From the So Fracking Stupid, It Must Be True Files: Giving up Carbon for Lent.

Guest ridicule by David Middleton

 

Some Christians are cutting carbon for Lent

Instead of giving up luxuries, they’re reducing pollution.

By Diana Madson

Tuesday, February 27, 2018

The weeks just before Easter are known as Lent. It’s a time when many Christians fast or give up luxuries. Now, some churches and faith groups are encouraging Christians to reduce activities that contribute to global warming.

Leah Wiste is director of outreach and advocacy at an organization called Michigan Interfaith Power and Light.

Wiste: “Lent is a state of preparing for rebirth … And so we focus on transformation.”

In that spirit, her group helps Christians use this time to develop more environmentally friendly habits.

Wiste: “We propose a Lenten Carbon Fast…

[…]

Yale Climate Connections

The inane article goes on to describe a “carbon fast” as “switching to energy-efficient L.E.D. light bulbs, eating food that is not trucked long distances, turning the temperature down on water heaters, and hanging clothes out to dry instead of using the dryer”… Not much of a “carbon fast”… Which would be fatal to any carbon-based life-form.

However, this quasi-spiritual scam has nothing to do with any religion other than the Gorethodox Church of Junk Scientology…

The organization Wiste spoke on behalf of describes itself as a “faith response to global warming.”

Its mission statement says, in part: “Foster and create an educated faith constituency that’s committed to proactive solutions to decreasing harmful coal plant emissions through energy efficiency [and] renewable technologies.”

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Saint Al, patron saint of Gorebal Warming. Image from Climate Depot.

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147 thoughts on “From the So Fracking Stupid, It Must Be True Files: Giving up Carbon for Lent.

    • First comment (pure fluke), just 4 words and straight away “Your comment is awaiting moderation”.
      I have literally wet myself – thanks mods.

      • Comments go into moderation because of system settings, not because a moderator puts it there (normally). Mods typically just disposition comments that the system has held, for whatever reason.

        rip

    • They have to do more than give up foods that are trucked in if they expect me to take them seriously.
      They will have to eat only -ONLY- beef. And they can ONLY cook it with solar heat.
      I want to see that happen.
      No carbon for Lent means no potatoes or carrots or cabbage with the corned beef. Veggies are carbon-based because they are plants.
      No hams, matured or otherwise including smoked (carbon!), no bacon, no sausages.
      Eggs are okay, but must be cooked with water boiled by solar heat alone.
      And NO communion wagers at church services. They’re made with grain, a carbon-based organism.
      I can make this list a lot longer. The self-righteousness of this proposal is charming.

      • Sara, you should at least add No Motor Vehicle use unless Electric and NO FLYING at all.

      • Yea, there is lies the problem. They do not know what should be included in giving up carbon. And, when you give up something for Lent, you give it up entirely, not just a little bit here and there. Meanwhile I missed it, when did they go from CO2 to carbon?

      • Therein lies one of the problems. CO2 and carbon have become synonymous. CO2 is part of the carbon cycle; however they are two very different things.

        Giving up CO2 emissions for Lent is not a carbon fast.

      • ‘When did they go from CO2 to carbon?’ I think it was some time last month, but not sure of the date.

      • maybe if giving up the carbon part of the CO2 for lent proves too difficult they could do us all a favor and try giving up the O2 instead.

      • Hahaha…communion wagers. That there’s funny!

        I can think of half a dozen different things to bet on during a variety of different communion traditions. Not sure any of them will be beneficial to my soul though…

        :)

        rip

      • A C Osborn March 5, 2018 at 6:48 am
        Sara, you should at least add No Motor Vehicle use unless Electric and NO FLYING at all.

        Why electric is OK?

        If you don’t know how the electricity you consume is produced, then you can’t use Electric cars either.

      • Sorry Sara but Beef has been deemed a Greenhouse Gas contributor due to Methane Expulsion.
        They can only eat Vegetables that they have grown and harvested themselves.
        Pasta is OK so long as they grew, harvested and ground their own Semolina into flour first.

      • They could use carbon free sugar (H2O). Come to think of it, H2O is about the only carbon free consumable. Even the proteins in Beef contain Carbon.

