What is the Meaningful 97% in the Climate Debate?

Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball

For a brief period, the New York Times added a column to their best-seller book list. It identified the percentage of people who finished reading the book. As I recall, the outright winner for lowest percentage was Umberto Eco’s Name of the Rose with only 6%. It is an excellent and fascinating book if you understand the Catholic church, its theological disputes, know much about medieval mythology, understand Catholic religious orders, and are familiar with the history of Italy in the Middle Ages. As one reviewer wrote, “I won’t lie to you. It is absolutely a slog at times.” This phrase struck me because it is exactly what a lawyer told me after reading my book “The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science.”

I told him it was a slog to research because it required reading all the Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a task that few, certainly fewer than 6%, ever achieve, including most of the people involved with the production. This is the tragedy. There are so many people with such strong, definitive views, including among skeptics and the general science community who have never read the Reports at all. The challenge is made more difficult by the deliberate attempt to separate truth and reality from propaganda and the political agenda.

In media interviews or discussions with the public, the most frequent opening challenge is; “But don’t 97% of scientists agree?” It is usually said obliquely to imply that you know a lot, and I don’t understand, but I assume you are wrong because you are in the minority. I don’t attempt to refute the statistics. Instead, I explain the difference in definitions between science and society. Then I point out that the critical 97% figure is that at least 97% of scientists have never read the claims of the IPCC Reports. How many people reading this article have read all the IPCC Reports, or even just one of them? If you have, it is probably the deliberately deceptive Summary for Policymakers (SPM). Even fewer will have read the Report of Working Group I: The Physical Science Basis. Naively, people, especially other scientists, assume scientists would not falsify, mislead, misrepresent, or withhold information. It is worse, because the IPCC deliberately created the false claim of consensus.

I wrote earlier about the problem of communications between groups and the general public because of the different definition of terms. Among the most damaging, especially in the public debate, is the word consensus. Exploitation of the confusion was deliberate. On 22 December 2004, RealClimate, the website created to manipulate the global warming story, provided this insight;

We’ve used the term “consensus” here a bit recently without ever really defining what we mean by it. In normal practice, there is no great need to define it – no science depends on it. But it’s useful to record the core that most scientists agree on, for public presentation. The consensus that exists is that of the IPCC reports, in particular the working group I report (there are three WG’s. By “IPCC”, people tend to mean WG I).

In other words, it is what the creators of the Reports consider a consensus. This is classic groupthink on display. One characteristic of which says they have,

“…a culture of uniformity where individuals censor themselves and others so that the facade of group unanimity is maintained.”

The source of the 97% claim in the public arena came from John Cook et al., and was published in 2013 in Environmental Research Letters. It was titled “Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature.” I acknowledge to people some of the brilliant dissections of this claim, such as Lord Monckton’s comment, “0.3% consensus, not 97.1%.” If I have time, I explain how the plan to exploit the idea of consensus was developed by the same people and corrupted science exposed in the emails leaked from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in November 2009.

Harvard graduate, medical doctor, and world-famous science fiction writer, Michael Crichton provides an excellent riposte.

“I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.”

The attempt to deceive and divert was built into the structure, format, and procedures of the IPCC. Few people know that a major part of the deception is to identify all the problems with the science but only identify them in the Report of Working Group I: The Physical Science Basis. They know most won’t read or understand it and can easily marginalize the few who do. In 2012 I created a list of several of these acknowledgments, but only one is sufficient here to destroy the certainty of their claims about future climates. Section 14.2.2. of the Scientific Section of Third IPCC Assessment Report, (2001) titled “Predictability in a Chaotic System” says:

“The climate system is particularly challenging since it is known that components in the system are inherently chaotic; there are feedbacks that could potentially switch sign, and there are central processes that affect the system in a complicated, non-linear manner. These complex, chaotic, non-linear dynamics are an inherent aspect of the climate system.”

“In sum, a strategy must recognise what is possible. In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible” (My emphasis).

This is not reported in the Summary for Policymakers (SPM) that is deliberately different. David Wojick, an IPCC expert reviewer, explained,

“What is systematically omitted from the SPM are precisely the uncertainties and positive counter evidence that might negate the human interference theory. Instead of assessing these objections, the Summary confidently asserts just those findings that support its case. In short, this is advocacy, not assessment.”

He should add, it is deliberate advocacy, as the RealClimate quote shows.

The SPM receives scant attention from the media and the public, except for the temperature predictions and then only the most extreme figure is selected. The Science Report receives even less attention, but that is by instruction because it is released months later. All of this is why I quoted German physicist and meteorologist Klaus Eckart Puls (English translation version) on the cover of both my books.

“Ten years ago, I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.” “Scientifically it is sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate by turning a CO2 adjustment knob.”

The real challenge of the 97% consensus claim is to get more of the 97% to do what Puls did, read the Reports and find out what the IPCC did and said. They need to do it because the misuse and loss of credibility of science aren’t restricted to the climate deception. As I read and hear from all sectors of science and society, it is endemic (fake news) and potentially devastating. I think one of the most important achievements of my successful trial with Andrew Weaver was to go beyond the defamation charge, against my lawyer’s advice, and show that the misuse of science will and must elicit passionate reactions. So, next time you are confronted with the 97% oblique charge, simply ask the person if they have read any of the IPCC Reports. Just be prepared for the invective.

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John A
September 29, 2018 12:17 pm

Dr Ball: 97% or not (and I think not) the stranglehold on scientific zeitgeist is nearly complete. TV companies around the world refuse to even entertain an opposing view on AGW on the grounds that people who do so are the scientific equivalent of Holocaust Deniers and Flat Earthers.

I don’t know what is to be done except to note that it has been a disaster for some to associate both with AGW skepticism and extreme right-wing politics.

I believe that science will right itself eventually but as Max Planck once said mournfully “one funeral at a time”

Cephus0
Reply to  John A
September 29, 2018 1:58 pm

It isn’t worth worrying about. The “scientific zeitgeist’ can flip antiphase overnight if the political winds of the day favour it. Many academics in my general experience care little for much outside of their status, ego, next grant and pension. Morality is an infinitely plastic and evanescently thin medium in the ivory towers and is readily coalesced into whatever form secures the most grant money. With due apology to the moral academics amongst you.

Hivemind
Reply to  Cephus0
September 30, 2018 6:27 am

Both of them.

Brian Johnston
Reply to  John A
September 29, 2018 3:38 pm

[snip – wildly off-topic, ugly, and uninformed to boot. Not appropriate for this venue. Further replies will also be deleted. Anthony]

John A
Reply to  Brian Johnston
September 30, 2018 4:25 am

Dear Anthony,

This is the reason why I don’t bother to come here any more.

AJ
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September 30, 2018 4:49 am

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MarkW
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September 30, 2018 7:25 am

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Brian Johnston
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September 30, 2018 3:13 pm

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John A
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September 30, 2018 3:55 pm

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September 30, 2018 4:15 pm

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September 30, 2018 7:03 am

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MarkW
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September 30, 2018 7:27 am

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D. J. Hawkins
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September 30, 2018 2:03 pm

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Brian Johnston
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September 30, 2018 5:43 pm

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D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Brian Johnston
September 30, 2018 10:41 pm

Wow, bald-faced lying!! So, that was a different Brian Johnston who opened this particular cess pit on Sept 30, at 3:38pm, comment 2474027 above?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Brian Johnston
September 30, 2018 10:43 pm

Sorry, Sept 29.

Paul Penrose
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September 30, 2018 7:54 pm

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September 30, 2018 10:13 pm

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Reply to  John A
September 29, 2018 10:54 pm

Speaking of Umberto Eco, Foucault’s Pendulum (a great book by the way, but again a slog) was in many ways a metaphor for the climate scam. In it (as best I can recall after 15 years) a writer decides to appeal to an audience of established crazies and weirdos by building a case for having identified the location of the Chalice from extant and existing writings and builds a flimsy, to him, case such that the crazies and weirdos think he actually knows, and they start hunting for the writers … and it is a hell of a chase where whatever they do seems to play into the narrative they’ve constructed, such that the hole gets deeper and deeper, where even the dis-proofs support the conclusions, and damn the protagonists.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Bill Capron
September 30, 2018 1:52 pm

I have been trying to finish that for two years. The reason it is a slog imho is that the author felt he had to put every piece of research he did into the book. After a bit it’s just like is there a point to this book? Unfortunately, sometimes the articles here feel the same. But, not every citizen scientist is an excellent writer. So, it takes more work to get to the info.

