NEWS FLASH: World’s Library Sabotaged

Commentary by Kip Hansen

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BREAKING NEWS — SABOTAGE  @ The Library of The World

The Library of the World — the greatest collection since the Ancient Library of Alexandria — is the world’s largest and most complete library ever collected —  and which is claimed to hold a nearly complete written record of human knowledge — has been found to have been secretly sabotaged by a cabal within the library’s Indexing Department.

The sabotage was so subtle that it has only become apparent within the last few days.  Here’s what we know so far:  Over the last year, the group within the Indexing Department,  calling themselves The Enlightened,  have been quietly altering the Master Index to the vast collection by altering the individual indexes of works they consider “objectionable” or “evil” or “not helpful” to the social, political and scientific world view of cult’s leaders.

The result of this sabotage is that as of this moment when library users search the computerized library index they no longer find any materials that contradict the views of The Enlightened — the cross-indexes and “popularity ratings” have been manually altered to bury materials The Enlightened have deemed “ill-informed” — which simply means in practice that they are contrary to what The Enlightened think you should know.

The deception has escaped detection for so long because no materials have actually been removed from the library shelves.   Original index entries have not been removed.  If one knows the title and author, the computerized index returns a pointer to the material and it can be called up.  But, no matter how popular the specific item or material, if one searches the index for a list of entries by subject, the resulting list of library materials returned to the user is listed in an order pre-determined by The Enlightened — showing at the top all materials the cabal has secretly tagged as “authoritative” and wishes users to read (in order of its own preference), then all materials not specifically proscribed by them, and only then, buried under all the other entries, are listed the materials marked down by the malefactors as “not-Enlightened”.  The determination of what is “authoritative”, “Enlightened” and “not-Enlightened” has depended entirely on the whim of those heading up the secret cabal.

Bringing immediately to mind the fictional themes of 1984 and Farenheit 451, investigators have found that this secret campaign has been carried out with the misguided intention to “make the world a better place” by combating “bad ideas” held by the common man who is, in the view of The Enlightened,  “self-interested and dumb”.

The full scale and scope of the sabotage is unknown at this time — investigators are digging into the indexes to determine how many topics, and exactly which topics,  have been affected.   At this early stage in the investigation, it has been discovered by mere chance that the following topics appear to have been subject to sabotage:  gun rights, abortion, illegal immigration and climate change……

 

More at 11…….”

This fictional news flash is horrifically not fictional at all….only the name of the “library” has been changed  — in reality, it is today’s World Wide Web and “The Enlightened” are the top executives at Google.

More to follow in this series as the story breaks.

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Author’s Note:

I only wish that this were a joke.  Unfortunately, it is shockingly true.

Some of the background on story was covered by Adam J. White in an article in the New Atlantis titled “Google.gov”.

White’s worst fears for the future have been already realized …this series will cover the story, its real world effects and its societal implications.

As always — this is a societal controversy — verify facts for yourself.  Try a Google Search for “Climate Change”.  Try a Yahoo Search for “Climate Change”.  Try a Bing Search for “Climate Change”. Compare results.   Try Google searches of other controversial topics with which  you are personally familiar — see if the listings are obviously tampered with.

Hint, search engines are not independent. Guess who they depend on.

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Not Climate change but equally controversial, GMO’s. I was wondering how my latest article did not appear on Google news no matter how I searched. The article is about the sudden appearance of a genetically modified wheat in Alberta. There are lots of articles on the discovery that blame, directly or indirectly the biotech industry, but none that like mine that say it is likely sabotage. If you want to read it it can be found at
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/12/canada-gmo-wheat-mystery/

Bryan A

Did a Google Search for “Alberta Canada GMO Wheat” and found it on the fifth page down

Only the fifth page…they are slipping

john harmsworth

I went out in a wheat field and found a google! Now it just watches me 24/7!

That’s scary.

Y. Knott

Duckduckgo goes right to it – of course, this is the next morning and it’s likely been called a lot.

Sheri

I get results on the first page, as I did with StartPage.

sycomputing

A search for “canada gmo wheat mystery” (w/o quotes) in Google comes up #1 for me:

https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+gmo+wheat+mystery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

A search for “rogue wheat” (w/o quotes) comes up #2:

https://www.google.com/search?q=rogue+wheat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1https://www.google.com/search?q=rogue+wheat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

Of course, not doing Google News above. Like you, I can’t find it searching in GNews.

sycomputing

Say Rob, found a couple errors after a quick glance at your homepage (emphasis added):

“My webiste has pages for my in-person appearences, my peer-reviewed publications and for links to other sources on GE crops and derived foods, as well as related topics.”

Just FYI

Thanks I am a point a click guy (can’t be good at everything) and have some one administer my website. Will pass that on.

sycomputing

Fire them…they can’t spell…

🙂

ozspeaksup

like many gmo “escapes” intentionally helped for sure.
if theyd followed the supposed regs on trials and destruction of material than it couldnt have “escaped”
same in Australia gm wheat grown in roadside paddocks NO screen to keep birds foxes rabbits or roos out of the crops
thereby ensuring seed was carried far n wide
then throw in a flood.

Canadian uni and Triffid Flax seeds a doozy also. thats spead globally
the gmo lawngrass on golfcourses thats resistant to sprays already and travelling fast

the recent data on CRISPR once again is reported to be showing very wide and unexpected DNA changes that they say theyre hard pressed to find due to scale n degrees of change.

heaven help the humans theyve tried it on so far
and the poor animals! who cant speak out.

Sheri

The articles I read clearly stated this is not a health threat, but rather an economic one because people are irrationally afraid of GMO wheat.

TDBraun

This is why I boycott Google. Every freedom-loving person should

I would love to have an alternative search engine. not a fan of Bing

Bill

DuckDuckGo.com

acementhead

Duckduckgo.com and thirteen more at link below. Took a couple of seconds.

http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/search-engines

HotScot

acementhead

My understanding is, virtually every search facility is simply a rebranded Google.

Kip gave us all a heads up: “Hint, search engines are not independent. Guess who they depend on.”

HotScot

Bill

Bill, I believe Duck Duck Go is unique in that it doesn’t track your activities, however, it is otherwise an extension of Google.

Use it myself though.

chrisretusn

Agree! I’ve been using DuckDuckGo as my default search engine for quite awhile now. Search results are definitely skewed as to what shows up at the top.

MangoChutney

I did a search for “alternatives to google” on google – nothing came up except a 404

Greg Cavanagh

Mine says.
About 401,000,000 results (0.30 seconds)

Must have been a glitch in the matrix.

curly

Try gibiru.com or swisscows.com (yes, really).
I’ve been using swisscows.com or a while and I prefer it over duckduckgo.

“This is why I boycott Google. “
And you can. Google has no monopoly. Google has users who find that Google does give results with the priorities they are looking for. That is really the only test. Other engines can say the same.

