Guest satirical rebuttal by David Middleton
Willis’ post on EV’s was very unfair… At least according to some of the comments. So I thought I would post some graphs demonstrating that EV’s aren’t quite so astoundingly unsuccessful.
One of my favorite metrics is Ford F-Series pickup trucks versus electric vehicles. F-Series sales literally crush EV sales… But, EV’s don’t appear to be losing much ground against the F-Series. EV’s are falling further behind F-Series sales at a somewhat slower pace than they were in 2017.
2018 sales extrapolated from Q1 2018.
The sum total of US EV sales (all makes and models) has almost caught up with Jeep Wrangler sales…
The EV market share has literally skyrocketed from 0.4% to 1.3% of US light weight vehicle sales.
At this blistering pace, EV’s are on track to claiming a 13% market share by the end of the 21st century!
On top of all of this “good news” for EV’s… This should push the Cobalt Cliff off to the 22nd century!
As usual, any and all sarcasm was purely intentional.
…0.4% to 1.3% of US light weight vehicle sales…
That’s….thats OVER a three times increase! What other company can offer such a huge expansion in such a short time?
Useful hints for statistical liars: Stress percentage rises, cherry-pick rate increases, and make predictions based on simple linear extrapolation.
If you have only a small number of cars, pick a statistic where small numbers are good – the whole Tesla fleet only creates X amount of CO2 compared to the fleet of Fords and GMs.
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Dodgy Geezer…
Get a grip, man! “3 times” doesn’t sound big enough to impress people! Let’s call it a 300 percent increase instead……or maybe we could design an “EV anomaly” based on the deviation from average sales of electric cars from 1972-2010 and show how EVs will take over the world and save the planet!/sarc off
except 3x is a 200% increase. 😉
Either way, such an increase in squat is still squat.
@Roy Spencer – Hmmpf, denialist! The models says it’s 300%.
Dr. Spencer probably forgot to apply the anthropogenic aerosol flux adjustment… 😉
We’ll just say 300% rise anyway, Roy. It sounds bigger, and nnumerate people won’t know the difference. That’s most voters. If anyone catches on, we’ll just say it’s “standard kleptocratic nomenclature” and that they should shut up or we’ll send Al Gore around.
except that it is 300% of the previous level
You guys aren’t thinking big enough. EV sales increased 200% compared to an overall sales increase of around 20%. So the correct way to say it is:
EV sales increased at a rate 900% faster than ICE cars.
David, is that anything like a Heisenberg compensator?
You guys are still thinking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too small.
If you want a REALLY impressive statistic, then you need to reduce each vehicle to the number of atoms contained in its entire construction, and then multiply 200%…ugh… 300%…ugh…whatever by that number of atoms (probably 10 to some humongous large power). And then define the amount of energy in this number of atoms in terms of Hiroshima bombs, if all the energy could be extracted.
Now THAT’s an impressive statistic !
Its about wording.. It has increased to 300%!
Except that the”Manufacture”of Tesla batteries alone,produces 8″Years”worth of CO2.That alone makes EV ‘look ridiculous.WE abandoned”Electric cars”(along with the Stanley Steamer)100 years ago and windmills 60 years ago.They were replaced by”Coal Power”and”Internal Combustion”engines.So remind me how come the Greenies keep telling US that EV’s and Wind power are the future?
And at that rate of increase, every vehicle will be electric right soon now? Sort of the same argument Ehrlich made on population, with the same validity.
Tom
well, by 2040 the UK government will have banned the sales of all IC engined cars, so it all must be true! We’ll all soon be driving around like the Jetsons. 🙂
So what I’m hearing is France is set to make a killing selling cars to people from the UK.
“by 2040 the UK government will have banned the sales of all IC engined cars”….
and put 100’s of thousands of people out of work
and prevented 100’s of thousands more from getting to work.
MarkW
What work?
In response to Kurly’s idea that France will make a killing selling ICE cars in the UK, not so fast. It would take a lot of engineering to build a mirror-image French car with the steering wheel on the right to be driven in the UK. The Japanese car-makers (Toyota, Honda, etc.) will probably fill the void more quickly, because they already make cars with the steering wheel on the right for use in Japan, where cars drive on the left.
