The Children's Crusade (Lawsuit) Against Climate Change

Guest essay by Dale Leuck

A so-far not-widely-noticed lawsuit was filed in the liberal United States District Court, Eugene Oregon Division, in September 2015, in response to the failure of the December 2009 Copenhagen Conference on Climate Change to reach any meaningful agreement, and in anticipation that the December 2015 Paris Climate Conference would also not result in a legally-binding agreement. Should the plaintiffs prevail at trial, the consequences for the U.S. economy would be severe.

Should the plaintiffs prevail, United States government offices, agencies, and departments shall be ordered (Par 12) “…to cease their permitting, authorizing, and subsidizing of fossil fuels and, instead, move to swiftly phase out CO2 emissions, as well as take such other action necessary to ensure that atmospheric CO2 is no more concentrated than 350 ppm by 2100, including to develop a national plan to restore Earth’s energy balance, and implement that national plan so as to stabilize the climate system.”

The lawsuit, organized and guided by Our Children’s Trust, was filed by a group called Earth Guardians, and a group of 21 children represented by their guardians, with defendants listed as the Office of the President, and various Offices, Departments and Agencies of Government. The lead Counsel is Julia Olson, the Executive Director of Our Children’s Trust.

The essence of the suit is that many official U.S. Government documents accept that climate change will cause various kinds of harm to the environment, that will affect today’s children, as well as future generations, through such things as drought, rising sea levels, migration, and political instability. As such, the defendants are alleged to have “…violated the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.” As Mark Buchanan points out:

“They have a plausible case: In earlier proceedings, the U.S. District Court in Oregon ruled that the due process clause of the Constitution guarantees citizens an “unenumerated fundamental right” to “a climate system capable of sustaining human life.”

What Buchanan is referring to is a 54-page November 10, 2016 decision by U.S. District Court Judge Ann Aiken denying the defendant’s motion to dismiss. Judge Aiken cites the public trust doctrine (36-51); “Obergefell v. Hodges, that guaranteed the right to same-sex marriage, and Roe v. Wade (pp 30-31), as supporting fundamental rights not enumerated in the Constitution.

She found that

“…the right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society (pp.32)…just as marriage is the foundation of the family (pp.32).” Aiken agreed that “…inactions of the government…have ‘so profoundly damaged our home planet that they threaten plaintiff’s fundamental constitutional rights to life and liberty”.

Importantly, the November decision states that the “…lawsuit is not about proving that climate change is happening or that human activity is driving it. For the purposes of this motion, those facts are undisputed.” The Court is concerned about “…whether defendants are responsible…and whether this Court can direct defendants to change their policy without running afoul of the separation of powers doctrine.”

A Petition For Writ of Mandamus, to vacate the November 10 Order and dismiss the case was filed June 9, 2017 in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The Appeals Court was asked to consider the undue burden placed on all government offices, departments, and agencies to provide detailed evidence dating back roughly fifty years, in the discovery process. The three-judge Appeals panel handed down its ruling March 7,2018, denying the Petition for Mandamus because the District Court had not yet issued any discovery orders, nor had the plaintiffs yet filed any motions compelling discovery. The Appeals Court noted that “…issues can be resolved by the district court, in a future appeal, or, if extraordinary circumstances later…by mandamus relief.”

The lawsuit shall continue winding its way through the Ninth Circuit Court system, with a heavy burden of proof now placed upon the defendants, seeming the reverse of usual court proceedings, in which plaintiffs bear the burden of proof.

The lawsuit is a collaborative effort between Dr. James Hanson, of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, and The Children’s Trust, and based on a 6-page non-technical paper whose lead author is Dr. Hanson. Hanson is named in the lawsuit as the guardian of both his plaintiff granddaughter, and plaintiffs “referred to as Future Generations, (who) retain the legal right to inherit well-stewarded public trust resources and protection of their future lives, liberties, and property.” Hanson was Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), from 1981 through 2013. As one of the two sources of surface-based temperature data, GISS periodically adjusts its data to favor the global warming, an example of which in 2016 is discussed at the 4:30 mark in this Tony Heller video. Hanson’s protégé, Gavin Schmidt, employed at GISS since 1996, has headed GISS since June 2014. Schmidt is one of the eight contributors to the blog, Real Climate, along with disgraced inventor of the “hockey stick,” Michael Mann (here, here, and here). Booker, pp. 23-25, describes how Hanson, Schmidt, and Mann contribute to a politicized “climate science.”