Mike the Morlock

Hello Nick.
First Google is not a Library. It is a store, a service. If it is going to edit suppress or restrict the service that it provides it needs to post a disclaimer admitting it.
It is called false advertising. Ever hear of switch and bait.
If all references that you wished to access were restricted you would be distressed

michael

The complaint is that Google doesn’t accord some items the priority that you think they should. That is always going to be subjective, and the only test is whether their users like it. Otherwise they will go elsewhere. So why pick on Google? It’s prominent because a lot of people like their results.

Louis Hunt

Does that reasoning work for computer models too? Climate models also have users who find that they give results “with the priorities they are looking for.” Such models are “prominent because a lot of people like their results,” not because they are accurate and unbiased. So, apparently, a biased search engine is perfectly okay if a lot of people prefer it that way. Likewise, a biased climate model must also be okay if a lot of climate scientists prefer it that way. That must be why objective science must now take a back seat to popular consensus. Right Nick?

The problem started when Google decided to change the algorithms to give establishment propaganda priority over web traffic. The ranking of results used to be determined by all of us, collectively, not by a few control freaks at Google.

A search for information on the global cooling scare of the 70’s, for example, now yields pages of establishment lies claiming that it simply didn’t happen:
https://www.google.com/search?&q=global+cooling+scare

Do want Big Brother determining your search results, Nick?
Do you really want prolefeed?

Well, I also think there was no scientific global cooling scare, so I would be happy with Google’s links in that case. And so it goes. No search provider can please everybody. It is in the nature of lists that they have a top and a bottom, and the lister must make judgments. Google’s judgments suit me, else I would look for another provider. That is the right remedy, not kvetching about Google, which is obviously successful in giving lots of people the lists of links they want.

Google, did not have to make any judgements about results until they politicized them. As I already stated, results were determined by web traffic, not by executive decision. Such is still the case for non-controversial subjects. It seems that you do prefer Big Brother to make decisions about consumption of information, rather than leaving it to the free market.

“…I would be happy with Google’s links in that case…”
translation: Nick is happy with Google’s promotion of disinformation in preference to primary source material.

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O’Brien smiled faintly. ‘You are no metaphysician, Winston,’ he said. ‘Until this moment you had never considered what is meant by existence. I will put it more precisely. Does the past exist concretely, in space? Is there somewhere or other a place, a world of solid objects, where the past is still happening?’

‘No.’

‘Then where does the past exist, if at all?’

‘In records. It is written down.’

‘In records. And –?’

‘In the mind. In human memories.’

‘In memory. Very well, then. We, the Party, control all records, and we control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?’

‘But how can you stop people remembering things?’ cried Winston again momentarily forgetting the dial. ‘It is involuntary. It is outside oneself. How can you control memory? You have not controlled mine!’
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ironargonat
Tom
John Bills

“That is the right remedy, not kvetching about Google, which is obviously successful in giving lots of people the lists of links they want.”

Yup, the “they” in your sentence is Google.

Try googeling idiot.

Greg Cavanagh

I Googled Idiot; but all I get is pictures of Trump.

The bias is strong with this one. I didn’t even get dictionary definitions as you would expect. It was just Trump, Trump, Trump.

Tom Abbott

I’ll be darned, it’s true, Trump does come up!

One of the search entries says “trolls pushed Trump to the top of the search list”.

Someone posted earlier that it used to be human web searches which determined which entries got listed first in the search list, but now computer code is making those decisions. So which is it? From the looks of the search results the human factor is still being taken into account and pushing Trump to the top of the list.

George Daddis

“No search provider can please everybody. ”
Nick you continue to miss the point. (Why is that sentence so familiar?)

It is not the role of an unbiased search engine to “please” anyone.

“and the lister must make judgments..”

No, an unbiased lister does NOT have to make judgements (with the obvious exception of obscenity and similar limits).

Pompous Git

“Well, I also think there was no scientific global cooling scare”

Aerosols and Climate, Petr Chýlek, James A. Coakley Jr., Science 11 Jan 1974: Vol. 183, Issue 4120, pp. 75-77, DOI: 10.1126/science.183.4120.75

Consequently, we cannot claim conclusively that the buildup of aerosols due to man’s activity is responsible for the present cooling …

Cirrus Clouds and the Climate, Stephen K. Cox, Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, 1971, https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0469(1971)0282.0.CO;2

mid-latitude data showed a cooling effect …

The effect of atmospheric aerosols on climate with special reference to temperature near the earth’s surface, JM Mitchell Jr – Journal of Applied Meteorology, 1971, https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0450(1971)0102.0.CO;2

the apparent worldwide cooling of climate in recent decades is attributable to large-scale increases of particulate pollution of the atmosphere by human activities…

Nick, what justification do you have for your belief that these journals aren’t “scientific”?

Where is the scare? They simply noted that there had been some cooling, attributed to aerosols from pollution.

Chimp

Nick,

You really believe that forecasting a new ice age isn’t a scare tactic?

Were you even alive in the 1970s? If you were an adult then, and in college, you couldn’t have missed the new ice age scare.

It was in all the papers and on TV.

Pompous Git

“Were you even alive in the 1970s? If you were an adult then, and in college, you couldn’t have missed the new ice age scare.

It was in all the papers and on TV.”

I was in first year university in 1969, and yes it was in the MSM, most notoriously Newsweek, and on TV in the early 1970s. Nigel Calder made a TV series called The Weather Machine for the BBC who also published a book based on the series. Calder had been a journalist and editor of New Scientist. Lengthy extract follows:

The vultures have been feeding well, along the southern fringe of the Sahara. In 1973 several countries of the Sahel of West Africa reported the death from drought of 30 to 70 per cent of their cattle, as well as widespread crop failures. Sahel is an Arabic word meaning shore, used here for the inland southern ‘shore’ of the Sahara desert, a zone across Africa where human subsistence is just about possible. Closest to the deep Sahara range the nomadic herdsmen, but farmers, too, scratch a living from a few months’ meagre rainfall. For them the present change of climate is not a statistical curiosity or intellectual speculation but a toll of dead animals and the sight of their soil blowing away in the wind. Ten million people are refugees from the drought.

The rains of the Sahel come in from the south in summer, as wedges of moist oceanic air insert themselves over Africa in miniature monsoons. The rainfall is abundant along the coast from Sierra Leone to Nigeria, and in southern Ethiopia, but it peters out towards the north in the zone where farming and herding are marginally_possible. Reliable and timely rain comes less far into Africa than it did in recent decades. The marginal zone has therefore been shifting towards the sea, with the Sahara advancing southwards behind it. Rainfall in the Sahel has been ‘below average’ for seven or eight years — that is how the reports are worded… In the better period after 1931, which coincided with the decades of maximum warmth in Europe and the Arctic, the herdsmen edged further north with their cattle, towards the heart of the Sahara. The farmers advanced behind them and populations grew.

Now the Saharan tide has turned. The herdsmen are driven back on to farmland, whether or not the farmers have yet abandoned it. The towns are crowded with hungry refugees. The traditional strategy of the Tuareg nomad in hard times is to turn to trading to recoup his losses, but amid general impoverishment conditions that is hard to implement. Nevertheless, the nomads are more adaptable than the farmers, and can readily move north or south according to the season’s rainfall.

