Pielke harasser, Judd Legum, turns tail and runs from debate challenge

WUWT readers may recall that we recently highlighted how Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. had had enough of the bullying, smearing, and libel, from the Center for American Progress (CAP) who had written hundreds of negative articles and ultimately, bragged about getting Pielke fired from a writing job.

Pielke called him out, in the form of a public debate, with proceeds to charity. Predictably, Legum ran away from that.

Pielke writes:

CAP Backs Down When Challenged

Judd Legum is an editor for the Center for American Progress, where he oversees their “Climate Progress” blog.  Over the years, in his role as editor, he oversaw or wrote some 160+ articles about me on their pages, misrepresenting my research and political views.

After I wrote an article for Nate Silver at 538 in 2014, he called up Silver (and Silver’s lead editor) to demand I be fired.

In 2016, the Wikileaks releases revealed Legum was misrepresenting my work as part of a political campaign on behalf of billionaire Tom Steyer.

But that embarrassment hasn’t kept Legum away, just yesterday he again took to Twitter to misrepresent my academic work. It’s always the same playbook.

I’ve had enough of CAP and their lies, misrepresentations, and character assassination. So yesterday I challenged Legum to back up his Twitter and Wikileaks bravado in a public debate with me.


If my work has been “comprehensively debunked” by CAP and is the work of “deniers” then he should be able to destroy me in a public forum, giving a powerful lesson to anyone foolish enough to challenge him.

Here is how Legum responded in declining the opportunity to debate the subject of my 538 article that has had him so worked up over these past four years:

I think on the topic, the idea of what’s driving the costs of disasters is a technical topic that would not create a compelling public debate. The arguments all hinge on data analysis that would be boring and no readily comprehensible for a general debate.

Say what? A “technical topic”? And “not readily comprehensible”? So much for the Wikileaks bravado about debunking my work and all that.

More generally Legum responded:

I’m not sure you actually stake out any such positions that I disagree with.

This is a remarkable admission from the guy at the Center for American Progress who has overseen a decade-long effort to destroy my academic career through social media bullying, behind the scenes politicking, and the spreading of outright lies.

It also shows what happens when bullies are challenged but can’t back it up. They back down and slink away.

Read more at The Climate Fix

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Andy Pattullo
April 9, 2018 8:21 am

When he made his escape did he slither, roll, or just spread himself over the dirt like an amorphous lump. I can’t see him make the usual fast paced run for cover in the absence of a spine.

Brian R
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
April 9, 2018 8:48 am

I’m pretty sure he oozed back under his rock.
I think Dr. Pielke Jr. should go on the offencive against Judd Legum. Attack him with the truth, work to get him fired for spreading lies.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, isn’t it?

Reply to  Brian R
April 9, 2018 9:24 am

It’s very crowded under the warmist’s desks.

Bryan A
Reply to  Brian R
April 9, 2018 9:54 am

That’s just the mountainous pile of barrel scrapings taking up space and masquerading as CAP employees

Don Holland
Reply to  Brian R
April 9, 2018 1:52 pm

Fired? Not very likely. CAP belongs to George Soros. He could kill a 1,000 people and not get fired if was for a “progressive” cause

Reply to  Brian R
April 9, 2018 3:20 pm

Judd Legum, legs it. Priceless.

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
April 9, 2018 11:42 am

I think of legum oozing off like a fetid noxious vapor cloud of poorly digested food.

Tom Halla
April 9, 2018 8:34 am

Typical troll behavior.

David S
April 9, 2018 8:35 am

Mr. Piekle may I suggest another means of putting an end to his baseless criticism? Sue the pants off him!

Curious George
Reply to  David S
April 9, 2018 9:03 am

Don’t get mad. Get everything he owns.

Reply to  David S
April 9, 2018 4:47 pm

Is there any legal recourse that’s economically viable — slander, libel?
And let Steyer burn some of his $bbn defending his green pimping/pandering.
Which maybe means another charge for Legum.
Any enterprising attorneys out there?

Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers
Reply to  curly
April 10, 2018 1:23 am

Oh, no! Don’t tell me’s been Juddlegummed aka self-inflicted injury?

April 9, 2018 8:43 am

Sue him!

April 9, 2018 8:44 am

Is a lack of grammar comprehension also de rigueur for global warming alarmists?
‘no readily comprehensible’ is incomprehensible for this simple person.

David S
April 9, 2018 8:45 am

With regard to my afore mentioned lawsuit against him, perhaps WUWT readers would be willing to help with the legal expenses. I pledge $50 to that effort should you choose to undertake it.

Bob boder
Reply to  David S
April 9, 2018 10:11 am


Reply to  David S
April 9, 2018 11:03 am

I’m in. Steer me to the Donation site.

old construction worker
Reply to  David S
April 10, 2018 12:56 am

I will.

April 9, 2018 8:51 am

Judd Legum – the human invertebrate.
And I’m with David S in that you can count on me for a $50.00 contribution to your legal fees, Dr. Pielke.

Reply to  Kamikazedave
April 9, 2018 10:03 am

Juddlegum – like bubblegum, sticks to the bottom of your shoes.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Graemethecat
April 9, 2018 11:04 am

Three to many words at the end.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Graemethecat
April 9, 2018 11:04 am

Too many!!!!

April 9, 2018 8:55 am

A climate white helmet.

April 9, 2018 9:09 am

So he does not actually disagree with Pielke? That would mean that he has been lying to the world and spreading information that he considers false…and set out to get someone fired for saying things with which he agreed. Charming.
Should we consider this a recantation of his previous “work”? Or just another lie? I know what I think it is.

Max Photon
April 9, 2018 9:12 am

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Reply to  Max Photon
April 9, 2018 11:14 am

LOLOLOL!! This is classic!! Thanks, Max!!

Don Holland
Reply to  Max Photon
April 9, 2018 1:59 pm

Behold! The 2020 Democrat party candidate! Beautiful!

April 9, 2018 9:16 am

what did you expect?

April 9, 2018 9:42 am

oh judd,
you were no good,
caught in a stinging blizzard,
by Pielke jr the wizard,
no surprise that you struggle,
when your name backwards is muggle,

April 9, 2018 9:48 am

… bragged about getting Pielke fired from a writing job.

I would never suggest that anyone take to the courts. The results are often a crap shoot and the costs are horrendous.
Having said the above, malice is a big component of defamation. Dr. Pielke should be able to extract a complete retraction an a public apology from Legum. Bragging about getting Pielke fired pretty much proves malice.

Reply to  commieBob
April 9, 2018 11:29 am

Well said

Reply to  commieBob
April 10, 2018 12:36 am

Remember the 18th century cartoon of one farmer holding a cow by the horns and another farmer holding it by the tail, with a lawyer sitting on a milking stool milking the cow. I think it is titled ‘The Lawsuit’.

Non Nomen
April 9, 2018 9:53 am

Legum seems to be another of these shapeshifters. Tail between his legs, he flees the scene, back to his bucket at Deep Space Nine.

Bob boder
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 9, 2018 10:09 am

Odo never ran

Non Nomen
Reply to  Bob boder
April 9, 2018 10:28 am

I accept that. So let me put it that way: Legum returned to his bucket at highest Warp speed. If someone please closes the lid very, very tightly?

Bob boder
April 9, 2018 10:10 am

Roger, kodos for standing your ground and calling out the frauds!

April 9, 2018 10:26 am

And, just to connect the dots for anyone who likes to say “oh why is this issue so political, why do we blame the left for these statements” and so on and so forth – the Center for American Progress, which employs Judd Legum, was founded by John Podesta, the recent Chairman of the Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Campaign committee. If Hillary would have been elected, almost everyone at the CAP, including Judd Legum, could have expected high ranking government jobs where they could use their newfound power to impose their will on all of this.
THAT is why this is not a fight about science, it never has been. This fight is about an intensely ideological group using pseudoscientific ideas in order to seize political power and use it to entrench and enrich themselves.