Bill
Reply to  John A
September 29, 2018 11:13 pm

“…extreme right-wing politics.” is anarchy. Historically anarchists have been tools of the left. This phrase, “right-wing”, was invented by the left to mischaracterize reasonable and rational people as extreme (deniers) in order to elicit the mob mentality of useful idiots, who can then assist these same anarchists in creating a political vacuum (anarchy) the whole lot can slither right into. AGW is just one symptom of this grave conspiracy to dumb us down and make math and science “social” in nature, so reasonable and rational people can never debate any point or protest too much.

MarkW
Reply to  Bill
September 30, 2018 7:29 am

In the eyes of many Europeans, someone who wants to slow down the advance of socialism is a right winger.
Someone who wants to actaully roll back socialism is an extreme right winger.

Bair Polaire
Reply to  John A
October 1, 2018 1:32 am

97% of scientists agree on global warming??
98% of them haven’t read 99% of the literature!
That usually works…

Anthony Banton
September 29, 2018 12:20 pm

” I think one of the most important achievements of my successful trial with Andrew Weaver was to go beyond the defamation charge, against my lawyer’s advice, and show that the misuse of science will and must elicit passionate reactions. So, next time you are confronted with the 97% oblique charge, simply ask the person if they have read any of the IPCC Reports. Just be prepared for the invective.”

“Successful” LOL

https://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm

“Apology to Dr. Andrew Weaver

On January 10, 2011, Canada Free Press began publishing on this website an article by Dr. Tim Ball entitled “Corruption of Climate Science Has Created 30 Lost Years” which contained untrue and disparaging statements about Dr. Andrew Weaver, who is a professor in the School of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Victoria, British Columbia.

Contrary to what was stated in Dr. Ball’s article, Dr. Weaver: (1) never announced he will not participate in the next IPCC; (2) never said that the IPCC chairman should resign; (3) never called for the IPCC’s approach to science to be overhauled; and (4) did not begin withdrawing from the IPCC in January 2010.

As a result of a nomination process that began in January, 2010, Dr. Weaver became a Lead Author for Chapter 12: “Long-term Climate Change: Projections, Commitments and Irreversibility” of the Working Group I contribution to the Fifth Assessment Report of the IPCC. That work began in May, 2010. Dr. Ball’s article failed to mention these facts although they are publicly-available.

Dr. Tim Ball also wrongly suggested that Dr. Weaver tried to interfere with his presentation at the University of Victoria by having his students deter people from attending and heckling him during the talk. CFP accepts without reservation there is no basis for such allegations.

CFP also wishes to dissociate itself from any suggestion that Dr. Weaver “knows very little abut climate science.” We entirely accept that he has a well-deserved international reputation as a climate scientist and that Dr. Ball’s attack on his credentials is unjustified.

CFP sincerely apologizes to Dr. Weaver and expresses regret for the embarrassment and distress caused by the unfounded allegations in the article by Dr. Ball.”

And then there’s this ….(The Judges judgement)

Further, despite Dr. Ball’s history as an academic and a scientist, the Article is rife with errors and inaccuracies, which suggests a lack of attention to detail on Dr. Ball’s part, if not an indifference to the truth. For example:

a) He purports to cite a paper from Michigan State University stating that most college students do not understand the scientific basis of the carbon cycle, when in fact, he was referring to an online article written by a professor of education who was describing a study published in the science journal BioScience;

b) He suggests that Dr. Weaver has consistently refused to debate the climate change issue, an allegation not borne out in the evidence;

c) When describing his presentation at UVIC, he alleges that Dr. Weaver’s students showed up to disrupt the presentation, which again, was not established on the evidence, and Dr. Ball had no basis for making that allegation in the Article; and

d) He alleges that Dr. Weaver had announced his intention to withdraw from the next IPCC and had advocated for the resignation of the IPCC chairman. Dr. Ball said he took this information from a newspaper article, the veracity of which he did not confirm, and which was disputed by Dr. Weaver.

[61] While each of these errors, looked at individually, may seem quite minor, collectively, they illustrate that Dr. Ball’s approach to gathering facts in support of his opinion or thesis is less than rigorous.

“[75] First, as discussed above, the Article is poorly written and does not advance
credible arguments in favour of Dr. Ball’s theory about the corruption of climate
science. Simply put, a reasonably thoughtful and informed person who reads the
Article is unlikely to place any stock in Dr. Ball’s views, including his views of Dr.
Weaver as a supporter of conventional climate science. In Vellacott v. Saskatoon
Star Phoenix Group Inc. et al, 2012 SKQB 359 [Vellacott], the court found that
certain published comments were not defamatory because they were so ludicrous
and outrageous as to be unbelievable and therefore incapable of lowering the
reputation of the plaintiff in the minds of right-thinking persons (at para. 70). While
the impugned words here are not as hyperbolic as the words in Vellacott, they
similarly lack a sufficient air of credibility to make them believable and therefore
potentially defamatory.”

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 29, 2018 12:48 pm

Anthony, it appears you left out the judge’s opinion and the resolution of Dr. Weaver’s lawsuit against Dr. Ball.

Conclusion
[85] Dr. Weaver’s claim is dismissed. If the parties cannot agree on costs, they may make arrangements to speak to the issue.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Reg Nelson
September 29, 2018 1:07 pm

“[85] Dr. Weaver’s claim is dismissed. If the parties cannot agree on costs, they may make arrangements to speak to the issue.”

Dismissed by trashing Mr Ball’s scientific credibility.
If he considers that “successful” then he sets a low – I would say, a negative, height bar

sycomputing
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 29, 2018 1:36 pm

“Dismissed by trashing Mr Ball’s scientific credibility.”

I don’t follow. I’m not seeing from any of the quotes above where the judge in this case trashed Dr. Ball’s scientific credibility?

Did you mean something else?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 1:51 pm

“I don’t follow. I’m not seeing from any of the quotes above where the judge in this case trashed Dr. Ball’s scientific credibility?”

OK, fair enough – maybe not “scientific” credibility, but credibility certainly.

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 2:24 pm

“OK, fair enough – maybe not “scientific” credibility, but credibility certainly.”

Thank you for being honest about your mistake, but/and no, not credibility in general, but rather, “credibility certainly” only as pertains to this specific case where in the judge’s opinion Dr. Ball didn’t libel Dr. Weaver as Dr. Weaver had charged him of doing.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 3:39 pm

“only as pertains to this specific case where in the judge’s opinion Dr. Ball didn’t libel Dr. Weaver as Dr. Weaver had charged him of doing.”

No but it was derogatory …

“[72] That is not to say that the Article is wholly benign as it relates to Dr. Weaver. On Dr. Ball’s own interpretation, the Article suggests that Dr. Weaver is not competent to teach climate science or, at least, teaches it from a biased perspective. The Article suggests further that Dr. Weaver would not be qualified to participate in a multi-disciplinary panel on climate science.

[73] These allegations are directed at Dr. Weaver’s professional competence and are clearly derogatory of him. Indeed, it is quite apparent that this was Dr. Ball’s intent. Why else would he include a description of Dr. Weaver’s allegedly paranoid behaviour at the meeting in Dr. Weaver’s office, given that it has no direct relevance to the central thesis of the Article? (I note again that Dr. Weaver denies Dr. Ball’s version of that meeting.)

[74] However, not every derogatory statement is defamatory. The test again is whether the impugned words genuinely threaten the plaintiff’s actual reputation (Weaver, at para. 68). Here, I am not satisfied that the impugned words of the Article reach that level. I reach this conclusion for the following reasons.”

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 3:52 pm

“No but it was derogatory … ”

You mean as in this example:

“Dismissed by trashing Mr Ball’s scientific credibility.
If he considers that “successful” then he sets a low – I would say, a negative, height bar”

Jack Dale
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 4:28 pm

From the finding:

{83} In summary, the Article is a poorly written opinion piece that offers Dr. Ball’s views on conventional climate science and Dr. Weaver’s role as a supporter and teacher of that science. While the Article is derogatory of Dr. Weaver, it is not defamatory, in that the impugned words do not genuinely threaten Dr. Weaver’s reputation in the minds of reasonably thoughtful and informed readers. Dr. Weaver has therefore failed to establish the first element of the defamation test.

In other words, only unthinking , ill informed folks would agree with Dr. Ball.

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 4:43 pm

“In other words, only unthinking , ill informed folks would agree with Dr. Ball.”

As would be the case with those who agree with Dr. Weaver:

“Dr. Weaver has therefore failed to establish the first element of the defamation test.”

Kristi Silber
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 8:01 pm

sycomputing,

Personally, after reading many of Dr. Ball’s posts, I don’t have a problem with saying derogatory things about them. His reasoning is poor and his arguments are not cohesive or well-supported. To me it seems like they are mostly propaganda.