The tragedy has been starkest in northern Ethiopia, in the eastward extension of the Sahel zone. The disaster exposed the feudal abominations of the ‘hidden empire’ which hid its starvation for as long as possible and neglected to feed the dying from its own resources. Not until October 1973, when more than 100,000 were already in their graves and many more were past help, did the Ethiopian government admit that 3-4000 were perishing every week in the northern districts and appeal for help from other countries. Pneumonia or gastroenteritis or cholera was often the immediate cause of death, but hunger was at the root of it.

….

Four countries lie wholly within the affected zone — Mali, Upper Volta, Niger and Chad. They could become uninhabitable if the desert were to continue its southward march during future decades. We may be witnessing the elimination of these nation states by drought, while nearby Senegal and Mauretania could be reduced, for practical purposes, to coastal strips. Meanwhile, human pressures on the land do nothing to impede creation of new desert. Herds of cattle may overgraze the land and loosen the soil, though not so readily as do the cultivators, who create dust bowls when the rainfall is inadequate. Cutting firewood is certainly harmful near the towns of the Sahel. Yet environmentalists are probably adding insult to injury when they blame the local people for causing the southward expansion of the Sahara. On the northern edge of the Sahara, in the Atlas mountains of Algeria and Morocco, rainfall has been increasing. That suggests that the whole dry zone of the Sahara is moving bodily southwards and that the Sahelian drought is a consequence of world-wide changes of climate.

The simplest and most ominous theory is that the advance of the Sahara in the Sahel is directly linked with the general cooling of the northern hemisphere that has been in progress since 1950. As the Arctic zone of cold enlarges, the stormy zone and desert zone shift southwards towards the equator.

[Nigel Calder, The Weather Machine 1974, pp 45-46]

HotScot

Pompous Git

Interesting there’s no response from Nick to your comment.

I also remember the media coverage on the topic at the time.

Philip Mulholland

#PG.
Then there is this opinion piece from the famous climatologist Hubert H Lamb described as “an international authority on the long term processes of climatic change” (remember him?) published in August-September 1973:-
Lamb, H. H. (1973) Is the Earth’s Climate Changing? For the past 30 years the temperature of our planet has been steadily dropping. The UNESCO Courier: a window open on the world; Vol. XXVI (8/9), 17-20.

Philip Mulholland

I recommend that all internet searches include the judicious use of the negative filter option
For example; identify a keyword that is biasing your expected search results, in this case myth is clearly being used as a pejorative filter.
Compare what happens when you use the following search string
https://www.google.com/search?&q=global+cooling+scare+-myth

ironargonat

EU bets 5billion of Googles money that it’s prominent due to unfair monopolistic practices.

Javier

“So why pick on Google?”

The two biggest fines in EU history have been to Google. So what they are doing is illegal. That’s a good reason to pick on them.

“The two biggest fines in EU history”

The European Commissioner for Competition has deemed that Google is in breach of antitrust rules. That is being appealed. I’m surprised that folks here are such fans of the EU bureaucracy.

Roger Knights

Here’s a criticism of the EU’s fine; it argues that the motivation is European resentment at American success with its Internet apps, plus protectionism.
https://reason.com/archives/2018/07/18/eu-hits-google-with-5-billion-ginned-up?utm_medium=email

Here is another criticism.

ozspeaksup

I loathe the eurocracy
I also loathe the worst capitalist americanist setup like goog fkbk and your privatised screw the consumer healthcare/medicine etc thats being foisted on other nations -as they buy in on the sly-
the crap re russia n china being a threat?
well maybe
but usa isnt a friend to many either in spite of what your agitprop says;-)

Tom Abbott

It’s a lot better with Trump in charge, don’t you think?

Trump just shamed some drug companies into freezing their drug prices. He is in the process of reforming the health care system, one little tweak at a time, and turning it into a free market which will reduce prices. If he had any cooperation in Congress, these thngs would already be done.

Chimp

Ozspeaksup,

Great, then don’t expect the US yet again to save you from Asian expansionism. Japan lacked the manpower actually to invade Oz, while bogged down in China, SE Asia and the Pacific islands, fighting Americans. But China has far more men than it needs to take over Oz any time it wants.

Even your most pacifist leaders recognize that the US is all that keeps China from conquering Oz, which is why they begged Obama to deploy Marines to Darwin from Okinawa.

But Japan also wants US Marines to stay on Okinawa, to keep China from occupying the Ryukyus, which the Communists claim, along with everything else in the East and South China Seas and beyond. After they seize Mindanao, Borneo, Sulawesi and New Guinea, only America can keep the Chinese Communists out of Oz.

But given your attitude, why should we bother?

Giles Bointon

I switched to DuckDuckGo several months ago. My google front page always had several little news sites below the search box. The political topics of these sites were clearly and distinctly allied to the searches I had made but almost universally had a counter view to the nature of my searches. No, it isn’t paranoia but certainly climate searches produced a whole lot of topics opposed to my needs. This does not happen on DuckDuckGo.

ironargonat

That’s not what the Judges said. “The European Union’s antitrust fine of 4.34 billion euros was almost double the bloc’s fine against Google last year over the company’s unfair favoring of its own services in internet search results. ” Your propensity for sticking your foot in your mouth is amusing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/technology/google-eu-android-fine.html

EU, Google – so which one is Big Brother?

HotScot

Nick Stokes

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

sycomputing

so which one is Big Brother?

Why not both?

bonbon

Reminds me of Elliot Ness – could’nt nail Capone on major crimes, so got him on tax. This way the EU avoids reminding its subjects that their fake news is anyway filtered – theme off the table!

WXcycles

I thought that sort of thing only occurred in China?

R. Shearer

At least Twitter doesn’t shadowban. (Do I need to use a sarc/tag?)

Keen Observer

I’ve been using DuckDuckGo almost exclusively since 2009, when I learned they were actively burying Climategate stories. They were still a little rough on accuracy back then, but they’ve gotten loads better since. I do bounce to other engines, if I can’t find what I’m looking for in the first 5-10 pages (depends on obscurity of subject), but I try not to too much.

Sheri

Someone in the past mentioned StartPage. It’s google based but says it doesn’t track you. I use it now. DuckDuckGo was not getting the results I wanted. In reality, I end up using Google, Bing, StartPage, DuckDuckGo and Info many times trying to find information. It’s sad one has to use 5 search engines just to find what should be simple information. Plus, one has to rearrange words and change them to get the desired info. However, most serach engines seem to be giant sales engines, so it is to be expected. If only there were a simple program that could search. At one time, I think there was, but probably not anymore.

markl

So all the conspiracy theories just got a lift? Anyone naive enough to believe there isn’t a cabal intent on a One World Government needs to reassess their beliefs. They will do anything, anything, to gain your support and they are not the least bit concerned whether or not its’ truthful.

Jeff

I get the impression Wikipedia entries related to climate change have been butchered too.

Alan Tomalty

They have . That is well known. One guy by the name of Connelly I think

Patrick MJD

So much so he was actually banned from editing articles for 6 months.

Gunga Din

Wikipedia on steroids.

