Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Breitbart – Governor Jerry Brown of California thinks coming climate disasters will convert even the “worst” skeptics in five years, though in a surprisingly moderate interview (for Brown) he also admitted that forest management might be playing a part in California’s wildfires.
Source: Breitbart and CBS Face The Nation
Note: the five year quote is at the end of the video clip above
A few months ago, Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke fired a broadside at green obstructionism, blaming green activists for stopping logging and other active forest intervention, which led to a rise in fuel load and the severity of forest fires.
… Third, and most important, the active management of our forests will save lives. The Carr Fire in northern California has already claimed half a dozen lives, and the Ferguson Fire has taken the lives of two firefighters. Sadly, these are not the only wildfire casualties this year.
Every year we watch our forests burn, and every year there is a call for action. Yet, when action comes, and we try to thin forests of dead and dying timber, or we try to sustainably harvest timber from dense and fire-prone areas, we are attacked with frivolous litigation from radical environmentalists who would rather see forests and communities burn than see a logger in the woods. …
Even if you believe climate change is contributing to the fires, better forest management will save lives. If there is nothing to burn, there can be no fire. Proper firebreaks, tree thinning and access roads should be enough, but chopping down entire forests is always an option, for areas where access roads and firebreaks do not provide sufficient protection. Human lives are more important than trees.
At the very least clear the trees away from houses in vulnerable areas. Every picture of Paradise, California I’ve seen to date shows the remains of giant trees right next to burned out buildings. This is madness.
We learned this lesson the hard way in Australia. Let us hope US government agencies take action before more lives are lost.
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What about the best skeptics?
In Jerry’s mind we will all achieve nirvana together on public money. Just follow his instructions and the whole world can achieve paradise (pun of irony intended, though not at all funny).
This weekend the pope gave a speech in which he condemned the rich who are feasting on what belongs to everybody.
In other words, if you are rich, what you have doesn’t belong to you.
If it doesn’t belong to you, you have no right to complain when the government takes it and uses it to buy votes from the ignorant.
That is funny, coming from one of the richest people on the planet. When is he going to give all that wealth that belongs to the poor to the poor? Never. He will continue to live in opulent luxury till he retires to more opulent luxury.
My thoughts exactly. He’s a huge hypocrite.
As Chico Marx once said regarding the Pope and birth control,
“He no play-ah dah game…he no make-ah dah rules.”
It’s apropos in this instance as well.
Well he runs a rich organization. Doubt if he eats any better than you or me. As to giving all that wealth to the poor, the poor will still be there afterwards and the Church will be broke. The problem the poor have isn’t lack of money. 50 years of the “War on Poverty” in the US proved that.
Please do not try to gloss over the fact the Pope lives a life of opulent luxury and the Catholic Church is one of, if not the, wealthiest entities on this planet.
Its shameful what the pope’s priorities are these days. So out of touch. Where does he and others on the left thing “rich” ness come from? It comes from hard work, creativity, risk-taking and building something others can use/enjoy. The pope is on the wrong side of this one
It comes from hard work, creativity, risk-taking and building something others can use/enjoy.
Don’t you know, to the left, they (the rich) “didn’t build that”.
John Paul II is spinning in his grave… he fought against communists, now one of his successors _is_ a communist.
UNEP FI
Climate Change, Investment
Recent News, San Francisco, Calif., 13th September, 2018
“400 investors launch joint Global Investor Agenda for climate action”
Article includes links.
http://www.unepfi.org/news/industries/investment/nearly-400-investors-with-32-trillion-in-assets-step-up-action-on-climate-change
And:
Global Press Notice
The Investor Agenda, San Francisco, Calif., 12 September, 2018
“Nearly 400 investors with $32 trillion in assets step up action on climate change”
http://www.theinvestoragenda.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/The-Investor-Agenda_Global-Press-
Notice.pdf About 4 pages.
Re: The Paris Agreement and climate change. article also has links. A UNEP FI partnership.
Seems this is way above Gov. Jerry Brown.
