Claim: Antifa’s Extremism is Justified by the Climate Change Emergency

Antifa Protestors
“We’re here to talk about climate change”. Antifa Protestors, by Old White Truck from USA (Patriot Prayer vs Antifa protests. Photo 3 of 14) [CC BY-SA 2.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Nick Shaw – Mark Bray, a Lecturer at Dartmouth University, thinks it is wrong to caricature far left groups like Antifa as just another group of extremists, because only the far left groups can save the planet from climate change, by abolishing capitalism.

How Capitalism Stokes the Far Right and Climate Catastrophe

BY Mark Bray, Truthout
PUBLISHED October 30, 2018

We are living in ominous times. Every week something new: white supremacist murders in Kentucky and Pittsburgh; the continued rise of the far right in Europe; Trump’s attack on transgender rights; the election of aspiring tyrant Jair Bolsonaro to the Brazilian presidency; the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report that climate catastrophe is likely only about 20 years away. What’s next?

At a time when we should be uniting globally to reorganize our way of life to stave off climate disaster, many parts of the world are instead veering to the right, rejecting internationalism and demonizing marginalized communities. How did we get here? How can we escape annihilation?

More fundamentally, fascist and far right forces promote notions of ultra-nationalism and xenophobia that block the essential task of putting the interests of the planet and all of its inhabitants over those of any single group. Nationalism has fueled not only opposition to the European Union but also a rejection of the Paris Agreement and widespread climate denial among European far right parties like UKIP, Front National and the Sweden Democrats. The threat of the climate catastrophe is far more imminent and egregious in the global south, and white supremacy clearly discourages caring about most of the world. There are “ecofascists” who coopt the concept of bio-regionalism to advance their genocidal politics, but their views do not have significant sway in actual far-right policy and their “environmental” solution is not worthy of reasoned engagement.

Centrist discourse has abstracted white supremacy and anti-Semitism into “hate,” depoliticized fascism and antifascism by caricaturizing them as mirror images of “extremism,” and ignored what should be one of the most important news stories: the fairly imminent destruction of the planet.

Debates about reformism vs. revolutionism have waged for generations on the left. But now we are on a deadline. Lesser-evilism among capitalist politicians may have some rationale when spending five minutes casting a ballot on Election Day, but we don’t have time for it to be a guiding strategical outlook. We need to organize movements to build popular power and shut down the industries that threaten our existence.

Fascism is ascendant. The world is on fire. This is no time to be patient. If we don’t abolish capitalism, capitalism will abolish us.

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One gets the impression Mark is more an advocate of urgent revolution than gentle political debate. Sadly Mark was born about a hundred years too late to be a proper communist revolutionary. At the very least Mark will have to think of something more inspiring than a bunch of tired rehashed climate disaster claims. Global warming consistently rates last on people’s lists of priorities, somewhere behind watching reruns of Gilligan’s Island.

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November 5, 2018 5:59 am

“Claim: Antifa’s Extremism is Justified by the Climate Change Emergency”

Antifa are just anarchists looking for a cause so they can start a fight. If it wasn’t for the current state of mainstream pronouncement that climate issues are the dominant issue facing the planet, they would be grasping at any one of a dozen other major issues. They are disenfranchised economically because many of them won’t work and have dropped out of school, or are hooligans in the education system. Antifa just wants to argue and fight, mostly because they are all a bunch of youngster thugs that haven’t learned enough of how the real world works.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 6:14 am

If you don’t have a war, start one. and many of these lil biatches are upper middle class “Rebels without a Cause” who at the end of their busy days of sign carrying and rock throwing go home to their parents basement and pick up their game controllers to fine tune their aggression.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bill Powers
November 5, 2018 11:08 am

How can you tell a radical Extremist from a left thinking person?
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Just look at these extremist operatives.
They are afraid to show their faces for who they really are.

Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 6:22 am

Antifa are mostly Marxists, not anarchists. While they do have a strong nihilist tendency, that is true for orthodox Marxists as well as anarchists.

