Erie, PA buried under 13 feet of snowfall – breaks all-time record

From the “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past” by climate scientist Dr. David Viner department comes this news from NOAA/NWS:

With 156 inches between December 2017 and February 2018, Erie, Pennsylvania, set a new record for most winter snowfall:

Via NOAA/NCEI on Twitter

156 inches is 13 feet.


The next closest in the nation was Syracuse, NY with 102.3 inches. More here

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John Bell
March 8, 2018 8:46 am

A very big joy to see all the climate alarmist predictions shattered by reality. their house of cards is falling, amazing to witness it all, as they have to eat their words.

Roger Graves
Reply to  John Bell
March 8, 2018 11:40 am

A very big joy to see all the climate alarmist predictions shattered by reality. their house of cards is falling, amazing to witness it all, as they have to eat their words.

Not really, no. All the warmunists will say, whatever happens, is “see, that’s what climate change looks like – we told you so!”, and the MSM will lap it up. You could have glaciers in Florida and the warmunists would still declare it’s all due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide. Never assume consistency or any kind of a moral sense in warmunists.

M Montgomery
Reply to  Roger Graves
March 8, 2018 1:27 pm

Precisely. It’s whatever it takes to win the power over your pocketbook. Alarmist Gumbies are uniquely flexible with their science.

Reply to  Roger Graves
March 8, 2018 1:52 pm

I think it’s more a matter of (all) people, especially in polarized cultures and who’ve argued strenuously for an opinion they hold, simply have an insanely difficult time changing that opinion, or admitting that they might have been (even partially) mistaken. Sadly, it seems almost everyone’s heart is in the right place. But mixing good intentions with fear, then throw in a couple potent wedge issues to make it seem like an either/or decision and ta-da! You arrive at where we currently are today.

Reply to  Roger Graves
March 8, 2018 8:25 pm

You are assuming everyone’s motives are pure and beneficent.
They are not…far from it.

Reply to  Roger Graves
March 8, 2018 9:46 pm

They’re not relying on facts (or science) to think, but rather what they’re told by Authority Figures (“The Science”) to know.
facts only obfuscate things for the simple minded and drives them more strongly toward Definite Truths (propaganda)

David Cage
Reply to  Roger Graves
March 9, 2018 9:23 am

They sold us global warming so forget climate change as an argument. When global warming failed I have every right to discount any further purchases form a failed supplier without having to justify my actions.

Aaron Watters
Reply to  Roger Graves
March 9, 2018 9:26 am

I really think it is more about the religious impulse more than anything else. That old time religious feeling will make people immune to all contrary evidence. Think of all the other religions out there (except for your own, of course) — how can all those people be so gullible and ignore all the historical and scientific evidence that it’s bunk?
For example if some guy in Palestine claimed to have a special relationship with God and the Roman rulers got annoyed and had him killed, his followers would probably come up with some explanation that it was all part of God’s plan… (oops)

Reply to  John Bell
March 9, 2018 12:48 pm

Somebody said something questionable about global warming: global warming disproved.
Skeptics: The world is cooling; the urban island effect is the reason for warming; it’s the sun; it’s paused and now we’ll have cooling that will devastate the world and the economy; sealevel rise is decelerating; the Arctic ice is recovering; it’s the quality of surface stations; it’s all due to data adjustment; it’s climategate; it’s a conspiracy of leftists to wreck the economy and take us back to the stone-age; etc, etc, etc, etc.
But skeptics are right,

[The mods congratulate you on finally becoming a skeptic. -mod]

March 8, 2018 8:47 am

That’s an awful lot of global warming to shovel away. Where does it all go?

Bryan A
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 8, 2018 10:11 am

They should load it into Train Cars and ship it to California

Reply to  Bryan A
March 8, 2018 1:18 pm

Allow it to melt it first and then evaporate so the wind can blow the moisture our way. That will take far less energy, but it may take a few months. 🙂

Gunga Din
Reply to  Bryan A
March 8, 2018 3:40 pm

“Snow Trains of Death!”
That has a nice ring to it. But I think I’ve something like that before……

Reply to  Bryan A
March 8, 2018 8:26 pm

I think it mostly runs off and winds up right back from whence it came.

Reply to  Bryan A
March 8, 2018 8:29 pm

Also, typical ratio of snow to water is ten to one. Seems to me lake effect snows happen in very cold weather, so it may be an even dryer grade of snow…can be as much as 20″ snow per inch of moisture.
Likely something somewhat above ten to one.
Still a lot, even at 20:1

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 8, 2018 10:11 am

Well, toward March and April, global warming, which we also call Spring, kicks in and melts all the global warming-created global cooling-related snow. It’s simple, we are responsible for everything that happens or does not happen. It must be us.