The lawsuit has, among its plaintiffs, an articulate spokesperson, Xiuhtezcatl Martinez, the now 17-year-old climate activist and Youth Director of Earth Guardians. His vita states that the precocious Xiuhtezcatl began his career at the age of six, speaking at “…the Rio+20 United Nations Summit in Rio…to addressing the General Assembly at the United Nations in New York city. He is the 2015 recipient of the Peace First Prize, …(the) 2016 Captain Planet Award and the 2016 children’s Climate Prize, from Sweden.” Among his claimed accomplishments were getting “pesticides out of parks, coal ash contained, and moratoriums on fracking.” Xiuhtezcatl has no scientific expertise but brings “music to the masses,” but represents a sympathetic minority (Aztec) youth as an expert on things he knows nothing about.

The lawsuit states (pp.7-8) that the then-15-year old, Xiuhtezcatl, “…engages in sacred indigenous spiritual and cultural practices to honor and protect the Earth…and has suffered harm to his spiritual and cultural practices from Defendant’s actions,” as well as his “…personal safety, property, and recreational interests through the resulting increased frequency and intensity of wildfires, drought, declining snowpack, pine-beetle infested forests, and extreme flooding.” The reference to “spiritual and cultural practices” may arguably allude to an infringement upon freedom of religion.

Page 15 of the lawsuit describes the harm Defendant’s actions have caused 10-year old plaintiff Avery M, who herself has

“…worked to increase awareness in her community about climate change…and advocated for carbon dioxide reductions before her representatives at…municipal and state levels.” The harm done to Avery is related to her enjoying backpacking and “swimming in natural bodies of water.” Not only was Avery unable “…to participate in these recreational activities as frequently as past years due to warmer temperatures, drought, low water levels, forest fires, and algal blooms” but the “…increase of hungry bears in the (Yellowstone) area due to the decline in white bark pine trees forced postponement of a backpacking trip.

Then there is 13-year old plaintiff, Isaac V, who in the lawsuit expressed that summer 2015 was “…the hottest summer Isaac remembers, with temperatures at 100 degrees.” And 14-year old Miko V, an immigrant from the Marshall Islands, who

“…fears she will never be able to travel back…as she intends…because the islands will likely be underwater in the future.”

Plaintiff Sophie K., a 16 resident of Allentown, Pennsylvania “…became passionate about climate science” from stories told by her guardian (representing her in the lawsuit) and grandfather, Dr. James Hansen.

“Extreme weather events…caused Sophie to miss school on many occasions; hailstorms have damaged her house; floodwaters often inundate roads by her house…” and she is “deeply concerned about the future.”

Crusades by idealist, uninformed, and undereducated children, motivated and supported by malevolent adults generally do not end well. The Children’s Crusade of 1212, to expel Muslims from the holy land, for example, was inspired by the teachings of adult preachers. Much like the global warming hysteria, the preaching appealed to idealistic youth, who were torn from and sometimes encourage by their families, and thrust into a closed environment of groupthink. Some thirty thousand, most not yet teenagers, led by a youth known as “Stephen,” massed at Vendome, and trekked towards the port of Marseilles, many dying on the way. When the sea refused to part, as Stephen claimed Christ Himself had promised, in a vision, many turned against him. As if a miracle, two merchants offered seven ships to carry them to the Holy Land. Eighteen years later, a returning French priest, who had accompanied the children, revealed that the two merchants had arranged to sell the children and accompanying adults into slavery. The priest had survived and prospered because of his education, eventually set free.

The youths party to the lawsuit shall most certainly find life disappointing, even if the lawsuit succeeds. But, its success will create an obvious onerous burden on all generations.