Yes, I’ve done the same searches for things in the last year and not found the links that I did find in previous years.

jorgekafkazar

Wankerpedia, last I checked, had removed all mention of our early failed experiments with communism at Jamestown.

D. J. Hawkins

Jamestown? I believe you mean Plymouth Plantation, a few miles further north and 13 years later. Unless both expeditions made identically bad decisions, which I doubt, since Jamestown was a purely commercial venture.

Jim Whelan

Wikipedia, being what it is: a user edited web site is always going to reflect a hard leftist point of view since only leftists, mostly the indoctrinated on college campuses and those without marketable skills have the time to constantly police entries and remove any vestiges of non-leftist thought.

Those with more reasonable and fact based views are busy at gainful employment and raising decent offspring.

Alan Tomalty

I find it hard to believe that every search engine depends on Google

Roger Knights

AFAIK, Bing and Yahoo don’t rely on Google. There may also be a few remnants hanging on, like Jeeves.

HotScot

Alan Tomalty

Perhaps not all, but certainly most of them. The prominently touted Duck Duck Go is good, because it doesn’t track you as an individual, but I understand it still uses Google.

And as I understand it, Google rankings are low for climate scepticism not because Google doesn’t like the subject, but because their ranking depend on a number things: the top ten or so results in any Google search are paid for, although that’s not obvious. The rest must fight for prominence by conforming to Google’s algorithm which prioritises the popularity of a site by the number of links TO it from other well populated sites.

e.g if you have a web site that has links to it from say, Ford, General Motors, Nissan, the Times, The Guardian and Amazon, you will be ranked well. On the other hand if your site has a link to it from your best friends site devoted to photo’s of his dog’s new collar, no matter how important your site, it will rank low.

It’s far more complicated than that, hence the reason for SEO and people making lots of money from that alone, whilst Google jealously guards it’s algorithm, which also makes me wonder how these people do so well.

Huge amounts of money is spend by companies on PR to ensure their stories are featured on ‘reputable’ sites with links to theirs, because Google will rank them favourably. And it’s continuous as I believe the Google algorithm considers the time decay of a links relevance. So a site with hundreds of links to it from 20 years ago, falls off the radar because it’s considered no longer appropriate.

That’s my limited understanding of it having looked into it a few years ago for marketing purposes.

It seems it’s no use reinventing the wheel when anyone can ‘rebrand’ Google for their own purposes, at a cost.

sycomputing

…e.g if you have a web site that has links to it from say, Ford, General Motors, Nissan, the Times, The Guardian and Amazon, you will be ranked well.

Actually not quite (at least as of a few years ago when I cared about rankings). What Google looks for is high traffic links between sites with similar content. So, from Ford, GM, Nissan, etc., to your automotive review site is a plus to googlebot, i.e., you’ll get some “juice” from those other sites. But from Ford, etc., to your fun family photos website, not so much.

The idea is to try to return search results for particular content more effectively, rather than some annoying page with nothing but links coded into it (remember those?), or that has nothing at all to do with your search for “Ford.”

HotScot

sycomputing

Both fair comment. I’m certainly not any type of authority so thanks for your input. I might add, however, that whilst Google doesn’t control your local library, that’s ‘yet’. Which does validate Kip’s concerns.

Having said that, Lady Chatterley’s Lover was banned from UK libraries, along with others.

And the thought occurs to me that if Google was manipulating data to suppress certain results, over how many subjects do they do that? Surely it’s not just confined to climate change? In which case, every government, scientific and social document would have to be read and vetted for suitability. Potentially every example of the written word, not only current but into the distant past.

AI could be employed to do that I guess, but what an enormous waste of resources to turn the world into a socialist utopia when it would probably be far cheaper to directly sponsor an entire global political movement to achieve the same end.

Google itself would then either be nationalised, or shut down as an enemy of the state.

Or am I just wandering through flights of fancy now?

sycomputing

I might add, however, that whilst Google doesn’t control your local library, that’s ‘yet’. Which does validate Kip’s concerns.

I don’t think it does until they do.

Having said that, Lady Chatterley’s Lover was banned from UK libraries, along with others.

In the U.S. as well.

It would seem there always has been, and therefore likely will always be, someone trying to ban something or other from the general public’s view for whatever reason they deem good and true. This is problematic when it’s government, but not so much (in my opinion) when it’s Alphabet Corp. I can easily grant the author’s assumption and go from there, just like I do when I read a story from the Washington [com]Post. Google’s “power” over me stops at google.com, and that presupposes they have any real “power” in the first place.

Regardless, of all the instances where such banning was done, we made it to the next instance where it wasn’t, but something else was. Propagandizing isn’t a new idea.

And the thought occurs to me that if Google was manipulating data…[s]urely it’s not just confined to climate change? In which case, every government, scientific and social document would have to be read and vetted for suitability…[o]r am I just wandering through flights of fancy now?

I think you’re flying a recorded path of Reason. Furthermore, even if I grant the proposition of the conspiracy, I don’t see where I’m much worse off than having a so-called, “Mainstream Media” in the United States that’s bound and determined to push the Progressive agenda upon me, and has been since I’ve been paying attention (+/- 30 years). I managed to find the information for which I was looking when it was the MSM, how will Google prevent me?

I look at it this way: The election of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States is clearly either – 1) objectively verifiable proof for the existence of a benevolent God who interferes in the affairs of mankind to achieve His purposes; or 2) we the people aren’t as capable of being manipulated quite like Google, the MSM, and the rest of their ilk believe.

I personally go with 1), but if you object, well then it would seem you’ve got to accept 2). Either way, I don’t have to fear Google.

HotScot

sycomputing

Personally, I would have stopped at “I managed to find the information for which I was looking when it was the MSM, how will Google prevent me?”

That and the foregoing parts of your post makes complete sense to me. ‘Truth will out’ I think is the expression. No matter the propaganda hurled at mankind, there is always intelligent people like you able to do something about it.

I don’t get the final two paragraphs though.

I like old Trumpet pants. I didn’t before he was elected, but he’s done as much as he could, of what he promised in his manifesto. I have never known a politician to actually execute his manifesto in my life, far less, go hell for leather in his first term.

I’m not sure if you mean what you say in point 1), or you are just making fun of me.

sycomputing

I don’t get the final two paragraphs though.

Just silly logic games…everyone’s so serious around here all the time!

🙂

I do, however, fully believe in proposition 1. Not sure why that would be making fun of you though?

HotScot

sycomputing

Personally, I wouldn’t compare Donald to God. And as much as I don’t believe in God, I’m not sure it’s reasonable to compare anyone to him/her.

And after your well considered and reasonable arguments, you pop that one into the discussion. Which makes me feel I missed some ‘in’ joke or something.

sycomputing

Personally, I wouldn’t compare Donald to God. And as much as I don’t believe in God, I’m not sure it’s reasonable to compare anyone to him/her.

Heh…wow I messed that one up…sorry about that. No, I can assure you none of the above was my intent!

Here’s what I was trying to get across with the DJT thing in the context of the Google discussion.

If DJT can be elected President of the United States with the full force of the American press, and what appears to be the full bad faith and [dis]credit of the United States government against him, then the Google conspiracy is likely less to worry about than what I think Mr. Hansen plans to argue in the future.