Correction. Should be,
http://www.theinvestoragenda.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/The-Investor-Agenda_Global-Press-Notice.pdf
CBS News, U.S., September 14, 2018
News Report
“Global Climate Action Summit puts stress on action”
Article includes: “The Investor Agenda”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/global-climate-action-summit-puts-stress-on-action
In 5 years even the worst believers will be sceptics 🙂
Well if the predictions of the cyclical scientists happen then we are back to the 60s & 70s type ocean cycles and resulting cold, darn cold or DFC.
We shall see shortly. Not that a prolonged cold period would change some peoples’ minds but it would change a lot.
In the 1962.3 winter in the uk the satirical magazine Private eye published an Old Moores guide to the Winter; whereby the actual temperatures could be related to ‘natural’ phenomena.
Si starting wit things like “-3C taps freeze and pipes burst” through “-9C Seals come ashore in Shetland”
All the way down to “-25C “Fires lit in British Rail waiting rooms”
British rail was the nationalized railway system and the railways still ran on coal – and every waiting room had a small coal fire which was never kit.
Scientist warned us that ‘this could be the start of a new Ice Age’.
The man does not understand skeptics. His remark is just insulting. In fact, I take it as a personal insult. He’s every bit as stupid and ignorant as he thinks I am.
It’s nothing less than divisive hate speech.
Give him a break, he has been smoking pot all his life.
Brown is a failed Catholic and was educated as a Jesuit and even attended seminary. Brown also has huge daddy issues regarding his father, who was also a disastrous Governor of California.
He seems to have sought redemption by adopting the worst of the religious aspects of the climate obsession. So he frames the climate issue not as science but instead as relgion. As if we all believe properly, we will appease the environment good he he has created.
Would it make a difference if he was a successful Catholic?
He might not have needed to go into politics as a substitute if he’d been able to succeed as a Catholic.
Jerry Brown was just following the family trade. His father, Pat Brown was also governor.
“Globull Warmening” is his RELIGION; he cannot give it up just like that. Please remember that both Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown and AlGore are failed seminarians, so they started their own religion.
It is amazing that Brown lives in such an insulated world that no one has gotten to him with any real science. He apparently feels no need to seek other knowledge, not just opinions, but real science. It must be nice to be in your own world with the confidence that the rest of the world is wrong and you are right. That does smack of being delusional. He must have all kinds of sycophants who constantly reinforce the facade that he is always right. It serves the political and financial needs of so many people for them to keep him delusional.
“It is amazing that Brown lives in such an insulated world that no one has gotten to him with any real science. He apparently feels no need to seek other knowledge ….”
He probably reads the newsletters and feeds of half a dozen green organizations, which he imagines provide him the the real lowdown on what’s going on and what’s comingn which which assuere hi the contrarians are not to be paid attention to. So do millions of others.
Yes, I do believe that Gubernor Moonbeam is a loon.
I have always believed that, and I will continue to believe it until he proves otherwise.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Meantime, I have to figure out a way to get the village government in my tiny little burg to get after the owner of some unimproved land that is awash in buckthorn and honeysuckle, both of which are invasive plants that grow like Topys, and both of which present fire hazards to the houses from the bottom of the hill up to where I live at the top. All we need is one dry winter followed by a dry summer, and hey, presto! fire hazard.
Get the village council to spray it with an arboricide.. Ans send the spray contractor’s account to the land owner…
Standard practice…
There is a side-by-side comparison of Trump and Brown in a ~12 minute Youtube video on Trump’s press briefing at the California Wildfire Help Center in Chico last week!
President Trump was a commanding figure while Brown looked like a criminal! Their body language speaks volumes!
buckthorn fruits worth a bit to supplement makers, Ive just managed to get some seed sprouted
honeysuckle? a fire hazard?
guess if theres enough of it but its not normally a firehazard unless ON the house walls.
must be an amazingly scented place when its in bloom
im loving mine front n rearof house right now in aussie spring;-)
We used to call honeysuckle “bindweed”. And you cannot get rid of the damn stuff.
We used to call honeysuckle “bindweed”. And you cannot get rid of the damn stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uCOM2hf3d8
honeysuckle & bindweed are two different things. (genetic opposites at a certain level)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYr0eNtpDHs
this one is better
pity the poor loon. What did that bird species ever do to be compared to the likes of Gov. Moonbeam?
R Shearer – I’m thinking the same thing somewhat.
If, in 5 years a current skeptic becomes a believer, he/she was indeed one of the worst skeptics.