Reply to  higley7
March 8, 2018 10:19 am

This may not be the end of it either….I think I saw where another front was coming

Reply to  higley7
March 8, 2018 8:31 pm

Erie is frozen over at that end. That turns off the lake effect.comment image

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  higley7
March 9, 2018 5:53 am

Erie is frozen over at that end. That turns off the lake effect.

But the winds are currently blowing from the West-southwest and can pick-up moisture from the ice-free west end of Lake Erie, …… but where it drops it as “snowfall” is questionable.
To wit:

Bill Powers
March 8, 2018 8:49 am

When you trade in propaganda, you can’t conflate weather and climate until you need to conflate weather and climate. The alarmists currency is SPIN not truth.

Reply to  Bill Powers
March 8, 2018 8:58 am

The spin I heard on the news this morning was that the arctic region was the warmest ever on record this last winter, (note: the spring equinox is not yet here), and that because of this, southern latitudes are getting more snow. Has the Earth tilted so that latitude 45N is now latitude zero – or did I miss something?

leslie graham
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 3:18 pm

The Arctic IS the warmest on record for the time of year. Simple measurements from thermometers and satellites confirm this.
Ice extent is also at the lowest level for the time of year and ice volume is at the second lowest volume for the time of year. I don’t have a dog in this fight and I don’t know what these figures portend but no-one does their cause and any good by denying verifiable facts.
And the snowfalls are due to the meandering of the Jet Stream. Anyone can watch this happening in real time on several excellent web-sites. Again, I don’t know if the recent phenomena of the meandering Jet Stream bringing Arctic weather south while it’s the warmest on record further north is due to global warming or now but no-one can deny it’s happening. You can actually WATCH it happening with your own eyes.
Just my two cents worth.

Reply to  leslie graham
March 8, 2018 3:46 pm

leslie graham

The Arctic IS the warmest on record for the time of year. Simple measurements from thermometers and satellites confirm this.
Ice extent is also at the lowest level for the time of year and ice volume is at the second lowest volume for the time of year. I don’t have a dog in this fight and I don’t know what these figures portend but no-one does their cause and any good by denying verifiable facts.

Given your claim of disinterest, would you care then when I point out that, for 8 months of the 12 month year, less Arctic sea ice means a cooler planet, means extra heat LOSS from the newly-exposed arctic ocean to lose its heat to the infinite black cold of space? Yes, some heat is gained in the exposed Arctic from mid-April through mid-August when the sea ice is melted out. But not all that much. Much less infact, than what is lost just from the increased LW radiation from the “hot” 2 degree Arctic ocean (compared to a -31 degree ice-covered surface. Add increased convection losses, increased evaporation losses, and reduced conduction losses (when there is no sea ice) …. and over the course of a full year, you’ll find the inverse of “conventional wisdom. Less Arctic sea ice (from the 1980-2010 sea ice daily average) = More heat loss, a cooler ocean, a cooler planet.

Gunga Din
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 3:43 pm

I don’t think you missed something.
You just haven’t swallowed something. 😎

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 3:45 pm

Zero sum game.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 3:58 pm

RACookPE1978: ” More heat loss, a cooler ocean, a cooler planet.”
But you have put the cart before the horse. The fact is the ice is melting. The reason the ice is melting is that we have a WARMER planet. You are correct that more heat is lost in the Arctic, but the heat has to arrive FIRST before the Arctic region attempts to shed it.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 7:32 pm

Remy, melting ice just means that the arctic is warmer, not the whole world. In fact it is quite normal for the remaining water from a dying El Nino to be shuttled into the Arctic. And we just had one of the biggest El Ninos ever measured.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 7:34 pm

RACookPE1978, increased evaporation and increased cooling also makes arctic water heavier (colder and higher in salt concentration) which in turn causes it to sink faster, which draws in more warm water from areas around the arctic.
This brings even more water further north so that it can lose it’s heat to space.
Eventually the oceans cool and ice returns.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 7:40 pm

I think you missed 1 March 1785.
Have a look at Paul Homewood’s post, LINK here
Slightly different temperatures 233 years ago, but the same weather pattern.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 8:40 pm