      • For just one moment, think on the aspect of reality that is involved in truly abstaining anything and everything – ALL THINGS — related to carbon and or the carbon molecule.

        Demanding that people give up carbon as if it could be separated from everything else in our lives is nearly impossible. Real abstention from something requires compiling a list of things that involve it and its use, and if done properly (and devoutly) in this instance – give up carbon for Lent – it would literally involve starvation (fasting), possible dehydration, and stripping down to your birthday suit (even synthetics are carbon-based), and wearing hides instead.

        I would truly expect the participants in this nonsensical abstemiousness to follow these rules to the letter if they expect to be believed. It’s that part of me that says “you FIRST!”
        I doubt that any of them could manage one 24-hour period.

        I shall, therefore, go and find a good recipe for Cornish beef pasties, make a half dozen and have half of that for supper with a side dish of radishes and carrots and celery (all carbon-based) with my last bottle of cheap but friendly Tuscan red, and for afters, turtle cheesecake. And a good book. All of this is, of course, carbon-related consumption, including the book.

        And I will lift a glass to the Bodacious Idiot who came up with this idea, because Tootsie, you are so stupid, you don’t even know you’re alive. Let’s see you abstain from food, clothing, heat, and shelter for a month.

        #You First!

      • It’s the misleading title of this article that says “giving up.”

        Sara, I don’t suppose it matters to them at all whether you take them seriously.

      • I’m all for it. If these W.Anchors gave up breathing for Lent, they’d kill two birds with one stone. Churches dabble in politics at their peril.

      • ME: “It’s the misleading title of this article that says ;giving up.’”

        David Middleton
        “Try reading the articles for a change.”

        Sorry, you’re right. I saw that after posting and meant to fix it and forgot. It’s the Harvard article title that is misleading.

      • …Oh, right, it’s the Breitbart article that says “giving up.” What a surprise. But you, David, chose to perpetuate that phrase, rather than say “cutting.”

        Obviously Wiste’s “fast” was used because that’s what people do for Lent: they fast. I’m sure no one expects to use no carbon, though. Their rhetoric is like an abbreviation. Yours is denigrating.

        You want to make others feel pain because you think they are stupid, so you make fun of them in an online article read by thousands of people. Were you a playground bully as a kid, too?

        Then there are all your faithful readers to cheer you on as you punch some disabled kid in the solar plexus. Some things never change.

      • Try to follow along…

        Lent (Latin: Quadragesima: Fortieth) is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, 3 days before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, repentance of sins, almsgiving, and self-denial.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent

        Synonyms for self-denial
        noun abstinence

        What to Give Up for Lent 2018? Consider Twitter’s Top 100 Ideas

        Once again, you can follow in real time what Twitter users say they are giving up for Lent, which this year begins on Wednesday, February 14.

        Last year, food items were three times as popular to abstain from as technology items or personal habits, according to 73,334 tweets analyzed by OpenBible.info’s Stephen Smith during the week of Ash Wednesday 2017. Alcohol ranked No. 1 for the first time since his project began in 2009.

        http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/february/what-to-give-up-for-lent-2018-top-ideas-twitter-100.html

        Definition of fast
        intransitive verb
        1 : to abstain from food
        2 : to eat sparingly or abstain from some foods

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fast

        When people fast for Lent, they abstain from or give up something they enjoy. In the case of these idiots, they are pushing a “carbon fast” for Lent. This is synonymous with “giving up carbon for Lent.”

        In reality, the idiots are neither engaging in a “carbon fast” or “giving up carbon” for Lent. They are moronically virtue signalling. Hence the title of the thread: “From the So Fracking Stupid, It Must Be True Files: Giving up Carbon for Lent.”

      • Let’s cut to the chase.

        The truly penitent soul asking forgiveness for carbon sins shall summon the power company and have their electricity and natural gas/propane/fuel oil service terminated for the Lenten duration.

        Then place an advance cadaver-pick-up order with the local funeral home, specifying “no fire, no fumes, no chemicals” natural interment

        Dust to dust. Problem solved.

    • I am barbecuing every day. We need more CO2 not less. Plant Food, say it three time reverently.

      • Looks like I’ve already goven up on my ability to only post once.