/grin
+42
That was really brave of Moonbeam to go out such a short distance with the goalposts. Doesn’t he realize we track these things? Better to play it safe with the prognostications and set your targets far enough out that they won’t be checked. Year 2100 sounds pretty safe.
“Worst” skeptics? Wow
“Sticks and stones….”
It’s not about belief, Moonbeam, it’s about evidence.
Who needs evidence to keep the faith? Go wash your mouth out!
Budget Surpluses, Fire and Water in California: Governor Jerry Brown continues to declare that all of this year’s forest fires (including “Camp Fire,” “Woolsey,” “Hill Fire,” and “Rocky Peak Fire) have been caused by climate change. In fact, the WSJ points out that the State Of California has MISSPENT 10 times more on electric vehicles than on controlled forest fires and underbrush removal, $335 million to $30 million, in the last fiscal year.
Then, there is the matter of spending billions and billions of dollars annually on the bullet train that is expected to cost north of $100 Billion, which many knowledgeable people suspect will never be completed.
Additionally, the plethora of forest fires this year have likely put as much pollution into the atmosphere as has been reduced through emission reduction strategies in 2018. Also, the State has a $9 billion surplus this year, while spending only $30 million on forest management.
Finally, a February report by the Little Hoover Commission, the State Oversight Committee for the State of California, found that CA has “ignored the gathering underbrush and dead trees in their forests for 100 years by underfunding any systematic removal of it.” As the Committee put it, these forest fires probably nullified California’s “hard-fought carbon reductions.”
One can only wonder what would have happened if California had spent as money on forest management as they spent electric vehicles?
Yes, they refuse to take the “adaptation” route. They want to prevent the temperature rising instead.
Why use prophylactics when abortion will do?
I’m Australian so I have no idea who is responsible for forest management in the USA or California ..
But Brown says that the fire around Paradise are on Federally owned & controlled forests…
Can anyone clarify this ?
PS Here the states own all “Crown or Public Land” which is where the forests mostly are
Great question.
As I have seen it,
California is responsible for the regressive failed policies of overgrowth and refusal to clear debris and deadfall and brush.
The lie of blaming it on the Federal government is a canard only hides the fact that the Feds also allowed the same bad land use policies on much land.
It is the policiesof the greens that are killing our environment and our fellow citizens.
Most forest land in California is privately owned and legislatively cotrolled by the State government. The same problem as we have in Australia.
Sorry, Mark, not true according to official statistics available at http://forestunlimited.org/opinions/california-forest-statistics/
According to this website:
33 million acres of forest(ed) lands in California
Federal ownership is 19 million acres = 57%
State and local agencies (including land trusts) own 3%
Privately owned forest lands are 13.3 million acres = 40%
And further dividing the “privately owned” segment:
Industrial private owners are 4.7 million acres = 14%
Remainder private owned forestlands are 9 million acres = 26%
(Non-corporate private forestlands are 7.9 million acres)
The fire may or may not have started in federally owned land (I’ve heard it both ways). In either case, most of the land that actually burned is state and privately owned. (Privately owned is still regulated by the state.)
It seems to me the extreme greens got what they wanted: a forest in its “natural state” with people living in it in harmony with nature. Well, “Nature” doesn’t care about human life. Not at all. “Nature” doesn’t have “feelings”. Nature has fires. Harmonise as you can…
It is fitting that extreme greens are blaming humans for the fires (AG warming) rather than their own foolish policies. I have never met an ideologically possessed person who blames themselves for anything. Before they start planting trees to replace the burned ones, they should first be made to plant the people killed in a preventable and what would have otherwise been a manageable fire.
I am sorry, People of Paradise, for the illusions that contributed to your demise.
Thanks for the replies MarkW, Mark Smith, & Hunter…
I was before retiring a farmer from 1985-2015 on two separate farms with lots of bush around that was never cool burned..There was so much opposition and abuse of any attempt to cool burn,that I gave up.
There is still a big council sign on the road next to my second farm, that said “DON’T BURN, MULCH”….Put there by office based dudes with bloody idea…
Good post! Except please do not label CO2 as pollution.