Ah, but the Brexit agreement with the EU will require the UK to change to driving on the right by 2040…
Who’s going to pay to turn all the signs around?
David,
My understanding is that, due to a paragraph in the Lisbon Treaty, Foreign HGVs will be able to (required to) drive on the right from 2032, with 3 Tonne trucks changing in 2036, and all surviving cars in 2040.
Auto
I’ll make a point to stay off road from 2032 on.
An old joke here in Norway is that when Sweden switched to right side driving in 1967, they did it step by step. Buses and lorries the first day, then other cars and motorcycles…. 😉
According to one of our trolls, in Europe the subsidize electrics even more than we do. They also sell more electrics per capita than we do. And this proves that even absent subsidies, electrics are poised to take over the market.
Mark,
Agree that trolls may say that . . . . . . . . . .
Not all trolls are connected with reality.
Auto
To evaluate the statistics, one must look into the future when there will be no subsidies, electricity will be taxed just like fuels (fossil), etc. For example, our cash strapped state of Connecticut just extended the rebates for EVs. Sickening. For a good comparison of true costs of gas and el., similar cars, read https://www.masterresource.org/electric-vehicles/energy-usage-cost-gasoline-vs-electric/.
I was just at the Ford place wishing for a King Ranch 4X4. But I wonder if the rate of increasing rim size to decreasing tire height will have them on the ground. Even the Navigators, not good for us curb jumpers. Any predictions?
Well ……that is how you increase the bottom line …sell more tires !
If you are lucky you may get 25K miles on a set of that style of tires ….
Low profile tires on large diameter rims offer better handling of cool fast cars I can’t afford. My 2001 Mustang GT looks fine with the 17″ tires and replacements cost about $230 CAN. Move up to 18″ rims and tire prices move up a lot. Big rims on trucks just looks odd to me but I am old and remember 12″ rims on my terrific Ford Fiesta my first car….not much bigger than the donuts we made in the family bakeshop!
My sons were all petrolheads (no daughters) and loved those wheels and low profile tyres. I used to tell them that wagon wheels went out with the stagecoach, and for good reason; who wants the teeth shaken out of their head on UK roads?
Why did you care to fake a rebuttal, when you could easily find some blog post in some EV-promoting site all to the glory of the wonderful rise?
I DDGed “electric vehicle increase sales” and got the following:
U.S. Electric Vehicle Sales Soared In 2016 –
Forbes
Electric Car Sales Increased 42% Globally In Q1 2016 …
cleantechnica.com
Electric Vehicle Sales In Canada, November 2017
Canadian plug-in electric vehicle sales in November totaled 1,938, that’s an impressive 51% increase over November of 2016.
http://www.fleetcarma.com]
Sales of electric cars rise by 120% in a year
Sales of electric cars rise by 120% in a year: More than 45,000 plug-in and hybrid vehicles are now on the road. … a 120 per cent increase
http://www.dailymail.co.uk
etc.
But… then I would feel compelled to rebut all of those articles… 😎
Does that number count the Teslas that have committed suicide?
Why sure, they are not just still on the road, they’re still all over the road
I was taught that when extrapolating you should never, never, go beyond the range of historic data. A good rule of thumb being one year of extrapolation for every seven years of history.
How is that satirical?
use seven year of extrapolation for every year of history.
“never, never” is a double negative and hence allows extrapolation. Otherwise he’d say “never, ever” and stay inside the lines.
Extrapolation by DEFINITION is going beyond historic data. Otherwise, it’s an INTERPOLATION.
He said “range of historical data”, which I took to mean the length of it.
IE, if you have seven years of historical data, it doesn’t make sense to extrapolate that 20 years into the future.
Climate models originally extrapolated the 1970 to 1990 CO2 to temperature correlation out to 2100; so a bit over 5 times the historic data.
It appears the correlation is not holding up – point taken.