That said, his post about communicating with non-scientists had some good points.

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
September 29, 2018 8:14 pm

“Personally, after reading many of Dr. Ball’s posts, I don’t have a problem with saying derogatory things about them. His reasoning is poor and his arguments are not cohesive or well-supported. To me it seems like they are mostly propaganda.”

Then you just contradict yourself with your criticisms of others saying derogatory things about you, Kristi. Doesn’t that leave you open to the charge of hypocrisy?

If you contradict yourself, for what logical reason would anyone give anything you have to say any care, even much less care if you prove yourself an hypocrite by decrying that sin which you yourself commit?

MarkW
Reply to  sycomputing
September 30, 2018 7:32 am

Kristi complaining about others posts being poorly written.
My irony meter just pegged at 11.

tty
Reply to  sycomputing
September 30, 2018 9:25 am

“His reasoning is poor and his arguments are not cohesive or well-supported. To me it seems like they are mostly propaganda.”

Kristi have you ever heard about something called “psychological projection”?

Kristi Silber
Reply to  sycomputing
September 30, 2018 12:39 pm

sycomputing,

“Then you just contradict yourself with your criticisms of others saying derogatory things about you, Kristi. Doesn’t that leave you open to the charge of hypocrisy?”

Fair point. I’m not writing posts, but I suppose that doesn’t make a difference. What I should have said is that I find some of his posts poorly-reasoned. That is not talking about the person, but his product. I’m aware that my comments are sometimes wrong and poorly reasoned. None of us can reason well all the time. I don’t mind when others point out my mistakes – I wish they would do it more often, as long as they back it up with evidence. That’s the way to learn.

And I don’t mind that you pointed out my hypocrisy now. I shouldn’t have said what I did.

…Evidence for poor reasoning is Dr. Ball’s post:
“Then I point out that the critical 97% figure is that at least 97% of scientists have never read the claims of the IPCC Reports…. the deliberately deceptive Summary for Policymakers (SPM). ….. It is worse, because the IPCC deliberately created the false claim of consensus.”

These are unsupported assumptions. I try not to make assumptions and generalizations like that, though I may say, “SOME skeptics,” or ‘it seems to me…” See the difference?

Kristi Silber
Reply to  sycomputing
September 30, 2018 12:40 pm

tty,

“Kristi have you ever heard about something called ‘psychological projection’?”

Certainly.

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
September 30, 2018 2:22 pm

“Fair point. I’m not writing posts, but I suppose that doesn’t make a difference. What I should have said is that I find some of his posts poorly-reasoned. That is not talking about the person, but his product.”

Many thanks!

“These are unsupported assumptions. I try not to make assumptions and generalizations like that, though I may say, ‘SOME skeptics,’ or ‘it seems to me…’ See the difference?”

Yes ma’am sure do…

All the best and take care!

utterbilge
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 29, 2018 1:39 pm

Credibiity? The sum of Dr. Ball’s discourse suggests “97 %” may be the fraction of the IPCC reports he simply does not comprehend.

Solomon Green
Reply to  utterbilge
September 29, 2018 3:22 pm

Has utterbilge read any of the IPCC reports in full? Or has he only read the summaries after they were rewritten by politicians?

Reply to  utterbilge
September 29, 2018 4:31 pm

Here is a classic move:

“Credibiity? The sum of Dr. Ball’s discourse suggests “97 %” may be the fraction of the IPCC reports he simply does not comprehend.”

The move is simply to dismiss someone of great specific experience in their field by flippantly asserting that they do not understand the basics of their own field. I saw this as a standard maneuver with the long Gerlich & Tscheuschner paper, where people asserted relentlessly that theoretical, mathematical physicists did not understand the basics of their own field, even when they answered all their critics’ specific, detailed criticisms with relatively calm, equally expert rebuttals.

Consequently, I think the above quote in bold is little more than an ego fart, exuded as a cloud to repel challenges that might pull one out of his intellectual comfort zone. In other words, the comment simply stinks of shallowness and unwillingness to do the work that would be involved to fully support such a statement.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  utterbilge
September 29, 2018 5:47 pm

Its called twatism Robert.

A progressives base instinct.

Utterbilge
Reply to  utterbilge
September 29, 2018 7:14 pm

Solomon Green: Yes. Each iteration takes the better part of a month

The only Robert Kernodle Google Scholar turns up is the chap who invented the collapsable hogshead on 1932.

lee
Reply to  utterbilge
September 29, 2018 10:29 pm

How about Cook et al “97% meme”.

From the abstract –
“We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics ‘global climate change’ or ‘global warming’. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. ”

So 97.1% of 32.6% of Abstracts. Not even 97.1% of climate scientists.

MarkW
Reply to  utterbilge
September 30, 2018 7:34 am

And here another alarmist demonstrates how to perform an ad hominem.

Notice how he doesn’t bother to refute anything Dr. Ball wrote. That’s because he can’t, and he knows it.

MarkW
Reply to  utterbilge
September 30, 2018 7:35 am

Solomon, the summaries were written first, then the various chapters were edited to match it.

MarkW
Reply to  utterbilge
September 30, 2018 7:37 am

Now bilge demonstrates the art of appeal to authority.

He declares that Robert’s response must be wrong because bilge doesn’t recognize Robert as an authority.

Will bilge rest on his laurels, or will he attempt to complete the fallacy hat trick.

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 30, 2018 7:30 am

It really is sad how these alarmists have to twist the truth in order to justify their hatred of those who disagree with them.

Earthling2
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 29, 2018 1:21 pm

It is very important to note that the lawsuit by Weaver against Ball was completely dismissed. The B.C. Supreme Court Justice Ron Skolrood, in his dismissal of this libel case also agreed with Dr. Ball that many of the meanings advanced by Weaver were extreme and not borne out when the words are considered from the perspective of a reasonable, right-thinking person.

“Specifically, I do not accept that the article, read in its entirety and properly construed, alleges dishonesty on Dr. Weaver’s part or attacks his character in the sense of imputing moral fault or blameworthiness,” said Judge Skolrood. The judge also noted that the laws of defamation provide an important tool for protecting a person’s reputation from unjustified attack. But the judge added that the laws were not intended to stifle debate on matters of public interest or compensate for every perceived slight or quash a contrary view, no matter how ill-conceived. Only when the words used genuinely threaten a person’s actual reputation can defamation be proved, he said, and that was not evident in the Weaver case. Hence, Dr. Ball was not convicted of any libel. This was clearly a nuisance slap suit against Dr. Ball by Dr. Weaver. Weaver is just a misinformed thin skinned little know it all, throwing a tantrum as is evidenced by the result of his lawsuit. Just like his leadership with the BC Green Party and propping up the NDP in power.

So, Dr. Weaver filed a Libel lawsuit against Dr. Ball, and Weaver lost, big time. The lesson is don’t attack the messenger, attack the message. That is what Dr. Ball did, and why he won. Unfortunately, the judge didn’t know and didn’t care to know about the nuances of climate change, and knowing that climate change is just such a mine field, made comments that both sides were over heating in rhetoric by stating that many of the meanings advanced by Weaver were extreme, and Ball’s article was poorly written, and no one would place any stock in it anyway.

I just hope that court costs were awarded to Dr. Ball, since this was a straight up hit job by Weaver. I never did hear how that was settled. But it goes to show that frivolous slap suits by the likes of the scoundrel Weaver do work, in that it has a chilling effect on anyone advocating for true scientific research, and not just preaching consensus science as the final be all truth.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Earthling2
September 29, 2018 8:05 pm

Earthling2,

Did you ever read the response I made to you in that other post, the one about debate? I don’t want you to think I was ignoring you.

Earthling2
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 29, 2018 10:29 pm

Yes, thanks. But would be nice to hear from the other shoe on the other foot, what you have learned here about the reason why so many of us are from Missouri, so to be speak. Now I am interested in the psychology of ‘climate change’. What makes someone a believer in this subject, or what makes some a skeptic, like me for example. I just assume everyone would really want to dig down into the scientific details and discover that all isn’t what it appears with the official teachings of AGW. The science behind AGW appears to be more of a faith exercise, not a rigorous scientific exercise. To be a good scientist, one has to be constantly a skeptic and be ready to challenge one’s own views. That’s why I thought you had a really good idea.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Earthling2
September 30, 2018 1:25 pm

Earthling2,

If I were a skeptic (and I am, but not in the normal sense of “climate science skeptic”), I would especially note the way the models are made, parameterized, and the way at least some of them are tuned. I would talk about the range among the simulations, and the unknowns involved. I would probably point to the work by Dr. Curry about their uncertainty and the way it’s calculated. I would talk about the evidence of lack of professionalism found in the Climategate emails. I would probably point out the potential for “groupthink.”

