The New York City Climate Museum… Really?

Guest ridicule by David Middleton

Signs of climate change pop up in New York — really

In New York, message boards usually used to announce traffic shifts or construction delays are warning of the consequences of climate change. (Stuart Faith)

September 9

A trip to a New York park may offer an emblematic view of the Manhattan skyline and New York Harbor, or a relaxing glimpse of green foliage. But these days, those scenes may be partially blocked by a blinking sign with an unusual message.

[…]

The signs are the work of Justin Brice Guariglia, an artist and environmental activist whose work is sanctioned by the city. Called “Climate Signals,” the exhibit runs through Nov. 6.

Presented by the Climate Museum, in partnership with the mayor’s office, the exhibition includes 10 solar-powered signs installed in parks around the city.

[…]

Washington Post

Wait a second… Aren’t Manhattan-sized icebergs supposed to be a sign of Gorebal Warming?

Just Google it

Glacier half the size of Manhattan breaks off Greenland | CBC News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greenland-glacier-calving-1.4742691

 

Jul 12, 2018 – The water roiled as the new icebergs rolled and crashed. Then the larger chunk of ice, estimated to be roughly half the size of New York’s …

Iceberg 4.5 Times the Size of Manhattan Breaks Off Antarctic Glacier

https://www.livescience.com › Planet Earth

 

Sep 26, 2017 – An iceberg 4.5 times the size of Manhattan just calved from a glacier in … news from Pine Island Glacier, which lost 267km2 of icebergs today, …

News – Iceberg half the size of Manhattan breaks off glacier: WATCH …

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/…june…size…manhattan/106485

 

Jul 12, 2018 – Year, 2018, 2017, 2018, 2017. ENVIRONMENT | Melting Glaciers. Iceberg half the size ofManhattan breaks off glacier: WATCH …

Pine Island Glacier: Manhattan-sized Antarctica iceberg breaks off

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/…size-manhattan…/703578001/

 

Sep 26, 2017 – The U.S. National Ice Center measured the iceberg at 71.5 square miles, about three times the size of Manhattan. Previous media reports had the iceberg at over 100 square miles.

An iceberg four times the size of Manhattan broke off a glacier in …

https://www.theverge.com/…/pine-island-glacier-iceberg-melting-climate-change-sea-l…

Sep 25, 2017 – A chunk of ice four and a half times the size of Manhattan fell off an … Icebergs calve off Antarctica all the time, but the chunks of ice that broke …

Just when you think the Warmunists have reached the human limits of stupidity… The Climate Museum

WHY DO WE NEED A CLIMATE MUSEUM?
This is what you had to say…

CLIMATE CHANGE IS THE CHALLENGE OF OUR GENERATION, AND A MUSEUM CAN INSPIRE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
– Brian

BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH MUSEUMS COVER CLIMATE.
– Jonathan

Dude!  Check out the American Museum of Natural History… It’s right-fracking there in New York City.

 

Climate Museum Status

This can be the Climate Museum’s first exhibit!

And they can show this in their IMAX theater!

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September 11, 2018 7:25 am

In the early 1970s it was predicted that the world would warm:

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sawyer.pdf

Guess what? It did!

http://berkeleyearth.org/land-and-ocean-data/

Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 8:55 am

… and my latest, assuming I’ve done it reasonably well:

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Bryan A
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 11, 2018 10:12 am

what is needed is massive Facebook image blitzes of people standing at those e-boards with signs saying “Would you really prefer there be Ice Bergs here in the Hudson?”
“Be careful what you wish for, Mile High Ice and Calving Bergs were here 15,000 years ago”
Another great opportunity to publicly ridicule AGW proponents

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Bryan A
September 11, 2018 11:20 am

Bryan A

“Be careful what you wish for, Mile High Ice and Calving Bergs were here 15,000 years ago”

Rather: “Be careful what you wish for, Commodore Vanderbilt earned his reputation as a captain by threading his way between the Hudson River and New York City ice fields around Staten Island only 200 years ago!”

Paul
Reply to  Bryan A
September 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Now that would be a great practical joke. Tow an iceberg into Nrw York port in the middle of the night.

Reply to  Bryan A
September 16, 2018 6:52 pm

I wish Trump would call them on it and say we need to fight climate change so that Canada is beneath a mile thick glacier.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 8:13 am

“It is not too difficult to infer from these numbers that the variation in the radiation budget from a changed CO2 concentration can be compensated for completely without any variation in the surface temperature when the cloudiness is increased by +0.006 or the water vapor content is decreased by -0.07 cm l.e.”

That is priceless! 🙂

ATheoK
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 5:19 pm

Don’t overlook one of Hansen’s 1988 cornerstone predictions. Approximately, on page 16; where Hansen predicts”

“HANSEN E’I’ AL.: MODEL FORECASTS OF GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANCES”,
“Days Per’ Year with T > 95°F (35°C)”
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A claim that the NYT tried to obfuscate by focusing on and presenting modeled 90°F days as actual temperatures.

