly showing the one sided attitude of the Warmers. Obviously every event about anything has both a good and a bad factor. Hitler for example did a lot of good for Germany right up to 1939. Then he or as some say, his double, seemed to be crazy with his ideas of doing what Napolian failed to do.
MJE
Re. wild fires, or as we say Bush fires are getting worse. Well that depends if the Greens control things.
I have brother who lives next to a wild reserve, there is lots of timber on the forest floor but the locals are forbidden to collect it, as the greens say that it has to slowly rot into the ground.
Its the fuel load on the forest floor which makes the lightnine strikes fire far worse these days.
MJE
Michael, not talking about greens controlling thing.just saying more co2 will increase fires. Based on what Willis said, they are right?
From the article: “According to the Environmental Defense Fund the “social cost of carbon” is:
… the dollar value of the total damages from emitting one ton of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.”
Does anyone have a list of damages caused by emitting one ton of carbon dioxide. I can’t think of any offhand. What are they talking about?
Here’s an economist’s study of the question …
w.
Thanks for the link, Willis.
I wouldn’t have been confused if it had been called “the social cost of CAGW” instead of “the scial cost of carbon”.
Here’s an excerpt from that link:
“Any study of the economic impact of climate change begins with some assumptions on future emissions; on the extent and pattern of warming; and on other possible aspects of climate change, such as sea level rise and changes in rainfall and storminess. The studies must then translate from climate change to economic consequences. A range of methodological approaches are possible.”
What this really is, is a bunch of assumptions about costs built on a bunch of assumptions about how CO2 interacts with the atmosphere (CAGW). Some of our political leaders plan to tax us based on these assumptions!
MarkW gave a very good description of what “the social cost of carbon” is, in his post just below. 🙂
The problem is even when a economist tries it note the first thing you run into the problem, the initial report he rightly notes “they extrapolated his U.S. estimate to the world”. The USA is not a representative sample of the world, given the highest populations are in China you could argue that would make far more sense. This is the sort of junk social justice warriors try to pedal that every person and everything in the enviroment has some worldwide accepted value.
To dance around the basic problems that one of the things you need to do social costs is a common market and economy. There is no such thing as an normal value for human damage or enviroment damage it varies wildly at about the same rate as valuing art. You may think a painting is worth millions and I might consider it not worth a dollar and so you can’t do a social cost on art unless you reduce to a specific group.
Carbon social costs can only be done on a country by country basis because there is no common ground to do it beyond that because values are in the eye of the beholder.
Tom A.,
The idea is such a quagmire that no one, apparently wants to show a table or list. I did have the following thought, however.
Let’s say a snowflake is driving along and passes a building with a chimney that has some smoke coming out. OMG! It’s carbon pollution!
Our snowflake, not realizing the material the vehicle sends out its tailpipe and the material coming off the tires is his/her/its responsibility. Nevertheless, seeing the smoke causes said snowflake to run into a utility pole, take the wires down,starts a fire, totals the auto, and breaks his/her/its arm. As a result of this accident the snowflake needs professional counselling.
Tally up the costs of all of the above and you get the amount for one event of the social cost of carbon.
Be of good cheer.
Most of the so called “costs of carbon” are either mostly or completely imaginary.
Most of the social cost of carbon is in speculative premature mortalities, something that isn’t even a factor in GDP calculation.
Nobody would be chasing the unicorn unless there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
The control knob for social cost of carbon is the discount rate. A realistic discount rate produces a realistic social benefit of carbon.
Not entirely accurate. However it is true that a realistic discount rate produces a zero social cost of carbon.
Could you explain your analysis ti get to zero?
A bit of misrepresentation is in adding up the benefits in goods from carbon-based fuels. Renewable energy could potentially provide the same benefits if appropriate subsidies were provided.
A good point is the “greening” issue being an offset to social costs of carbon. So its relatively certain the NGOs didn’t include that in their calculation of the social costs of carbon and indeed its a unique benefit of carbon. So if the $9 a ton is correct the net social cost of carbon would be alleged to be $31 a ton which still exceeds current renewable subsidies over carbon subsidies.
In my experience a more fruitful exercise is looking at the basis of the $40. Is that supported by evidence as is the $9 of greening benefit. Most likely its made up of a good deal of “projected costs” that have never actually occurred. At least that or a more careful analysis of the greening number would be necessary to suggest. . . .uh. . . .somewhat scientifically (fiscally) if the current subsidies should be reduced or increased.
Willis,
Congrats, clear and simple, this message should be spread far and wide.
Willis, can you please specify more precisely you find these numbers.
The table on page nine in the full report from BP shows different numbers. Renewables are 3.6 percent in that table.
Furthermore, in your graph oil is more than 50% of the total energy consumption, and I don’t think that is correct by any measure.
https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/en/corporate/pdf/energy-economics/statistical-review/bp-stats-review-2018-full-report.pdf
/Jan
You are correct about oil, it looks way too high. I broke out solar and wind from biomass & geothermal…
Rounding to the nearest 1%, I get:
Wind 2%
Geothermal & biomass 1%
Solar 1%
Renewables are insignificant any way you slice it.
Sorry Willis, this is economic garbage. Just an utter misunderstanding of economics and what “social cost” is. And I am a sceptic.
The social cost is about externalities, costs that are not fully included in the price of something. Take aircraft noise. Yes, aviation adds huge value, I get that value when I fly somewhere and to do so I pay the price of the ticket. But the people on the ground not flying get noise. That noise is a social cost. So my ticket price should include the cost of providing noise insulation to the people on the ground, otherwise the ticket price does not include the full cost of my travel. There are not two sides that need to be taken into account, just the total actual cost of something we consume.