It’s rather a difficult exercise beyond that, I find, to come up with arguments and maintain my sense of integrity.

The psychology of the climate change debate! Now there’s an interesting topic. One of the main points, I believe, is the way policy and politics has colored what should be a purely scientific question. Liberals have been affected by the alarmist media and environmental organizations; conservatives by the conservative media, think tanks and at least couple decades of fossil fuel propaganda. And, on both sides, blogs – though it seems WUWT has reached a lot more people, and a wider range, than any single “pro-AGW” blog (or maybe all of them put together). It’s probably also significant that there are more liberals in academia – that doesn’t make them smarter, but perhaps more likely to side with other academics. I don’t know the figures, but I imaging there’s quite a liberal skew among climate scientists, too. Then there are the liberal moral foundations of “caring” and “fairness” that conservatives have, but to a lesser degree and expressed in different ways (this is according to the work on moral foundation theory). For instance, I believe it is Americans’ responsibility to make an effort to lower our CO2 emissions because we have contributed so much in the past, the effects are worldwide, and other nations are making sacrifices; why should we, who have among the highest per capita income in the world, say we won’t contribute $6/person to remain in the Paris Agreement, thereby contributing to the Green Climate Fund? There are no legal obligations to cut our emissions by a given amount; we can’t be penalized for it if we don’t make the goal. Oh, but now I’m slipping into my own argument, not talking about the psychology of it.

There’s a start. What do you think?

It would be nice to take this discussion out of WUWT; I hate to think of the backlash I might get. Plus there’s a time limit.

Earthling2
Reply to  Earthling2
September 30, 2018 11:28 pm

Kristi…If I were an ‘alarmist’ or let’s say someone who holds an opposite opinion on the scientific merits of dangerous climate change, the argument I would be making is the future economic danger of keeping all my ‘eggs’ in the fossil fuel game. FF are all well and good as witnessed by the last 150 years of human progress, but there will come a day when their price point becomes so high that it will not be economic to utilize precious FF’s for a thermal auto engine that is only 25%-30% efficient. When that day comes, and if we haven’t developed alternative fuel supplies, then the whole economic train comes crashing down. That is a far worse outcome than some global warming or ocean level rising because it will be happening at a maximum economic growth and a time of the largest population. We can mitigate some changing weather and climate and adapt, especially if it is from warming because that is what humanity has always done. Colder represents a huge problem, also witnessed by history and calamitous. But when fossil fuels become too precious to use for thermal applications, and best be kept for the thousands of products we need to make out of FF, then that is the day that no one has examined in a not too distance future and not in much detail yet. What does humanity do when we inevitably run low on cheap accessible fossil fuels? Whether it 25, 50 or 100 years from now, that day is coming.

That is what my opening argument would be for putting the shoe on the other foot regarding making an argument for the other side of the fence. But I would bet you a good bottle of wine, I could convince you we don’t have much to worry about with a disaster from a changing climate by 2050 or 2100, unless it is to the drastically cold side. There are 1001 other problems much larger than that which we have now and will have to worry about in the future. Civil breakdown, as you allude to elsewhere, is just the beginning of our problems, and it arrises out of deeply entrenched positions both on the far right, and the far left. In part, the climate hysteria on the left has driven the rise of the populist right, because many feel that the science has been misrepresented to appear that there is a massive breakdown in actual climate, when as we see, the good Earth now supports 7.4 billion people, because of a warming climate, and fossil fuels. I think it is a major problem for humanity when we run out of affordable fossil fuels, and if that was the argument being made for a reduction in such now, at least it would be an honest argument. For future dangerous climate change, IMHO, not so much.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 29, 2018 7:47 pm

“Simply put, a reasonably thoughtful and informed person who reads the Article is unlikely to place any stock in Dr. Ball’s views”

This seems to me to generally be the case with Dr. Ball’s articles. But that’s just my opinion.

fred250
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 3:34 am

Any person who reads any of your posts is totally unlikely to put any credence in your pointless and worthless opinions.

To most people, your comments are just irrelevant leftist troll yapping.

Don
Reply to  fred250
September 30, 2018 5:29 am

Thank you for objective reasoning which doesn’t interject ad hominem attacks and political assumptions.
Don132

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:39 am

If we were to apply Dr. Weaver’s standards, that would be libel.

Jim Whelan
September 29, 2018 12:22 pm

I’m a denier. Among other things I deny that the world is flat. When asked why I never, ever, state that almost 100% of scientists agree with me. I present actual, voluminous evidence, much of which can be verified by individuals.

Eric Brownson
Reply to  Jim Whelan
September 29, 2018 1:18 pm

The word “denier” should only be used in the context of The Holocaust – not in jest, not facetiously, not as a criticism. It is a word that should be reserved only for those who refuse to believe, acknowledge or accept the truth and historical basis of The Holocaust.

The use of the word in the context of climate is intended to brand someone as a bigot, anti-Semite, anti-science, disbeliever in historical facts, as a horrible person without moral character.

The use of “denier” in the context of science is a despicable slur that must not be tolerated.

Brian Johnston
Reply to  Eric Brownson
September 29, 2018 3:43 pm

Eric Brownson. Bringing the Holocaust into the AGW debate is stupidity. The Holocaust did not occur and nor is AGW. The problem is we want a warmer planet. Burn more carbon.

John Dilks
Reply to  Brian Johnston
September 29, 2018 6:27 pm

Brian Johnson,
There have been many Holocausts. The Holocaust by the Nazi’s is the most famous. But Stalin’s Russia had it’s Holocaust, as did Mao”s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Idi Amin’s Uganda. Anyone who disbelieves that any of these took place is either ignorant or a liar trying to stir things up.

C. Paul Pierett
Reply to  John Dilks
September 29, 2018 6:37 pm

Don’t forget about the Native American Indian Holocaust.

Brian Johnston
Reply to  John Dilks
September 29, 2018 10:15 pm

John Dilks: There was no ‘Nazi’ Holocaust . The National Socialists never called themselves Nazis. You should not be calling others ignorant. You are the trouble maker.

Reply to  John Dilks
September 29, 2018 10:29 pm

OK guys, this is WAAAAY off-topicf and inappropriate discussion. COOL IT PLEASE.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Eric Brownson
September 29, 2018 4:38 pm

Equating the term “denier” in the context of AGW to Holocaust denial is an insult to both the victims and survivors of the Holocaust.

As it seems to be a red flag, I have stopped using the “denier” term in favour of Katherine Hayhoe’s phrase “dismissive of climate science” which I divide into two categories: “the deceivers” and “the deceived”

MarkW
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 7:41 am

Doesn’t something have to exist before one can be dismissive of it?

Sun Spot
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 3:11 pm

Katherine Hayhoe’s is an alarmist hack & a true believer in consensus-pseudo-science.

Jajck Dale
Reply to  Sun Spot
September 30, 2018 3:40 pm

Katherine Hayhoe, like myself, does not believe in global warming. We both affirm the evidence-based science, which you dismiss. I presume you are one of the deceived.

https://www.facebook.com/katharine.hayhoe/posts/i-dont-believe-in-global-warming-the-evidence-tells-us-its-real-nearly-two-hundr/1891833594374852/

However, I do not share her Chrsitian faoth.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Sun Spot
September 30, 2018 4:30 pm

Last sentence should read

However, I do not share her Christian faith.

Sun Spot
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 6:03 pm

So Jack Dale you said “We both affirm the evidence-based science” noooooo Jack I think you and HayHoe can’t tell the difference between faith and cAGW-faith-science.
Jack please show us this cAGW evidence-based science, maybe some experimental evidence that has been replicated showing a catastrophic result (BTW computer models don’t do science & can’t be equated as experiments).

Allot of people on this blog will very interested in this science revelation you & Hayhoe will impart to us.

Greg Woods
September 29, 2018 12:28 pm

The Name of the Rose – one of my favorite books, along with Moby Dick…

Utterbilge
Reply to  Greg Woods
September 29, 2018 12:55 pm

Who is Greg Woods to challenge the lierary taste of so eminent a professor of Canadian semiotics and grand master of the codes, signs and hidden geomantic meanings of geese migrations as Professor Ball ?

As Turin’s leading climate skeptics say, “Ma gavte la nata !”

Reply to  Greg Woods
September 29, 2018 3:09 pm

i think the book most unfinished is either Finnegans Wake or Ulysses.