Undergrowth thinning is not glamorous. A high speed train (to nowhere) is. Let’s put taxpayer’s money in the high speed train. Who cares about fire safety? We can always blame Trump and Global Warming and whoever disagrees with us.
,,,did they ever get that dam fixed?
Dammed if I know.
Looks like they’ve concentrated on the spillway. I haven’t bothered to read the article yet. One billion dollars and counting.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article217824370.html
The spillway was the only part that failed.
Yes, the Oroville dam spillway project is essentially complete, with only construction cleanup and replanting left. Would have been much cheaper to do preventive maintenance, of course. But priorities.
Preventative maintenance is what caused the failure. The best guess is that the initial failure of the concrete was at the exact location where a maintenance truck was parked while visual inspections were conducted. Apparently, the spillway was built to support the many pounds per square foot of pressure caused by water, not the many pounds per square inch caused by the truck tires. Seems the workers were too lazy to walk the spillway.
Welcome to California.
In government, all maintenance is a capital expenditure.
I looked for information about that initial failure caused by trucks on the spillway, but I couldn’t find anything. Any links?
It was Global Warming wot dun it.
The Camp (Paradise) Fire is in the watershed for the bad dam. Prepare for a massive amount of silt influx into Lake Oroville as soon as the rains start.
Proper forestry management also protects watersheds. Do any of the “environmentalists” at Greenpeace, etc. even understand how the environment works?
P.S. There has been a significant amount of work performed repairing the emergency spillway at Oroville Dam.
“Do any of the “environmentalists” at Greenpeace, etc. even understand how the environment works?”
I did bachelors degrees in biology and chemistry, both. I never *once*, in any class saw even one of the campus enviro types in any of these courses. Not Once. People in forestry and agriculture reported the same thing. Lots of sons and daughters of farmers, but no enviros over at that end of campus.
Maybe the problem was that Biology was too hard, farming and forestry were to much work, and the cows smelled bad.
Do any of the “environmentalists” at Greenpeace, etc. even understand how the environment works?
of course not, who needs knowledge and understanding when feelings will do.
The Oroville Dam – Background
See:
The Oroville Dam 2017 Spillway Incident – Possible Causes and Solutions
Will the Oroville Dam survive the ArkStorm?
Mono… D’oh!
It all comes down to photo ops.
Yet another 5 years ??. Straight out of the Festinger rules
Yeah, because 5-year plans always work well. 😉
Especially when they are revised every 3 years.
Disaster from global warming has been 5 years away for 30 years.
Every once in awhile Anthony does a post on failed predictions of thermo-climate disaster. Jerry Brown has just furnished another.
It won’t be five years before we understand that it has been greenie activists who have lit the fires in Californina, British Columbia and Alberta over the past several years.
We all suspect it, I’m just saying it.
Just ask Stalin.
The mostly urban environmentalists mistake what was an actively managed system for “natural”. The Indians regularly used fire to manage the environment for their own purposes, and Native Americans have been in residence since before the ecosystem settled down after the last Ice Age.
Brown is engaging in bad history as far as fires, or what the climate has historically done. Droughts are the norm, and the normal weather pattern allows for the foliage to dry out by fall. One would think he just moved there from New York.
Haven’t we been hearing that same statement from others for the past couple of decades?
He will be out of a job in less than 5 years is more his worry.
Brown will be out in a few months. The election to replace him with Gavin Newsome has already been held.
We don’t get those facts in the Aussie MSM. We do get the wildfires in CA are the new abnormal articles.
An easy enough mistake to do, as the legacy media rarely gives context. Most of my knowledge of Australian politics comes from following posts or comments on this blog.
Gawd, not another Gavin…
Gavin = Gawain = “White hawk”
LOL, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight !
Trump should be a a Gavin..
He’s 80 and less than 6 months away from 81. He looks like he’s in good health but he’ll never ride that bullet train.
This well said on BB by EmeraldAl
The funny thing is that Jerry Brown obviously either doesn’t believe what he is saying about “climate change” or has been willfully incompetent. He believes a problem will get worse yet has done nothing to prepare the state via forest management. He has been governor long enough to have mitigated the problem. His actions are opposite of his claims. Although that is also just the typical mark of a “liberal”.
What he said 👍
He is taking a retirement job as paid schill for some lobbying company posing as a sciencey policy think tank.