We should all agree that we should pay all the costs of what we choose to do.
We can argue about whether CO2 is an externality, how much we should charge for that and who should pay, but to claim there’s no cost because there is a bigger benefit is to absolutely miss the point. This is a wholly accepted and sensible economic argument, not an Alarmist scare tactic.
You picked the wroooooong example!!!
The reason this sets me off you have caved to another special interest group!!! You see, THE AIRPORT WAS THERE FIRST!!! 99.9% of the residents living under the approach pattern of an airfield bought their home after the airfield was up and running in full operation! And likely got a discount on the home because of the proximity of and potential noise from the airfield. And then, 40 years down the road, there get to be enough residents, usually spurred on by an ambulance chasing lawyer, who band together, file suit against the city, show up at city council meeting waving signs and making a lot of noise (but only when the camera is pointed at them and the “community organizer” directs them too) demanding their “externality” payment, which they already received in the reduced price of their home, and you can depart for vacation on some Caribbean isle with just a 10 minute drive to begin it. It starts to sound like extortion, doesn’t it?
Which is exactly right where we are with the so-called Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming!!! You heated your house, you already got your “externality” payment! You cooled your house through a long hot summer, you already got your “externality” payment! You kept your pool clean and pretty and fit for you to dampen your darling little tooshy in any time you choose, you already got your “externality” payment! Enough with the wealth envy already, quit trying to claw down those who had vision and worked hard to achieve something, and go make your own pile of money for lazy people to envy! All your proposed “solutions” only make it harder for you yourself (I’m talking to you, poor people like me who have a vision and may some day get up and do something about it) to be successful with your own big idea and hard work.
For further reading; The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels” by Alex Epstein
A very good read and he has several talks on youtube.
Willis – regarding this statement:
“Back in 1965, for every barrel of oil equivalent energy that we used, we got about fifty dollars worth of goods and services.
And today, about fifty years later, we’re getting about five hundred dollars worth of goods and services out of the exact same amount of energy.”
For this comparison, are the dollars adjusted to compensate for inflation? A consumer price index (CPI) adjustment would be appropriate.
A quick look at the CPI calculator shows $50.00 in 1965 would equate to $403.91 today.
Nice piece of work, Willis.
I suggest another way to look at this will be helpful.
“The current central estimate of the social cost of carbon is roughly $40 per ton”
This, as anyone who investigates it’s origin knows, comes from a thumbsuck by the US EPA. It not based on something real. It is a “needed outcome” based on justifying certain subsidies.
More on target is the use of the term “opportunity cost” which refers to what you give up and what you get. Every economic decision involves an opportunity cost because the investment of resources could have been otherwise employed.
What you have described is in a way, it’s inverse. By starting with the “cost of carbon dioxide emissions” you can reasonably invoke the metric “the opportunity gain”, rather than the opportunity cost.
By “stopping” the emission of a ton of carbon dioxide, there is the gain, supposedly, of a cooler world, or at least a not-warmer one. AGW supposes a colder world is better because the intention is to “cool it by one degree”. There is absolutely no evidence for this benefit but let’s let that ride for the moment.
So the opportunity gain is a lack of warming. Your argument is that the opportunity gain is so small, compared with the opportunity gain of using the fuel effectively, it is not worth changing horses.
If analyzed conventionally using the opportunity cost comparison, the loss of the “cooler world” is counterbalanced by the gain of modern civilization. It is obvious that those who are calculating the “social cost of carbon” are including more than the economic cost (because it would otherwise be a small number). It is only valid for informing policy i
f the opportunity gain is compared with the opportunity gain of the alternative choice.
It has been pointed out on the hallowed pages of WUWT that the economic cost anticipated of “doing nothing” about “global warming” is about one per cent of the benefits of fossil fuels.
We could use the next century developing brilliant energy generation inventions and creating an electrically powered world. Fossil fuels could be used for making fertilizers and plastics as they dribble into our hands.
The opportunity gain is mighty and in the case of AGW, the cost speculative and small. This assessment is supported by dozens of scientific assessments and the trends in relevant measurements.
Willis wrote:
“You could think of the economy as a giant machine that turns energy into goods and services.”
Spot on. Karl Marx concluded that everything can be reduced to labour, and capital was a form of stored labour. This is, of course, incorrect as it does not admit that energy exists in any form other than labour. Finite fossil fuel means finite fossil fuel energy. It therefore has a value outside that of labour.
All good and serves can also be described in terms of energy, including human labour. Energy is managed by human labour, and labour is not the source of all the energy in the final product.
Making the production of some function “more efficient” can be described on many ways, but making it more energy efficient, including reducing the amount of human labour involved, is one. The “ephemeralisation” of technology, a term coined by Bucky Fuller, is energy efficiency on a grand scale, without prejudice.
There was a tiny hubbub when the UK had an increase in GDP a couple of years ago with a drop in total energy consumption. That is what Bucky F was talking about – decoupling energy from GDP. It is possible. It is also desirable, but it is not the end of all discussion. Discovering new ways to generate energy, particularly electrical energy, is going to go on forever, thankfully.
Plentiful energy allows us to recycle limited supplies of resources. Perhaps it will allow us to manufacture all elements at will and in quantity. I don’t limit the future. In the next half a million years we will move far beyond this “hunter-gatherer” form of energy generation.
Where are the peer reviewed studies that investigate the benefits of more CO2 in the atmosphere? I also notice the usual alarmist critics are deathly silent on this post. I wonder why?
Willis ……. Have you seen this Dr Danial Britt video ………..
Dan Britt – Orbits and Ice Ages: The History of Climate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yze1YAz_LYM