Same here. The prof in linear estimation and hypothesis testing admonished us to not extrapolate. Awful awful quite unlawful according to the Mystical Statistical Court of Appeals. But that was back when we used Monroe mechanical calculators. With the pocket calculator with statistical functions, and lately with the computer, the limits of data are only a challenge, not an admonishment. You ought to see what I can do with nonlinear extrapolation of log-transformed data.
Hmm…. I thought of max speeds, and guessed that the top speed of a car in 1910 was about 10mph, while one in 1980 could do about 100mph. Linear extrapolation suggests that the top speed of cars today is about 160mph – which isn’t too far off.
Aircraft, now, would be doing silly speeds….
Yes but the 10 in 1910 should be related to the 50 mph in 1920 or 4mph/yr thus in a 100 years nowish 410 mph that is the silly analog. As per the EV discussion.
Mercer Type 35R Raceabout
The result was one of the most admired sports cars of the decade; the 1910 Type-35R Raceabout, a stripped-down, two-seat speedster, designed to be “safely and consistently” driven at over 70 mph (110 km/h). It was capable of over 90 mph (140 km/h).[citation needed] The Raceabout’s inline 4-cylinder T-head engine displaced 293 cubic inches (4,800 cc) and developed 55 horsepower (41 kW) at 1,650 revolutions per minute.[4] It won five of the six 1911 races it was entered in, losing only the first Indianapolis 500.[1] Hundreds of racing victories followed.[citation needed] The Raceabout became one of the premier racing thoroughbreds of the era- highly coveted for its quality construction and exceptional handling.[citation needed]
It’s amazing what you can do with”Numbers”
If you want a meaningful comparison you should look at all the CO₂ emissions that have been prevented by all the EV sold, versus what we would have emitted if they were ICE-vehicles.
…Oh, forget it! It is probably a too small or even negative number.
Saving the world one EV at a time. Blessed are the simpletons: for they shall inherit the earth.
I think you mean, they shall reap the whirlwind.
You would have to take into account the reduction in CO2 per mile for ICE vehicles due to improved technology during the period EVs have been available, 1997 for Prius and 1999 for Honda Insight (1st generation 17K sold)
Most Tesla owners i Norway also has (at least) one other car (Typically BMW X5, Audi Q7 or similar…). They use the Tesla to avoid paying toll/road tax…. (And some virtue signalling of course!)
Your calculations are off by an order of magnitude.
By properly adjusting and correcting the raw data, EV sales will not be a paltry 12% of vehicle sales, but will be an astonishing 120% of all sales.
You did not properly homogenize the data. In addition, to really get things hot you should Pasteurize the data as well.
Glad I could help.
Now that’s funny!
BradW
I was, momentarily suckered.
And yes, when I recovered, it was very funny.
For pure entertainment, keep an eye on the EV market in the UK. My understanding is that new petrol and diesel vehicle sales will be banned starting in 2040 (for you youngsters, twenty-two years is NOT that long of a period! My oldest car is twenty-one years old and still regularly driven.). So what are they doing to prepare for this? No new fossil-fueled power plants. No new nukes. No reinforcement of the electrical grid. No planned roll-out of charging stations. But they are building more wind and solar facilities, installing smart-meters in every residence, and….raising the price of electricity. The smart-meters will allow them to automate rationing of power as needed, or to have variable time-of-day/day-of-week rates, though they are being sold as a convenience to customers.
As we get closer to the date, it will be interesting to see what happens when the average person realizes private car ownership will be beyond their economic ability.
British politicians are astonishingly innumerate and ignorant of engineering principles. Most of them couldn’t run a sweet shop.
@ur momisugly Graemethecat: British politicians are astonishingly ignorant!
Fixed it for you, you’re welcome 😉
@Eugene: Politicians are astonishingly ignorant!
Fixed it for you.
The 2040 solution just may be fusion! Lockheed certainly seems to think so.
Fusion makes me think of this scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail…
https://youtu.be/fFufoOgCMW8
To infinite energy and beyond!
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/compact-fusion.html
https://youtu.be/UlYClniDFkM
Sorry, there is only 22 years to 2040, we need 30 more years.
Lockheed just was awarded their patent on their magnetic bottle design. The patent expires in 2039. If they haven’t made mega bucks from fusion between now and then, they killed goose before it even started laying golden eggs.
