From the University of New Hampshire and the “best day fishing is still better than the best day worrying over climate change” department.
DURHAM, N.H. – Whether it’s casting a fishing line, launching a boat, or taking a dip to cool off, most people heading to a lake rarely think about how climate change is impacting their overall recreation experience. However, more often than not, it does. Research at the University of New Hampshire shows that as unfavorable water quality conditions in lakes continue to rise, anglers, boaters and beach goers are using various coping mechanisms that can alter their behavior, from switching to a different location or activity to simply abandoning the experience altogether.
“Some of these people are driving two to three hundred miles to take a lake vacation, only to arrive to a sign that says the beach is closed because of E. coli,” said Michael Ferguson, assistant professor of recreation management and policy. “Increasing water temperatures and fluctuating water levels, as a result of global climate change, are expected to intensify these adverse environmental conditions and researchers and natural resource managers need to better understand how it effects the behaviors and habits of recreationists so that they can educate the public and better prepare for future conditions.”
In the study, researchers looked at the coping behavior of recreationists along the 77 miles of the Pennsylvania Lake Erie coastline. The popular destination for outdoor enthusiasts is home to a multitude of public parks and recreation facilities with beaches, fishing piers, and boat launches with over 4.2 million annual visitors each year. The concern by scientists and natural resource managers is that ongoing water quality issues such as harmful algal blooms and E. coli bacteria could impact the way visitors perceive the physical environment and effect their overall recreation experience. Researchers surveyed visitors in 13 publicly accessible coastal parks and protected areas and found that those aware of, and impacted by, water quality issues on any given day often altered their behavior to cope with the situation. In some cases, swimmers postponed their plunge until later in the day, anglers decided to travel further into deeper waters or headed to another inland lake, and some visitors ultimately decided to leave and were not likely to return.
“While this study took place in the Great Lakes, this is just a snapshot of what is happening to many similar bodies of water across the country,” said Ferguson. “This is a very real problem. From a recreational standpoint, these coping mechanisms could have a large impact on not only the public who are looking to enjoy the lakes, but also on the towns and surrounding areas that depend on the outdoor recreation and tourism economy.”
According to the Outdoor Industry Association, consumers spend $887 billion annually on outdoor recreation and the industry creates 7.6 million jobs. The pervasive presence of global climate change suggests the severity of environmental conditions will likely continue to increase. The researchers say along with trying to combat these environmental changes, more effective policies and procedures are needed to better educate the public and help them, and natural resource managers, cope and adapt to a changing environment.
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The Climate Change industry is driving me to insanity and is corrupting all of science. The world has now become an Alice in Wonderland because of climate scientists and their evil crusade. BTW I spoke to a brain researcher at the University of Ottawa and he agreed with me that believing in a religion makes you dumber. He said there haven’t been any controlled studies on this and they would be expensive to do. He also added that the main Christian and Muslim religious lobbies would prevent any such study to be undertaken and it would never get funding.
“believing in a religion makes you dumber”
Really Alan?
Since your unnamed brain researcher friend doesn’t have any empirical studies to demonstrate this, is there a parallel with climate science where supposedly 97% of the researchers in his field believe that anyway?
If believing in religion makes people dumber, why is it that “it is the religiously unaffiliated, not those who identify with a religious tradition, who are particularly likely to say the Earth is warming due to human activity?”
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/22/religion-and-views-on-climate-and-energy-issues/
https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/29062-why-climate-change-is-a-state-church-issue
“main Christian and Muslim religious lobbies would prevent any such study”
Ah, a conspiracy! Do you have any evidence for that?
Strong religious belief and values protect you from the random bs used by tyrants everywhere to baffle peoples’ brains.
I am reminded of this wisdom from WW2.
We live in something like an earthly paradise. We are in that lucky position because of the beliefs and values of our ancestors. The postmodern neo-marxists who infect our universities want us to forget that.
The neo-marxist utopia is the same as the old-marxist utopia. In the twentieth century, communist regimes killed as many as 100 million people. The communists make that German feller look like a moderate. link
If religious belief is protection against marxism, it can hardly be called dumb.
Well in that case, with the coming socialist/ marxist rhetoric that is about to break on us like an avalanche , us atheists and religious fanatics will be protected from it.
Marxism is itself a religion. It does not withstand examination. AGW-same thing only different.
I find it fascinating that even though there have been no controlled studies, both you and your friend agree that without any question, believing in religion makes you dumber.
You are doing an excellent job of demonstrating that a belief in atheism totally eliminates the ability to think critically.