        Oh come carbon-lenters, you are all carbon. That means you must give up on lfe. I don’t think that’s a very Christian message.

    • Actually gravity is the true cause of the greenhouse effect along with the heat capacity of the atmosphere. It is the convective greenhouse effect that keeps the surface of the Earth on average 33 degrees C warmer than it woudl otherwise be. There is no additional warming caused by radiant greenhouse effect. A radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed anywhere in the solar system including the Earth.

    • I hope the wood from the cross jesus was nailed to came from a managed plantation otherwise his foot print would’ve been huge :)

  1. Christianity could change the world by going Green… I hear the Pope is implementing a Green-conversion of the Catholic Church beginning with changing over to vestments made from hemp, and switching out all of its gold for more environmentally friendly iron pyrite.

    Other religions may soon follow suit… Imagine the tourist hordes pushing in to see the Krylon adorned giant buddha….

  2. Did these carbon-free Christians receive ashes on Ash Wednesday? That must have been a triggering moment!

      • Sorry its only us original Christians (Catholics) who take the Ashes on Ash Wednesday.
        I realise my current Pope acts off the wall most of the time, but even he is not this loopy.
        These lot are probably disciples of old mother Gaia or some other satanic cult.

      • waterside4 – you are not correct. Denominations other than Roman Catholicism also impose ashes on Ash Wednesday (Anglicans for example).

    • No Ash Wednesday for us…we were on holiday! Yippee!
      Anglicans do have the ashes but I’ve refrained for years…I find it too ‘Look how holy and grovelling!’ Yuk! I am a Christian but a very cynical one.

    • Exactly! If only these morons would all give up up carbohydrates for lent, we would have a lot fewer stupid people to deal with.

      • Exhaling is OK it just must be sequestered. Breathe out into Balloons during Lent and bury them DEEP underground

    • Yes, giving up exhalation would be a noble gesture for the Green Christian. I won’t hold my breath, though.

    • You can walk around all day with a re-breather; then recycle/treat your waste air at home, at the end of the day. Maybe you can just dump it into your great big greenhouse.

      Guilt problem solved (and if the tank manufacturers are located in a “well represented” state you could start lobbying for a tax credit … then you would only have to give up the tax credit, for a few days, for lent).

      • Better to swim around all day with a rebreather, it’s what they were designed for,

      • I’m giving up farting for lent; does that earn a Hail Mary ?

        Robert, I’m not sure as you’ll have to check with the Pope, but your comment sure made my day.
        P.S.: If I die before you, I’ll tell God to save you a spot (provided I go up instead of down of course).

  3. Fine, no problem. But put out those candles and quit burning incense. Now turn off the heat, do not add antifreeze to the Baptismal Font – babies might not react well to it, and keep the homilies and sermons short to avoid any chance of hypothermia for your parishioners. Your communion bread should be baked in solar ovens from locally grown, organic wheat that was harvested and threshed by hand or animal power. Wine is problematic and products distilled from fermented products are absolutely forbidden. After all fermentation produces CO2 and distillation requires heat. No vestments, clothing, linens or drapes that are not made from natural plant or animal fibers harvested, processed and woven by hand. Bingo can only be played during daylight with no electronic amplification of the caller’s voice. Phase out all paper products use only animal based products, velum and parchment are acceptable. The paper ban also includes paper for ‘hygienic’ use. Substitute sponges on a stick or mullein leaves when available. Conduct all visitation and transportation on foot or by beast of burden. Hire a grave digger equipped with a wooden spade and make sure all grave markers are made from hand quarried and carved stone.

    • Yes, but you can contemplate those things with a nice big plate of crispy fries, while the They are staring at you through the window.

      Remember, YOU aren’t giving up carbon for Lent. The THEY are doing so.

  4. Well we have to laugh at somebody. A religion in which carbon is evil, and works based on it are sin. My mind’s wandering now… Original sin – man’s refusal to eat his fusion spinach in the garden, so he remained a weakly carbon unit instead being transformed into iron man who is strong to the finish. Savior – Popeye, the sailor man!

  5. The Gore Icon is priceless. I have raised a cup of hot tea made with natural gas to it.

    May the solar light NOT shine upon The Gorebull, May the road rise to meet him and smack him up-side the head. If only there were a way to shut off his begging messages.