It’s really bad here. People have lost their farging minds over this guy, and yet he remains as popular (+/- a couple points) as he ever was. They flat out make stuff up about the man regularly in our press (Fake News), so I wonder how this popularity could be possible with pretty much the entire world hating him and not being shy at all about expressing that fact everywhere I look?

Well, it’s because of 1) or 2) and regardless of which you choose to believe, there’s no need to fear Google.

I guess I should leave the joking to those more adept at it than I.

I hope this helps and apologies for the confusion.

HotScot

sycomputing

The Donald gets a lot of stick over here in the UK. When he was elected he was supposed to take us all to war but gets no credit for doing precisely the opposite.

The video posted here a few days ago where anti-Trump protesters in London were questioned as to why they were there was enlightening, none of them had a clue, it just seemed a good idea.

No need to apologise though, most of my posts verge on the undecipherable.

🙂

Jeff Alberts

” 1) objectively verifiable proof for the existence of a benevolent God who interferes in the affairs of mankind to achieve His purposes; or 2) we the people aren’t as capable of being manipulated quite like Google, the MSM, and the rest of their ilk believe.

I personally go with 1), but if you object, well then it would seem you’ve got to accept 2). Either way, I don’t have to fear Google.”

1 and 2 aren’t the only choices. But if you choose 1, you are clearly delusional. An all-powerful god could surely find someone better than Trump, a womanizing, petty individual, to achieve his goals. And what are god’s goals exactly?

HotScot

Jeff Alberts

“Trump, a womanizing, petty individual”

I would like to see some evidence of his “womanising” other than MSM tittle-tattle.

Apart from which, what’s wrong with being a womaniser, if he is? Quite a natural male function methinks. His wife might not like it, in which case, she’s perfectly entitled to leave him. He also seems to have a devoted family, hardly the marque of a philanderer.

Unlike one Bill Clinton, need I mention Monica Lewisnsky, and as I recall, a cigar? What disturbed me more than anything about his conduct was that Hilary stuck around, evidently to pursue her own career. Machiavellian doesn’t begin to describe her activities.

And the “petty” individual managed to bring N. Korea to the negotiating table, more than any other country leader in the western world has done in the last 50 years.

He’s called out the EU for what it is, a miserable bureaucracy, bent on largely Germany’s self-interest. Yes, that’s the country that brought us two world wars and has embarked on a political and financial campaign to finish what they couldn’t achieve militarily.

The world has stagnated into a financial impasse over the last generation or so. Each country seeking to appease every other country. Low growth, falling wages and rising prices are a feature. Trump’s thrown a grenade into the mix and is stimulating markets.

“to achieve his goals”

What goals would they be? To be wealthy? He’s done that. To be POTUS? He’s done that. Wine women and song? He doesn’t drink, smoke or do drugs, he could have any number of women and he doesn’t seem the party going type.

So what’s left? He’s taken a job he doesn’t need, made commitments he doesn’t need to, he employs thousands of people, prefers earning money to going to war for it, and all he asks in return is that immigration is controlled, in part to ensure Islamic extremists aren’t imported en mass under cover of refugee status.

He may be a bit of a twat in the oral delivery of his objectives, but as he’s the first western leader I have known in my 61 years to systematically tick off his lists of manifesto promises to America, I fail to see what he’s actually doing wrong.

The fact is, he confronts the rest of the world with pragmatic politics and they don’t like it because it disturbs their comfortable collusion to slowly bleed the world dry whilst they gradually occupy their collective thrones of elitism.

sycomputing

But if you choose 1, you are clearly delusional.

Sounds like you’ve had a bad day Jeff…that’s unfortunate. Maybe tomorrow will work out better!

An all-powerful god could surely find someone better than Trump, a womanizing, petty individual, to achieve his goals.

I dunno…King David did a fairly good job according to what I’ve read. Maybe God knows what He’s doing after all?

Take care!

Patrick MJD

I have mentioned this before, when the books are digitised, you will only find approved material. IIRC Google is working on a project to digitise books IIRC.

Hugs

What is approved? I just read some ‘The History of America’ (1777 or something), and _boy_ there was material that I find ‘not useful’.

In fact, some searches, like gmo, vaccins, afrocentrists, etc spout incredible crap.

Hugs

Thanks for the -1 and for not telling why you gave it.

I was just saying google does give a lot of very low-quality or controversial hits. And that they would not approve the ‘History of America’, if they’d read it and think.

Percy Jackson

Kip,
the great thing about a free market is that you are free to make your own search engine that
ranks sites according to your own preferences. And then if people agree with you you can get rich
and google can go the way of “ask jeeves” or alta-visita. And thanks to freedom of speech google
is free to rank sites however it likes. Or are you suggesting that google should be forced to rank
sites according to your prejudices?

bonbon

The libertarians always get fooled. See NSA chief Keith Alexander praising Google’s logistics – where do you thing the outfit comes from? Did they spontaneously spring forth in an unknowable way to bring goodnees to all (to paraphrase von Hayek)?

Percy Jackson

No. Google exists to sell your data to advertisers. Nothing altruistic about it at all.

mikewaite

People should read the recent book by Catherine Nixey , a young Classics historian , “The Darkening Age- the Christian destruction of the classical world”.
It is a terrible account of how , from the 3rd cent onward the works of classical authors , the art of the time, the libraries and the educated themselves were systematically destroyed by the Christian vandals who insisted that there was only one truth and the rest is lies that must be destroyed .
The result is that only 1% of all classical roman literature survived – only 1%: difficult to believe , but not when you read of the ISIS-like attack by the Christian mobs.
It started as described in this post by the censoring and defacing of classical literature and culminated in the order from Justinian that anyone owning , let alone reading , a non christian text would be executed , the property destroyed. The start , as Catherine Nixey says , of the Dark Ages.
What helped of course is the sycophancy of those who initially supported the gradual destruction and the closing down of the european intellect – which was, in part , ultimately saved , ironically as it may seem today , by Muslim scholars.

bonbon

Roman Emperor Caracalla in 215AD had another approach – he called to assemble all young scholars at the Library of Alexandria, and had them slaughtered. The books he did not fear, rather their crime was to be educated active citizens. Its final burning in 270AD everyone mourns, but Caracalla ? Christians moved into a vacumn. Some travelled accross europe not seeing a single bird or person for 27 days – completely depopulated, never mind literate. Western literacy began with these Christian monks – see the Scriptorium Museum at St. Gallen.

Google it seems is following in Caracalla’s steps – it does not fear content, rather educated voters. The endless wars they now voted against is the slaughter, Caracalla style.
Odd that Rome , the *** of Babylon, seems to always get a free pass.