Of course the lobbying company is hacking for even more green policies like the ones that are failing in California.
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Christopher-Walken-Bored-Yawn-Gif.gif
Yeah, wake me in 5 years, when the Believers realize they’ve been hornswaggled and hate the Climate Liars with a passion. In 5 years, Brown’s CAGW ideology will be long-dead. Even the daisies it has pushed up will be dead. Probably frozen solid from the coming cooling.
Just wondering how effective all of the billions spent on windmills, solar panels and electric vehicles has been in changing the climate or preventing wildfires?
Oh right! Maybe we should reconsider our approach.
Another warmist prediction not based on any evidence, but fear. When the deadline passes no one will remember it.
“In Less than Five Years, Even the Worst Skeptics Will Be Believers”
Ok folks. 11/18/2023, mark this date down.
We will all get together and ram the above statement from Moonbeam back down his throat. Afterwards, the first round is on me.
I have a better suggestion as to where we can ram that statement.
I’ll make a note to bring it up in 2023 when we meet for the ceremony.
H.R., you’d first need to dislodge his head from where it is you are planning to ram that statement. Just saying.
With his head so far up his @ur momisugly$$ I wouldn’t want to try that…
I hope those unaccounted for have simply left the area and not contacted authorities.
According to Wiki the population of Paradise Ca has grown from around 8,000 in 1960 to 26,000 in 2010.
Statistics from the US Department of Agriculture show the total area of wildfire burns has dropped from
50 million acres in 1930 to around 7 million acres in 2000 due to awareness and prevention measures i.e. human intervention.
I don’t wish to undervalue the great human tragedy but nowadays there are far more lives and assets at risk than in the past in forest areas.
“I hope those unaccounted for have simply left the area and not contacted authorities.”
When you are alive and well, and do not know you are missing, why would you contact authorities?
The only real purpose in making the “1,000 missing” report is to have people from the area check the list, and call if they see their names. Officials would like to clear the list, but otherwise, the number dead is likely maxed out.
Jerry Brown will solve this problem with creative accounting.
Is he going to pay me to believe his lies? I don’t take checks, cash only!
Basically ALL the problems Kookifornia are having at the moment can be slated straight at the feet of GOVERNMENT MISMANAGEMENT.
fred250,
That is, regrettably, not the total story. Remember, the good voters of California have elected a single-party legislature, with a Governor of the same party. And the legislature and Governor are just doing that which will ensure that the single-party state continues.
the voters get the government they deserve. Any sane Californians should flee that dumpster fire of a state at their first opportunity (if they haven’t already) because things are only gonna get worse thanks to the voters choices.
Jerry Brown Eye is merely deflecting his responsibility for wildfire management to a claim that he has been victimized by those who don’t partake in the dogma of the Church of Omnipotent Greenhouse In Carbon.
Witches, in his perspective.
Of course in 5 years when his prediction doesn’t come true he won’t own up to being wrong.
of course he won’t. It’s not a prediction so much as political rhetoric. It’s already served it’s purpose and five years from now he probably won’t even remember ever saying it.
71dead, 100s missing, a town incinerated, an ecosystem trashed,
all for a political dogma…
in the land of guns…I’m surprised no-one has taken a shotgun to ‘Moonbeam’ !!
“Human lives are more important than trees. ”
I don’t agree;
without trees, Humans couldn’t exist;
without Humans, trees exist very well.
If you want to live in a forest & survive, you should live by the rules of nature, NOT by the rules of armchair eco-warriors.
At the very least, Brown & Co should be done for manslaughter, they knew what the outcome would be (enough people have told them over the years) but chose to go the ‘green way’ & put 1,000s of innocent lives at risk, they should pay dearly.
saveenergy, rightly or wrongly, opponents of the blog will quote that kind of comment as “incitement”. It is probably best to not mention anything to do with guns at all unless there is good reason.
This is why a Report button is needed. In such cases I’ve emailed Anthony in the past, but I’m too disillusioned with this site to bother now.
Sorry…Not meant as “incitement” , just an observation –
In an average month, 50 American women are shot to death by an intimate partner (usually for some trivial reason);
Americans killed by guns in 2017 = 15,590 (suicides not included);
Every day, 96 Americans are killed with guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/
And 47% of them murdered by 12.5% of the population that cannot be blamed, what is your point.