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March 31, 2018 1:15 pm

They just love these human shields. They use Polar Bears, Kittens, Babies, etc etc etc, everything they can to avoid addressing the science. They act more like political activists than scientists.
Delingpole: Finally ‘Climate Change’ Gets Its Scopes Monkey Trial–and the Bad Guys Are Gonna Lose
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/delingpole-finally-climate-change-gets-its-scopes-monkey-trial-and-the-bad-guys-are-gonna-lose/

Chimp
Reply to  co2islife
March 31, 2018 1:34 pm

It’s worrisome that Judge Alsup venerates William O. Douglas, who first perpetrated the crime of jurisprudence as legislation by discovering the previously unobserved “right to privacy” in the Constitution based upon “emanations from the penumbra of the Fifth Amendment and self-incrimination clause”. First elaborated in the 1960s heroic age of judicial activism and creative text-twisting, this fr@ud also served as the dubious basis for Roe against Wade.
Now Aiken extends this bogus principle without citing any constitutional basis for the unenumerated right she finds to climate correctness. Thus because previous justices found unenumerated rights, she’s free to invent any and all that might please her ideologically.
We thus have the rule of man and woman rather than of the law. The USSC would overturn her ruling, should it ever reach them.

Mike Ozanne
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 2:41 pm

Well I’ve read through the whole tortuous verbiage of the RvsW decision and discounting all the non-sequiturs invoked indicating that the court would like to find for the plaintiff if it comes down to a simple use case :
A woman walks into a doctors surgery and walks out a while later perfectly well. does the state have any interest requiring legal intervention? And the answer is no.
No true “conservative” should oppose RvsW . To oppose it supports the idea that big government should involve itself in personal medical decisions like some vile Stalinist dictatorship…
Wrong wrong wrong..

Chimp
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 2:56 pm

For me one issue is whether states or the federal government should decide what constitutes murder within a state’s jurisdiction. Same goes for same-sex marriage and opposite-sex bathrooms.
Another issue is that R v. W is clearly legislation rather than jurisprudence. IMO five unelected officials shouldn’t legislate for the whole country.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 3:43 pm

Chimp, the legal doctrine in Roe v. Wade is “substantive due process”, a sorta climb down from the Slaughterhouse Cases reading of the 14th Amendment. As it gives judges the ability to do whatever they please, some judges adore the doctrine. For a takedown of the doctrine, read Clarence Thomas’ concurrence in Chicago v. McDonald.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 3:07 pm

A pregnant woman walks into a man’s house and comes out bruised and no longer pregnant but declines medical attention and claims to be well. Does the state have any interest in what took place inside the house?
What about when she is later hospitalized or dies due to injury, apparently from an abortion?
And what magical formula says that a fetus of a certain stage has no fights and a day later is a human being?
Just askin’.

Chimp
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 3:51 pm

Tom,
It’s the odious doctrine that the law is whatever the judges say it is. Hence, a nation of men and women, not of laws.
I’m in Thomas’ court. The only acceptable principle of jurisprudence, if there must be judicial review, is originalism. Judges need only and should only try to determine the lawmakers’ intent, not to twist whatever alleged meaning out of statutes’ verbiage to permit them to do whatever they want.
As Mike must know, there are different kinds of conservatives. His view looks libertarian. Paleo or traditionalist conservatives, whether Christian or otherwise, take a different view. Hayek famously wrote he wasn’t a conservative, which in European terms, he wasn’t. There and then, that might still include monarchists who didn’t think they should vote, like Waugh, because it wasn’t their place to tell His or Her Majesty whom his or her advisers should be.
Today both the modern equivalent of Tories, ie social conservatives, and Whigs, ie economic conservatives, are conservatives, but of very different stripes.