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 5, 2018 7:02 am

“Mark Bray is a historian of human rights, terrorism, and political radicalism in Modern Europe. He completed his PhD in Modern European and Women’s and Gender History at Rutgers University in 2016, and is currently finishing his manuscript “The Anarchist Inquisition: Terrorism and the Ethics of Modernity in Spain, 1893-1909.” ”

In other words Mark Bray is a specialist in leftard grouptalk and hopes to breed widely and often with leftard females using his pick up lines gained via his PhD studies.

Reply to  Komrade Kuma
November 5, 2018 7:37 am

While he may be interested in having relations with lots of young lady’s, I doubt he wants to breed. Too much responsibility.

Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2018 8:39 am

You presume he would hang around anyway under such circumstances……

Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2018 8:43 am

If he has a paycheck, the government will find him.

Bemused Bill
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2018 2:43 pm

Hi Mark, you overlook the obvious fact that any young woman interested in Nazi Goofy, would almost certainly have it aborted anyway should she get preggers.

John the Econ
Reply to  Komrade Kuma
November 5, 2018 12:52 pm

Just another paid cog of the grievance industrial complex.

Reply to  Tom Halla
November 5, 2018 7:57 am

As far as I am aware the two are quite similar. Both live off their parents or by crime and absolutely refuse to build or create anything themselves while either destroying or appropriating the work of others. That’s why they trend so reliably toward violence. Others have stuff they want!
One of my favourite songs for a laugh is The Bobby Fuller Four’s “I Fought the Law”. The line says, ” I needed money ’cause I had none”. Always makes me laugh!
I didn’t know it would become the basis of a political philosophy.

Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 9:02 am

Alarmingly, in the big-L Left-dominated cities, the chorus is sounding more and more like “I fought the Law and They told the Law to let me win.”

Reply to  Tom Halla
November 5, 2018 1:53 pm

Fascism and Marxism are very similar in that both point to control by an elite government. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness don’t matter to them.

AntiFa is as Fascist as any other totalitarian organization.

Reply to  Philo
November 6, 2018 6:31 am

Very true. The founder of Fascism, Mussolini, was an avid Marxist. He realized that dividing people by class didn’t work in wartime. They would fight for their country without any allegiance to class. So, he envisioned Fascism as an improved version of Marxism~ National socialism. Hitler followed his thinking and founded the national socialist german workers party. Antifa are fascists, just like the brown and black shirts that came before them, and they are too stupid to realize the irony.

Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 7:02 am

Advertising 101

The excessive and repeated use of extreme claims results in a tone deafness in your target audience. Example from the auto industry of the use of the phrase “introducing the all-new (insert brand name here)”. How would it be economically feasible to come out with an all-new car every year? We know it’s a ridiculous claim, so we tune it out. The same goes for alarmists’ ever increasingly shrill warnings about the coming cataclysm. Just another yawner.

John Endicott
Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 7:13 am

They are disenfranchised economically because many of them won’t work and have dropped out of school, or are hooligans in the education system.

even scarier, some of them are professors in the education system.

Reply to  John Endicott
November 5, 2018 7:44 am

Lol…yes indeed. I would say the professors are the Marxists, and Antifa are the anarchists because they don’t even really understand the essence of Marxism. From what I have see of the Antifa groups is that they are just thugs looking for a fight about anything and following their own gang. Most of them couldn’t make a rational discussion about capitalism, fascism or marxism. Or if they did, it would be some invention in their own mind or what they thought their Marxist professor taught them.

Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 8:04 am

I always bristle a bit at left-wing street thugs being called anarchists. Their tactics are fascist, but their ideology is incoherent.

As Bill and Tom point out, they are not anarchists, they are bored upper-middle class white kids who like to break things. The mantel of protest helps them feel relevant, but they don’t have enough of a true political sense to be labelled anything particular.

Reply to  tim maguire
November 5, 2018 11:58 am

If anything, anarchism is right of libertarianism. Libertarian = as little government as we can get away with, Anarchy = not even that

Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 12:05 pm

“Antifa are just anarchists looking for a cause so they can start a fight.”