Name of theRose is a great book and an excellent movie.

Reply to  Leo Smith
September 29, 2018 4:03 pm

Decades ago I read Ulysses, with a guide and a condensation of the original.
I was pleased with the accomplishment.
Thinking anything was possible, I took on Finnegan–stopped dead–got nowhere.
I still wonder if it is a spoof?

Shawn Marshall
Reply to  Bob Hoye
September 30, 2018 5:08 am

Many years since – my recall of Moby Dick is that is is a great book – love all the first hand experience of whaling and sailing ships. Good for a fireside read in the depth of winter.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Greg Woods
September 29, 2018 4:49 pm

And both made enjoyable movies….

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Greg Woods
September 29, 2018 8:13 pm

I just finished Moby Dick. I can empathize. The ending was pretty good, though.

Nice post. Evocative language.

Shawn Marshall
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 5:07 am

Many years since – my recall of Moby Dick is that is is a great book – love all the first hand experience of whaling and sailing ships. Good for a fireside read in the depth of winter.

BCBill
Reply to  Greg Woods
September 29, 2018 9:45 pm

For me, TNOTR was a page turner. But, unlike most reporters, l also read scientific publications and find many to be interesting.

Earthling2
September 29, 2018 12:38 pm

“The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.”

Thank you Dr. Ball for having read much of the IPPC and explaining it to the masses, including participating in the IPPC process. We also thank you for the sacrifice you have made by allowing your good name and character to have been assassinated by daring to question the consensus climate change dogma from the beginning. Many in history have been persecuted for going against consensus science only to have been proven correct after their death. You have been going against the grain, against your peers, with hard facts, evidence and science, whilst your opponents resorted to smear, twisting of facts and court cases against you personally. Your name will be remembered as one of the true early climate scientists that tried to speak scientific truth, and were temporally shouted down by the liars in scientific consensus. Eat your veggies and get some exercise so as you stay in good health and are here to write about it now for the next 20 years, as the biggest scientific fraud in the history of science is unmasked.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Earthling2
September 29, 2018 8:55 pm

Earthling2,

“You have been going against the grain, against your peers, with hard facts, evidence and science, whilst your opponents resorted to smear, twisting of facts and court cases against you personally. Your name will be remembered as one of the true early climate scientists that tried to speak scientific truth, and were temporally shouted down by the liars in scientific consensus.”

But smear and twisting of facts is exactly what Dr. Ball did and continues to do!

Where’s the evidence that Dr. Ball tried to speak the scientific truth and was shouted down by liars? He’s still speaking – though not about “scientific truth,” but about how the consensus is supposedly filled with frauds and liars – and despite the lack of evidence (Climategate is not evidence of scientific fraud! Nor is it evidence that the climate science community as a whole is unprofessional or in any way corrupt), you believe it.

Where is the evidence for scientific fraud??? Where? There have been scandals showing lack of professionalism and ethics violations on the contrarian side, too, some of which were revealed by CRU scientists – but they have been willfully misinterpreted to show “suppression of debate,” rather than the abuse of the peer review system they were. Are you unaware of this?

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:44 am

“But smear and twisting of facts is exactly what Dr. Ball did and continues to do!”

At this rate I’m going have to take my irony meter to the shop in order to have the needle replaced.

Earthling2
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 12:40 pm

“Where is the evidence for scientific fraud??? Where?” says Kristi.

Projections made since 1988 that water vapor feedback from increasing CO2 that led to many computer model predictions with excessive planetary warming, some up to 4.5 degrees by 2050-2100 above pre-industrial temperatures. Many of us skeptics agree that there is GHE effect, and perhaps half of the .8 C temp increase the last 150 years has been caused by all human kind activities, including CO2. But forcing a water vapor feedback into long term climate predictions and then utilizing that to set major public policy is a scientific fraud. There is no good provable evidence to suggest that increasing CO2 levels will cause that water vapor feedback loop and any long term planetary temperature increase caused by such. It is pure scientific speculation that is driving global policy.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Earthling2
September 30, 2018 1:48 pm

Earthling2,

No, that is not fraud.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/327/5970/1219
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2008GL035333
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.energy.25.1.441
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2009JCLI3052.1
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/45/18087.short

There is evidence that water vapor is a positive feedback. At worst, it’s a mistake to include it as a positive feedback in the models, but that doesn’t make it fraud. You seem to think that models are being intentionally nudged to give disastrous results in order to get people to spend more money on mitigating climate change. That makes no sense to me. If climate change isn’t a problem, there would be no reason to try to avert it, so what would be the point of trying to make it sound bad? A global socialist conspiracy? I don’t buy it.

Sun Spot
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 6:17 pm

OMG Kristi Silber are you that naive as to believe “. . . If climate change isn’t a problem, there would be no reason to try to avert it. . . ” follow the money man!
• Billions for green subsidies (EV’s & Elon Musk)
• Billions for big cAGW science
• Billions for new carbon taxes
• Billions in profits fromscams like cap’n trade
• Billions in profit for wind & solar scammers
• etc etc etc

Earthling2
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:44 pm

“At worst, it’s a mistake to include it as a positive feedback in the models, but that doesn’t make it fraud.” says Kristi.

Yes, of course you are correct to conclude it’s a mistake to include positive water vapor feedback in the models. One would have to prove fraud in that regard, and it is possible that the scientists were just using an extreme example. That doesn’t make it right to assume then those models are correct. That is what this whole climate charade is about. It is the excessive warmth in some of the hottest running models for the planet by 2050 to 2100 of up to 4.5 C above baseline levels prior to the industrial age, circa 1850.

Some of the worst predictions for global warming were by Dr. Andrew Weaver for a 4.5 C temperature increase in the long term future, which was what led to Dr. Ball to make some of the statements he did. Which led to the court case against Dr. Ball, which Dr. Weaver lost big time. Principally because it was not established at all that Dr. Ball intended to disparage Dr. Weaver’s good name. Dr. Weaver invited that criticism of his work, which is what that was all about.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Earthling2
September 30, 2018 7:51 pm

RSS has measured the increase in water in the atmosphere.

“This increase can be formally attributed to human-induced climate change”

http://www.remss.com/research/climate/

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:45 pm

Sun Spot,

None of that directly benefits scientists. Even funding for research doesn’t line their pockets. Funding for research comes because it’s deemed important, and it’s done well. It’s highly competitive in the U.S. Low-quality researchers have a harder time getting funding; fraud will ruin a career. In some other countries, scientists are less dependent on getting grants for their research, so that isn’t part of the picture.

What would really give scientists fame and fortune is if they discovered a different plausible hypothesis for global warming, with adequate support.

Then you could turn the question around, and look at the funding from the fossil fuel industry, which has spent millions of dollars fighting support for AGW. I heard the other day it spent a billion dollars on 2016 election campaigns.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 8:19 pm

Earthling2

“Yes, of course you are correct to conclude it’s a mistake to include positive water vapor feedback in the models. ”

No, that’s not what I said. You didn’t look at the evidence I posted.

I don’t care about the court case.

Sun Spot
Reply to  Earthling2
September 30, 2018 3:15 pm

I second the sentiment expressed by Earthling2 “Thank you Dr. Ball for having read much of the IPPC and explaining it to the masses, including participating in the IPPC process.”

commieBob
September 29, 2018 12:39 pm

Naively, people, especially other scientists, assume scientists would not falsify, mislead, misrepresent, or withhold information.

Oh yes!

In ‘Listen Liberal’, Thomas Frank points out that the Democrat party has embraced a well-graduated professional class. Those folks automatically believe others of their ilk. They love complexity. Simplicity is beneath their dignity. They like to think of themselves as superior to the rest of us. Of course they believe in CAGW. Of course they are mostly clueless about the underlying science. link

Listen Liberal is a pretty good description of how we got where we are.

I would remind all those smug, well-graduated, out of touch, little s**ts out there of the immortal wisdom of Richard Feynman.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool. link

Kristi Silber
Reply to  commieBob
September 29, 2018 9:09 pm

commieBob,

Why do you think Feynman’s words apply to any particular group more than another?

They, they, they…they think and act this way. You know all about them, and how cookie-cutter uniform they are, just a bunch of clones.

Aren’t you just as guilty of thinking your group is superior?

I hope one day we can all grow up and stop the perpetual blaming and finger-pointing and arrogance. I do it, too, but at least I’m trying to change (you all may not see it, but you don’t know me or how I have changed).

commieBob
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 2:17 am

Aren’t you just as guilty of thinking your group is superior?

What group is that?

You are treading into moral relativism. It’s like saying that the gut bacteria that keeps me alive is the same as the bacterial infection that can kill me.