You have to keep in mind that the reason that the big lie is being maintained, that the satellite era began in 1980 and there is no data from before that, is because 1980 was a high point for coverage.
There have been plenty of times in the past hundred years when ice was very low and melting fast.
In the 1970s it was increasing fast…that is why 1980 was such a large extent and why the global cooling scare.
Also, if you hear that the extent is low, you can be sure the thickness is growing, and indeed it is. There is far more thick ice than ten years ago.
And extent is very close to other years. It aint a world of difference. It is very cold and very icy up there. The sun has not risen at the pole for nearly six months.
Last summer, every single day was below normal temps in the Arctic.
“Verifiable facts” are not what they seem Leslie.
The snow is due to it being Winter and it being cold.
The jet stream always meanders.
Much the same thing happened in the 1970s (not to mention a whole lot of other years before and since) and it was blamed on global cooling.
Climate scientists are one trick ponies…everything is bad and they need to do more studies and need LOTS and LOTS more funding.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 8:43 pm

Nothing happening is at all unprecedented or unusual.
Those of us who have spent most of our lives paying attention to and studying weather and the atmosphere and earth and human history, know very well that there is not one single thing going on that is weird or unusual, except a whole bunch of people have gotten it stuck in their head that the current now time is different that all the other now times ever were.
It aint.
Same as it ever was.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 8, 2018 8:53 pm

Besides for all that, Leslie, which aspect of a vast and perpetually frozen solid Arctic wasteland do you think is important or beneficial to humans or any other living thing?
If you do think it is important, please explain how and why.
I think about how before the current ice age began, those areas were teeming with life all year around, with complex ecosystems supporting a tremendous variety and abundance of life.
Wiped away, killed, frozen, and scraped clean down to bedrock for millions of years now.
An calamity of unimaginable horrificness.
During our present interglacial interlude, in which some of the wastelands have only seasonally deadly and unsurvivable conditions, some life has moved back in.
It will be destroyed completely and totally when the interglacial ends.
And that will be a very bad scene.
Warming and somewhat less frigidly frozen and instantly deadly?
Ooh, the horror!

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
March 9, 2018 7:21 am

Leslie Graham: Yes, the warmest on record. My question (and no doubt, yours too): How many years are included in that record? People keep using that phrase, yet in many cases ‘the record’ is about 150 to 200 years in length. That period is merely a blink of the eye geologically and climate-wise. It’s not even long enough to properly plot a trend.
If someone was able to use their WAYBAC machine and collect actual temperature readings over the past 2 or 3 thousand years we might have a better picture of where we stand today. Right now it’s just a SWAG, and too much of it is politically driven rather than science driven.

Tom Halla
March 8, 2018 8:56 am

Thirteen feet of global warming?

Reply to  Tom Halla
March 9, 2018 1:52 am

Tom Halla

Thirteen feet of global warming?

The article doesn’t mention temperature Tom. But you might be on to something. According to NOAA, February 2018 was the fourth warmest February on record in Pennsylvania (record starts 1895).comment image
Whether this contributed to the large snowfall or not is up for debate, I guess.

March 8, 2018 8:59 am

It could have been a lot worse. A large cold snap caused lake Erie to Freeze way before its normal time. This limited the amount of lake effect snow that Erie Pa saw. I am from east of Cleveland Ohio so I am grateful that the snow gods decided to send all of that snow east of where I live.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  stephana
March 8, 2018 7:43 pm

The weather gods are lining things up for Lakeshore East for next winter. Enjoy.

Mark from the Midwest
March 8, 2018 8:59 am

I’m the biggest “denier” of them all, but having lived a large chunk of my life within a classic lake effect belt I can tell you that there’s no good relationship between long-term air temperature trends and lake effect totals from year to year. It’s just the right combination of wind direction, and difference in the surface temperature of the lake. This year we had a massive cold air mass in late December after a warmer than usual November, the lakes stayed warm, the cold air hit, the wind direction sets up for long “fetches” across Superior, Michigan, and down to the lower lakes, and the magic happens. FYI, between Christmas and New Years we had 86 inches of Algore Powder in the backyard

March 8, 2018 9:10 am

That’s not fair to cherry pick the prediction that he “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past”. There also were prediction that the climate would get more extreme. Or less. Or whatever. Some of these will not be disproved.
The theory is fine, nothing can disprove it.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Naryn
Reply to  paqyfelyc
March 8, 2018 10:01 am

That is not a ‘cherry pick’ it is the standard pick, the baseline for the BS that is basis for alarmist, climate eschatology.
“No more snow.” What rubbish. No better than California’s drought: “The new normal.” Right. Got it.
Global warming is supposed to bring droughts, meaning less precipitation. There is no global drought, there is no less precipitation. The term ‘vain imaginings’ was coined for just such nonsense. They are like the sheep in Animal Farm:
“We are poor little lambs, we have lost our way, blah, blah blah…”

Reply to  paqyfelyc
March 8, 2018 10:12 am

Can’t ask for a better theory than one that can never be disproved. Wonder why more of science isn’t following suit and having theories that cover absolutely everything that could ever happen and still remain a viable, useful theory. 🙂

Reply to  Sheri
March 8, 2018 11:48 am

A lot of “science” is. Take the “many worlds” interpretation of quantum mechanics. If an empirical observation or experimental result seems to have contradicted the theory’s predictions, that just means it doesn’t work in THIS world, but in an infinite set of parallel realities, the experiment DID support the theory in one of the other ones.