Bingo! For years, in Portland, the anarchists showed up at almost every public event with hidden faces to riot, disrupt, beat people up, break windows, burn cars, etc.. Same tactics, same people but now they call themselves Antifa.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Earthling2
November 5, 2018 1:44 pm

And their primary issue, in all practical forms, amounts to modern Eugenics on steroids.

November 5, 2018 6:01 am

It sounds like ‘the ends justify the means’. We know how that worked out in France during the Reign of Terror.

The end does not justify the means. The American Revolution was before the French Revolution. The French had the American example and knew that the Americans didn’t need the guillotine.

Reply to  commieBob
November 5, 2018 12:17 pm

The American Revolution was the closest thing in human history to a [i]conservative[/i] revolution. The colonies had enjoyed over a century of more-or-less self-governance, and those institutions stayed in place after independance, albeit in rebranded forms. It was about preserving the status quo against the rising interference of the Mother Country’s aggressively mercantile policies.

Whereas the French Revolution was all about tearing down the old order, burning the remains to the ground, then naively assuming a new, more egalitarian order would rise from the ashes. But people who are good at destroying the old are almost never good at creating the new.

Reply to  drednicolson
November 5, 2018 4:49 pm

Shoot, wrong brackets. I’m starting to miss the edit feature. 😐

Joel Snider
Reply to  commieBob
November 5, 2018 2:14 pm

Considering we’re talking about nihilistic gutter-punks, I think the means justify the means.

‘Marxism’, ‘Climate Change’, ‘Social Justice’ – are excuses, not reasons.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  commieBob
November 5, 2018 6:07 pm

The gallows worked too.

November 5, 2018 6:04 am

Democrats have become the party of far left radicals….that’s their base now

Reply to  Latitude
November 5, 2018 7:38 am

Most of these guys consider socialists to be right wing.

Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2018 8:00 am

I think that’s bang on. The Left is actually the modern establishment. Politically the revolutionaries are now the right. The |Leftist experiment of the last 50 years has proven itself a failure.

Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 4:57 pm

They like to pretend that the 70s never ended and that they’re still sticking it to the Man, despite for all intents and purposes becoming the Man.

The Left has more projections than a world atlas in a map store.

Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 7:10 pm

I want to pen an article, beginning with, “This country (I am in the U. S. of A., BTW) has two major political parties. One is left wing, believes a little more government never hurt anyone cuz we’re just going to pay for it with imaginary money anyway, anybody can dress up as any gender they want if they just make noise about it long enough, there are no principles except for winning, and abortion is a “Right”. The Democrats run way left of that.” If you think I’m being facetious, just look at the voting records of the clowns that get elected as “conservatives” once they get to the The Swamp. And this is why I say, Trump never had a chance when it comes to draining the swamp. I haven’t seen the sewage level in D.C. drop by so much as a millimeter.

Jon Salmi
Reply to  Latitude
November 5, 2018 9:46 am

You are right Laatitude, the party of Waters, Pelosi, et al now has a base of under-educated, bored (thus violent) upper-middle-class white kids. However, these children take their orders from thoroughly Marxist professors. These kids are willing to tear down statues, but seem unwilling to put in the necessary study to be of benefit to society some day.

spalding craft
November 5, 2018 6:05 am

Why does this foolishness deserve a post?

Aren’t there some things we can just ignore?

Kevin Kilty
Reply to  spalding craft
November 5, 2018 6:26 am

There is no need to dwell on such fools excessively, but I think it wise to never ignore them.

John Endicott
Reply to  spalding craft
November 5, 2018 7:15 am

Why does this foolishness deserve a post?

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”

“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”

Reply to  spalding craft
November 5, 2018 8:04 am

A-holes like this are in front of kids everyday in every university in the Western world. I don’t think we should ignore that at all. I think university education needs to be reformed. On line lectures from the very best available professors would put most of these jerks out on the street and provide kids with a much better education at much lower cost.

Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 8:05 am

And I wouldn’t worry about these guys being out on the street. They’re inevitably all mouth and no action.

Reply to  john
November 6, 2018 3:24 am

report on abc aus radio this afternoon stated surveys found 30% of the 35? and under young aussies and americans think democracy isnt any good and other??? means of govt are preferable.
they didnt say, but I bet their samples were the uni students not kids in the real working world

Tom Gelsthorpe
November 5, 2018 6:07 am

This is no time to be patient. Now is the time to go berserk over a grab bag of random, apocalyptic fears. Because we know from studying history that berserk, fearful people always make the best leaders and do the most good. Hypochondriacs of the world, unite! Rouse yourself from those night sweats! Run out into the streets and dismantle everything!

November 5, 2018 6:07 am

The derangement of the CAGW cult continues to rise.

Ric Haldane
November 5, 2018 6:20 am

Mark Bray is the author of ” Antifa The Anti- Fascist Handbook “.

Buck wheaton
November 5, 2018 6:20 am

No matter what, the remedy always converges on the socialist utopia as the solution.

November 5, 2018 6:24 am

So, this is Adam Savage’s famous quip realized: “I (Antifa) reject your reality and substitute my own.” Death to the infidels, says Antifa!

November 5, 2018 6:24 am

it is difficult to keep interest in screeds like Mark Bray’s because of the persistent use of over-the-top hysterical rhetoric.

I have been meditating on some wisdom imparted by Dennis Prager: “I prefer clarity over agreement”. Normal people cannot agree with Mark Bray because he is insane and what he says is not acceptable in polite society. Furthermore, it is quite clear that Bray doesn’t even want to have clarity – rather he prefers magic words, inflammatory rhetoric and mischaracterizations.

I understand the need to stand-out in a crowd and to be heard over the noise, but this variety of noise is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard. It isn’t enough to try to ignore it, but to actually flee the room where it is being generated.

steve case
November 5, 2018 6:25 am

Latitude November 5, 2018 at 6:04 am
Democrats have become the party of far left radicals….that’s their base now

Yes, and I’ve seen at least one political ad from the Republican side that pointing that out. And I’ve only seen it once or twice. That’s not enough.

I don’t know for sure who funds antifa or the caravan but I can guess.

Maxine Waters says to publicly get in Republican faces, Nancy Pelosi wishes for an uprising, and Hillary Clinton says not to be civil anymore.

Tomorrow morning will give us some perspective on how all this ugliness from the Democrats is working.

Doug Huffman
November 5, 2018 6:27 am

Precept: The name is not the thing. Anti-fa = Anti-First Amendment.

Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and guns and The Truth.

Ivor Ward
November 5, 2018 6:32 am

We need more …isms. Evilism was a good one but surely he can be more inventive than that. Only thirteen …isms in those two paragraphs. Must try harder.

November 5, 2018 6:32 am

But, but, the issue of “climate change” was never political. Right? Right?
Do I really need to put a sarc tag and n this?

John W. Garrett
November 5, 2018 6:33 am

Mr. Bray is apparently affiliated with Dartmouth College (Hanover, N.H., USA), a former semi-reputable institution of higher learning misidentified as “Dartmouth University” in this guest essay.

November 5, 2018 6:42 am

Sophistry is the hallmark of the blinkered left.
Once you already have the required answer, the argument can be worked backward to fit.

Stephen Wilde
November 5, 2018 7:00 am

This sort of hysterical projection by the left against anyone fractionally to the right of their own extreme viewpoint is becoming worrisome not least because it seems to be shared by much of the mainstream media.
Trump tells it as he sees it but his rhetoric is far exceeded in bile and aggression from those who oppose him.
I find him a very unpleasant character but he does seem to get the basic diagnoses right.

John Endicott
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
November 5, 2018 7:20 am

Yeah, it’s funny. The left go on and on about how terrible Trump’s rhetoric is, while totally failing to see that the rhetoric coming from their side makes Trump’s look downright polite and nice in contrast.

steve case
Reply to  John Endicott
November 5, 2018 7:50 am

“John Endicott November 5, 2018 at 7:20 am
Yeah, it’s funny. The left go on and on about how terrible Trump’s rhetoric is, while totally failing to see that the rhetoric coming from their side makes Trump’s look downright polite and nice in contrast.”