The vast majority of those killed with guns are criminals killing each other.
Gun control has never decreased violence.
On the other hand relaxing gun control has often resulted in less violence.
“Let us hope US government agencies take action before more lives are lost.” Does that include reducing the production of unwanted/unneeded CO2?
I wouldn’t have a problem with large scale mass production of zero carbon nuclear power plants, same as France did in the 1970s. Its the useless renewables I have a problem with.
I agree with the nuclear thing…. but all worthwhile inventions start off being useless. If we can get renewables to be fly we will be way better off.
I thought there was no time to lose. If we only have 12 years to save the world, better focus on known nuclear technology than take a huge gamble on the possibility renewables might work in the future.
What France did in the 1970s could be done worldwide today. I appreciate your support for nuclear, but why are your fellow travellers hesitating? What can we do to persuade them?
Nuclear as we all know has its problem, I just think the gamble is small and getting smaller, particularly for the benefit.
Simon, we’re talking about the end of the world, aren’t we? Why take ANY gamble? Sure nuclear has problems, but as the French conversion to nuclear in the 1970s demonstrated, the problems are surmountable. Nothing but a major effort to convert to nuclear can possibly deliver serious CO2 emissions cuts by the 2030 deadline.
No Eric, we are not talking about the end of the world. The world will go on. It is really about what sort of world it will be. We both know that. You think the problems will be minimal. I think you under estimate things.
Whats your evidence there would be major problems Simon? At least I can cite a successful programme, the 1970s French nuclear conversion. Its not like every country would have to make their own reactors – major nuclear companies are itching for the opportunity to deploy self contained modular reactors.
3 accidents in 50 years. Nuclear has by far the best safety record of all forms of power.
What cost? All the evidence indicates that the effects of CO2 are almost 100% beneficial.
But do all worthless inventions start off being useless too?
The first automobiles were electric. Then engineers realized how that would never fly and even today, their decision to switch is still superior to electric!
Some things are never viable considering whole system analysis!
Indeed RockyRoad, all the drawbacks of all-electric automobile from a century ago still exist with the current batch. They’re only good if all your driving is within a limited range. If you have to go long distances (particularly in an emergency situation) you are SOL with an all-electric car.
“If we can get renewables to be fly …” “If” is the operable word.
Simon us a typical climate coward.
He backs the people claiming climate is an existential crisis.
Then when confronted about his extremism simply pretends he doesn’t believe it is an existential crisis.
Ha ha. Hunter calls me a coward as he fires childish insults from behind his keyboard.
Irony is a lost art for you.
We’ll have workable fusion long before we can get renewables “to fly”.
Good. I’ll take either.
Windmills have been around since A.D. 500-900, if we haven’t gotten them to fly after 1000-1500 years, I doubt we’ll get them to fly any time soon.
Solar has been around forever (as far back a the 7th century B.C., glass was uses as a magnifier to light fires. Though solar for electric currents weren’t observed until the 19th century A.D. (I.E. two centuries ago). Again, after all this time, the kind of “breakthrough” greenies are looking for to make solar “fly” just isn’t in the cards anytime soon if ever.
The only technology proven to provide abundant “zero carbon” energy is Nuclear. And the greenies absolutely hate nuclear and actively obstruct any attempts to build new Nuclear plants (at least here in the states) and actively attempt to get existing Nuclear plants closed down.
Simon
“unneeded CO2”
Eh?
Driving a V8 down to the corner shop is producing more CO2 that we need to. I am a realist. We need to burn fossil fuels at the moment, but not just coz we can and it’s my “right”, which seems to be the attitude of some.
Actually, V8’s are quite economical these days with cylinders being shutdown and 8 speed transmissions that change up early. Mind you, I don’t view CO2 as a problem from vehicle exhaust.
Where I live it’s every person’s right to use as much fossil fuels as they want and can afford, who are “we” to dictate otherwise?
Simon is one of those people who believes that the majority have the right to determine how everyone must live.
But only so long as he’s in the majority.
When he’s not in the majority, that’s defined as a failure of democracy and is automatically invalid.