The most abusive religion of them all has got to be atheism.
By its very definition atheism cannot be a religion as they don’t worship anything nor utter incantations for hopeful outcomes?
I suspect you are confusing religion with a life philosophy.
I always thought it odd that we even needed to invent a word like atheist. We don’t have similar titles for people who don’t believe in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny or Santa Claus.
“Atheists” worship themselves !!… D’OH !
If the behavior of the acolytes is indistinguishable, why make a distinction.
BTW, is Buddhism a religion?
Anything that you have to take on faith, is a religion, and that includes atheism.
… the clue is in the word. i.e a … theist. It is the absence of faith/religion. Being a-theist does not mean you “believe” in another, alternative, supernatural entity.
Anyway, pointless discussion because religion is, by its very nature, faith without scientific evidence – and you either do believe in a supernatural, all knowing being – or you don’t. No one is going to convert anyone here with some “killer” piece of logic.
It is worth noting though, whichever side you are on, that only one side is actually right. Factually therefore, there are literally billions of people on this planet today that are totally “deluded” (i.e. they believe wholehearted something is true – but it really isn’t) on something so fundamental to our very beings/existence.
I was given a very useful definition of religion as a child – it is your world-view, and the way you live your life according to it. Now, you can call that “life philosophy”. I call it religion. The Book of Nature tells us what we are made of. The Book of Scripture tells us why we were made. Sit back some time and ponder why you, or I, or any of us are here. Not any easy question to answer objectively – needs some belief in something.
Atheism at its root means “against God”. It is an active disbelief, a positive claim that there is absolutely no God, unlike agnosticism which is “I don’t know.
Which is why I’ve been saying that it takes as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in a God.
…By its very definition atheism cannot be a religion….
Can’t believe in nothing eh? As W.C. Fields put it “Everybody’s gotta believe in something… I believe I’ll have another drink!
I rest my case
cheers
MarkW :
Sorry……but no ! Atheism IS DEMONSTRABLY a form of religion !
It has it’s own tenets and dogma in “vehemently proclaiming it’s LACK
of belief in Gods” while still behaving as NON-THEISTS and
exhibiting forms of ‘superstition’.”
I think that the “human condition” has belief systems programmed
deeply into it !
Since there is NO TANGIBLE PROOF either way , most people ACT
as though there was a “supervisory entity” and call it a “conscience” ,
which conveniently allows them to behave in a DECENT MANNER
( socially acceptable ) AND as an independent entity
whilst engaging in SECULAR activities.
Therefore , ATHEISM is a LACK OF BELIEF but with a “back-up” ,
just in case , “get-out-clause” sort of situation.
Most ATHEISTS that I encounter are thoroughly DECENT PEOPLE and
harm no one ;but we live in the “first world”….so I can’t speak for the others.
YOU SAY :”The most abusive religion of them all has got to be atheism.”
If by that you mean COMMUNISTS or MARXISTS then you are NOT
talking about ATHEISTS.
Their “GOD” is whoever WAS STRONG ENOUGH to take charge !
They imbue their leaders with “god-like” qualities and defer and
genuflect to them JUST AS THEY WOULD TO A DEITY or as the
Mongols did with Genghis Khan or the Chinese and Japanese did
with their own Emperors !
No ! I think that the MOST ABUSIVE RELIGION is
whichever one REVERTS to it’s most basic , primitive ,
FUNDAMENTALIST STATE…. and at the moment that is ISLAM !
“believing in a religion makes you dumber”
Well, that explains Isaac Newton, who was religious, and Robert Boyle, who was religious, and Ibn al-Haytham, who was religious, and Johannes Kepler, who was religious, and … shall I go on?
It seems to me that the foundation of modern science comes from people who had a religion. By your logic, these people were dumber and would have done a lot more if they were atheist. That notion is absurd.
He’s had these contradictions pointed out to him before.
Unfortunately he clings to his beliefs with a religious fervor and refuses to challenge them.
I haven’t seen any evidence that there is a god. Where’s the “faith” in that position?
Saying it’s a “faith” does not make it one. That’s just dogma.
Does believing in religion make one dumber?
There is no way to quantify that, but when Richard Dawkins wrote some years ago that non-believers were ” brights”, he did not get much support even from non-believers. Not too bright an idea from an otherwise very bright man.
Are you really that dumb or are you just practicing to be a liberal politician ?? ( from an Agnostic person ) !!
Marcus,
.. (from an Agnostic person)!!..
Agnosticism is smart.. Keeps the options open!