Hillary said she’s done being civil.

Reply to  steve case
November 5, 2018 8:10 am

She should go for something different. Maybe she could try honesty!

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 11:27 am

That would be like a vampire chugging holy water. Spectacular incandescence.

John Endicott
Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 12:03 pm

D.J., that is a very insulting comparison. You owe vampires an apology 😉

Reply to  john
November 5, 2018 12:37 pm

More akin to a gorgon looking in the mirror, I’d say.

November 5, 2018 7:00 am

Antifa are Ecofascists.

Bryan A
Reply to  J.H.
November 5, 2018 12:08 pm

So that is why they dress up like Ji Ha Dists

November 5, 2018 7:02 am

It occurs to me that Mark “Bray” is a pretty good name for the author such inflammatory nonsense.

November 5, 2018 7:04 am

Sadly it would be nice to say “get a life ” and “get a job” but these are the dim and uneducated and they are competing with the developing world for employment whilst they want a millionaires lifestyle and contribute nothing… it’s not surprising they don’t want cheap energy to help developing nations it will just make them more obviously worthless… They promote leftist PC ideas that we are all “equal” when they belong to the lower 60% of smarts… if you can’t compete tear it down… In a previous epoch these people left school at 16 years and worked in factories or performed work that did not require much by way of education. Now they are told they can be anything and are held in school until 21 years getting meaningless degrees that don’t lead to employment because there is no substance to a BA in Premier League Soccer!!!

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Pixie
November 5, 2018 10:22 am

“In a previous epoch these people left school at 16 years and worked in factories or performed work that did not require much by way of education.”

In that previous epoch, if your finished high school you had more practical and applicable knowledge of history and the three Rs (i.e., Reading, Writing & Arithmatic) than you can get from most 4-year college degrees today. The dumbing-down of our public education system, the subsequent lowering of college standards and the emphasis on useless fields of study have made most graduates totally unprepared for today’s work place. I’m not sure that even a return to the local 2-year technical college systems of past would work today with the short attention spans and the almost total lack of interpersonal skills trained into our kids today by their addiction to social media. I find it interesting that the Silicon Valley elite recognize the problems they cause and send their kids to private schools that don’t use computers in the classroom. see here

Mark Pawelek
November 5, 2018 7:18 am

Lecturers and their hypotheses, where would the insane be without them?

I notice the left in general live in a fantasy land where projection and hypothesis rule. They project their fears onto people who aren’t them. They project imaginary problems onto the world. Consequently, they hypothesize solutions to things which aren’t problems.

If they’d only give me evidence, I might listen to them.

November 5, 2018 7:20 am

It enrages me when neo Nazi’s are labelled “far right” by the left, the very source of Nazism.

I’m as far right as one can get in that I support the UK Libertarian party and their values of peaceful political discourse to enable a small government devoted to defence of our shores and maintaining the laws of the land. The support low taxes, free speech and free trade amongst other right wing ideals of encouraging people to stand on their own two feet by ensuring engaging in profitable trade is a simple matter.

Antifa and Nazism are one and the same thing; the movement of far left minority groups to impose their will on the will of the democratic majority by force if necessary, and usually necessarily, to fulfil their naive objective of equality, by force.

Capitalism, or better still, free trade is the single most liberating political movement ever found by mankind. Indeed it’s the very mechanism man adopted from the moment he realised he could trade skills, for the skills of another and enter into an equitable and profitable trading relationship which has endured. Matt Ridley’s book ‘The Rational Optimist’ refers.

Catastrophic Climate change is like Fusion power, always 20 (or less) years down the road. In 40 years no catastrophic climate events have come to pass so the committed climate alarmists who are raking in $£Billions feel the need to turn up the temperature under the debate. Their methods are many and varied but seem to include covert rabble rousing and violence.