HDHoese
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 3:51 pm

I have read the text of a few USSC decisions and was surprised as to how some justices argue so little law with so much appeal to emotion. Is this part of the Aiken OPINION AND ORDER a (not very good dictatorial) legislative action?
“Rather, they ask the Court to declare the United States’ current environmental policy infringes their fundamental rights, direct the agencies to conduct a consumption-based inventory of United States C02 emissions, and use that inventory to “prepare and implement an enforceable national remedial plan to phase out fossil fuel emissions and draw down excess atmospheric C02 so as to stabilize the climate system and protect the vital resources on which Plaintiffs now and in the future will depend.” First Am. Comp!. at 94. This Court could issue the requested declaration without directing any individual agency to take any particular action.”
At the end of the order–“…emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is.” I thought the duty was interpret, not say.

rogerthesurf
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 5:17 pm

“the right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society”
Surely one could contradict this phrase on economic as well a humanitarian grounds. Substitute “the right to have a sustainable economy capable of sustaining human life”
Eating in the here and now, is far more fundamental than following flawed scientific theories.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 7:08 pm

The Government would like it a LOT better if you didn’t have a right to privacy.

Chimp
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 7:29 pm

M Simon March 31, 2018 at 7:08 pm
No one doubts that there is an implied right to privacy inherent in the 5th Amendment and common law. The issue is how that was twisted to make it illegal for states to legislate abortion laws. And then for that stretch to serve as the basis for whole swaths of dubious rights not inherent in natural, common of constitutional law. Such as “Title IX rights” and “welfare rights”, now to include “climate rights”.

gnomish
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 7:34 pm

ok, so notice that the argument is ‘rights’ and that’s how they always win because nobody can argue against rights.
so it’s stupid to debate science- it’s a losing argument.
next, notice that
“the right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society”
can not be true because it drops the context (deliberately) which nobody noticed cuz they are not critical thinkers; they are wannabe pundits with no comprehension of logical fundamentals.
the significant part of the context that is undiscloses is ‘AT WHOSE EXPENSE’
that’s how they always get that catheter into your main vein, impotent chatmongers.
do you now expect mercy? hahahahaha

Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 8:33 pm

Chimp
March 31, 2018 at 7:29 pm
Well yes. But so many times in this particular debate the beginning is “The Constitution mentions no right to privacy.” As you point out it is misconstrued. The arguments are twisted. etc. None the less a right to privacy is fundamental.
My take on the issue? If it keeps going the way it has been going there will be a lot fewer leftists in our future. I wouldn’t interfere.
BTW there is no Drug Prohibition Amendment. When I bring that up in these discussions….. Well. You can imagine.

Chimp
Reply to  Chimp
March 31, 2018 8:49 pm

Simon,
Right to privacy is indeed in the penumbra of the 5th Amendment, other parts of the Constitution, English common law and natural rights. But emanations therefrom get into cloud cuckoo land.

MarkW
Reply to  Chimp
April 1, 2018 9:57 am

Mike, the fact that you miss is that two people walk into the clinic, only one walks out well, the other dies.

Chimp
Reply to  Chimp
April 1, 2018 2:09 pm

Mark,
Technically, one person walks in, while the other is carried.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  co2islife
April 1, 2018 5:13 pm

CO2isLife – Delingpole makes the mistake in his article that they will discuss the science. It doesn’t appear to me that is on the table at all. The question is whether the Court would run afoul of the separation of powers clause.
If the judge rules that it doesn’t, then it goes to a higher court.

Reply to  kaliforniakook
April 1, 2018 5:17 pm

California, will you explain that comment more?

March 31, 2018 1:18 pm

Placing limits on CO2 level in the atmosphere reveals lack of knowledge. http://i68.tinypic.com/15znrs0.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

Chimp
March 31, 2018 1:20 pm

Another egregious decision by U.S. District Court Judge Ann Aiken:
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/eastern_oregon_cattle_ranchers.html
The Hammonds were railroaded by lying, land-grabbing Bureau of Land Management bureaucrats, as recognized by the trial judge in his apparently lenient sentencing, overturned by Democrat activist Aiken.

Reply to  Chimp
April 2, 2018 10:55 am

As you probably know, there is a lot more to the story than that.
Ann Aiken is a very scary bitch. Hopefully stuff like this will keep her from being considered for any other position.