Cheers
Mike
Somehow, some way, they always manage to squeak “climate change” in there. Amazing how they do that. Must take years of practice.
Has any one yet found an activity that does not cause Climate change?
Is there any activity that improves life due to climate change?
Ask any Liberal and you will be rewarded with their Gomer Pyle expression.
No, not years. A liberal education in yellow journalism. or maybe a PhD in recreation management.
“Michael Ferguson, assistant professor of recreation management and policy. “
E. coli and excessive nutrients in most lakes is due to human’s moving in and around lakes in relatively large numbers. Most of these “new” homes do not have modern sewage but instead septic tanks. Septic tanks are biological systems and if not used regularly they don’t function properly. Many of the homes also have landscaped property that is fertilized and sprayed just like back home in town. Lakeshore development also requires changes in storm water management. Where drainage around a lake may have once been much slower after development it is speeded up dramatically if for no other reason than the now harden surfaces.
I oversaw a shellfish sanitation program. We had one area that continually had high coliform counts. Looking at circulation patterns and housing placement we could find no reason for human coliforms. Turned out when we tested further it was wildlife and the circulation patterns were not flushing the area as we all had believe it should.
This is yet another community planning infra-structure issue.
Neither global warming nor climate change causes these issues. Poor sanitation and poor city planning are 100% to blame for these situations.
It is an incredibly shameful dodge by the city planners and those responsible for doing the job to attempt to foist blame onto an amorphous natural phenomena such as climate change.
As populations increase so to must infrastructure expand and increase performance to merely keep up. Sadly even minor maintenance has been neglected, and now the chickens are returning to roost.
Oh my goodness! You found that Global Warming causes poor Community Infrastructure Planning! It must be researched! I’ll help you write the grant proposal.
. I think at least.
Yup! Phosphate and nitrate runoff from fertilized farmland id the main issue here. Likewise with destruction of The Great barrier Reef. Excessive and poorly controlled fertilizer runoff does a lot of the damage that is blamed on “warming”.
Anthony, wouldn’t that be “worst day fishing is better than the best day worrying about climate change”?
Yes. That’s what he meant.
The entire topic makes one want to take up day drinking.
So if I don’t like jellyfish on the beach, it is the result of climate change. Oh
“In the study, researchers looked at the coping behavior of recreationists along the 77 miles of the Pennsylvania Lake Erie coastline”
So they looked at a stretch of Lake Erie and discovered some problematic areas.
“While this study took place in the Great Lakes, this is just a snapshot of what is happening to many similar bodies of water across the country,” said Ferguson. “This is a very real problem”
This assistant Professor Michael Ferguson then states it is happening at other smaller lakes. The study doesn’t indicate that Other lakes were surveyed (at least that I can find). Were other lakes surveyed as part of this study or is the good Assistant Professor simply going to ASS-U-ME that they are likewise afflicted?
“the severity of environmental conditions will likely continue to increase”
“Forty-five years ago, Lake Erie was so polluted that TIME magazine warned it was “in danger of dying by suffocation.””
http://lakeeriealgae.com/
“often altered their behavior to cope with the situation.”…like when it starts raining while you’re in the store
E-Coli specifically is definitely a sewage processing problem. Someone hasn’t maintained their pipes or built sufficient capcity for stormwater and had an outfall excursion.
Almost certainly it’s a municipality who has skimped on necessary investments. They will then proceed to blame climate change to dry and deflect blame.
It’s almost routine.
Remember back in the day when we were told that Lake Erie was dead from pollution and would not return in our life times?
Formula for an alarmist article:
“Most people don’t think about how climate change affects X. But scientists expect that in the near future climate change will cause Y catastrophe to befall X, and cost you Z dollars. This prediction hasn’t happened yet despite having been predicted for the past 25 years, but models project that it will happen and the consensus of the right scientists is that it could happen sooner than you think and might even be worse than we thought.”
Then get a psychologist to explain how awful people will feel if this were to happen, and what hardships catastrophe Y will cause for the average reader. Show pictures photoshopped to illustrate what it might look like but be sure not to mention they are fake.
The climate change that we have been experiencing is happening so slowly that it takes a large network of rather sophisticated sensors decades to even detect it. Climate change has been going on for eons and will continue to go on whether mankind is here or not. Based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, one can conclude that the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero.
Lake Erie is the cesspool of the great lakes. Its problems are associated with mankind’s over population and not climate change.
Actually AGW is created by pretending we know what the temperature used to be-all over the world! A scientific fantasy that keeps the grant money coming in and supports the war on real science and industry.
