Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Breitbart – Governor Jerry Brown of California thinks coming climate disasters will convert even the “worst” skeptics in five years, though in a surprisingly moderate interview (for Brown) he also admitted that forest management might be playing a part in California’s wildfires.
Source: Breitbart and CBS Face The Nation
Note: the five year quote is at the end of the video clip above
A few months ago, Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke fired a broadside at green obstructionism, blaming green activists for stopping logging and other active forest intervention, which led to a rise in fuel load and the severity of forest fires.
… Third, and most important, the active management of our forests will save lives. The Carr Fire in northern California has already claimed half a dozen lives, and the Ferguson Fire has taken the lives of two firefighters. Sadly, these are not the only wildfire casualties this year.
Every year we watch our forests burn, and every year there is a call for action. Yet, when action comes, and we try to thin forests of dead and dying timber, or we try to sustainably harvest timber from dense and fire-prone areas, we are attacked with frivolous litigation from radical environmentalists who would rather see forests and communities burn than see a logger in the woods. …
Even if you believe climate change is contributing to the fires, better forest management will save lives. If there is nothing to burn, there can be no fire. Proper firebreaks, tree thinning and access roads should be enough, but chopping down entire forests is always an option, for areas where access roads and firebreaks do not provide sufficient protection. Human lives are more important than trees.
At the very least clear the trees away from houses in vulnerable areas. Every picture of Paradise, California I’ve seen to date shows the remains of giant trees right next to burned out buildings. This is madness.
We learned this lesson the hard way in Australia. Let us hope US government agencies take action before more lives are lost.
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Well I am not exactly blessed as I am a 60+ old white guy but I have seen and heard this “Bushfire” (Wildfire) argument about 20 or 30 times over my life. I really mean I have observed this phenomena that many times.
The argument hardly changes. One side says cut back the fuel load (the only constant I know that creates the ensuing havoc and loss of life) and the other says no way we must look after the environment.
Then it happens and unfortunately the Brown’s of the world seize the opportunity to blame CC.
I am loathe to speak ill of other counry’s Pollies but Brown is an A Grade idiot.
At least he can be drawn and quartered in 2023, or is that another tipping point that has ongoing error bars the like of which I have never seen!!
This is a big battle folks!
As a very rich retiree, Jerry Brown can retreat to behind his privileged, gated community barricades and feign total deafness to any pleas from other Americans for sanity to correct the demise in their quality of life brought about by his public energy and immigration social policies.
The stratospheric polar vortex pattern is now compatible with the geomagnetic field in the north.
Sorry.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2018/11/19/1200Z/wind/isobaric/70hPa/orthographic=-92.84,86.33,340
So what are your specific predictions?
Similar as below.
Circulation forecast.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_int/gif_files/gfs_o3mr_150_NA_f120.png
20th Century Democide – University of Hawaii
Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5′, then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than dies in all the foreign & international wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimated of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century.
These tactics are not new, they are the tactics inflicted upon the people of Palestine by Israel.
The Electronic Intifada by Ali Abunimah is a good place to look.
God forbid that the Israeli’s should be allowed to defend themselves.
I’m tired of having retarded egotists in government.
We need to start testing these (Snipped) and require a degree.
Maybe in 5 years Jerry Brown will be called to task as to why he signed this —
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SB_1463_Veto_Message.pdf
Re. health care , I recall reading about Challenncer Bismark of 1880 teees Germany sad, For a greater Germany it is important t that a man has a reasonable waage, has a house to live in, , and is in good health (Women did not get a mention back then.)
n 1942 when he US was calling men up for military service, a very high percentage were rejected as physically unfit, the result of the Gr eat Depression and a lack of affordable health car e.
So if you want a country which is fit to take the shocks and kncks of todays
workd, ensure that there is a affordable and good health care system.
By the way Bismark was very right wing, but he knew what was good for Germany.
MJE
First off, having money does not make one right wing.
The claim that adequate nutrition and health care are necessary for there to be enough young men suitable for sending to war, is not evidence that government is the best way to achieve this goal.
If you want to make it possible for people to afford to eat and have health care, the only way to do this is to increase the average wealth of the population. You do this by getting government out of the way, not by making government even bigger and more intrusive.
“War on Skeptics!”
In a few years only lackies, lick-spittles, toadies and gratuitous sycophants will be deemed able to make up their ‘own’ mind, and to have their ‘own’ opinion, or be worthy of a license for using ‘free’ speech or permit-ed to associate with approved persons, or buy an iPhoney EleventyNGx.