This behaviour exemplifies the left whilst we genuine right wingers do what we usually do and attempt to get on with peacefully exercising our right to free trade.

I can’t recall the last time, if ever, I saw a street demonstration for right wing rights. This is the preserve of the left; to intimidate, bully and coerce the rest of society to join them goose stepping towards a ‘better future’. Climate change is just another mechanism to them.

Reply to  HotScot
November 6, 2018 1:07 am

I am old enough to remember the stories of the “Black Shirts” in Europe. They were a lot like Antifa, and Antifa even wears the obligatory black.

Reply to  HotScot
November 6, 2018 7:07 am

I often judge a persons left-ness vs. right-ness by how much they insist on imposing their world view on those around them. It’s not 100% foolproof, in the face of extreme apathy (SWIDT?), for example.

Gary Pearse
November 5, 2018 7:22 am

OMG. Think of the children… whose parents sent them to Dartmouth College for this kind of subversion. So the fight has a 20yr deadline. Sigh! Lip service is the real reason behind the failure of the Totes. All these designer-brain ‘intellectuals pour out this screed which actually wakens the populace up to the horrid prescription they hsve for our lives.

Fortunately, ‘we oughta do something’ is all they’ve got personally. But make no mistake this ineffectual fellow on borrowed wit is making a call to arms to goons. Desperate, self aggrandizing in a telling way, but dangerous. The meme climate change is dead and all this shrieking is a symptom. Do nothing and we are going to finally lay this dodo to rest.

John Endicott
November 5, 2018 7:27 am

We need to organize movements to build popular power and shut down the industries that threaten our existence.

what he really means is shut down the industries that have made modern society possible and that make it possible for him to spout such nonsense from the comfort of his mother’s basement instead of working long days toiling in the fields just to sustain his miserable life for another day of hard labor.

John Endicott
November 5, 2018 7:32 am

More fundamentally, fascist and far right forces

Mr Bray needs to learn some history. fascism arose from the left, not the right. The further to the left one goes, the more government is seen as the answer, the further to the right one goes, the more individual freedom/less government is seen as the answer. Fascism like it’s cousins socialism and communism, is about government control, it is a extreme left ideology.

Reply to  John Endicott
November 5, 2018 8:09 am

“fascism arose from the left” yet “Antifa The Anti- Fascist Handbook” the MSM never calls them out on being what they protest.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  John Endicott
November 5, 2018 6:07 pm


Freedom and Fairness are not the same thing.

To be Fair you need to define what is fair. Then you need to make rules. Then to enforce the rules you need control.

All this Fairness sounds rational until you step out of the zone and say you want to do something else. You want to be Free to do whatever you want. You don’t want rules restricting what you can and can’t do and you certainly don’t want some control method physically stopping you.

Take Fairness to it’s logical conclusion and everyone gets 1/nth of everything and enforcers ensure you don’t even think of asking for something different. You all dress the same (fashion fairness), all eat the same (food fairness) and live in the same sized habitats (housing fairness). This is where Big Government ends if taken to it’s logical conclusion.

Take Freedom to it’s logical conclusion and you actually get Anarchy, where there are zero rules or social understandings, which is the irony that most so called Anachists miss – Anarchy is the ultimate Small government and the sort of thing these sorts of rioting to avoid.

Problem with Anarchy is humans like sharing, even if it is within their own small social circle. The moment a single pair make a single social agreement a ‘rule’ has been made and anarchy ends. Society exists somewhere in the middle in a balance between people wanting to do their own thing and the social agreements they are willing or needing to make with their peers.

The other point to make about the Left is that while they may believe they are making the world a ‘Fairer’ and hence ‘Better’ place, they also cast themselves in the group that helps define and enforce the rules. They know best after all.

November 5, 2018 7:35 am

Socialism is a lot like unionism.
The only people who benefit from it, are those that run it.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2018 6:52 pm

Unions are a bit of a paradox.