Seriously, a patent only makes sense if they can commercialize in the next decade or so.
Or if you think someone else is going to try to.
They can also extend the patent by making small improvements to the design every decade or so and applying for a new patent.
I envisage the moderately literate few who survive post-modern education who’ve managed to find a dusty chemistry book in an attic somewhere (future: teaching chemistry is bad, because people could learn to make stuff go bang) will build gassifiers, hook them up to old generators and burn whatever garbage they can scrounge to charge their spark-cars. Of course the Department For Keeping an Eye on Neighbors will have their Stasi out checking for signs of intelligence so probably best to wear a helmet with a dent in it and a yellow backpack at all times to throw them off. Optional, clip on name tag with ‘Hi, I’m Kevin’ might help too. Good luck Britain
Serfs don’t need a private automobile.
jtom – the problem in the UK isnt grid capacity. It is cell manufacturing capacity. Just to elecrify Jaguars output wod take the equivalent of several Tesla gigafactories.
For the record I am an EV enthusiast but do not approve of government meddling in markets or frigging around reducing CO2 output. My concern is the survival of the auto industry in the west
But what about hybrid vehicles? You know …the (partly) electric vehicle that you purchase because you aren’t really sure if electric is all it’s cracked up to be and you want fossil fuels for backup? (Where have I heard that before…?)
People have personal transportation because it’s convenient, saves time, and they can afford it. When EVs meet all that criteria they will start selling more because from a personal transportation perspective they are superior to ICE cars. The 1% that buy them now, the low hanging fruit, have commutes that fall within EV range, a house with a garage that they can plug them into overnight to charge, and the extra money(above ICE cars) to buy them. Some feel they are making an environmental statement. If everyone were forced to buy and use EVs within the next decade our economy and living standards would collapse due to lack of charging infrastructure, ability to afford, and range limitations. I think that’s part of the plan to force people into high density vertical living using mass transportation. Read Agenda 21, it’s no conspiracy theory.
Look at it this way : Tesla is selling every single Model 3 they can make and has a 450,000 waiting list. Ditto for their Model S and Model Y, which outsell each and every price competitive ICE model from Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, etc. GM is not only selling every Chevy Bolt electric they can make but all has thousands on waiting lists in Europe for the Ampere version. I assume that the new Nissan Leaf with a (finally) decent battery, will sell just about all they can build. The main reason electric cars are not selling vast numbers is 1) there aren’t but a few models to choose from and 2) the numbers being produced by the automakers are not yet huge (that will come) 30 the prices are still only down to the mid, upper mid level price range (that will come down in the near future,according to GM). Automakers are developing and will put into their showrooms over 120 electric models over the next few years. Porsche, VW, European Ford, Daimler are , along with others, building out a super fast recharging network, before any EVs are on the road that can take advantage of them (like the Porsche Mission e, others). Porsche is talking of a Mission e variant with a 150kWhr battery, good for close to 600 miles of driving range, and the ability to add 250 miles of range in 15 minutes of recharging. Only battery prices keep the prices of the EVs higher than ICE versions, but the differences have narrowed significantly. No ICE powered auto can compete, part or part with an electric in terms of low fuel costs, low or no maintenance costs,
acceleration (even the modest Chevy Bolt SUV can outran most gas powered cars) – the upcoming Buick version will run to 60 MPH in 4 seconds. Battery packs should outlast the car – over 15 years.
Data shows that Tesla battery packs have average only a 10% degradation over 160,000 miles. Tesla will warrantee theelectric motors in their semi for a million miles. Electrics are easy to repair and far less complicated than a gas powered drivetrain. It shouldbe patently clear that electrics are the future and the reasons have little to do with emissions.
Actually, they are the future ONLY if emission are NOT taken into consideration.
The reason is, EV need ~twice as much energy to be build (because of the battery is very energy intensive), while consuming equal or more energy in use. So they consume more energy overall.
EV may make some sense in cities. Not even sure. But not as a solution to save energy or save environement
Oh goody, I can’t wait till we start ripping more of the earth open for all that lithium.