Jan Christoffersen
Reply to  Sheri
March 8, 2018 4:35 pm

I believe that physicist Stephen Hawking may be searching for the “theory of everything”. I suspect it will prove to be elusive. But I had trouble with thermodynamics at university.

Reply to  Sheri
March 8, 2018 9:03 pm

“Wonder why more of science isn’t following suit ”
Because luckily most people have at least a shred of integrity.

Reply to  Sheri
March 8, 2018 9:05 pm

Turns out Hawking aint the brightest bulb on the tree, amply proven again quite conclusively.

Reply to  paqyfelyc
March 8, 2018 10:32 am

I agree with your sarcasm but a theory that allows all possibilities is not a theory; it’s pseudo-religion (for those readers who could potentially be confused by what a real scientific theory is.)

Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 2:57 pm

“I agree with your sarcasm but a theory that allows all possibilities is not a theory; it’s pseudo-religion…”
No, it’s pseudo science . . no Religion I am aware of “allows for all possibilities” . .
Sorry, this is science gone wild . . (in the community/establishment/set of pseudo-absolute truths sense). Turns out the pseudoscience high priests who indoctrinated us to believe that can’t happen (like it can with “religion”) were really just narrow minded bigots, posing as our saviors . . it seems rather obvious to me, now, anyway.

Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 3:22 pm

For example, the Book my religion is based on, does not seem to allow for the possibility of CAWG (catastrophic anthropogenic global warming), literally ;
(right after the flood)
… and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Jon Jewett
Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 4:40 pm

Pseudo religion….. Is that PC for cult?

Mario Lento
Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 5:43 pm

John Knight, I think pseudo religion means: that warmists have a fake godless religion. That is religion in the sense of blind faith to some non-god. In that sense, I think the statement is OK. Your point well taken though!

Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 6:17 pm

There is only a rumor that “blind faith” is requested/required by the God of that Book I spoke of, as far as I can detect, Mario . . (spread by the selfsame pseudoscience “high priests” I spoke of). It says faith is required, but that term does not preclude (in any sense besides the rumored one) that solid evidence is involved in coming to have said faith . . as with faith in anything . . It just means confidence, for whatever reasons, in something that has not itself been directly observed.
Before the sun rises, we have faith that it will . . after, we don’t speak of having faith.

John M. Ware
Reply to  paqyfelyc
March 8, 2018 10:40 am

Sorry, a theory is not “fine” if proof is impossible. A theory is supposed to have elements or dimensions that can be measured, and whatever can be measured is susceptible to testing and proof.
Also–what is meant by the climate getting “more extreme?” Extremes are maxima–again, measurable. The whole concept of weather extremes assumes that norms can be computed or verified. Weathermen who say that temps will be “above normal” or “below normal” next week are confusing a norm with an average. A norm is something known to be what should happen or appear: human body temp is normal at 98.6 F, normal vision is 20/20, and the like. Experiment and observation have shown these norms to exist; further, substantial deviations therefrom are highly undesirable or dangerous (see how long you would live if your body temp were either 108.6 F or 88.6 F; not long). Weather doesn’t have norms; it has averages. The average temperature for my location in central Virginia is 46 degrees F on March 8; today will be cooler than that–with an early-morning low of 25 and likely high of 45 or so, today’s average will be about 35, or 11 degrees below the long-term average. Is that abnormal? No, it’s a cool spell; we get lots of them this time of year. Also, while the long-term average says we get about 3″ of rain in March, or about a tenth of an inch per day, there has been no rain today. Is that abnormal? No, it happens to be a dry day; we get lots of those. “Extreme” can be a very vague–hence, unusable–term.

Reply to  John M. Ware
March 8, 2018 11:59 am

20/20 vision is a bad example as it refers to the quality of vision an average person has at twenty feet. It is comparison to an average determined by a limited participation survey.
Of course, the other side of the political crowd would throw a fit if you said that a blind person was “abnormal”. Perhaps they would be right to do so, as in the known course of human history blindness has always been a thing. One could say that going blind is perfectly normal. So to is dwarfism, polydactylism, and hydrocephaly. Uncommon is not the same as abnormal. In any given range of outcomes, there mathematically MUST be an upper and lower bound or “extreme”. Since all ranges have extremes, than extremes are by definition normal. No competent statistician would claim that rolling a two or a twelve with a pair of dice is abnormal. Increasing the number of possible outcomes between the extremes doesn’t make the extremes themselves any less of a perfectly normal potential outcome.