There is the Zen (and Daoist) principle of non-judgement. The question to ask is how monks and hermits live to old age. They do not judge the wolf as more evil than the lamb but somehow they manage to avoid being devoured by wolves.

If something is causing a problem I am allowed to name and describe it.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  commieBob
September 30, 2018 10:24 pm

commieBob,

Sorry, maybe you just think you are better than “they.”

What does moral relativism have to do with my comment? Do you think you are morally superior, too? Or are you referring to, “I hope one day we can all grow up and stop the perpetual blaming and finger-pointing and arrogance.”? That has nothing to do with moral relativism. (Thanks for the link, but unnecessary.)

Something is causing a problem. It’s assumptions and generalizations and insults (like HRC’s despicable “deplorable” comment), and liberal alienation of the right, and the imbalance of liberals and conservatives in academia, and the power of wealth in politics, and the fact that the wealthy are getting wealthier while the middle class is stagnating (and NO, I am not a socialist!). It’s the fact that everyone is angry, and they are turning against each other rather than looking for solutions. It’s the biased media and internet sites that promote confirmation bias. There are lots of problems.

It’s a problem that I lose my temper and lash out because I’m sick of being constantly insulted by a few, and having my groups insulted by many. I identify with scientists, and I’m tired of having them called frauds and idiots for no good reason.

Yes, there are problems.

commieBob
Reply to  Kristi Silber
October 1, 2018 10:59 am

I identify with scientists, and I’m tired of having them called frauds and idiots for no good reason.

1 – If you live in a system that will harshly punish you for stepping out of line, toeing the line does not make you a fraud or an idiot.

2 – When smart people do stupid things, does that make them idiots? I’m not sure.

I would say that the well-graduated professional class so loved by the Democrat party is certainly blind to its own foibles and failings. They, as a group, are out of touch and arrogant. Many scientists are

Thomas Frank has a very good take on what’s ailing the nation. The book is an easy read because it is well written. It does not lack substance. You can probably borrow it for free from the library.

Anyway, pointing out the system’s problems is not the same as finger pointing.

fred250
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 3:39 am

“I hope one day we can all grow up and stop the perpetual blaming and finger-pointing and arrogance. “

I can’t see you showing any indication that you are going to even try to change.

Your ego won’t let you.

The first indication would be for you to stop being a sanctimonious leftist troll.

Not going to happen.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  fred250
September 30, 2018 10:27 pm

blah blah blah

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:45 am

“Aren’t you just as guilty of thinking your group is superior?”

Boom, my irony meter just smoked.

commieBob
Reply to  MarkW
September 30, 2018 7:56 am

… and the needle has wound itself completely around the stop.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  commieBob
September 30, 2018 8:07 pm

You know nothing about me. You see what you want to see.

I’m sick of liberals and conservatives. I’m sick of all the political partisanship, the hatred and arrogance, the black-and-white thinking and the assumptions and generalizations. I’m tired of blame and entitlement and victimhood. I want people to be able to get along, converse and cooperate.

I know I’m not a good role model of patience and forgiveness and kindness and humility and diplomacy. I don’t always reason well. I don’t have expertise in climate.

It ain’t easy being constantly attacked, though, either, especially for things that don’t even describe me.

So, think what you want. Just be aware that you don’t know me.

commieBob
Reply to  commieBob
October 1, 2018 11:26 am

So, think what you want. Just be aware that you don’t know me.

Ah but I know where your goat lives. 😉

Anyway, there’s a reason why I know that an analog meter needle can be wrapped around its stop. The humor of the mental image of a destroyed meter cuts both ways.

September 29, 2018 12:51 pm

Tim, only halfwits, the gullible and the naïve would believe anything scientific produced by or for a group of unelected politicians, like the UN? The UN’s IPCC is a political entity, not a scientific one. Thus their reports are politics at its worst, NOT science at its best.

The problem is, we’re arguing with a bunch of halfwits, the gullible and the naïve and those who are attempting to take advantage of that bunch.

Cheers,
Bob

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 29, 2018 1:02 pm

Oops, the ? after the first sentence above is a typo. Sorry.

Ron Long
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 29, 2018 3:55 pm

Bob, I attended an oficial UN event, the IAEA Redbook event in Vienna, as an official Country Representative, and I find your characterization of them (generally) as halfwits, etc, to be 97% understated as to their true worthlessness. But I guess you are trying to maintain some political correctness. Keep up the good work.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 29, 2018 4:34 pm

IPCC AR5 was written by several hundred unpaid volunteer scientists, no politicians were involved. The SPM is a political document. Do not confuse or conflate the two.

Reply to  Jack Dale
September 29, 2018 5:41 pm

Make that “unpaid volunteer pseudoscientists.”

C. Paul Pierett
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
September 29, 2018 6:04 pm

Excellent Terry, it’s enlightening to get an inappropriate characterization from a pseudo-intellectual like you.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
September 29, 2018 6:22 pm

Meanwhile the NIPCC was funded by the Heartland Institute. Michael Ball was one of those paid to write a report that is endorsed by not one single academy of science on the planet. None of those academies dispute the conclusions of the IPCC.

tty
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
September 30, 2018 9:32 am

Make that “government paid volunteer pseudoscientists”.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 29, 2018 6:18 pm

One would need to be an activist to do the work gratis. Time to suspect confirmation bias.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Pop Piasa
September 29, 2018 6:24 pm

That happened to follow the money. The NIPCC authors, including Tom Ball, were paid by Heartland.

MarkW
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 7:49 am

Ah yes, anyone who is paid by government is purer than the driven snow.
While anyone who isn’t being paid by government is corrupt and can be ignored.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Pop Piasa
September 29, 2018 8:34 pm

Pop,

“One would need to be an activist to do the work gratis. Time to suspect confirmation bias.”

Only if money and politics are one’s only interests. Academic scientists would be fools to enter their profession for the money. There are much more remunerative careers, especially considering the education and work involved.

Peer review is also gratis. Are all scientists who do peer review in every field of science victims of confirmation bias?

Your suspicions are simply assumptions. It’s easy to assume things about those with whom one doesn’t agree based on no evidence whatsoever (like the fact that I’m fresh out of school, conditioned by my professors).

WXcycles
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 12:26 am

” … Only if money and politics are one’s only interests. Academic scientists would be fools to enter their profession for the money. There are much more remunerative careers, especially considering the education and work involved. … ”

Oh Kristi, that’s lovely that you feel so forthright, but actually it’s a means to pay the mortgage and cloth the kids. This virtuous soldier of truth stereo-type is just your delusions over-running their bounds and taking command of your keyboard again.

97% of people won’t buy that stuff, too much artificial-sweetener in it. 😉

MarkW
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:50 am

It really is amazing how righteous these alarmists can be.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 8:10 pm

WXcycles

“Oh Kristi, that’s lovely that you feel so forthright, but actually it’s a means to pay the mortgage and cloth the kids.”

Working gratis? How so?

Dave Fair
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 29, 2018 6:34 pm

The fact that AR5 had to arbitrarily “cool off” CMIP5 models in the mid-term should give pause to anyone placing faith in WGI. The fact they left the laughable long term fantastic model warming in is a testament to their mendacity.

“Multiple lines of evidence” is pure political B.S.; all of CAGW is based on inaccurate IPCC climate models. Everything else is a result of the approximately 300-year minor warming coming out of the Little Ice Age. Yes, it has warmed slightly, in fits of ups and downs. No, CO2 is not the primary driver.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 29, 2018 8:44 pm

The Industrial Revolution, and the massive increase in the use fossil fuels, was preceded by 6000 years of cooling.

http://www.realclimate.org/images/Marcott.png

MarkW
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 7:52 am

6000 years of cooling?
You make it sound like there was a smooth gradual cooling.
Instead it’s been a period of warmth interrupted by periods of cooling, with the peaks of the warm periods gradually decreasing.
The current warm period is still cooler than the previous warm periods and still cooler than most of the last 10K years.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 29, 2018 6:36 pm

They were paid by governments, universities, NGOs, etc.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 29, 2018 7:04 pm

The authors of the NIPCC were paid by the Heartland Institute and fossil-fuel and tobacco lobby.

Don Perry
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 29, 2018 7:57 pm

Wow! You folks are getting desperate with your attacks; indicative of your panic at the continuing loss of credibility of the AGW scam meme.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Don Perry
September 29, 2018 8:13 pm

That is a fact. You comment is the desperation move.

MarkW
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 7:53 am

As always, the activists declare that anyone who receives any money, no matter how little, from someone they dislike has been polluted and must be ignored.