“Data shows that Tesla battery packs have average only a 10% degradation over 160,000 miles”.
How many Teslas have traveled 160,000 miles? and how could “they” average that?
That’s the cumulative total of all Teslas maybe…
also the used batteries can be put to use as cheap grid storage.
So batteries that have no storage capacity left, can be used as cheap grid storage.
About as practical as renewable energy over all.
MarkW: I was curious how the dead batteries helped, but I thought maybe it was just one of those “blonde” moments…..
Where is your evidence that used batteries have no charging capacity at all? The newer models are holding 94% after 50,000 miles and projected to hold 90% after 100,000 miles. Even if the figure is only 75% by the time the battery gets swapped out of the car, that’s plenty to make it useful for grid storage, where space and weight are not issues. https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0219/How-much-will-Tesla-Model-S-battery-life-decrease-over-time
Chris, this is simple enough that even an alarmist such as yourself should be able to get it.
People don’t get rid of their batteries until they are near the end of their life.
If you treat a lithium battery right, it will last for 2,000 cycles before dropping below 70% of its original capacity. Treating right means mainly two things: a) don’t habitually let the state of charge drop below 20%, and b) don’t “top it off” from a high state of charge to 100% full. The manufacturers will vary in their instructions, but people who know more than I do reliably inform me that I can recharge my Think City to 100% as long as I don’t let it go below about 20% on any kind of regular basis.
I keep records, as people who have read my comments might imagine. My average state of charge before refilling has been 29% when calculated from the meter I use (ironically, the brand name is “Watts Up”), and 21% by eyeballing the gauge in the car. Average miles driven between charges have been 56, and average range to empty has been 78. Therefore, the battery in my Think City should last for 110,000 miles before hitting 70% of capacity, which is the generally-agreed kaput standard.
Trust me: That car will not structurally survive 110,000 miles. The new Chevy Bolt has a 60 kWh battery, which is 2.5x the size of my Think’s battery. Therefore, a Bolt battery, treated right, can be expected to last at leastr 275,000 miles. The EVs to watch out for on battery life are used ones, because you don’t know how they’ve been treated. (By the way, out here in the countryside, something similar applies to buying a used ATV or UTV. Owners generally beat them up something fierce, so the word is to buy a new one if you can. Tractors, on the other hand, can more often be bought used.)
The riskiest is to buy a previously-leased EV. The lessor has no incentive to treat the battery right. Nissan learned that with its first leases of LEAFs. I would be extremely reluctant to buy a LEAF coming off of lease.
Arthur, permit me to ask you a question if I may: Would you feel comfortable driving an EV on a loooong distance trip away from home (say halfway across the country) knowing that a recharging infrastructure for the EV is not readily available in most areas?
I know I would not, and I doubt that I am alone. Regardless of how glowing you feel the future of EVs might be, the recharging time (compared to a 4-5 minute fill up at a gas station for an ICE car) and the time and cost for installing a nationwide recharging infrastructure are still serious impediments for EVs.
Evacuating a city under a hurricane threat when all the power is out would be great fun.
I have been thoroughly castigated by Tesloids for telling them that it’s not a road trip car. They talk about the netwok of “superchargers,” and I laugh.
For starters, the “superchargers” are strung along main roads. It’s not a road trip — for me, anyway — if I am limited to main roads. This is America, and I inherited the road trip gene from my father. I have drive >350,000 miles in all 50 states and 10 European countries. When I take a road trip in the U.S., I go to out there, well beyond the reach of any “supercharger” network. I go to places where even 240v circuits might be hard to find. One of my favorites is a spot in SE Oregon that is farther away from an Interstate highway than any spot in the continental United States, and 70 miles miles from the nearest gas station.
Even if “superchargers” were everywhere — which they will not be — it wouldn’t help much. A Tesla will add roughly 6 miles of range per minute at a “supercharger.” My Ram 3500 will add 80 miles per minute at the diesel pump. A car comparable in size to a Tesla Model S will add 150 miles of range per minute.