Tom

I doubt that Ms. Nixey spent much time at the library of Monte Cassino.

mikewaite

A reasonable assumption given that the author is a fairly recent Cambridge graduate , born about 40 years after the destruction of Monte Cassino by the combined efforts of the Germans , British and Americans in WW2.
However the point of my post was not an attack on christianity itself but the attitude of the media giants . politicians and archive sources to anyone who is not fully committed to the climate change meme ,seeming to echo what started in Alexandria , Athens and Constantinople 1500 + years ago.
Certainly the early monasteries started copying some of the classical literature , but they were very selective. Nixey points out that in the entire 6th cent only scraps of 2 manuscripts of Juvenal were copied and some parts of the 2 Plinys. In the 7th Cent , just a fragment of Lucan. In the 8th Cent – nothing . Oh yes the scriptoria were busy , churning out copies of Jerome and Augustine , but not the literature of the wicked pagans – who ” deny ” Christ and the one true God.
No doubt I am overdoing the comparison between the early Church ‘s attack on what it saw as “pagan” literature and the attack by warmists on anyone who is not fully baptised into their faith and on any source of information contrary to their beliefs . At least I hope that I am , because otherwise the future is bleak.

MarkW

Considering it was the Christians who preserved the works of the ancients during the dark ages, Ms. Nixey is engaging in a politically correct re-writing of history.

Percy Jackson

actually it was the muslim scholars who preserved the works of many
ancient authors while christian scholars either ignored them or deliberately destroyed them.

Pompous Git

“Considering it was the Christians who preserved the works of the ancients during the dark ages…”

To be fair, they kept Plato, but lost Aristotle. The Muslims preserved Aristotle’s lecture notes and St Thomas Aquinas restored Aristotle through the Muslims in Spain. The Romans generated very little in the way of literature, preferring the Greeks to provide them with “culture”.

The greatest destruction of books occurred in the 15thC when the secular authorities took over from the Church in the persecution of heresy. The English Reformation saw hundreds of thousands books destroyed.

Then there’s Napoleon Bonaparte who authorised the destruction of a considerable amount of material in the Vatican library because his empire was short of paper. To his credit he did ensure that the documents relating to Galileo be preserved.

Nobody really knows how much book burning occurred in the Dark Ages. They are called “Dark” because there’s almost no documentation of the period. The number of books destroyed following the invention of the printing press was many times greater than the capacity to generate books manually.

Chimp

Scholars like Copernicus were able to learn Greek and read the classics in their original form rather than Arabic translations into Latin, thanks to the exodus of savants from Byzantium after the Ottoman conquest of 1453.

Pompous Git

Knowledge of Greek in the medieval Latin West

It is common to speak of the ‘rediscovery’ of Greek in the Latin West in the Renaissance, the implication being that Greek was wholly forgotten in the West for the bulk of the Middle Ages. While it is true that Greek was far less well known in the West between the 5th and 15th centuries, throughout this period we find evidence of knowledge of Greek on the part of a few learned individuals, and awareness of the significance of Greek on the part of many more. In the 7th century, the Greek-speaking Theodore of Tarsus (602–690), travelled to England to take up the role of Archbishop of Canterbury.

More here: https://www.bl.uk/greek-manuscripts/articles/knowledge-of-greek-in-the-medieval-latin-west

MarkW

That’s how history works in the modern age.
It’s re-invented to fit the biases of the elite.

Pompous Git

Always has been…

thingadonta

Get another search engine

Greg Cavanagh

Odd that you would say that. I just bought a new computer as my old one was stolen. So knowing what web pages I like to visit but couldn’t remember the url or correct name. But no matter how much I searched, I couldn’t find this one particular site (not WUWT, another particular site). I thought it was just on page 200 or something, and I never got that far. Ok then; DuckDuckGo gets more traffic from me then.

Don’t be evil.
HA Ha Ha, progressives are funny.

HotScot

Greg Cavanagh

I believe Duck Duck Go is a rebranding of Google. It’s USP is that it doesn’t track you as an individual.

If you use the Chrome browser, or the Opera browser, you can have all your bookmarks backed up for you on their servers so you can log back in on any computer and your bookmarks will be unaltered.

Chrome is an intrusive browser but there is a version of Chromium (I think it’s an open source version of Chrome) with the snooping disabled. https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

Someone on WUWT suggested it last week and I’m trying it out. Seems faster than Opera, which has been my preferred browser. Backups of your favourites are still subject to having a Google account though.

Ree

Interestingly enough, I can’t get your link to work on Chrome.

Well, it worked if I cut and paste.

HotScot

Ree

Try using another browser. Perhaps Chrome blocks access to it, which would be worrying.

Both my posted links work for me in iron and Opera.

Jeff Alberts

Worked for me on Chrome.

bonbon

The “Index” is Map-Reduce, the famed algorithm. All very techie impressive. But as Alice reminded readers a dog in Lilliput will follow a stick exactly like a dog in Brobdingrag. Map-Reduce is basically a dog with 280,000 legs (servers). Anyone who ever owned a dog must know how happy they are to deliver a dead rat on your shoe, wagging joyfully at the find.

Google-Poodle!

ozspeaksup

within the first couple of Paragraphs I twigged it;-) prob because like like many here we’re used to finding tampering/adjusting/vanishing info and reports
goog is NOT your friend and neither is anything microsoft.
even the better engine still have linkages to those deceitful and algo corrupted results.
from info I found before thats vanished- I now copy n print it if I think its of interest or likely to be tampered with.
annoying but you can scan n share it later at least

Clare

The solution is obvious – stop using Google. There are other providers/search engines such as Brave & DuckduckGo & Protonmail for your emails – means you are not tracked and your privacy is respected. Google are only able to do this whilst we just moan but carry on using them. Google users are a product – remove the product, they have nothing to sell

Sara

Well – ain’t that a pinch on the arm? The Lilliputians (Google, MSN, etc., etc, etc.) are trying to engage in thought control and censoring everything???

Da Horreurre!

I see people complaining here about having difficulty finding WUWT. I have NEVER had a problem finding it because I am NOT too lazy to type in the whole name of the website. There are others that I go to which would be lost in the Clouds if I used nothing more illiterate than searching by initials.

If you are subject or name specific in how you look for something, you will find it, if it’s on the internet. If I type in the full name of my own blog, I get there in a heartbeat, but if I type in a shortened version of it, I get links to at least 72 novels with the same title as the shortened version of my blog’s name.

It is your name search method that is at fault, not the Googlers or Bingers or the internet itself.

As a P.S. (post script), if you want to know how any literature at all was saved from extinction, read ‘How The Irish Monks Saved Civilization’. I doubt that everything was destroyed. The Vatican has a massive vault as a library, and it’s likely that most of the stuff stored in it has been forgotten. But if Roman lit was so completely destroyed, then how come Martialis’s scatty epigrams weren’t burned, too?? Anyone have an answer to that? Anyone? Bueller?

Just be more specific in your search and stop being lazy typists. I have NEVER EVER had any trouble finding this site or others that I go to. They are NOT buried by anything other than your lack of willingness to search by specific words or titles.

And no, I do not care whether you agree with me or not.

Steve Keohane

That is a great book, although the monks did it, the title is simply ‘How the Irish Saved Civilization’.

Gunga Din

Why did God invent whiskey?
To keep the Irish from conquering the world!
(That was a joke.)

Steve Keohane

And all these years I thought it was true….