If you have poor working conditions in a union environment then clearly the union isn’t doing a good job for it’s members. So why join it?

If you have great working conditions then why do you need a union?

Society is rarely a binary good/bad problem with binary good/bad answers, but I put to you that Capitalism is probably a better force for improving working conditions. The core of Capitalism is basically ‘I want more for me’ which is only a bad thing if you existing in a close equation (ie more for me equals less for you).

The best long term method of getting more for you is to better yourself. You better yourself and you become worth more. Better yourself as an employee and you can force your employer to offer you more in order to retain your better work. They hit their deadlines on time and get better profits (win) and you either work in a nicer office (win), take home more pay (win) or both (win).

The problems of course are that people who are unable or unwilling to make themselves ‘better’ can get left behind, which raises the moral question of when does it stop being ‘well just work harder’ and ‘these people are being unfairly disadvantaged’. Open question. Life isn’t good/bad.

John Endicott
Reply to  Craig from Oz
November 6, 2018 6:06 am

Unions are of temporary benefit.

When working conditions are poor, joining together into a union in order to force improvements to those conditions makes sense. Once working conditions are no-longer poor, unions have outlived their usefulness. Unfortunately the union, once it has gotten a taste of power, has no desire to end once the conditions that cause it to form are taken care of. Power corrupts afterall.

November 5, 2018 7:57 am

Capitalism is based on the simple philosophy that no individual or entity can initiate force against the will of another.

Socialism is based upon the premise that governments MUST initiate force against the will of their citizens, backed by the barrel of a gun.

That’s why Socialist regimes killed over 100 million of their citizens in the 20th century.

Capitalism raised the standards of living, incomes and longevity for billions of people over the past 200+ years.

Socialism will always fail as its philosophical premise is evil.

BTW, the acronym “NAZI” means “National Socialist Party”…

November 5, 2018 7:59 am

The claims just get wilder and wilder.

Walt D.
November 5, 2018 8:09 am

Is this a spoof?
Dictionary definition.
Verb: The sound made by an ass or donkey.
donkey = Democrat?

M__ S__
November 5, 2018 8:12 am

The US is overly tolerant of violent behavior, no matter which poor excuse is used. As long as the behavior is tolerated without significant consequence, it will only continue to grow.

But of course, such things do not grow without bound. However the reaction could be as bad as the driving behavior if it isn’t arrested early enough.

November 5, 2018 8:14 am

Antifa promotes fascism.

November 5, 2018 8:16 am

“If we don’t abolish capitalism, capitalism will abolish us. “

Well, at least we know that Mark Bray is not actually worried about the Climate — it’s politics all the way down.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 5, 2018 9:12 am

It’s never been about the climate, but always about destroying capitalism. Bray can’t stand the fact that people have individual freedom.

Reply to  Jimmy
November 5, 2018 11:08 am

He can’t stand that other people have individual freedom.
As for himself, he resents that his actions are limited by the amount of money he has, so he wants government to give him some of ours so that his freedom will no longer be limited.

November 5, 2018 8:18 am

Fascism is joined with the right wing? Since when? And how come there is only a far right and apparently no such thing as a far left? All this idiot is demonstrating is there are too many people lacking the proper intellectual capacity going to college these days. Judge Smails was right when he told Spaulding the world needs ditch diggers too.

November 5, 2018 8:34 am

Another case of ideological possession.

November 5, 2018 10:09 am

Seems to me that the “Antifa” is simply a modern manifestation of Al Capp’s SWINE, Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything.

November 5, 2018 10:11 am

The abolishment of Capitalism has always worked well, wherever it was tried. Which model for a new economy will Antifa latch on to? I am sure this group will succeed in growing their own crops and generating electricity somehow. Their banners and rhetoric have equipped them well for the new world order.

Joel Snider
November 5, 2018 10:15 am

ANTIFA’s extremism is nothing more than the muscle of the progressive movement – they are nihilistic gutter-punks acting out with the blessings of their local government – can you say ‘brownshirts’?