Which Ryan Maue promptly busted:https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1036429627059855360/photo/1

Where a greater number of 95°F days would naturally entail a greater number of 90°F days.
Not greater? Busted! Even when Betts bet on the fake alarms.

Phillip Bratby
Reply to  Richard Betts
September 11, 2018 7:54 am

Thank goodness we are no longer in the Little Ice Age. Warm is good, cold is bad.

HotScot
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
September 11, 2018 8:10 am

Phillip

Seconded.

I fail to understand the value of frozen poles.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2018 8:12 am

All that ice is getting in the way of extracting the resources of the arctic and antarctic.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
September 11, 2018 8:41 am

MarkW

Plugging 90 odd volcanoes though. I suppose from that perspective it’s useful.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2018 8:53 am

As long as the volcanoes aren’t climate changing in size, what’s wrong with more CO2 and some volcanic ash for fertilizing?

Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2018 9:03 am

I fail to understand the value of frozen poles.

That’s easy — the reason is Santa Clause — without the northern frozen pole, the greatest childhood myth of all time would be threatened. No North Pole, no Santa, … mercy me, then we’d have to tell all the children that Santa and his flying pets no longer had a home. THAT would be worse than the polar bear myth.

It’s all about the children, you see. Kill the North Pole, and you kill Santa.

John Endicott
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 11, 2018 9:37 am

Santa can relocate to the South Pole. Even of all the ice melted there (not gonna happen) there’s actually land under that ice.

Bryan A
Reply to  John Endicott
September 11, 2018 10:15 am

And no great white bears to eat the elves

H.R.
Reply to  Bryan A
September 11, 2018 1:37 pm

Yah, but… there’s penguin crap everywhere. It’s worse than geese on a golf course.

Bryan A
Reply to  H.R.
September 11, 2018 2:20 pm

Don’t eat Snow with Grey Poupon

John Endicott
Reply to  H.R.
September 12, 2018 10:40 am

Santa’s elves already have to clean up the raindeer crap, so they can add the penguin crap to their clean-up duties 🙂

ATheoK
Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2018 5:22 pm

Which is why many of them emigrated to Canada and America, accepting various offers like Farming in Canada and coal mining in America.

They still got frozen.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2018 6:28 pm

Apparently you’ve never been to Poland.

Paul
Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2018 7:16 pm

It keeps the alien monsters frozen! (See H.P. Lovecraft, “The Blob”, “The Thing”, etc.)

gnomish
Reply to  Richard Betts
September 11, 2018 8:46 am

you are so amazing, betts.
for your next act, maybe u can get grants to pay for establishing that water is wet.
cuz any kind of productive work is out of the question

Susan
Reply to  Richard Betts
September 11, 2018 9:15 am

Regression to the mean.

J Mac
Reply to  Richard Betts
September 11, 2018 12:06 pm

Rather than ‘remembering’ trivial chimera offered by faux alarmist, let’s take a moment to remember real and present dangers to civil societies.
Today is 9/11/2018. 9/11/2001. Never Forget…..
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Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Richard Betts
September 11, 2018 12:44 pm

Guess what? At any point in time, the climate is likely to either a)warm some, or b)cool some, even though the measurements themselves are imprecise and subject to error. In any case, a blind monkey has a 50/50 chance of guessing right, which way it goes.

John Tillman
Reply to  Richard Betts
September 16, 2018 7:18 pm

Richard,

Given the then already known, multidecadal natural cyclic variation in global temperature (practically impossible to measure precisely), it was reasonable to assume in the 1970s that Earth would warm slightly. But many scientists nevertheless expected the pronounced cooling trend since the 1940s dangerously to continue.

The cooling from the end of WWII until the PDO flip of 1977 occurred despite steadily rising CO2.

David Paul Zimmerman
September 11, 2018 7:30 am

sarc/ I am confused. I thought we were still in an ice age as there is still ice existing in glaciers and at the poles.
Still waiting on the start of the interglacial when earth is ice free. Glad I am in Ohio, it will not be under water. /sarc

JonScott
Reply to  David Paul Zimmerman
September 11, 2018 7:46 am

The Earth IS in an Interglacial, a brief respite befor the glaciation gets back to it’s ugly best. That is what is so profoundly shocking about the handwringers tale….and that this has been taken up by Western Governments, supported by those who see an opportunity for free cash ( Fiji et al).