Live Free or Die ……….at the hand of climate scare nags.
Now, now. UNH suffers from the same disease most places of “higher learning” appear to. In no way does it represent the great state of NH, or its ideals.
And this rubbish. Good grief these liars just never stop lying
https://www.sciencealert.com/climate-change-heat-wave-abnormally-hot-temperatures-suicide-rate-increase/amp
Let me get this straight,, A Professor in New Hampshire, instead of looking in New Hampshire Lakes for climate change, picks Lake Erie. A point, back in the sixties Lake Erie had the reputation of being the most polluted lake in North America. At one point it was declared “dead”. A small miracle was worked to get it too once again have fish living in the lake.
Cleaning it up is still a work in progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRDPqtj3DJE
michael
So I have spent about 15 minutes trying to find a record of great lakes temperature change and have struggled (I may not be very good at searching and I am not really that dedicated). However I did find this statement from a man who ought to know at Climate Central.
“It’s pretty safe to say that what we’re seeing here is the warmest that we’ve seen in Lake Superior in a century,” said Jay Austin, a professor at the University of Minnesota at Duluth, who has researched the lake’s water temperatures back to the beginning of the 20th century.
So can we assume from this that there has been no sustained change of the temperature of Lake Superior, especially given that there have been an unusual combination of weather leading to the high temperatures this year?
That quote you found from the Duluth guy was probably from around 2012. Since then they’ve been pretty quiet because everything has gone against their dire predictions. Lake Superior temperatures have not noticeably changed in my lifetime. None of the Great Lakes have noticeably changed.
https://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/statistic/avg-sst.php?lk=s&yr=0
Scotty P : THAT’S because you are so very YOUNG !
I can remember WHEN the Great Lakes were just great lumps of ice…..
MUCH too cold for E-Coli then !!
…..and as a footnote : Scotty…….don’t you P in my lake !!
10,000 years ago it was a block of ice. Now it’s in a liquid state. My model suggests that at the present rate it will boil away in approximately 7,000 years. Are you scared yet?
Extrapolation ala Mark Twain. Excellent!
By then the mouth of the Mississippi will be in Duluth. 😉
We live just off the Big Lake, at the far western end of the UP. Scotty P is spot on, the lake was warmer than usual in 2012… and water levels were lower too. The last 3 years or so, lake water levels have gone up significantly, and Lake Superior is as cold as it always is. Here, at the end of July, last time we took a dip it was at 62°F… in shallow water with a sandy bottom.
Hmmn. So [they] “studied” 13 high-traffic-density parks on the 77 miles of Lake Erie shoreline that belong to Pennsylvania. (These would, of course, be the specific spots with the highest possible human debris and dirt.)
From Wikipedia for Lake Erie,
So they spot- checked 13 locations on 77 miles of 800 miles of the shoreline?
Then got their funding and “permission to publish” by extrapolating these locations into the future for every lake in the world by claiming “climate change” = “man is harming the environment in catastrophic but unnamed ways in the future.”
Substitute the word “witches” or “space aliens” with “climate change” in the above article, and the meaning stays the same.
Did anyone notice the tragic story of people in Greece fleeing into the sea to escape fires, ‘to get away from Carbon Dioxide’? Just a mistake made by either the speaker or reporter, but would have been picked up and corrected by previous generations educated in basic science, whereas nowadays I’ll bet the young don’t know CO2’s unique properties.
elevated fresh water coli-form bacteria levels are almost always due to discharge of untreated/poorly treated raw sewage.
Anthropogenic – Yes.
CO2 related – No.
Too many people using these lakes as their sewers is the problem.
It’s not the number of people. It’s how good the sewage systems are. Do the digesters work? What’s the BOD in the effluent? Did they properly disinfect it before discharge?
And most importantly: Do they have an overflow of untreated sewage after every rain event because they weren’t build big enough.
Also, many people have no idea how to treat septic systems, especially if from the city. A septic system is only as good as its users.
All fluff and nutter nonsense without evidence, proof, logic or reality.
Conflating threats of E. Coli, caused by high fecal levels, with alleged climate change is a bizarre direct result of narcissist publicity desires.
To reduce lake swimming beach E. Coli requires:
A) Fix dysfunctional sewage systems.
B) Prevent dog parks and other canine fecal matter sources from washing E. Coli into lake water drainages.
C) Install waterfowl discouragement devices and penalize those daydreaming wannabe researchers who spend their days feeding lakeside waterfowl.
Yawwnn!