They actually have the nerve to call themselves ‘anti-fascist’ – and you could not get a more perfect example of the progressive left embodying what they claim they are against.

Reasonable Skeptic
November 5, 2018 10:16 am

Two comments:
1) Climate is considered the average of a 30 year period and change is so slow it is hardly detectable, yet we are doomed in 20 years. I guess we should expect a crap load of change.

2) What does climate change have to do with how voters political views are changing? Does putting a tick in one box or another really cause climate change?

John Endicott
Reply to  Reasonable Skeptic
November 6, 2018 6:00 am

“climate change” is entirely political and has nothing to do with climate or changes to climate. Like much words used by the left (progressive has nothing to do with progress, social justice has nothing to do with justice) the words as they use them don’t mean what the dictionary definition would lead you to think they mean. They’re just the modern day equivalent of orwell’s double-think.

November 5, 2018 10:52 am

“many parts of the world are instead veering to the right, rejecting internationalism and demonizing marginalized communities.”

I believe he misspelled “communism”.

michael hart
November 5, 2018 12:29 pm

One gets the impression Mark is more an advocate of urgent revolution than gentle political debate.

Or, less politely, his article is a prime example of raving-commie word salad.

November 5, 2018 12:25 pm

someone wants a civil war.

they will not like it, nor the results of it. the survivors of it, that is.

one would hope they were more careful what they ask for.

Steve O
November 5, 2018 1:23 pm

I can play at this game.

Socialism has killed 100 million people. Whatever level of violence is required to oppose Socialism, it is easily justified.

November 5, 2018 1:35 pm

Destroy capitalism and all the nice things we have disappear. We will then have energy shortages, food shortages, rampant disease, and more. Nice future they want, too bad they won’t realize this until too late.

November 5, 2018 1:42 pm

I’ve heard it all now: violence in the streets will combat climate change.

He’s being unintentionally ironic when he says “fascism is ascendant” because he is perfectly describing Antifa, which is fascist to the core.

November 5, 2018 2:08 pm

The photo shows clearly that the protesters are themselves the greater ‘Climate Disaster’ in terms of mental evolution.

November 5, 2018 2:55 pm

Why doesn’t Bray go and live in Nicaragua where he will find like-minded individuals and enjoy the fruits of an alternative to capitalism.

Reply to  StephenP
November 5, 2018 7:13 pm

Or Venezuela? Oh, wait. They’re almost on the verge of collapse, as an inevitable result of decades of socialist misrule. He wouldn’t want to go somewhere that disproved his pet theories, would he?

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
November 5, 2018 2:58 pm

Attended an interesting talk by retired US general and former SACEUR on “21st Century Warfare”. In the Q&A section he was asked to rank the threats facing us. His response:

#1 Our budget and deficit problems.
#2 Russia
#3 China
#4 everything else

November 5, 2018 7:12 pm

He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Far from being far right, fascists are somewhere between socialists and communists. Hitler’s NAZI party was the socialist party of Germany.

E J Zuiderwijk
November 6, 2018 4:24 am

Funny world it is. Antifas: never had a productive day in their life. Living of handouts, which are financed by the despised capitalist system.

Tom Abbott
November 6, 2018 8:00 am

From the article: “If we don’t abolish capitalism, capitalism will abolish us.”

Presumably, the reason capitalism (Free Enterprise) will abolish the people of Earth is because capitalism is powered by fossil fuels which produce CO2 that goes into the atmosphere where it will cause catastrophic changes, according to the Alarmists.

But there is no need to destroy capitalism to reduce CO2. All we have to do is substitute nuclear powerplants for fossil-fuel-using powerplants and since nuclear powerplants don’t inject CO2 into the atmosphere, we can solve your “excess” CO2 problem while still being able to provide sufficient electrical power for society’s needs.

That’s one problem with radical Leftists: They always want to tear things down as their solution to a problem.

There’s no need to tear things down. All we need to do is look at things from a little different perspective.

Walt D.
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 6, 2018 9:15 am

ANTIFA = Absolutely No Toilet-Paper in Future America

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