Reply to  John M. Ware
March 8, 2018 2:00 pm

“Of course, the other side of the political crowd would throw a fit if you said that a blind person was “abnormal”.
Hmmm . .
“No competent statistician would claim that rolling a two or a twelve with a pair of dice is abnormal.”
How ’bout not being able to roll a pair of dice? . . ; )

Jeff in Calgary
Reply to  John M. Ware
March 8, 2018 2:19 pm

Along that line, death is also normal. Most people are dead (about 100 billion). The 7 billion or so of us alive are the abnormal ones.

Reply to  John M. Ware
March 8, 2018 9:10 pm

It is normal for places like California to have very wet years and very dry years.
Average rainfall might be abnormal for such places, if it is typically either a wet year or a dry one.

Reply to  John M. Ware
March 9, 2018 11:34 pm

Yep , drives me crazy when I hear tv weather guys using the word normal or saying that temperatures are above (or below), where they should be for this time of year.

Steve Zell
Reply to  paqyfelyc
March 8, 2018 11:02 am

Unusually heavy snowfalls do tend to disprove global warming theory. In order to form snow, there must be enough COLD air in the atmosphere at cloud height to remove the latent heat of freezing (about 80 calories per gram) from water without warming the air above 32 F (or 0 Celsius).
Global warming theory states that extra CO2 will warm the atmosphere, with a “hot spot” in the upper atmosphere. If that is true, where is the cold air coming from to form snow?
If you told the kids in Erie they would never see snow again, they would probably be delighted, if they believed you. But first their dad would have to lift them high enough to see over the snow.

March 8, 2018 9:20 am

Children just will not know what snow is.

Reply to  astonerii
March 8, 2018 10:08 am

Children will not know what the truth is

Greg Woods
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2018 10:26 am

Children will not know what real science is…

Bad Andrew
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2018 10:52 am

Children will not know what weather or climate are.

Gunga Din
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2018 3:56 pm

Children will not know why their parents bought into this bunk!
(“This time Dad can go find his own dung to burn!”)

Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2018 9:12 pm

Children will be fed a steady stream of nightmarish lies and told the world is dying.
Some will commit suicide as a result.

F. Ross
March 8, 2018 9:23 am

With all that snow the federal government could be in a heap of trouble. (This quote from another website)

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday in favor of 21 children and young adults suing the U.S. government for not doing enough to protect their constitutional right to a stable climate.

Who knew?
Apparently there must be, somewhere in the Constitution, an entry that I have never come across.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  F. Ross
March 8, 2018 10:03 am

Well it is the 9th Circuit, the wackiest Looney Tunes of Kalifornia. With their looney tune logic, they’d also have to believe those children have a constitutional right to no earthquakes or tsunamis.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 8, 2018 10:24 am

Or as I like to put it, the Ninth Circus…

Gunga Din
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 8, 2018 4:01 pm

The Odd Court.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 8, 2018 4:31 pm

The magic box court (3^2*1=9). They say & do things they don’t make real sense until you understand the misdirection they practice.

Reply to  F. Ross
March 8, 2018 10:13 am

As friend used to say, it’s in the constitution right after the right to welfare and a cell phone.

Reply to  F. Ross
March 8, 2018 10:36 am

Makes me wonder what litigation is going to be filed when the next supervolcano erupts. Will insurance companies claim it as an “act of God” or will they attribute it to humanity’s monkeying with the climate? Equally ludicrous claims have already been made.

Brad Grubel
Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 11:40 am

Didn’t Italy already do something like this? I seem to remember some scientist being convicted of some heinous crime for not accurately predicting an eruption. Somebody help me out here with details.

Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 12:07 pm

I think that was failure to predict an earthquake. Obviously, who is now going to make any predictions in case you are out a few days or months etc, and they roast you over a grill like medieval times. I think upon appeal, those scientists either had reduced sentences, or were overturned completely. Might have to Google all that…But I think that sent shock waves throughout the scientific community. Too bad they don’t prosecute climate scientists for getting caught red handed manipulating or fabricating evidence.

Reply to  AZ1971
March 8, 2018 1:55 pm

In that case, the scientists went on TV and proclaimed that no earthquake was imminent.
Had they merely said, “we don’t know”, they would have been safe.

Reply to  AZ1971
March 9, 2018 10:11 am

they only believe in God when it affects their bottom line. Otherwise keep it out of the courts. Right?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  F. Ross
March 8, 2018 7:47 pm

I think the ruling just allowed the case to continue.
No ruling on the merit of the argument.