  6. The cynic in me can’t help noticing these “sacrifices” are a lot easier than what some denominations used to expect from their adherents. And also more serviceable for purposes of criticizing non-participants. The context being religious, the word “pharisaical” comes to mind.

  7. Rebranding is always a delicate operation that takes lots of outside consultants and hand holding don’t ya know. See the history of Egyptian dynasties if you have questions.

  8. It seems to me the best way for them to eliminate carbon is to stop inhaling and exhaling the stuff. While I’m not so sure that action will eliminate CO2 from the atmosphere, it sure would cut the noise pollution by a significant amount.

  9. Since I vehemently believe that a warmer world is better and that humans are better off being warm, I shall continue to use as much carbon as I can to bring that end about. In that regard, this weekend I certainly did my part joining over 19,000 other screaming fans at the Lightning/Flyers game on Saturday afternoon in Tampa. I drove my V6 Buick the 80 miles (133km) to the arena traveling most of the way at 75 mph (129kph). I participated in the ritual off consuming hotdogs and beer then standing in line several times to eliminate the beer (beer is a rental beverage). After the game we ate at a local restaurant and then proceeded to return another 80 miles to home. My personal carbon foot print for Saturday was excellent and I feet I had done my part to keep us all warm and cozy. No thanks needed, I do what I have to do.

  10. Meanwhile, the Amish Mennonite community are saying, “Go all year round like us, why wait for Lent?”

  11. This puts an end to any doubt that warmist alarmism as practised by the useful troops is nothing more than irrational religious fervour. Personally I have always had a sort of liking for some strange religious sects, like serpent handlers (though only at a safe distance) on the grounds that at least they practise what they preach. But until this bunch of carbon paranoids actually start doing the whole nine yards and living in their own personal Stone Age I remain unconvinced about their sincerity and mental welfare.

  12. If Jesus were alive today, they wouldn’t need to crucify him; he’d die laughing at these climate clowns proposing a “carbon fast”.

  13. So after Easter, they can go back to their evil carbon ways? I thought fighting carbon was a lifelong quest, not something to do on weekends or give up for some limited period.
    What we’re seeing is the collision of two religions.

  14. Of course, what this is really about is rich, or well-off folks who can afford bon-bons “giving up” their bon-bons for 43 days, virtue-signaling to others what they are “sacrificing”, and assuaging their carbon-infused richy-rich let-them-eat-cake “guilt”, at least for a little while.

  15. I can see this new idiom added to the ecclesiastical calendar: Carbon Penitence Month.

    All month you will agree to avoid consuming, using and/or traveling in anything of any kind that is carbon-related in any way. To enable you to follow the strictures of this tenet, the Monks of Carbon Apostasy are willing to give refuge to any penitent souls wishing to divest themselves of a life of Carbon Use for a minimum trial period of one week. The very reasonable fee for one week’s residence is $1,500, including meals, bedding and use of the agora for group penitential sessions. Confessional sessions are available as requested.
    PIzza be with you, and with your carrot. (I swear that this is what I heard people say in church when I was four.)

    • To ensure equal sacrifice, the Carbon Penitence Month (CPM) could be a different month for each state. For instance, Florida the CPM would be August (no a/c during that month), for New York the CPM would be January (no electric heat that month) and so on and so forth. Let’s see who will participate then.

      • Lent Rule 1: In the event of a church fire, the congregation are forbidden to use any of the several fire extinguishers suspended from the vestry walls as they contain a really evil propellant.
        Lent Rule 2: No one is allowed to die for any reason. We cannot bury you (due to high CO2 emissions during natural decomposition) and we cannot cremate you (because we use gas fired incinerators to reduce each corpse to ash).
        Lent Rule 3: All food and drink which needed yeast or baking powder are forbidden (remember, those tiny bubbles are extremely harmful to our planet). The 3rd line of ‘The Lord’s Prayer’ should be ignored.
        Lent Rule 4: All church goers who eat baked beans for breakfast may sit in their own pew.
        Lent Rule 4: Visit WUWT website for hundreds of other excellent comments and suggestions but remember – you cannot use mains power for your router, PC, iPad, etc. A hamster in a wheel might help.