Pompous Git

It is indeed a great read. BUT it’s more about saving Greek lit. than Roman lit., the latter being the subject of Ms Nixey’s thesis.

MarkW

The issue is not those of us who already know all about WUWT.

The issue is how do those who have never heard of WUWT, or who are paying attention to the whole climate wars issue for the first time going to find it?

sycomputing

The issue is how do those who have never heard of WUWT…

I found WUWT through “word of mouth”, i.e., another website. Maybe Drudge I can’t remember.

Point being, Google didn’t stop me from finding anything.

Jeff Alberts

How would you know, if you haven’t found it yet?

Johnny Cuyana

Since the beginning of recorded history — and, most likely, from countless generations before — there have been those warlords, tyrants, dictators, cabals and etc who wanted to dominate and control their fellow citizens, their nations, and, if taken to full extension, the entire world.

The only difference now being the nature of the “tools of control”; where, these days, such evil “wannabes” are oh so much more “civilized”; where, instead of a focus on bodily and material damage, these “wannabes” focus more on the control — brainwashing — of the mind.

In general, aside from the odd alpha-level psychopaths — a true pathology — we know the primary reason why such people emerge: “poor” or absent parenting; where such has led often to the development of a young adult with strictly a self-serving attitude — they see themselves as the focus of the world — where they see all others, essentially, to be lesser human beings.

Until we, as a family, community, and planet, recognize and work to reduce the occurrence and development of such offensive personality types — just as we need to do the same with battered wife/husband syndrome, battered child syndrome, battered scientist syndrome and etc — most likely, from those who desire to control others, we will always be confronted with their self-serving challenges.

The fundamental question is: how do we motivate ourselves — particularly the future parents of our world — to address and correct, to whatever degree necessary, this local and global challenge?

PS: I suspect that many of us, in general, know the answer to this question; where, further, I am hoping that readers — if any — see my question as rhetorical. I pose this question, nonetheless, because I assume that some may have a different opinion … and am looking forward to reading of them.

David L. Hagen

At the “US Government’s” “Understand Climate-Change” comes these assertions:
“Climate change is happening now. The United States and the world are warming, global sea level is rising, and some types of extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and more severe.” . . .”Evidence from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans, collected by scientists and engineers from around the world, tells an unambiguous story: the planet is warming, and over the last half century, this warming has been driven primarily by human activity—predominantly the burning of fossil fuels.”
https://www.globalchange.gov/climate-change

In 2010 the American Physical Society adopted a policy statement stating: “The evidence is incontrovertible: global warming is occurring.”
1973 Physics Nobel Laureate Prof Giaever then resigned from APS declaring

“Incontrovertible is not a scientific word. Nothing is incontrovertible in science.”

John Christy (2016) and (2017)found that the widely predicted “hot spot” “anthropogenic signature” of the “Tropical Tropospheric Temperature” cannot be found in either the satellite record, the radiosonde (balloon) record, or in reanalysis.
How then can attribution to “human activity” be “unambiguous”?
Call your legislator to have this government overstatement corrected.

David L. Hagen

In 2015 the APS revised its climate statement removing “incontrovertible”. While still strongly implying major human attribution it did add some scientific reality by acknowledging:

“scientific challenges remain in our abilities to observe, interpret, and project climate changes.”

Robert W Turner

I’ve noticed this in the last few years. I cannot find several papers that I have read in the past, including a meta study on marine chemistry that clearly detailed how partial pressure of CO2 was not an important factor.

Sara

Try typing in the titles of those papers. I found several ODFs related to CO2 exchange.

I doubt anything has disappeared unless the author took it down.

Pompous Git

@ Robert and Sara

I had no problem finding papers relating to global cooling in the period 1965–75 today using Google Scholar. Even when an author takes stuff down, it still exists in the Wayback Machine. https://archive.org/web/

Keith Hancock

Mind control at work, here and now! In the days before the World Wide Web you could emigrate to escape mind collectivisation but where do you escape to now?

ResourceGuy

There were no escape routes in the book 1984 either.

Sara

Try turning off the computer for about three weeks. I’ll bet money you can’t leave it alone.

Andy Pattullo

If someone pays – they influence. Advertising is a mechanisms of social messaging, but also a mechanism to pervert or slant social messaging to one point of view. To believe that where money is involved there isn’t also some attempt to favor one type of message over another is naive. The best remedy I can think of is to tear off the veil and let everyone see how google, facebook, and all of the other social and commercial media are slanting their messaging to promote their favoured political/social/religious/economic viewpoints or those of their advertisers. Be skeptical.

Skeptic

Looks like William Connolly of Wikipedia Global Warming editing fame has resurfaced.

ResourceGuy

Hide the scrolls before the Chinese masters order their burning at the diligent hands of Google employees.

Don K

I think you folks are assuming that everyone sees the same search results in the same order from a search engine like Google. I’m not completely sure why I don’t think that’s the case, But I’m pretty sure that it isn’t true.

For one thing, check out this Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Personalized_Search

I’m guessing that personalized search probably isn’t the only variable controlling what you see vs what I see vs what that guy over there sees when the same keywords are used.

Reg Nelson

If browser history is a major factor, why is it that when I google “climategate emails” SKS comes up first in the search results, and WUWT is on page 3. I’ve visited this site nearly everyday (for many years) and only been to this SKS propaganda site maybe a dozen times.

It’s clear that google rigs the results if it suits them, either for financial or political reasons. You have to be incredibly naive to not believe that.

sycomputing

Do you clear your browser history?

“when I google “climategate emails””
OK, I did it (with quotes). Screenshot below. Top is David Archibald’s skeptic Lavoisier Group. Next Wiki, then Guardian, but it’s Fred Pearce, a bit on both sides. Then an anti-CRU article in Forbes, then Heartland, then Carbonbrief, with also an anti-CRU analysis.

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ps I put the phrase into the WUWT search box. Just 1 result. Apparently the reason WUWT is not high is that it rarely uses the phrase in articles.

Pompous Git

Nick, I suspect that many are too lazy to learn how to make the most out of their Google searches. A few years ago I was approached by an acquaintance who wanted to build his own oxygen generator. He’d asked a friend who declared there was “nothing on the Internet”. It took me about 60 seconds to discover full instructions for a device intended for use in third-world countries.

20 Tips To Use Google Search Efficiently just scratches the surface: https://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/20-tips-use-google-search-efficiently.html

Philip Schaeffer

Yep, most people suck at google-fu. I can’t stand watching most people try and find stuff. I either have to walk away, or do the search myself.

Philip Schaeffer

Reg Nelson said:

“why is it that when I google “climategate emails” SKS comes up first in the search results,”

I get https://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdf as the first result…

If that’s a result of google is rigging the search results, then it must be that they are on the other side of the issue to what you expect.

Pompous Git

I too get the lavoisier.com hit at the top. Never been there to my recollection. The wiki-bloody-pedia gets second place. What’s yours?

I think we’re getting the same. I posted mine a few comments up.

Pompous Git

You are correct Don K. Google tailors the result based on browser history and purchasing history. Quite why it’s assumed I’m in the market for another television when the one I have just purchased is for the benefit of the Missus rather than me… There’s a reason I likes me books 🙂

Jeff Alberts

My wife once used my Amazon account to purchase some romance novels. That was probably 3 years ago. They STILL pop-up on my amazon recommended stuff.