Tom Halla
March 31, 2018 1:21 pm

James Hansen again? The old boy has made such accurate predictions of doom that I am in awe of his temerity in remaining active in the field of climate science./snark

W Barkley
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 31, 2018 9:54 pm

His grandkids took the great Manhattan flood
story to heart.

Barbara
Reply to  W Barkley
April 1, 2018 3:19 pm

How did Hansen become guardian of his grand children? Are the parents deceased or unable to care for their children?

Barbara
Reply to  W Barkley
April 1, 2018 5:49 pm

Blog – Climate Science, Awareness and Solutions, Inc.
Youth & Colombia Forests, March, 2018
Re: Sophie Kivlehan, granddaughter of James Hansen
According to this website:
Tutela (Guardianship) action provided by the Colombian Constitution.
Youth ,ages between 7 and 26
http://www.climatescienceawarenesssolutions.org/blog-1

Barbara
Reply to  W Barkley
April 1, 2018 7:23 pm

Climate Science, Awareness and Solutions, Inc.
Re; Tutela Action and James Hansen, Colombia
Amicus Curire Brief, Bogota, Colombia, 01-2018
http://www.dejusticia.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Amicus-James-Hansen.pdf?x54537

Barbara
Reply to  W Barkley
April 2, 2018 8:51 am

Dejusticia, Bogota, Colombia, 2018
Scroll down to: Amicus Brief, filed by James Hansen.
http://www.dejusticia.org/en

Barbara
Reply to  W Barkley
April 2, 2018 10:07 am

Climate Science, Awareness And Solutions Inc., New York, New York
Re: Support of the work of the Citizens’ Climate Lobby and Our Children’s Trust.
http://www.climatescienceawarenesssolutions.org/#climate-science-awareness-and-solutions-inc

Barbara
Reply to  W Barkley
April 2, 2018 5:48 pm

Climate Science, Awareness and Solutions, Inc.
According to this website: Officers and Board.
Board includes
Bill McKibben
Jim Miller
Larry Travis
Scroll down to page bottom.
https://www.climatescienceawarenesssolutions.org/blog-1/2017/12/12/the-peaceful-revolutionary-party?rq=donors

Admin
March 31, 2018 1:22 pm

What a sad story, the Children’s crusade. Everyone should hear that story I think, some important lessons.

Chimp
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 31, 2018 1:41 pm

Revisionist historians have called the traditional narratives into question.

commieBob
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 31, 2018 1:51 pm

The children are the tools of the unscrupulous and deranged. wiki

Reply to  commieBob
March 31, 2018 3:17 pm

commieBob
Children should be seen, not heard.
Even my kids agree.

Sheri
Reply to  commieBob
March 31, 2018 7:50 pm

Yes, they are tools of said persons because parents do not protect them, society does not protect them and they cannot protect themselves against something this monsterous.

Dan Sage
Reply to  commieBob
April 1, 2018 5:42 am

This is all done by 350.org. They are the organization behind this. James Hansen is their guru. I don’t know that anyone in the leadership or rank and file has any scientific background. Notice the reference to 350 ppm in the law suite.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 31, 2018 2:05 pm

Entirely appropriate that they should recycle the term “Children’s crusade”. That resulted from a misunderstanding of a date that appears twice in Revelation 11.3 and 12.6: ” … a thousand two hundred and threescore days … ” interpreted as “we must get the [Islamists] to relinquish Jerusalem before 1260 AD”. Right date, wrong calendar; AH not AD.

john
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 31, 2018 3:48 pm

I penned this article awhile back. I do not like adults using kids for their greedy motives.
http://dailybail.com/home/kids-climate-crusade-keeps-rolllin-through-the-courts.html
Now for the latest edition of: As The Turbine Burns…
http://okcfox.com/news/local/photos-wind-turbine-catches-fire-sparks-grass-fire-in-western-oklahoma

john
Reply to  john
March 31, 2018 3:55 pm

Watch them stack the courts with Reserve Judges like Massachusetts…

NW sage
Reply to  john
March 31, 2018 6:25 pm

Agree about using children. IMO those hiding behind the ‘childern’s march’ scam need to be vigorously prosecuted for child abuse (mental and physical) and mental cruelty.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 31, 2018 5:44 pm