Let me know when the Great Lakes, at all depths, actually warm up above normal levels.
Lake Erie? Preposterous. Paul Erlich told us all the Great Lakes were going to dry up and disappear.
Wait… Were the Great Lakes going to dry up before or after the “battle to feed humanity” was lost?
None of the those jobs would exist without the energy industry. This is about stealing the wages of the people who work in the energy industry, and the old seniors pensions and handing it over to a bunch of bums and thieves.
Is there anything that happens outside that cannot, somehow, be tied into climate change?
The Minister of Energy and Climate Change of Canada was in the news just yesterday announcing the purchase of several thousand acres to add to a national park in Ontario. Good idea. But why did she have to justify the purchase as a way to fight climate change? The area was recently under consideration for a very large wind farm, and this too would have been done for climate change mitigation. Yes, of course.
“Climate change” – it’s the new “witchcraft”, but with “science”. So that makes it better.
Sorry about that. Just so you know, even the government doesn’t really pay any attention to her. She’s a photo-op, green, feel good kind of minister. She costs just as much a s a real one, unfortunately.
climate change is NOT a force and has NEVER caused any weather event
It’s probably climate change?
I don’t know if it is from Climate Change or not but it is from an ever changing climate
Lots of whining but no actual evidence shown !!
E Coli comes from fecal matter, what that getting into water has to do with climate change?
Well I suppose it really is a load of old ****.
Notice how they don’t even bother to demonstrate that the waters actually have warmed.
If the models say that it is warming, then it is and therefore the water must also have warmed.
No need to trouble yourself actually collecting data.
Hopefully my lake will be warmer up here in Canada.
This public informational sponsored by “Canadians for a Warmer Canada”.
Horse-pucky – – – or rather “gull-pucky” .
A major study published in May 2018 found that “In this case, [in looking for the cause of E. Coli outbreaks closing beaches] the team was looking at gull species. Across all of the sampling sites, gulls were identified as the major source of E. coli that led to beach closings.”
Gull poop — not climate change.
ref: DOI: 10.2134/jeq2017.11.0461
“Identifying and Eliminating Sources of Recreational Water Quality Degradation along an Urban Coast”, Journal of Environment Quality, May 2018
Meredith B. Nevers, et al.
As Reported in ScienceDaily.
I’ve noticed monarch butterflies clustering around seagull poop, apparently it is a food source when there is nothing else around. Maybe they need that before flying across a large body of water. Just saying … getting rid of gull poop … yes gull poop … may have unforeseen consequences.
Hmmmm…placed in the wrong post…
“Didn’t see the first E-Coli for about a half-hour. Big un. 2000-nanometer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin’ from the front end to the back end. What we didn’t know, was that our vacation was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, E-Coli come cruisin’ by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the E-Coli come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and sometimes that E-Coli he go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away.
“Sometimes that E-Coli looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a E-Coli is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those E-Coli’s come in and… they infect you to pieces.
“You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many E-Coli there were, maybe a trillion. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been infected, and gangrened in half below the waist.
“At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the E-Coli’s took the rest, June the 29th, 2020.”
– Quint – Spring Vacation 2020: This Time, it’s Infectious!
Here is another great example of climate change at work. There is no way that anyone can claim that Greenland will lose the claimed 200 Gt of ice this year. Look at the margins of the continent, and the difference in the melt in this year as compared to the average melt trend.
All the “who knew ” frivolous lawsuits would actually bear fruit if they asked the question “who knew ” in government that California’s peak electric power capacity is almost 15% below what it should be. As a result government officials put at risk lives and the economy in places like California .
Now that is a lawsuit waiting to happen .
A workmate who was a keen fisherman always emphasised the point that it was the “act” that was important not the catch as he would spend a day by himself in pleasant surroundings watching the wildlife and weather.
James Bull
What really affects your day on the Great Lakes during tourist season, mid July to beginning of September, is not climate change but wind direction. Offshore wind, water cold and clear, and you don’t have to go far offshore to fish for trout and salmon. Onshore wind, water warm and dirtier, have to go further offshore to fish for trout and salmon. The Great Lakes average temperatures have not really changed, they are almost the same year to year. Wind direction however can change the temperature at a location by 20 to 30F in hours. I doubt the researchers were aware of this.
This is because of E. coli, said Michael Ferguson, assistant professor of recreation management and policy. “Increasing water temperatures and fluctuating water levels,
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Imagination is not enough to gauge, unable to gauge which “studies” are still waiting to get performed to warn of alleged “threatening climate change”.