Craig Moore
March 8, 2018 9:27 am
Reply to  Craig Moore
March 8, 2018 10:23 am

Love it! I hope more and more snow comes!

Craig Moore
Reply to  Sheri
March 8, 2018 11:04 am

I think they are going to have to shovel 3 feet of snow off Whitefish Lake just so it will melt in time for summer water skiing.

March 8, 2018 9:29 am

How long before the alarmist slant touts “The Next Ice Age Looming On The Horizon. Children Will Not know What Summer Is Soon.”

Marcus Lennox
March 8, 2018 9:34 am

More snow…more cold…all just part of AGW. In fact…what else could it mean??

Reply to  Marcus Lennox
March 8, 2018 2:14 pm

It’s the John Holdren Effect.

March 8, 2018 9:48 am

Only 13 feet? Doesn’t Buffalo, NY get hammered like that almost every winter?

Reply to  Sara
March 8, 2018 9:56 am

Or Houghton MI?

Reply to  Mike
March 8, 2018 2:01 pm


Don K
Reply to  Sara
March 9, 2018 5:51 am

Lake effect snow is fickle. Yes, it’s not uncommon for a strip of SouthWestern New York — not necessarily the exact same strip in every storm — to get prodigious amounts of snow in a few days in early Winter before the Great Lakes freeze over. BTW, the area most consistently buried by snow in New York state is the Tug Hill Plateau East of Lake Ontario. They get a number of multifoot snowstorms most every year.

Paul Linsay
Reply to  Don K
March 9, 2018 8:54 am

When my boys were young we used to drive to Cleveland to visit my parents. One year we went in April and I decided we should stop at Niagra Falls and take a ride on The Maid of the Mist. Sorry, it’s not operating yet, there are 100 feet of ice in the basin, come back in June when it opens. With all the AGW is it ice free yet?

Reply to  Don K
March 9, 2018 10:39 am

I live in one of those potential strips, near Mayville, New York, which so far has received 213 inches of snow this year, not counting the 4-8 inches expected today. Erie is a piker with only 156 inches. It’s a bit of an exaggeration to say we are “buried”. Our highway departments and army of private plows do just fine cleaning up. It is not uncommon to receive 10-12 inches overnight and school still goes on the next day. You just learn to live with it..

March 8, 2018 10:00 am

Thank you Swedish great grandfather, Charles H. … for packing up your wife and two teenaged girls and LEAVING Erie PA … driving cross country in your Model-T … in 1918 … landing in San Diego. Sadly, I am now planning my ESCAPE from CA … before it falls into the sea of RED INK hidden by Jerry Brown and his minions.

James Francisco
Reply to  kenji
March 8, 2018 10:26 am

Kenji. In 2004 when I left San Diego, I said to myself San Diego is nice but it ain’t that nice. Then the tune fromTom Petty ” you don’t have to live like a refuge ” played in my head. SD probably is America’s finest city and if I win the lottery I’m moving to La Jolla. Living other places is a lot cheaper and not so bad especially if we get some globul warming as promised by so many.

Jon Jewett
Reply to  James Francisco
March 8, 2018 5:31 pm

Be sure to get your Hepatitis A immunization before you go.

March 8, 2018 10:03 am

We are over a foot above normal for our total snowfall, despite many thaws that melted the snows away, here in southern New Hampshire. If one insists on being Alarmed, they should look back at the winters leading into the brutal winters of the late 1970’s. Those also had many thaws on the east coast, areas to the west got the deep snows.
Back then I was a glutton for punishment (also called a snow-lover) and I recall moaning and groaning, “Minnisota gets all the luck.” Then 1976-77, 1977-78, and 1978-79 gave me all the punishment I could ever wish for.
I recall 1975-76 as being cold but dry at the start. Sea-ice started to form in Maine harbors. Then it got mild, with less snow than this year. I recall an old timer down on the docks saying, “Winters just aren’t as bad as they used to be.” A year later he was eating his words.
Some things never change.

Reply to  Caleb
March 8, 2018 10:55 am

England also have a run of cold winters during the late 70’s, with the 78/79 winter been the worst. During that winter on Feb 14th/15th N Lincolnshire saw the largest fell of snow l have seen in my lifetime. Where we had about 16 to 18 inches of snow fall in around 20 hours. Which was made alot worse by the strong winds that arose during to morning of the 15th.