  16. We are seeing the results of the absurd conflating co2 with pollution. People actually feel guilt over co2 emissions. Hey, “they truth shall set you free.” I feel no guilt for any co2 emissions what so ever, so I am free.

    On another note, participating in green religiosity is sinful behavior because it is a form idolatry within the context of their professed faith. These Christians need to repent.

  17. Here’s how to do this properly:

    * Walk, at a moderate pace, to an open area (preferably a dessert), where there is the least amount of civilization.
    * Strip off all clothing.
    * Eat nothing, drink nothing, and speak to no one.

    To enhance the effect, pierce nipples with sharp bones as staples to hold a hemp rope, one end of which is looped through the bone staples and the other end tied around a long poll. This is your symbolic umbilical cord connecting your naked body to its primal mother Earth. No sitting, no sleeping allowed. You must suffer, as you lean, exhausted by the physical trial, until you fall back under your own weight, ripping the staples from your flesh, symbolizing your surrender and transformation-through-pain to the priesthood of devout servitude to the cause.

  18. I haven’t given up things for Lent for years I prefere to do something positive

    James Bull

  19. I have no problem giving up carbon for lent. Diamonds are a little tough to chew, and graphite sticks to my teeth.

  20. My TV is dead, so I’ve given up TV for Lent, for many, many years.

    [The mods congratulate your wisdom is leaving it broken. .mod]

      • Er, I meant ‘LOVE the mods’. That last glass of 2014 Burlwood pinot noir did go down nicely. Nose-friendly, a deep burgundian color, smooth entry and goes well with a sharp imported UK cheddar aged 9 months.

  21. “The inane article goes on to describe a “carbon fast” as “switching to energy-efficient L.E.D. light bulbs, eating food that is not trucked long distances, turning the temperature down on water heaters, and hanging clothes out to dry instead of using the dryer”

    Well, I have LED and CFL lights, except those two in the well that keep it from freezing—those are 100 watt incandescent I hoarded and the 60 watt that keeps the corn snake warm, I grow much of my food and harvest my own meat, my water heater is staying set right where it is, and I will not give up the clothes dryer. Still, all in all, for a person who thinks the CAGW meme is completely lacking is science, I think I’m doing pretty well.

    • Water heater settings.
      Somebody is going to ask me for a link, sorry. I don’t have one. But…
      Some outbreaks of Legionaries Disease (maybe others?) have been linked to hot water heaters being turned down too low. Turned down to a temperature where the heat encourages growth of pathogens rather than inhibits them.
      Take these nuts recommendations with a grain of salt. (While there is a “C”, there is no Carbon in NaCl.)

  22. What do you expect with a pope endorsing Gaia worhship, hence promoting paganism. His lord would be turning in his grave. Oh, wait ….

  23. A different kind of ‘Bonfire of the Vanities’. Ouch Ouch! Bad Bad! Smoke is Carbon! Bad Bad!

    Ha haa

  24. “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:15

    Nothing better describes Al Gores & all of the “prophets ” of AGW. Clearly leading the sheep astray.

    • An extremely appropriate verse for thise occasion, Jeff L., but how do we get the message out to those masses who follow false prophets?

      We must avoid arguments, and instead use reason and practicalities, such as references to the materials of which their clothing is made, and the sources of those synthetics that they love so dearly. That would be a good start.

      The balloon must be slowly deflated if it is to have a permanent effect.

  25. “Not much of a “carbon fast”… Which would be fatal to any carbon-based life-form.”

    Lent is 40 days , you could go that long without food without dying but you would be very weak.

    Sadly most religions have totally lost what fasting is all about. Most christians don’t get beyond pigging out of pancakes one day per year.

  26. I’m going to stop killing Unicorns for lent.

    I mean no, I’ve never killed one before. And I wouldn’t know where to find one or how to kill it even if I could. (maybe rewatch Legend. I think you needed to lure it in with a virgin)

    But apparently it’s the thought that counts.

    ~¿~

  27. As a Christian of nearly 60 years, I have never been able to “find” Lent in the Bible. I know clearly, in Jesus own words we must be born again, John 3. More churchianity than Christianity, I think. As for giving up carbon for Lent, they might like to stop breathing (sarc). What a load of bunkum and a blot on true faith. If people read their Bible it would straighten out lots of this rubbish.