You have to feel for the kids caught up in this charade.comment image?zoom=2&zoom=2

Sheri
Reply to  Ron Clutz
March 31, 2018 7:48 pm

They are being used as tools just as the kids from Florida are. When this fails, everyone goes home and the kids have zip. No one cares a whit about the kids in this. Nothing. Except the people who question global warming—you know them. The ones accused of not caring. Projection runs rampant.

Peter Plail
March 31, 2018 1:28 pm

But who is going to pay for the CO2-proof fence that would need to be erected around the US to prevent third party CO2 breaking the law.

Reply to  Peter Plail
March 31, 2018 7:19 pm

They’re gonna have a war” — song “Industrial Disease”

March 31, 2018 1:37 pm

The question to ask is, “What is the best way to protect the US people from climate change?
If this “…lawsuit is not about proving that climate change is happening or that human activity is driving it. For the purposes of this motion, those facts are undisputed” then don’t dispute it.
That would be relying on the whim of the Judge. And Sartre-101 tells us that the decision was already made when the choice of whom to ask was made.
Instead dispute that trying to control the weather through trace gas emissions is less safe than trying to respond and prepare for the weather through the creation of wealth.
All the history of the world and the study of geography shows that adaptation works.
While weather control is unproven.
In fact, even if climate control was possible, that would not defend the people from the weather. Outliers still happen.
Policies that emphasise climate control over the economy should be ruled unconstitutional.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  M Courtney
March 31, 2018 3:14 pm

The answer to your question is to ensure that the Earth warms enough to offset the inevitable plunge out of this interglacial. That the current interglacial will end is the only undisputed fact in any climate change discussion.
BTW if one were ordered to “move to swiftly phase out CO2 emissions” everyone must stop breathing.

Chimp
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 31, 2018 3:34 pm

The potential 3000 years hence of giant, nuclear-powered blow driers to melt the forming ice sheets might cast even the certainty of the next glacial advance into doubt.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  M Courtney
April 1, 2018 5:40 pm

Excellent, Mr. Courtney.

Rob
March 31, 2018 1:39 pm

Shut the fuel off to these fools.

Old44
Reply to  Rob
March 31, 2018 2:48 pm

A courtroom without electricity might do the trick.

Reply to  Old44
March 31, 2018 3:20 pm

Old44
That would be a cave. Just where these ingrates belong.

Robertvd
Reply to  Rob
March 31, 2018 3:40 pm

Most of these children and their parents would not be alive without abundant cheap energy. Cities have never been so clean.Will they start a lawsuit as soon as New York is threatened by a 2 mile thick glacier?

Luc Ozade
March 31, 2018 1:41 pm

The children’s guardians, the “Earth Guardians” , “Our Children’s Trust” and James Hansen et al should themselves be prosecuted for lying to the children and spreading malicious and unscientific fake news.

Hivemind
Reply to  Luc Ozade
March 31, 2018 2:50 pm

Unfortunately there is no law against lying to children. Otherwise, how do you explain the Easter Bunny?

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Hivemind
March 31, 2018 3:26 pm

there there should be a law against purposeful lying. Because there isnt tabloids can say anything along with climate scientists.