Reply to  taxed
March 8, 2018 11:14 am

Those 1970’s winters could likely teach a keen observer a lot. Over here our written records only go back to the early 1600’s, but it is apparent they had LIA extremes. (Over twenty snows in a row without a thaw in Boston, on several occasions.) However those were stand-alone winters. To get three really bad ones in a row, as happened at the end of the 1970’s, isn’t something I’ve been able to find replicated in the old records. So maybe we were lucky to see the extremes we witnessed.

Reply to  taxed
March 8, 2018 12:36 pm

A common pattern at times during Feb of both 77/78 and 78/79 was blocking over northern europe bringing in cold air from Russia. Which during Feb 79 due to a area of low pressure tracking to the south of the UK. Lead to a “beast from the east” that made our recent one look quite tame. Yes three cold winters in a row is not a common event. ln England the last one’s been 08/09 to 10/11 then 76/77 to 78/79 and early 40’s.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Caleb
March 8, 2018 3:35 pm

When reporting weather events, they tend to never go back further than an “-est” can be tagged onto the current event.
PS I lived in Nashua when it had it’s earliest measurable snowfall. October 9, 1979. (Long time ago. I might have the date wrong. Not the month and year.) I checked that a couple of years ago and it was still true.
I tried to check it now and couldn’t confirm it.
(Perhaps current events cluttered my search?)

March 8, 2018 10:07 am

Meanwhile in la la land today….

Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 8, 2018 10:24 am

That theory seems to rest on men are horrible creatures who will let the women suffer.

March 8, 2018 10:09 am

I feel that I have to defend David Viner to some degree as he is being a little unfairly maligned. He actually said that snow in England was a thing of the past. He stated that coverings of snow in England would be a rare and exiting event. At the time that this statement was made it hadn’t snowed in England for around ten years. Here is where I stop defending him though. I am 59 years old and coverings of snow have been a rare and exiting event since the time when I was a kid. We regularly had winters when there was no significant snowfall at all, we often got a covering of snow that melted straight away, often after it stopped snowing and started raining instead, so nothing has really changed that much. Also of course, even when you bend over backwards to be fair to him, he still comes unstuck because England continues to have significant snowfalls from time to time, just the way it always did.

March 8, 2018 10:36 am

End of the year, after data adjusting, 2018 will be declare hottest year evah! And memories of the record snowfall and cold will be thing of the past.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Nash
March 8, 2018 1:37 pm

And in Florida the past few weeks have seen temperatures around 10 F higher than normal with temps this last week (and expected to continue) 10 F lower than normal. In the end it will all average out and in a couple of years the heat and cold waves of Feb/Mar 2018 will be forgotten.

March 8, 2018 11:00 am

“It’s _____________ but that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis”. Post this on your wall.

March 8, 2018 11:34 am

No issue at all , thanks to the ‘heads you lose tails I win ‘ approach to climate ‘science’ unusual high levels of snow also ‘prove ‘ AGW. As does rains of Frogs , invasion by aliens , two headed sheep and a talking cat .

Johannes Herbst
March 8, 2018 12:31 pm

Today I listened on my Volksempfänger to the Statial Bavarian Rundfunk and learned, that diesel exhaust gasses, especially NO2 are causing diabetes.
The problem is: Before they told me that I have to drive a Diesel to save the Polar bears bc/of less CO2.
Now the Polar bears are saved, but my neighbors are all sick and will die soon.
My sin, my overwhelming sin!

March 8, 2018 1:07 pm

David Viner is almost as famous now in Australia as our own Tim Flannery, reknown for “ even the rains that fall won’t fill our dams and river systems”.
In Queensland the heavens have opened this month for terrific rains, and yes, I know it’s only weather.

March 8, 2018 1:24 pm

Enough with the deviations graphs. They are misleading without a mention of what they are deviating from, and the significance of the zero datum.

March 8, 2018 1:51 pm

156 inches…. pfffft! They need to go to the Upper Peninsula (UP) of Michigan for prodigious quantities of snow. The Keeweenaw Peninsula of Michigan’s UP has average snowfalls 30 inches more than this. and also

Reply to  greymouser70
March 8, 2018 1:53 pm

The second link should be:

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March 8, 2018 2:06 pm


Reply to  greymouser70
March 8, 2018 5:15 pm

I experienced a snow level that was close to that at Lake Tahoe during the winter of 1970/71. There were a good number of snow storms starting in November. Then in the middle of December there was 12 feet in 3 days, and that was followed 2 weeks later by 6 feet in one day. Lots of snow, everywhere.

March 8, 2018 2:44 pm

But…,But …it is rotten snow.

Gunga Din
March 8, 2018 3:10 pm

Hmmm…when it was hot in DC when Hansen testified the threat was “Global Warming”.
Then “The Pause” began and the meme switched to the threat of “Climate Change”.
Both caused my Man’s CO2. Or so the “honest and ethical” wannabe-controllers and/or fleecer of Man would have you believe.
These people aren’t dumb. They hope you are.
Don’t be dumb. Be skeptical.