When you stop using modern transportation, hydrocarbons of any kind, stop wearing modern clothing, using aluminum anythings, or living in a concrete steel and glass abode, or exhaling, I’ll take your asserted sincerity about cutting down of CO2 emissions seriously.
Simon, you are not a realist.
Driving a V8 down to the corner shop is producing more CO2 that we need to
The plants of the Earth disagree.
I am a realist
judging from that comment, I’d say you’re a comedian. Just not a funny one.
We need to burn fossil fuels at the moment, but not just coz we can and it’s my “right”, which seems to be the attitude of some.
cheap abundant energy is more than a “right”, it’s essential for prosperity and modern civilization. Without it we’d be a lot worse off. Just ask anyone in the third world living in energy poverty about how great it is that they don’t get to burn fossil fuels.
This is Bill Clinton in reverse, HotScot. I did not exhale.
CO2 is a necessary component of the natural world. At 800 to 1,000 ppm the living world is much safer.
The human body is able to control breathing while you sleep because of CO2. You can’t live without it.
It is mostly city, county, and state agencies that need to act. Those are the lands where people build houses, >80% of wild fires are related to actions of people.
“Unwanted” or “unneeded” CO2 did exactly what with these tragic fires?
Whatever actual tole CO2 may have played, it is still s factor that is not controllable by California.
Rational scientific based land use of California land is, however, controllable by California government.
The government of California has chosen to ignore the skeptics who have pointed out that land use and land use infrastructure has been badly managed.
Perhaps the rational approach is better than the climate obsessed approach.
“The government of California has chosen to ignore the skeptics who have pointed out that land use and land use infrastructure has been badly managed.” And the “D” team ignore the science that says a warming climate will result in greater damage and loss of life from fires.
What science?
Models are not science.
Data on the other hand shows that none of the predictions of you alarmists have come true, or show any sign of ever coming true.
1) CO2 had nothing to do with this disaster.
2) CO2 is both wanted and needed.
Clearly you have a lot of sand with holes the size of your head at your home Mark.
Once again, all Simon can do is insult those who disagree with his religious pronouncements.
MarkW you big softy. Happy to hand it out but can’t take it.
Simon, are you willing to share whatever you’ve been smoking? You’re making even less sense than usual.
In Five years AMO will be negative and California’s drought will be gone
Well that’s that sorted.
Why hasn’t President Trump ordered a federal investigation into the (lack of ) forest management in California?
Probably because he’d also have to order a Federal investigation of Federal forest management policies and procedures. And the role played in both State and Federal forest management policies by NGOs.
Hmmm, maybe that wouldn’t be a good idea.
Arrrgh – “good” should be “bad”.
The “camp fire” burned the community of Paradise.
This was/is an urban forest – not a National Forest.
Yes it started where power lines and N. F. co-exist, if Cliff Mass’ analysis was correct.
Skeptics of cAGW would like to see funds directed toward public lands stewardship, rather than wasted on subsidies for fancy cars for the well-off, subsidies to investors for a 2nd and 3rd layer of unreliable electricity production.
For investors to make money from removing trees and chipping, the companies that make that type of equipment would have to get a fancy new name, like maybe Tesla.
“Why hasn’t President Trump ordered a federal investigation into the (lack of ) forest management in California?”
Coz he only cares about trees on gold courses……
“Why hasn’t President Trump ordered a federal investigation into the (lack of ) forest management in California?”
Coz he only cares about trees on golf courses……
In considerably less than 5 years, Doomsday Brown will need another income to replace his present one. Is this just a PR release to help him vie for future power and income?
His net worth is reported to be $4 million and he has government pensions. He’s not rich, but he shouldn’t be wanting.
Governor Brown, already has a job as a paid spokesman for some phony science lobbying group.
So he refers to people as “Believers”. Isn’t that what we call those who engage in religious ideas? Perhaps a Freudian slip?
Tom in Florida And whomever/whoever thought? Moonbeam Eddy Gerry/Jerry Brown has the similar self belief as the late Jimmy kool-aid Jones of 1978. People worshiping other people and expending great energy to make oneself the point of worship. Watermelon religious Cult.
“admitted that forest management might be playing a part in California’s wildfires.” Well Mr. Brown, Mother Nature is telling you your forest management sucks.