MarkW
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 7:47 am

Those involved have admitted that the SPM was finished first and all of the chapters edited to match it.
They may have been unpaid volunteers but that didn’t stop them from being political activists doing what was necessary to protect their careers.

Bill Powers
September 29, 2018 12:58 pm

Excellent posting. When I first heard and read of Man Made Global warming I had an instinctive “danger Will Robinson” reaction. I thought this could be a problem. Then a Politician, not a very bright one I might add, stepped onto a morning show and proclaimed that the debate was over and that a 97% consensus of scientists agreed. A 97% consensus drumbeat began on network and cable news. My next reaction was “Rhett Roe” we are being had, given my learned distrust of Politicians and the words that come out of their mouth. As friends and acquaintances began parroting 97% I would stop them in their tracks with a few simple questions. First, Who arrived at that number? Second, What methodology did they use to reach that conclusion? Third, who did they consider qualified to be queried to arrive at that result? To which the answer to all was, I don’t know. To which I responded then how can you be sure? I will forward this to all my friends who didn’t know the answers to my questions.

Derg
September 29, 2018 1:12 pm

As we continue to muddle along with the same temperatures I wonder how long it will take for my kids to become skeptical.

James Beaver
Reply to  Derg
September 29, 2018 5:37 pm

What if global temperatures actually trend lower over the next 30 years? The Sun seems rather quiescent lately. A rising CO2 concentration doesn’t appear to have much empirical effect on temps.

I hope to be around to see how the following generations parse this situation.

September 29, 2018 1:21 pm

I have some problems with the idea of reading all the IPCC reports when what we know of the set up and marching orders given to scientists wouldnt lead to a scientific result. Especially considering the non-scientific ideologue founders of the whole enterprise and the quality of scientists that would agree to undertake it (even given a lucrative rockstar status and life).

Tim, you yourself admit that they were prepared to deal with those who did read it. I’m a geologist and engineer who even studied paleoclimate in stratigraphy, paleontology and sedimentary petrology. I certainly know the planet has had considerably warmer and colder periods than we have at present with just Nature doing her stuff and that we had an atmosphere in which nearly all the oxygen was tied up in CO2 in the Archean. Yet I’m told that I’m not a qualified climate scientist so my objections don’t count. Reading all this drek put out by an IPCC wouldn’t qualify me. Look what they do to those that do qualify and are sceptical! You have to fight them, but if you are hoping to convince the public, it must be by unrelentingly pushing the failures of the “projections”and the theory and kill this with 10,000 cuts.

One way NOT to convince anybody is to write a slog that wont be read. That is the author’s failure not the reader’s. I have had concerns about the flood of sceptic counterattack books having the opposite effect to that intended for that reason. The stuff you write here is okay and often very interesting for the knowledgeable reader, but evocative writing is a skill few have. You have to be able to transcend the professorhood lecturing type of communication and choose pithy bits that the reader can conclude from.

The best takedown of climateers I’ve read is by non’ scientist, non-academic Mark Steyn in his “Disgrace to the Profession ..” book on Michael Mann. He just assembled all the ugly putdown remarks made by real climate scientists speaking about Michael Mann. Chrichton, too, could do it. George Carlin did it brilliantly and comedic scorn is a killer… worth rewatching. You have to entertain to get a result with the public.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 29, 2018 7:12 pm

Gary,

“You have to be able to transcend the professorhood lecturing type of communication and choose pithy bits that the reader can conclude from.

“The best takedown of climateers I’ve read is by non’ scientist, non-academic Mark Steyn in his “Disgrace to the Profession ..” book on Michael Mann. He just assembled all the ugly putdown remarks made by real climate scientists speaking about Michael Mann.”

This says absolutely nothing about the validity of climate science. Nothing! You think just because scientists don’t like MM that is somehow meaningful in the grand scheme of things? Who gives a damm about one egotistical scientist among thousands? You shouldn’t if you want to rationally discuss the subject of climate change.

“Pithy bits” are the makings of propaganda, not the pursuit of truth – no matter what side of the debate the pithy bits fall on. Pithy bits are what the alarmist media and Al Gore rely on, after all.

WXcycles
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 12:40 am

Are the “trite bits” OK for you then?

I’m guessing your favorite flavor is ‘Vanilla-Troll’, with sprinkles on top.

Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 6:30 am

Steyn is not attacking climate science in this book. I don’t know his position on AGW, though I presume it’s skeptical, but what he is doing/did is collect a book of invective and disparaging remarks about Michael Mann and his work by other “climate scientists” as part of his defense against the libel charges brought by Mann.

Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 7:23 pm

Pithy means something more substantial than you sppear to think. Gore doesn’t do pithy. I could have substituted much of the marqee of prominent players for Mann
How about listing those you think I should consider as exceptoons? Is it not meaningful to you that I inform you that this whole meme was created by el8te global governance non-scientist ideologues. Look up Maurice Strong and search out his “pithy” quotes on the real
goals of the UNFCC, IPCC, Kyoto that he created or Christiane Figueres former UNFCC chiefs take on it.

Kristi, I for one have indeed seen you have changrd snd I respect any one that has the integrity to be able to do this. Some of us, including Anthony have changed too, into sceptics, largely because of the egregious behavior of mainsrteam climate scientists.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 30, 2018 7:43 pm

The “quotes” from Strong and Fiqueres are contextomies.

Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 9:45 pm

Gee Jack, if some lefty ideologue says dont you think its our duty to destroy Western Civilization, and the other one I mentioned says even if AGW is all wrong, redistributing Western wealth is the right thing to do, is that enough context for you. First do you agree with these statements or not? Hey have a go at spinning a context that will satisfy you. Your servitude would please your educators.8

Jack Dale
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 1, 2018 6:20 am

Go read the the original interviews and you will see the any quotes ascribed to them are out of context and quote mined.

SocietalNorm
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 1, 2018 9:20 pm

Gary Pearse,
Thank you for the George Carlin video.

Richard from Brooklyn (south)
September 29, 2018 2:14 pm

I am a lawyer, not a scientist. However I am dedicated to evidence based argument (courts like that). I started my interest in climate when I read of the medieval warm period and researched how historical changes to climate affected history. Then I moved to examining how quickly climate could change and saw that from research in the Antarctic (Vostok cores etc) that it has, in the past, happened within a human life span. During this time the publicity around AGW was gaining traction. I initially took it at face value “it’s probably right, well, you know, it is from scientists”. I read the second report in full (not just the summary. I was interested in the mid latitude hot spot as that seemed to be the core plank of the AGW theory. Easily tested (not by me). As I looked further into it, very little of the information on AGW seemed to tie in with this hot spot theory. I became more skeptical (as a lawyer I am skeptical by nature). I quickly became convinced the AGW industry is a scam and has fooled most of the people all the time.

However thanks to solid contrary evidence and sites like Anthony’s (well mainly this site!) fewer people agree with AGW and CAGW especially.

My take away is that we should dig more into this hot spot*, explain it is the key to the theory and that it doesn’t exist. The most powerful argument is the one that takes the opponents own facts and explains it it a way that shows it is false.

“you have just told the court that the key basis for your theory that has cost the world many billions is the mid latitude hotspot (quote from the IPCC report). Can you please explain to the court why there is zero evidence of the existence of this hot spot?”

*yes I know, a mixed metaphor!

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Richard from Brooklyn (south)
September 29, 2018 7:35 pm

Richard,

Where in the Vostok ice cores is there evidence that climate has changed as quickly previously as it has in historic times? I wasn’t aware of such evidence, and it’s very hard to see from graphs, since the ice cores are usually graphed in thousands of years.

Although climate has changed quickly in the past, especially abrupt changes have been associated with mass extinctions.

” I was interested in the mid latitude hot spot as that seemed to be the core plank of the AGW theory.”

I’m not sure, but are you perhaps confusing the mid-latitude hot spot with the mid-troposphere hot spot? I haven’t heard of the mid-latitude hot spot being a plank of the AGW theory.

You might be interested in this paper:
https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/campuspress.yale.edu/dist/7/538/files/2016/01/Herman2015Geology_Mid-latitude-glacial-erosion-hotspot-related-to-equatorial-shifts-in-southern-Westerlies-2548j76.pdf

Richard from Brooklyn South
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 29, 2018 9:27 pm

Kristi,
My references to Vostok were historical rapid changes, certainly not current. What interested me was that one paper suggested that once the cores were divided more the change appeared to occur in a shorter time frame. The types of rapid changes I was thinking of were the Younger Dryas type, not the mass extinction associated ones, what ever may in fact have cause those extinctions

Yes, by mid latitude I meant mid altitude or troposphere, my error. Thanks for the reference. (my excuse: I was in a rush to participate in the Distinguished Gentlemen’s motorbike “DGR” Ride for research into Prostate cancer and mental health and suicide awareness.)

tty
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 30, 2018 9:48 am

You wont find any very fast changes in the Vostok or EPICA cores, accumulation in interior east Antarctica is so slow that fast changes are invisible. Take a look at high-accumulation Greenland cores instead:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235239535_The_Holocene-Younger_Dryas_Transition_Recorded_at_Summit_Greenland

Shifting from glacial to interglacial climate (about 5 degrees C) in 50 years or less. That is fast climate change.