Roger welsh

What is anyone going to do about it? What can anyone do?

Power an corruption have been with us since humans existed it seems.

Correction is in order. How is this going to happen?

sycomputing

What is anyone going to do about it?

Nothing.

What can anyone do?

Assume it, not care, and move on, else, spend your days worrying about that over which you haven’t a smidgen of control.

Power an corruption have been with us since humans existed it seems.

Thank you, sir!

Now you’ve stated the key to the entire problem in my view. Power and corruption have always been with us, but somehow we’ve still managed to make it through to the next time power and corruption were with us.

If history offers any evidence upon which to make a judgement regarding this matter, then it would appear the best evidence suggests we’ll somehow yet again muddle through this instance of power and corruption (assuming it is) as well.

Very good satire. + + + +

Robert of Texas

Here’s the thing… As Google tampers with search ratings, they open the door to new search engines to maybe catch on. It happens all the time when big business gets arrogant. There will be regulations passed to start tempering how much they can control (going to happen, for better or for worse, they need to be regulated, but when a government sticks their nose in its usually inefficient).

Likely a small search engine already in existence will start promoting itself as a more fair and balanced one, and researchers will start using it. At first the flow of users will be small, and then sudden there is a huge wave as the new search engine catches up to the features that everyone really uses (as opposed to the billions of nice to haves that few use).

When Google finally wakes up to the revenue loss, they will either compete and try to become more fair, or more likely become more extreme like most cable news outlets did until they have a small fanatic group of followers.

I for one have already stopped using Google as much as possible. Yup, I still have an Android device but I have deleted most of Google apps off of it. If you don’t like the way Google turns information into propaganda, then abandon it.

OK. So I was trying to remember the movie-maker that had challenged Marc Morano to a climate debate – and backed out at the last minute. It was just an idle thing so I Googled it. Nothing. Just now I tried duckduckgo “Marc Morano debate movie maker” and the tenth line was James Cameron. Maybe it’s just me though – I can be a real techtard; but score one for duckduckgo.

OK S.

I don’t think this is off-topic, maybe, and I don’t know any more than this article says:

https://medium.com/@martingeddes/wwg1wga-the-greatest-communications-event-in-history-698ba926df64

ResourceGuy

Bonfire of the (advocacy) Vanities

ResourceGuy

Are there special job titles for this at Google? like maybe….

Director of Chinese Yes-Man Services
CIO, Chief Inflame Officer
Darkweb Director

ralfellis

PR companies do exactly the same.

If you pay a PR company to place your news release into all the majors, like reuters, nyt and yahoo, they will do so. And there will be a web-page there with all your details. And they will charge you $2,500 dollars for the service.

But…… Your page will in none of their indexes, and will not be on GoogIe, and so nobody bar you will ever see your expensive PR news release.

Ralph

David Paul Zimmerman

I usually “throw away” the first page of a google search as it is mostly advertising. Drilling down through pages gives you the feel for what is being manipulated and allows you to construct a better search, even to the point of using minus signs to specifically exclude certain items. My behavior has been trained in this area by the google environment. In my opinion google still has the most complete searches, they have just become weighted by SEO and biases of all kinds.

Ragnaar

Try Googling Roy Spencer, Judith Curry or Jordan Peterson.

Pompous Git

“Try Googling Roy Spencer…”
Google proffers me the choices of roy spencer uah, roy spencer architect, roy spencer temperatures, roy spencer permaseal, roy spencer actor and roy spencer. What’s wrong with this thing that it can’t tell which roy spencer I’m after? [/sarc]

Pop Piasa

Kip, I think Ray Wiley Hubbard said it best in a song title a while back…
A: Enlightenment, B: Endarkenment, (Hint: There is no C)

bonbon

Google’s Alphabet Eric Schmidt now heads up Pentagon Innovation. Google has come home to roost. Maybe now the Pentagon will find where all that money vanished to.

Chino780

Duck Duck Go.

JCalvertN(UK)

Why use Google at all? I don’t

Hocus Locus

I got a wild hair in 2015 and wrote a short piece of techo dystopia fiction: The Time Rift of 2100: How We lost the Future It describes in retrospect a series of successive ‘innovations’, each a worthy improvement, but hidden in growing complexity a fragile thread weaves through everything. Probably the best and only story ever written about Network Time Protocol.

Google and The Cloud makes an appearance though not by name. As is happening now, paper was nil and everything — including essential documentation — was stored in ‘The Cloud’, a global storage array that was storage and index combined. An excerpt,

[…] A FEW RESPONSIBLE ENGINEERS of the era took the time to publish diagnostic procedures with which one could fix these amalgamations, should one have the patience to pull them apart to do so, like the SAMS Photofacts of old. Every piece had its own direct interface for configuration and in theory at least, one could fix problems or reconfigure the pieces by simply talking to them directly. They documented these diagnostic and configuration interfaces, often cribbed from the documents of other engineers, which were scarcely ever used now, probing them to discover the more primal pieces within to gather documentation on those too.

BUT IT WAS THANKLESS to do so, and these engineers found themselves out of work or forcefully retired. Their productivity paled besides younger geniuses who were simple hunter-gatherers, whose cleverness in assembling working prototypes was deft and swift. From concept to bubble-wrap technology companies had little interest in deep documentation. It was seen as a fetish. The thing works! Clone it and done. These hastily made things flooded the market and soon replaced other well-documented things. At times something failed and its inventors could not say why, they just assembled a new one or went bankrupt.

IN A SAD IRONY as to the supposed superiority of digital over analog — that this whole profession of digitally-stored ‘source’ documentation began to fade and was finally lost. It had became dusty, and the unlooked-for documents of previous eras were first flagged and moved to lukewarm storage. It was a circular process, where the world’s centralized search indices would be culled to remove pointers to things that were seldom accessed. Then a separate clean-up where the fact that something was not in the index alone determined that it was purgeable. The process was completely automated of course, so no human was on hand to mourn the passing of material that had been the proud product of entire careers. It simply faded.

THEN SOMETHING TOOK THE INTERNET BY STORM, it was some silly but popular Game with a perversely intricate (and ultimately useless) information store. Within the space of six months index culling and auto-purge had assigned more than a third of all storage to the Game. Only as the Game itself faded did people begin to notice that things they had seen and used, even recently, were simply no longer there. Or anywhere. It was as if the collective mind had suffered a stroke. Were the machines at fault, or were we? Does it even matter? Life went on. We no longer knew much about these things from which our world was constructed, but they continued to work. […]

So when you’re fixed on deliberate censorship and evil derrings-do, always remember the words of Einstein,

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity.

dscott

Hence use Duckduckgo.com for independent searches.

jack

the Enlightened is a very poor use as the Enlightenment sprung Freedom, Liberty, Capitalism as many of USA’s founders were of the Enlightenment. more accurate would be ‘the Progressives’ ‘the Left’ ‘the Liberals’ ‘the Socialists’