March 8, 2018 3:32 pm

Glaciers don’t start on the oceans…

Reply to  prjindigo
March 8, 2018 11:30 pm

Yes they do;
Glaciers are made if ice, ice is made of snow/rain, snow/rain is made of water vapor, water vapor comes from the ocean, (a lot of latent heat transfer is involved on the way).

March 8, 2018 3:47 pm

It should not be forgotten that this record was set despite the fact that Lake Erie froze over 2-3 weeks earlier than usual this winter thus mitigating then eliminating lake effect early.

Reply to  RAH
March 8, 2018 8:19 pm

Sorry to mention this…but winter isn’t over yet either. Anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Unless it is a scorcher of a summer around the the northern hemisphere, especially if it is also a cold winter in the soon to be southern hemisphere winter, it will be interesting to watch how they adjust 2018 to be anywhere near the warmest on record. That will be easy to catch and expose if they do. It appears the Pause continues…

Reply to  Earthling2
March 8, 2018 8:28 pm

I know it isn’t over and been telling others it isn’t. Took this truck driver 3 1/2 hours to make 92 miles yesterday morning because of ice and crashes.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Earthling2
March 8, 2018 8:39 pm

Ah come on guys, it’s just inconvenient and rotten cold, snow and ice. It’s all well within AGW theory and predictions.

March 8, 2018 8:26 pm

All together now: “I blame global warming!”
Anyone who still believes this scam is a scoundrel or an imbecile (or both).

March 9, 2018 2:04 am

It doesn’t really say anything about global warming. The article fails to mention temperature at all. In fact, Feb 2018 was the 4th warmest February in Pennsylvania since national records began in 1895, according to NOAA. UAH also had the US lower 48 states very warm in February (6th warmest Feb in US since their TLT data set started in 1979). So this really doesn’t say anything negative about the validity or otherwise of ‘global warming’ or indeed the status of anyone who ‘believes’ in it.

Martin A
March 9, 2018 12:01 am

Excuse my ignorance but what is snow “Departure”? (label on vertical axes of the graphs)

Reply to  Martin A
March 9, 2018 1:58 am

It means ‘departure from average’, based on average 1981-2010 snowfall for that region. It’s an anomaly value, basically.

Brett Keane
March 9, 2018 12:16 am

leslie graham
March 8, 2018 at 3:18 pm: That the wild jetstream flow-induced warm winds first came from the SOUTH could be deduced from the maps as time went on. This event comes from a cooler tropic, thanks to the ‘Quiet Sun effect. Stellar Physicist and Forecaster Piers Corbyn discovered it. The reduced pressure from the Equator allows for a weaker Polar Vortex and more such irregularities.
There are Zero polar thermometers, it is all a guess. And warm inflows rise quickly as they must; releasing that warmth, almost all sub-freezing still, to Outer Space. Rare spots further south received a little bit more warmth for a few hours, but from foehn winds of Greenland which had dumped colossal heaps of global white and fluffy warming way up on the plateau This released latent heat of condensation. Most radiated to space, but some was concentrated down the pressure gradient on the 10,000ft drop to the few eg Nth Greenland stations that recorded it. Minus 30C came back soon, but unreported.
Meanwhile, there is little icefree water in the high arctic, and the Barents anomaly is chilling as i write, as northerly winds finally herald the next stage ine the AMO cool period. Stage one has been going on a few years. Cooler deeper water, flow and height changes, return of Atlantic Cod from further north…..About 32yrs can be expected in this half of the natural cycle, as before to c.1980.. At least this year we are getting less ‘arctic death spiral’ idiots , but they do seem to grasp at such tiny straws. Sad really. Just hope they haven’t disposed of their means to keep warm……

March 9, 2018 2:17 am

Several comments above to the effect that ‘record snowfall in Pennsylvania means global warming theory can’t be right’.
Consider this: the second coldest February temperature recorded for PA state occurred in 2015. Yet, as the above chart shows, snowfall in February 2015 in PA was below average.
Consider also: February 2018 was the 4th warmest February recorded for PA state, yet snowfall was at record high levels for the month.
Therefore snowfall in PA (or lack thereof) is not a reliable indicator of whether global warming theory is right or not.

March 9, 2018 6:57 am

See, Just as scientists predicted, record breaking high snowfall caused by Global Warming….
Of course if there was record low snowfall, Leftists would then say, “See, just as scientists predicted, record breaking low snowfall caused by Global Warming..
CO2 is the elusive God Particle; it’s omnipotent!

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