Tom Halla
September 11, 2018 7:31 am

It would take quite a large exhibit to go through the climate and other environmental predictions that failed to actually happen. The Paul Ehrlich Hall could be a start.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 11, 2018 9:40 am

the Paul Hall could be located next to the Silent Spring Wing

honest liberty
September 11, 2018 7:39 am

“We are building a religion
We are building it bigger
We are widening the corridors
And adding more lanes

We are building a religion
A limited edition
We are now accepting callers
For these pendant key chains

To resist it is useless
It is useless to resist it”

_Cake, Comfort Eagle. How prescient

Craig
September 11, 2018 7:42 am

A climate museum will be very appropriate once the AGW myth is debunked for good.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Craig
September 11, 2018 8:15 am

Yes, there’s a big story the Climate Museum has to tell but it’s not about the climate, it’s about the climate fraud.

beng135
September 11, 2018 7:49 am

David, fixed the title on the first pic for ya:

Signs of climate change pop up poop in New York — really

September 11, 2018 7:49 am

Will the museum have a display for the TCRE? Transient Climate Response to Cumulative Emissions? And the carbon budgets for 1.5C and 2C derived from the TCRE?

https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/05/06/tcr-transient-climate-response/

dodgy geezer
September 11, 2018 7:58 am

Surely a ‘Climate Museum’ is simply a long passage which is hot and dry at one end, and cold and wet at the other…..?

Reply to  dodgy geezer
September 11, 2018 9:16 am

No, a climate museum would consist of a series of staircases, going up and down to different levels — up to a level that was warm, where exhibits of life characteristic of this climate might have thrived, down to a level that was cold, then up again, then down again, … you get the idea.

There would be lots of stair climbing involved, the effort of which would symbolize successive life struggles out of one ice age, into a warm age, and then back down to another ice age, up again, down again, …

There would be no handicapped or special needs accommodations to get up and down those stairs either, because we would want to keep it real, where only the physically strongest could do the tour. And the tour would even be timed for the strongest, in order to weed out the strongest and most intelligent of the bunch. You would have to be fit, fast, and intelligent to compete in this setting. Each top winner would receive a t-shirt that reads, “I’m glad to be alive”.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 11, 2018 10:08 pm

They should have ladders going up and snakes for sliding down.

Tom Abbott
September 11, 2018 8:18 am

What exactly does “No Icebergs Ahead” mean in this regard. I think I have missed the activist’s message.

beng135
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 8:38 am

Success(!) — they pretty much got rid of white males.

John Garrett
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 8:52 am

Unfortunately, that’s a photograph of some victims. The Board of Trustees claim to be adults.

MarkW
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 8:57 am

Scroll down the page a bit to find the adults who are the real power.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 9:01 am

One of the functions of a BoD for a non-profit is to come up with the money to sustain operations. Often, the BoD itself kicks in lots of cash. Maybe these folks are wealthy?

Steve O
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
September 11, 2018 9:28 am

The actual board members are on the bottom half of the page. The picture is just a bunch of kids.

John Endicott
Reply to  Steve O
September 11, 2018 9:43 am

Using kids as human shields. typical of the left/alarmists.

Craig
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 9:02 am

“The Climate Museum will be a vibrant cultural institution that researches, collects, and houses climate data …”

There’s a novel idea.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 10:12 pm

I am constantly impressed by their inventiveness in ways to take other people’s money for no effort of their own.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Middleton
September 12, 2018 5:54 am

debunkhouse? Did you give it that name, David? 🙂

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Middleton
September 12, 2018 7:38 pm

Interesting. Thanks.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 11, 2018 8:55 am

Ask anyone aboard the Titanic. No icebergs ahead is a good thing.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 11, 2018 9:44 am

What exactly does “No Icebergs Ahead” mean in this regard

presumably it’s meant to be a bad thing. However, as life thrives in a warmer world, No icebergs ahead would actually be a good thing.

HDHoese
September 11, 2018 8:25 am

We already have museums of a similar sort, government funded, and I am paying taxes, local and federal for them. It is on the Rockport Beach–the Mission-Aransas Research Reserve. It is still out of action from Harvey, built too low on the beach. There was no significant storm surge there, but somehow damaged enough not to be yet reopened. At the University of Texas Marine Laboratory in Port Aransas, the Reserve addition had solar panels at a near 45 degree angle, ended up on the ground with roof damage. Building is stuck up high, saying “blow me over,” but wind was kind this time. The NOAA Research Reserve program is all over the country.

https://missionaransas.org/bay-education-center

Click on Science on a Sphere. Looked like a planetarium.
Google Earth was kind enough to put up a post hurricane view shortly after the storm, but they have been changing things around so not sure if it is still there.

I don’t know where we get coastal architects these days, but marine science administrators may be too much isolated to know what’s going on. There are also some similar coastal academic buildings around. Others, non academic, but also too high, are already being put back up in storm area. It’s not as if we didn’t have Katrina, Rita, Ike, etc.