Sheri
Reply to  Hivemind
March 31, 2018 7:45 pm

I don’t. Nor Santa either. Lying to children is not cool.

drednicolson
Reply to  Hivemind
April 1, 2018 8:39 am

Who would decide what is lying and what isn’t? That’s the rub. Any such law would immediately become the political weapon of whoever currently has the “truth” on their side.
And what of other classic stories used to teach moral lessons to generations of kids, e.g. the Boy who Cried Wolf? Those are fiction. That’s another rub, the grey area of the lie that tells a truth.

kaliforniakook
Reply to  Hivemind
April 1, 2018 5:59 pm

Sheri – My parents telling me about Santa was one of my first opportunities to argue with them about the logistical problems and implausible physics of the concept.
Of course, I also discovered they did not like like those kinds of arguments.
Later, Mom said if God wanted us on the moon, he would have put us there. I got knocked down when I responded that if he wanted us to fly he would have given us wings. (She worked in United Airlines flight kitchen – Denver at the time.)
I knew I had scored. I knew my logic and knowledge was superior as it could not be refuted with words – only violence. That gave me great pleasure.
And it all started with Santa Claus!

Ron Long
March 31, 2018 1:41 pm

I was born in Eugene, Oregon, but I don’t live there anymore because those people ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL AND PROUD OF IT!

PaulH
March 31, 2018 1:41 pm

It’s called ideological child abuse.

Linda Goodman
March 31, 2018 1:44 pm

Climategate stopped everything in its tracks, followed by a mass exodus of former true believers. So the emails between the junk climate scientists that proves that AGW is a fraud should be admissible. Slam-dunk! Or am I missing something? I’m no expert.

JBom
March 31, 2018 1:50 pm

Possibly an outline for the “lets get rich” scheme of the “parents” of the dead students (in addition to collecting on life insurance policies) and certainly the Five MSD “Survivors” who are attacking conservatives and being payed riches by liberal MSM organizations.

Alexander Carpenter
March 31, 2018 1:51 pm

The climate is outside the jurisdiction of the courts, and a jurisdictional challenge is called-for.

CD in Wisconsin
March 31, 2018 1:51 pm

“…to cease their permitting, authorizing, and subsidizing of fossil fuels and, instead, move to swiftly phase out CO2 emissions, as well as take such other action necessary to ensure that atmospheric CO2 is no more concentrated than 350 ppm by 2100, including to develop a national plan to restore Earth’s energy balance, and implement that national plan so as to stabilize the climate system.”.
How pray tell is the United States supposed to ensure that CO2 levels are no more than 350 ppm by 2100 all by its lonesome self? How can it force the cooperation of the rest of the world to ensure it happens? How is the U.S. supposed to stop natural drivers of climate (never mind CO2) to ensure that we “stabilize the climate system”? What exactly constitutes “climate stability”? “Swiftly” phase out CO2 emissions? How fast is “swift”‘? How much is this going to cost us?
If nuclear power is out of the question for these bozos, do they believe that wind and solar energy by themselves will cut it as alternatives? I seriously question whether the people behind this have anything of significance between their ears. This is what happens when mass hysteria and groupthink rules the day.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
March 31, 2018 7:26 pm

How pray tell is the United States supposed to ensure that CO2 levels are no more than 350 ppm by 2100 all by its lonesome self?
The US has a military for those kinds of problems.
====
You know. I don’t think these kids have thought it through.

Chimp
Reply to  M Simon
March 31, 2018 7:32 pm

More sad is the fact that Judge Aiken hasn’t thought it through, either.
But then, she’s a Democrat, so there you go. Thinking things through is not her bag.

drednicolson
Reply to  M Simon
April 1, 2018 8:43 am

Damn the consequences (unintended or otherwise)! What matters is that the Cause will be Served!

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
March 31, 2018 1:55 pm

Is there not scope for a legal action against any mitigation measures on the grounds that ceasing from the use of fossil fuels will collapse civilisation and kill milliions for certain as against speculative, unproven and venal CO2 mystification?i

ddpalmer
March 31, 2018 2:03 pm

“…to cease their permitting, authorizing, and subsidizing of fossil fuels and, instead, move to swiftly phase out CO2 emissions, as well as take such other action necessary to ensure that atmospheric CO2 is no more concentrated than 350 ppm by 2100, including to develop a national plan to restore Earth’s energy balance, and implement that national plan so as to stabilize the climate system.”
Sounds to me like the plaintiffs want relief that they can’t get. If the US shut down every CO2 producing process occurring within the US (except killing all the people), it STILL wouldn’t prevent CO2 levels from increasing.
Well I guess the US could nuke every other country on Earth to stop them from emitting any CO2, which would result in retaliatory strikes that would destroy the US. The end result would be the extermination (or close to it) of all humans and most other multicellular life, but I guess that would stop the man made emissions of CO2.