Please view Juan Browne’s video from 17th November 2018. He shows in a couple of minutes, just just how the last 60 years of forestry mismanagement created the fuel loads for wildfires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ZmxmrVCaQ
As was the case in November 2017, it’s possible that PG & E Recloser devices were the cause of this years’s “Camp” disaster.
http://sfist.com/2017/11/02/pge_recloser_devices_implicated_as.php
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/30/reclosers-investigated-cause-wine-country-wildfires/
Perry,
Even the folks at Lake Tahoe figured out that it’s not a good idea to have a few inches of dry pine needles on top of your roof, against the deck, etc. The homes that made it through the Angora fire were those whose owners sweep up the needles and watered area around their homes.
https://www.rgj.com/story/life/outdoors/2017/06/22/angora-fire-war-zone-defined-generation-lake-tahoe/418213001/
Gov. Brown leaves a legacy of ashes, literally and figuratively.
And California just elected his less intelligent more extreme protege.
Think of Venezuela’s Chavez followed by Maduro.
I am going to really find a way to get my son and his family out of there.
To quote a well known waiter.
He’s clazy, clazy!
Moonbeam never was in contact with reality. That has not changed.
If he’s right and people are that stupid, expect massive death and misery. I guess that’s his goal, based on looking at California right now.
I always knew he reads 1984 like an instruction manual.
A very sad state of affairs.
But.
It is NOT my fault because once a year I drive my pickup the 2800 km total to visit my sister and the 5600 km total to visit my stepson.
It is -32 C this morning, the truck will run at least 10 minutes before heading out today. I will also be heating my house, with low carbon hydroelectric power, that you don’t even recognise as renewable energy.
You government officials really should try to learn about how things actually work in life, like proper forestry practices, before spewing nonsense and gibberish.
In 2016 we passed the ‘Tipping Point’ and we are all miraculously alive and thriving as far as climate is concerned. The predictors of climate disaster are still enjoying their seaside mansions, flying to conferences in private jets, driving in limos and telling us we have to accept the world’s most expensive and unreliable power that cannot lower carbon emissions and we must at all cost stand in the way of nuclear, fracking, natural gas and even the transmission of hydraulic power from Canada. We have to accept penance for being the world’s freest and most successful country by sending jobs overseas to the world’s greatest polluters and producers of carbon emissions and pollution. We must accept the dictate that the world is overheating and will become uninhabitable no matter what historic evidence says and how badly models perform even though they are the only ‘Proof’ of a theory.
Is there a way of holding Brown to that statement? AGW makes outrages statements, makes policies based on those statements … then nothing happens. Only in the minds of the deranged… let’s send some kids on a totally safe Arctic excursion. See! There’s no ice! The models say so! Yes, the fire is tragic, however building with trees next to your property is never a good idea. Further being in a forest, I didn’t see one fire wall around any property. It stops the blowing embers from reaching the house. And with trees that burn with the intensity of gasoline, I’d have the distance to the nearest tree far enough away so the house doesn’t burn from the heat. The result of that fire, climate change or plain stupidity?
Although weather is not climate, climate is made up of the aggregation of weather. The following story has nothing to do with this story:
https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/2018-11-18-thanksgiving-day-record-cold-northeast/
He is referring to the next over reach Presidency and hinting at the possibility of re-education camps for fact checkers of political climate change.
Never underestimate climate change as the Swiss Army Knife of political gamesmanship. It can either be used to deflect mismanagement and culpability in the case of forest management or it can be used to generate major new revenue for high speed rail mileage to nowhere and any other spending need that the elite need to cover. And can even be used simultaneously in the cases above, which makes it a very special tool in the absence of competency. You can even use it while blaming PG&E. The uses are endless for any devious minded user in power.
This is the guy who counseled the Pope on global warming and the handy uses of it in sidestepping other policy problems like sex abuse in the Catholic Church. The tactics look familiar.
He is correct!
The “worst skeptics” are the worst because they believe what they are told, without checking the data that supports the supposition. Their level of skepticism is so low that it is insignificant. Just like the level of change we are imposing on the climate. It exists, but it is at a level that is insignificant.
And in five more years of insignificant change the worst skeptics will still believe what the climate astrologers tell them to believe.
So for once Moonbeam stumbled into the truth. Must have been a Freudian slip.
Alternatively, in 5 years the electorate will have booted out the worst of alarmists politicians.
Jerry Brown and many others should do a search of the NY Times archives or other digitized national paper for years 1933 to 1936 using key words temperature and drought. You get lots of hits and it will sound a like the present. Not just drought will be in the hits, but record temperatures in California. What is happening is not unique. My prediction is 5 to 10 years from now science will have a black eye over their predictions.
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1936/07/12/85408746.pdf
(Need to be a subscriber to read it) MOD
Try this one https://nyti.ms/2DxYsss
https://www.dropbox.com/s/omkfwt3d4qf1gx5/1936%20drought.pdf?dl=0
Why wait five years when they could convert many of us overnight with a simple external examination by an aggressive panel demanding answers to the hundreds of perfectly reasonable questions instead of using vile associative insults like the use of denier with its Nazi implications as currently happens to us.
First question should be how dare you claim the science is beyond question given the spectacular failure rate where blind guesses will produce better results than climate science by a dramatic margin.
In five years the worst fact checkers will be gone, or the climate excuse engine will wind down.