Rule number one, build not too high, not too low.
Rule number two, see rule number one.
Rule number three, don’t stick pretty cosmetic stuff up in the wind field.
There are more.

Farmer Ch E retired
September 11, 2018 9:08 am

Here’s museum-quality information you aren’t going to find in the NY City Climate Museum. It’s from the Gallatin History Museum (Bozeman, MT). It describes 27 cross-sections of large-diameter trees recently exposed along the margin of a melting ice patch in eastern Greater Yellowstone. The trees are located ~250 meters above the nearest modern treeline of equivalent size trees. Wood anatomy indicates the trees were all a species of 5-needle pine, with distinct transverse dimpling, suggesting they are most likely whitebark pine (Pinus albicaulis).

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
September 11, 2018 9:27 am

. . . so during the mid-Holocene when pre-industrial CO2 concentrations were ~130 ppm lower than today (~270 ppm plus or minus), the treeline was ~250 meters higher.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
September 11, 2018 6:33 pm

Receding treeline. I think they have pills for that now.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 11, 2018 7:58 pm

Where’s the social justice? My treeline has been receding proportional to rising CO2 emissions!

John F. Hultquist
September 11, 2018 9:34 am

. . . the size of Manhattan . . .

This just shows the narrow-mindedness of the folks that write this stuff.
Those west of the Delaware River have no clue about size of Manhattan, while knowing the size of
Greenland, or Argentina, namely big! Their sizes are important.
It is the function of Manhattan that is important — not its size.

Regular people go to Yellowstone, let’s compare:
Yellowstone National Park: 3,468.4 sq.mi (8,983.18 km2)
Manhattan: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22.8 sq mi (59.1 km2)

Of course those chunks of ice are curious things, but of little importance.

Bryan A
Reply to  David Middleton
September 11, 2018 12:18 pm

Or Lake Michigan’s worth of Ash spewed into the stratosphere?
Or Olympic Sized Pools of Magma?

September 11, 2018 9:45 am

The Climate Museum will provide a home base for a wave of vibrant and robust engagement with the climate challenge. A locus for possibility, it will cultivate a shared identity for a new and inspiring climate citizenship. It will be a landmark in the New York City cultural landscape, drawing us together around the social justice, public health, and urban design challenges and opportunities presented by climate change.

“vibrant”
“robust”
“engagement”
“locus of possibility”
“shared identity”
“climate citizenship”
“cultural landscape”
“social justice”

Clearly, this is non-profit speak. Who, in the real world, even talks like that? (^_^) I might seem sexist, but the writing style has a distinctly flowery, feminine tone to it.

Here, let me make a serious attempt to butch it up a bit and make it a little less abstract:

The Climate Museum will provide a center for people from all walks of life to focus on the challenges of a changing climate. As a place filled with different opportunities, it will cultivate a sense of shared purpose in meeting these challenges. It will be a landmark of New York City culture, serving to draw people together around themes of social justice, public health, and urban design, as these themes relate to climate change.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 11, 2018 9:58 am

Now let me make an attempt to ridicule it with what I think the real mission is:

The Climate Museum will provide a propaganda center, mainly for children or for those who choose to think like children on the subject of a changing climate. As a place devoid of all but consensus-approved opportunities, it will indoctrinate people with a sense of shared purpose based, not on facts, but on the fiction of human-caused climate change. It will be an eyesore of New York Culture, serving to conflate the themes of social justice, public health, urban design, and climate change in such a way as to make problems in any one of the former a direct result of the latter.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 11, 2018 11:58 am

Well done, sir, well done! Plus one for you!

Bruce Cobb
September 11, 2018 12:00 pm

I believe they are referring to “iceberg beliefs” – ideas or emotions which drive you, but which sit mostly below the surface of your consciousness. More psychobabble.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 11, 2018 8:55 pm

Iceberg Ideation.

September 11, 2018 4:09 pm

These days, anything at all is seen as climate change. Even the sun rising in the morning or the advent of spring can be seen as climate change. The absence of a horrendous Ice Age, disastrous as it would be, is seen as dangerous Climate Change, These people need to go in for a brain overhaul before they suffer a terminal meltdown.

tty
September 12, 2018 12:52 pm

“…Iceberg half the size ofManhattan breaks off glacier…”

Those are small icebergs, I’ve personally seen bigger ones even on a run-of-the-mill tourist trip to Antarctica.

Now take iceberg B-9, the one that caused so much trouble to the “Ship of Fools” a few years ago. It was about as large as the state of Delaware when it broke off from the Ross Shelf in 1987. Today, after thirty years of breakup and melting it has shrunk so it is now barely bigger than Rhode Island.

That is a big iceberg.

Phil.
Reply to  tty
September 13, 2018 8:26 am

A68 which broke off last year and is starting to move away from the Larsen-C ice shelf is even bigger than B-9 was.

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