John harmsworth
Reply to  wws
April 9, 2018 10:46 am

That is the exact truth! It is a war against Capitalism with only a an utterly failed Socialist dream of government management by elites to replace it with. Whatever problems we may have they pale in comparison to a life in the yoke of those elites. They will never pull with you!

Reply to  wws
April 9, 2018 11:15 am

Thank You. Truer words were never spoken.

Reply to  wws
April 9, 2018 4:29 pm
Eyal Porat
April 9, 2018 10:42 am

One pathetic human being.
His (lack of) action speaks for him and his sorry band of ignorant mob.
I think this has actually won the debate for you, Pielke 🙂

Reply to  Eyal Porat
April 9, 2018 11:00 am

I agree, Pielke is the winner. The other guy ran away. What could be more telling than that.
Alarmists are on the run, as they should be, because they have no evidence to back up their CAGW claims. If Legum had an argument, he would not have run away, he would have welcomed the debate.

Reply to  TA
April 9, 2018 2:55 pm

Yet they still have the blank pages on which to write their drivel.

Bill Murphy
April 9, 2018 10:48 am

…The arguments all hinge on data analysis that would be boring and no [sic] readily comprehensible for a general debate…

In other words, Legum is claiming his readers and supporters lack the education and critical thinking skills to comprehend the topic, or perhaps more likely, he is afraid some of them do have the skill and knowledge to understand and will quickly realize what a complete, empty and mendacious hack he is. Either way he has already lost, and knows it, but will never admit it.

Reply to  Bill Murphy
April 10, 2018 4:19 am

Legbums problem is that he doesn’t realise that we all understand the science, the politics and the psychology as well.

M Courtney
April 9, 2018 11:09 am

It is always the case that Alarmists refuse to debate.
They are unjustified in their claims and they know it.
That’s why the dissenting voices here who believe their catastrophist claims get so humiliated. The true believers don’t know the field.
If they did they wouldn’t dare debate.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 9, 2018 1:36 pm

If you think your belief is based upon reason, you will support it by argument rather than by persecution, and will abandon it if the argument goes against you. But if your belief is based upon faith, you will realize that argument is useless, and will therefore resort to force either in the form of persecution or by stunting or distorting the minds of the young in what is called ‘education.’ Bertrand Russell. Same old same old.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  M Courtney
April 9, 2018 2:10 pm

As Lyndon Johnson once said:
“Boys, I may not know much, but I know chicken shit from chicken salad.”

April 9, 2018 11:29 am

Two points don’ t make trend, but the alarmist debacle at the so-called “Exxon knew” trial in California, and now the cowardly lion at CAP proving he is more likely cowardly lyin’ are two interesting events to consider.
Add to that the SEC reform that permits corporations to ignore sjw posturing and bullying at stockholder meetings, and there may indeed -finally- be some ground being gsined against snti-democratic thug billionaires and their lackeys.

Joel Snider
April 9, 2018 11:53 am

I still say post his home address. E-mail, phone number, etc.
Bullies can’t handle negative attention.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Joel Snider
April 9, 2018 2:24 pm
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
April 9, 2018 6:57 pm

I agree, going after him personally is a low tactic. We should not stoop to their level of ill advised behavior. That email should be taken down. Guaranteed the worst comments will be false flag comments.

M Courtney
Reply to  Joel Snider
April 9, 2018 3:13 pm

Mods. This is unacceptable. It’s a call to bullying.
And as it helps the Russian bots it’s also unpatriotic.

John Garrett
April 9, 2018 11:53 am

Judd Legum is the very definition of a swamp creature.
He is currently engaged in the manufacture of noise. He does nothing that is productive or that contributes to the wealth or betterment of the U.S. It’s very likely that he moved to “The Mistake On The Potomac” from somewhere else and he has no prospects for gainful employment (other than continuing to read the script that is given him by his employer).

Reply to  John Garrett
April 9, 2018 1:50 pm

John, you are spot on.
The billionaires funding these faux NGOs are really funding assaults on the rule of law and democracy.
The spoiled rich boy funding Legum is invested heavily in wind and depends on the continuation of the laws forcing us to pay for his wind profits.
He is also funding some sort of impeachment movement to justify the removal of a President he doesn’t approve of….also protecting his wind interests.