RockyRoad
March 31, 2018 2:06 pm

Here’s an article entitled “Trump Vindicated on Paris Climate Accord Pull-Out”:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/trump_vindicated_on_paris_climate_accord_pullout.html
The Left’s assumption that central planning is the solution to anything has been shown to be bogus… again!

March 31, 2018 2:27 pm

What a load of bollocks. This really is the Age of Stupid

4 Eyes
March 31, 2018 2:39 pm

Using kids – disgusting. How low can the alarmists go?

Hivemind
Reply to  4 Eyes
March 31, 2018 2:53 pm

They can go a lot lower than this, believe me.

Robertvd
Reply to  Hivemind
March 31, 2018 3:46 pm

1010 no pressure. They make them explode.

R. Shearer
Reply to  4 Eyes
March 31, 2018 5:20 pm

Forced abortions, executions are probably not out of the question.

David L. Hagen
March 31, 2018 3:09 pm

Our Children are again being sold into slavery – to bear forever the burden of massive debt and interest incurred by this lawsuit forcing government payments on We the People to be born by our children.

Robertvd
Reply to  David L. Hagen
March 31, 2018 3:51 pm

No no you are a slave Form 1040 tells you so. There can be no Free people and direct taxation. If your are not free you are a slave.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertvd
March 31, 2018 3:58 pm

https://youtu.be/kZX1bvj_z0E
The income-tax is voluntary.

Chimp
Reply to  Robertvd
March 31, 2018 4:00 pm

So says the elder Schiff, who died in prison due to that belief.
I’m all for repealing the 16th (income tax) amendment, but since 1913, it has been the law of the land.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertvd
March 31, 2018 4:48 pm

Exactly since the enactment of the Federal Reserve System the USA is a mafia. Which makes you a slave.

Reply to  Robertvd
March 31, 2018 7:30 pm

Robertvd
March 31, 2018 at 3:58 pm
Schiff is correct. I have read some of the early cases. None the less you will go to jail if you take his position.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertvd
April 1, 2018 2:53 am

And die there. That is what has become of the land of the free, it has become the land of the tax slave.It was the way to circumvent the constitution. Slavery has never been abolished it just changed its appearance. That’s why politics don’t change whoever is in ‘power’. The bad guy in the movie won.

Reply to  Robertvd
April 1, 2018 6:58 am

There’s no secret to avoiding income tax — Hillary & most elites do it. Just hide most/all your income in a money-laundering NGO like the Clinton Foundation.

Grant
March 31, 2018 3:12 pm

By this logic, one could argue that the very existence of these young people is making the planet uninhabitable. We should parents for having kids.

March 31, 2018 3:15 pm

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.?

Tom in Florida
March 31, 2018 3:16 pm

Are you anti-gun people finally beginning to grasp the real purpose of our 2nd Amendment?

Robertvd
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 1, 2018 3:04 am

Anti-gun people love Mao and Stalin.
They have been brainwashed by the system which is very easy when you get them young. That makes them so violent.
https://youtu.be/KHxFuO2Nk-0

DMA
March 31, 2018 3:25 pm

If this “…lawsuit is not about proving that climate change is happening or that human activity is driving it. For the purposes of this motion, those facts are undisputed”
doesn’t the plaintiff still have to prove damages?
The concept being used is that the US Constitution guarantees citizens an “unenumerated fundamental right” to “a climate system capable of sustaining human life.”
Don’t the plaintiffs have to demonstrate that the actions of Government have or are failing this guarantee? Who has died due to the incontestable human caused climate change? Human life is sustained in every climate found on earth so far. It is easier to sustain life if abundant energy is available. The US Government has allowed the production and use of fossil fuels to help sustain life so it has complied with this guarantee.

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