And it wasn’t the only time either:

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September 29, 2018 2:20 pm

I’ve slogged through many of the IPCC’s reports and many of the papers they reference. The science has gotten more and more speculative while decreasing the stated uncertainty. The summary for policymakers has become more and more alarmist.

I have yet to find any single reference that applies the laws of physics to support the plausibility of any part of the ECS range claimed by the IPCC. The closest they get to theoretical plausibility is by introducing massive amplification by positive feedback, which isn’t even physics as it’s misapplied and otherwise wrong for many other reasons.

Chaamjamal
September 29, 2018 2:26 pm

Appears the point here is that 97% consensus isn’t really something to brag about. I would strongly agree sir.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/05/06/consensus-science/

September 29, 2018 2:32 pm

“Name of the Rose” w/ Sean Connery.
Good movie.
Best line: “Doubt is the enemy of faith.”

Reply to  Nick Schroeder,BSME, PE
September 29, 2018 6:01 pm

The effect of doubt on faith depends on how it’s handled. If you hide from your doubts, they may corrode your faith. However if you meet them head on, do the research and make adjustments as necessary, doubt can ultimately promote faith.

James Clarke
September 29, 2018 2:33 pm

Thank you, Dr. Ball. I enjoyed your article. It made me question how much of the IPCC material I have read. I was pretty good at reading the WG1 sections in the first couple of IPCC reports, but my knowledge of what was in them only seemed to piss people off. And my suggestion that other people should read them really seemed to make people mad. They didn’t have time for that.

Since then, I stopped reading them myself. They were obviously irrelevant! The science was and is irrelevant.

We have computer models, and that is all that matters now. (God have mercy on our souls!)

Walt D.
September 29, 2018 3:11 pm

Just substitute the free variables in the Lewandowski/Cook Fallacy:
97% of people who believe in Santa Claus, also believe in Anthropogenic Global Climate Change.
Therefore 97% of people who believe in Anthropogenic Global Climate Change, also believe in Santa Claus.

Chad Irby
September 29, 2018 3:37 pm

“Let’s tell them that 100% of scientists agree with the AGW theory!”
“Naah, all it takes is one guy, and they know we’re lying.”
“How about ninety-nine?”
“Ninety-nine percent sounds like a soap commercial.”
“Ninety-eight?”
“An even number. Boring.”
“Ninety… seven?”
“Hm. Yeah, that sounds good. We can work with ninety-seven. Tell you what: call up thirty of your buddies, and I’ll get one guy who doesn’t agree completely. We’ll ask if there’s, oh, ‘significant doubt,’ let the one guy disagree, and there you go.”
“Done!”

Zigmaster
September 29, 2018 3:48 pm

The comment 97% of scientists even if true is not relevant because it doesn’t consider the real AGW dilemma , ” can man do something about it ? “. Despite years of R & D and trillions of dollars to find solutions there is absolutely zero impact on temperature or climate change. It is this futility that should drive the agenda. Ie Do nothing to change the climate but adjust to things in the future, such as making electricity as cheap as possible so that everyone can afford to buy and run an air conditioner ( the only real way to control temperature.

Kenji
September 29, 2018 4:18 pm

97% of my medical doctors INSIST that high cholesterol levels will GIVE me a heart attack. They are so overwhelmingly convinced, that they prescribed Statin-drugs (2 of em) for me to take daily, to counteract my onetime slightly elevated levels (despite my congenitally very high “good” cholesterol numbers) … and worse … convinced my Health Insurance plan to pay for these drugs with no argument.

But they have all been proven WRONG.

Now what happens if they’ve all conspired to shorten my life with their garbage Statins? Can I get the Sierra Club to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of these polluters of my bloodstream? Or does the Sierra Club have deeper pockets to fleece somewhere else?

September 29, 2018 4:36 pm

Regarding the Hollcast its my understanding that its the figure of 6 million which is disputed, and that millions more, of different faiths also died at the hands of some of the German people. Regarding the IPCC’s summery, I recall the various eposodes of Yes Minister and Yes PM, when Sir Humphy puts the big volumme of reports on to Hackers desk, then produces the one page “Summery”. Which does the minister read, the summery of course.

We now know that even the summery is not writton by scientists but representatives of many countries, mostly the under developed ones of course. . And that they argue over every dot and comma too.

MJE

John Robertson
September 29, 2018 4:44 pm

Good comment there Tim Ball, I have slogged through two of those reports.
When Jim Prentice was Minister of the Environment I asked his office,in writing, for the name of the person who accepted these findings on behalf of Canada.
Naturally the Non answer was”We at Environment Canada defer to the findings of the IPCC”.
That was their reply to every question.
Recently I reread the Emperor’s New Clothes.
Strikes me this was the instruction manual for the orchestration of this narrative.
Our bureaucracies are corrupt to the core, this scam has exposed their greed and stupidity.
I now regard Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming,even when referred to as Climate Change as an intelligence test.
One that most government educated citizens fail.

John Robertson
Reply to  John Robertson
September 29, 2018 4:51 pm

In a related incident I swear I heard the same zombie who wrote the official ministerial replies, on a recent Utube ,where a minion in Toronto is informing Faith Goldie that they cannot run her election adds.
Same brain dead obedience and constant repeating of same words .
Spewing forth the talking points ignoring the question.
Which is the modus of Team CAGW/CC.

Jack Dale
September 29, 2018 4:53 pm

Why do I seldom see a critique of this consensus study?

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0270467617707079?journalCode=bsta

rd50
Reply to  Jack Dale
September 30, 2018 6:49 am

Thank you for the site. Unfortunately this article is not open access so it will take a few days before I get it.
What is most interesting at this site are two articles listed about “consensus” and both are open access PDF file downloadable.
One by Landrum et al. on GMO also discussed climate change. Very interesting to read how they arrived at their conclusion. Long article will take a while to digest.
The other by Russill is on climate change, a very different approach. Worth reading also.

September 29, 2018 4:53 pm

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A new article, called “It is worse than we thought – by Latitude”.

https://agree-to-disagree.com/it-is-worse-than-we-thought-by-latitude

A detailed bar chart, shows information about 8 latitude bands.

• 90N to 66N – [the Arctic] – approximately 4% of the Earth
• 66N to 38N – approximately 15% of the Earth
• 38N to 18N – approximately 15% of the Earth
• 18N to Equ – approximately 15% of the Earth
• Equ to 18S – approximately 15% of the Earth
• 18S to 38S – approximately 15% of the Earth
• 38S to 66S – approximately 15% of the Earth
• 66S to 90S – [the Antarctic] – approximately 4% of the Earth

There are 5 temperature categories. Each temperature category shows how much the “theoretical” temperature has increased, since 1880. These are:

• red – the temperature has increased by more than 2.0 degrees Celsius
• orange – the temperature has increased by between 1.5 and 2.0 degrees Celsius
• yellow – the temperature has increased by between 1.0 and 1.5 degrees Celsius
• green – the temperature has increased by between 0.0 and 1.0 degrees Celsius
• blue – the temperature has increased by less than 0.0 degrees Celsius (i.e. the temperature has cooled)

Red and orange can be used to see how much of each latitude band is above the IPCC’s temperature targets, of 1.5 and 2.0 degrees Celsius.

Yellow, green, and blue are all below the temperature target of 1.5 degrees Celsius. However, yellow can be used to see how much of each latitude band is near the 1.5 degrees Celsius temperate target.

Robert Stewart
September 29, 2018 5:01 pm

Dr. Ball, this is one of your most effective essays. Well done!

MarkW
Reply to  Robert Stewart
September 30, 2018 7:59 am

You can tell how effective it has been by the number of alarmists who have come here to trash Dr. Ball.
Not one of them has attempted to refute anything he has written.
As usual.

gnomish
September 29, 2018 5:04 pm

i don’t have to read any papers or attend any movies or submit to exhortations or even care.
anybody is welcome to HIS OWN opinion- not mne.
muh RIGHTS .
leave me and mine alone.
that is all.