Reply to  hunter
April 9, 2018 6:04 pm

Tom Steyer has a direct connection to Greenpeace USA.

The Deplorable Vlad the Impaler
Reply to  hunter
April 10, 2018 5:51 am

Not sure if anyone else saw this, but during the debate on the tax law (tax ‘reform’; used in the loosest sense possible), there was a commercial being run by someone (I never did find out who), featuring Tom Steyr.
It was interesting, not for the “information” it presented, but this line grabbed me (in paraphrase, since I do not recall the exact text): ‘The tax laws that allowed me to make millions in the stock market, will now be used against the middle class, if this law passes.’
Again: it’s a paraphrase, but it struck me: WHO made the ‘tax laws’ that allowed Ms. Steyr to make a killing in the stock market, quite possibly at the expense of the “intended” targets of the fear campaign? And now those same forces were arrayed in opposition to the changes in the tax laws?
Just didn’t pass the smell test; if someone finds the ad (he’s sitting in an outdoor setting, speaking in a normal toned-voice, and sounds sooooooooooooo concerned for us “little guys” … … … ) please put it up on WUWT, and let everyone see the innate hypocrisy of the SJW.

Lil Fella from OZ
April 9, 2018 2:02 pm

Dr. Roger Pielke Jr honesty and truth wins. The other person, oh what’s his name, is a hide away loser.

April 9, 2018 3:13 pm

“Think Progress”.
A pretentious name for a pathetic fringe group.

Gunga Din
April 9, 2018 4:03 pm

Perhaps he, as Gavin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/09/a-troubling-omission-of-condemnation-by-nasas-dr-gavin-schmidt-climateofgavin/ , believes that “Silence is golden” (as long as the gold doesn’t run out)?

Joel O’Bryan
April 9, 2018 6:50 pm

In 2016, the Wikileaks releases revealed Legum was misrepresenting my work as part of a political campaign on behalf of billionaire Tom Steyer.”

We already knew what Jedd Legum was. Now we just want to know how much he charges.

Joel O’Bryan
April 9, 2018 6:55 pm

Judd Legum makes Stormy Daniels look like a piker in regards to personal service charges to billionaires.

April 9, 2018 10:50 pm

The last admission that he does not disagree should result in a lawsuit for past harassment and lost income.

High Treason
April 10, 2018 5:34 am

We do need to take the left to court and win. The left have trashed too many reputations, deprived too many people of incomes(the ability to earn an income is a person’s most valuable asset) and discriminated in terms of employment based on opinions, especially when the truth has dared to be uttered.
Which is more insidious? Discrimination based on race or discrimination based on thought? Even worse is discrimination based on “someone might get offended.”
Time to ridicule the left for their disgraceful behaviour and give them a taste of their own medicine in court.

April 10, 2018 8:43 am

Steyer basically IS the Center for American Progress. Appreciate that even though CAP lobbies at the federal and state level, especially California, that is a not-for-profit. Steyer funds, along with other progressive billionaires almost every Left wing initiative in the country and some elsewhere. What irritates me about Steyer and is leftist billionaire brethren is they made their billions in the USA under our capitalist system, protected by our US Constitution and military. Contrary to what they say on their various websites all they seem to want is the bring down that same political and economic system. If you check out the boards and executive staff of all such organizations (environmental groups as well) the “cross fertilization” is astounding. A board member here is a attorney there, is a executive staff person there and a board member over there and on. I had a boss who had me spend the time checking for “cross fertilization” between environmental groups a decade or so ago. Such groups or individuals within such groups in turn often closely associate themselves with various high level bureaucrats not just politicians.

Gunga Din
April 10, 2018 3:31 pm


I think on the topic, the idea of what’s driving the costs of disasters is a technical topic that would not create a compelling public debate. The arguments all hinge on data analysis that would be boring and no readily comprehensible for a general debate.

“No chance of me grabbing a sound bite that doesn’t make me look like an idiot.”

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