If you drive a Tesla Model S and use the “superchargers,” you will recharge about every 175 miles or so. You will spend roughly one-sixth of your drive time sitting there recharging it. And that’s if there are no lines at the charger. And you’d better hope the charger is close to your route, or it’ll be even more inconvenient. When I point all this out to the Tesloids, they actually make a virtue out of stopping so often and cooling their heels for 45 minutes at a time.
I’ve made plenty of pro-EV comments here, but I am very far from an EVangelist. I think the latest battery-only EVs, at their current state of development, are well-suited for urban use. But for road trips? No way. People who own one car should own either an ICE version or a PHEV. The only way battery-only EVs will be true road trip cars is if batteries hold much, much more of a charge than today’s, at a considerably lower cost/kWh.
This is why, as a qualified supporter of EVs, I concentrate my advocacy on PHEVs.
Don’t take your EV here:
arthur4563: I agree
“Look at it this way : Tesla is selling every single Model 3 they can make and has a 450,000 waiting list. …”
That could be because despite having 450,000 orders on the books they have only managed to build about 18,000 in about a year, although they have reportedly finally exceeded their 2500/wk goal. Unfortunately, they accomplished this milestone by basically abandoning most of Musk’s highly automated production system which supposedly would be moving so fast that he had his engineers looking for ways to cut down aerodynamic drag on the line. Of course, the whole thing was shut down again this week to prepare for Elon’s new goal of 6000/wk. I don’t think I’ll be holding my breath for that one either and I certainly hope those 450,000 optimists aren’t holding theirs.
It’s funny, Arthur…for all of this alleged demand, you’ll have a hard time finding cars that depreciates faster than the Model S. One example I know of is the Nissan Leaf. Chevy Volt is notorious as well. Bolt is projected to follow in its footsteps.
Oh, and this one made me chuckle:
“…Electrics are easy to repair…”
Yeah, so easy that you have to get towed to a dealership with minor problems because of the risk of explosion of trying to fix anything yourself.
People complain enough about how hard it is to work on your own car anymore due to all of the dependence on electronics…and now vehicles even more dependent on electronics are going to be even easier to repair? How’s that? “Electrical system issue” is the most difficult to isolate and most feared repair diagnosis as well.
BTW, as far as the demand for Tesla vehicles goes…Tesla is a status symbol, and there are millions of Elon Musk fanboys. That luster will eventually go away. I’d also bet dollars to donuts that if Elon Musk announced an all-gas vehicle, he’d have an overwhelming demand and back-order as well.
Can’t you just pop into Radio Shack and pick up a repair kit? (/sarc… serious sarc)
What’s a Radio Shack?
I *am* old.
im puzzled as to why americans dont have a thriving LPG car bus n truck system going seeing as you have all that gas being fracked..
aussies have had either dual petrol/lpg cars trucks buses for well over 20yrs
an item i read pronounced how new and innovative gas trucks etc were in usa and work designing em etc was going
hell import the tech from Aus, or eu or anywhere we already sorted it.
however in Aus we used to pay 1,500k for a conversion
then the govt subsidised 1k so the price rose?? yup exactly 1k
now costs 2,5k to turn a plain petrol car to dual.
and the reason behing it all to begin with was cheap lpg
even with lower economy it was still better
then once enough were using it..the price tripled! my rural towns lpg is now 98c
petrol rising sharply at 1.39c a litre this week
I’m old enough to remember buying individual resistors and capacitors at Radio Shack.
Also building test meters from HeathKit.
EVs will have lower repair costs — Tesla notwithstanding — because electric motors are much simpler than gas or diesel engines. And no oil changes, transmissions, or exhaust systems. I think one reason for the main auto industry’s reluctance to become more electrified might be dealer resistance.
Service intervals are going to be far longer for EVs once the designs become more mature, and more of them are made by car companies as opposed to Elon the Rodeo Clown.
If we extend the rebates and tax incentives to their logical conclusion, all sales will be EVs.
Yes, the EVs will just be given away. And when the batteries won’t charge anymore, we can hand them in & get the old “cash for clunker” rebate.
In Georgia they basically were for a couple years. You could get a 3-year lease for a new Leaf as an example and the tax credit 100% covered the lease payments. At that time Georgia was a huge number of EVs sold. Second only to California. That’s a big reason why the used value is so low. No tax credit on used EVs.
doesn’t seem fair to me to exclude electric golf cart and the like in such rebuttal.
Satire isn’t supposed to be fair… 😉
Now you’re just being mean. ;*)
We should be forced to check of a green or not green square (like organ donor) on our Driver’s License.
This one piece of information would be publicaly tied to your name.
There after you would:
1.) Pay the full prorated price for green subsidies and associated higher cost of electric, at 100% of your usage, even if your area can’t provide that amount of green electric.
2.) Be required on your IRS tax form pay a fossil penalty if you haven’t purchased an EV car
(just like the health plan penalty)
3.) You have to pay the ‘social cost of rare earth metals’ extraction and recovery. You can either buy RE credits or invest in RE mining and reclamation.
4.) You have to sign up for a fully separable-mulit-path recycling garbage hauler that separates, plastics, glass, batteries, compost, clean office papers and clean cardboard, all metals and electronics So you must have 8 different colored bins by your house.
5.) You are not allowed to use natural-gas in your home otherwize, again a fossil fuel penalty/
6.) Lastly, any property you own, you must install rooftop solar AND keep if functional for the full time you own the property.
Don’t forget the “breath meter” installed on you to determine your CO2 breath-tax.
Alcohol will mask the CO2.
Gotta love Google Ads. Last week this add popped up while I was reading Eric’s post on repealing fuel economy standards…
And today, this ad popped up in this thread…
It’s almost as if Google knows me… 😉
“At this blistering pace, EV’s are on track to claiming a 13% market share by the end of the 21st century!”
Just in time for global warming to arrive. Hurray!
To EV or not to EV, is that really a question?
yup yup yup! Friends of mine have little beep-beeps and smugly talk carbon footprints, so I enjoy driving my 383 or 440 Plymouth Fury along to family events and explain to them I’m feeding the plants. Note, in Oz such cars aren’t the norm.. What cheers me is despite the supposed ‘thoughts’ (parroted sound bites) re ‘globull warming’ , they all fall about the cars and stare at them longingly. Indeed, last Christmas the family knees up saw everyone sitting on the front lawn in a circle around the beast, with ongoing requests for me to start it so they could feel the ground shaking
We live in good times 🙂
But but but … NOBODY “needs” to go that fast. Says my eco-Leftist totalitarian neighbors who would prefer I own an EV …
And nobody needs to live in anything but a small cave. But aspiring to achieve other things that we enjoy makes us human and life worth living. Of course that takes work and effort. I truly believe that many jump on board the socialist train in the hopes that if everyone suffers equally they will not have to expend any effort to compete with others and will have a built in excuse for their lot in life. When I used to interview candidates for a sales position I would ask “do yo love to win or hate to lose?” The only correct answer is “love to win” because those people will do what it takes to be successful and then enjoy the results. The “hate to lose” people would be in such fear of failure that they would often not even bother to take up the challenge. I believe that applies to so many people today, especially those that want everyone to be equal by decree.
…except for the “long til pipe”.
Maybe they’ll start plotting ev sales using anomalies, as with temperatures
Within 30 years, we will be awash with electricity and He, as new fusion plants will be rolled out. EVs lightened up with balloons will help solve this excess capacity problem.
Yes, and it only took $10,000 per vehicle in subsidies. just think waht we could do with $20,000.
If I lived in a warm climate urban environment . . . but I don’t.
I’ve never owned a Ford 150. Does a F350 count?
We also have a 1980 Chevy PU — the gas tank issue killed its trade-in/resale value, so use if for hauling and pulling stumps or logs. The F350 is newer and bought for a puller in case we get chased out by wildfire and have to live in a 28′ trailer for awhile. To get out of our part of the world there are hills, usually 10 miles down and then 10 miles up the other side. I think getting into Oregon, the hill is 23 miles with just one short horizontal spot.
Our go to town cars are Subarus — about 500 miles on a tank of gas.
“Renewable / electric everything” is promoted by the believers just like Communism was (is) by its disciples. All that is needed is for us all to convert and all the problems would go away.
This what concerns me the most.