    • 8-)
      I was scrolling toward the bottom of the comments to say something similar.
      I think both of us are Christians who, to best our ability, seek to learn, understand and trust the original “data” as recorded, less theological “adjustments”.
      (Jude 1:3 comes to mind.)

    • Dave and Gunga Din, you can be a practitioner of Wicca or worship the ancient gods of
      the Egyptians or Babylonians, ans till be mindful of the basic principles espoused by Christ and conveyed in the Ten Commandments.

      It does not require a specific faith to be a good person. And Lent is more an ecclesiastical time determined by the calendar and set by the Church of Rome and the Episcopal Church, and followed by other Protestant groups, than anything else. In pagan faiths, it’s Ostara, the season of birthing animals and humans. It’s the time of renewal and the Earth awakening, something these benighted people have forgotten and that includes the current papal person. (No disrespect meant to Catholics.)

      It would be appropriate to worry less about whether or not it’s in your Bible and concern yourself more with how a seasonal observance in the Christian faith has been corrupted by the greed and self-serving behavior of people like those at Yale Climate Connection. That is something to rightfully object to.

      • Sara, I think you missed our point. (I know you missed mine.)
        “Lent”, “Christians need to save the planet”, etc. have nothing to do with the Good News of Jesus Christ and his death and Resurrection, what could come on the Day of Pentecost because of them.
        Read Act 2.
        Jesus Christ came to any and all that believe on him.
        He came to save Man, not the whales.

        PS I was raised Roman Catholic. Someone spoke that Good News to me and helped me to understand.
        I don’t do “Lent” anymore, not because of this recent “give up carbon” crap but because it’s not in the Bible.
        When I preach the Gospel, it’s not “anti-nongospel”, it’s pro-gospel.
        I don’t need to point out the darkness. The Light will do that for those who dare to open their eyes.

      • I am actually speaking of Bible based Christianity, am a Spirit filled believer and adhere to the now defunct teaching, scripture only. On the issue you raise, how about the Ten Commandments? Especially the first one, “You shall have no other gods but me…”? I do not like olde traditions like this that takes away from the enduring word of God.

      • Sara,
        To be a good person by Man’s standards won’t cut it, even if there weren’t so many of them.
        I think Dave and I are talking about God’s standard. Perfection. The 10 plus those that go beyond “actions” to “desires”. The only way to share in that perfection is to accept His answer to Man’s imperfection. Christ. It’s a free gift from a loving God. Freewill choice. Accept it or not.
        Remain born dead or be born again.
        Dave mentioned John 3.
        Many are born again but don’t realize it or know what it means. (I’m still learning.)
        What does that really mean? He gave a Book and spirit that made us His kids to help us grow up. I’m still growing. But i know I have eternity ahead of me. And it’s all good. God’s grace. I don’t deserve it. But I said “yes” to the offer.

  28. Leah Wiste is director of outreach and advocacy at an organization called Michigan Interfaith Power and Light.

    The organization Wiste spoke on behalf of describes itself as a “faith response to global warming.”

    Its mission statement says, in part: “Foster and create an educated faith constituency that’s committed to proactive solutions to decreasing harmful coal plant emissions through energy efficiency [and] renewable technologies.”

    I’ll bet you a half billion carbon offset credits that Wiste is a typical Socialist/Atheist, and is just using OTHER PEOPLES faith to get them to do what they want.

    The Communists and Socialists of the world have finally started to realized that persecuting the followers of various religions only drives them underground, and fosters resistance movements. Better to pretend to tolerate them and use their tried and true methods to infiltrate and subvert.

    ~¿~

    • An Anglican nun we knew used to advise giving up anxiety for Lent….very sensible we thought.

  29. If one really believes that the use of fossil fuels it bad, then one one should give up all goods and services that involve the use of fossil fuels. Because the food we eat, the clothes we wear, the buildings that we dwell in and most of the surfaces that we walk on involve production methods and transport methods that involve the use of fossil fuels one needs to shed his clothes and live in a wilderness area as a wild animal. We must also remember that infrastructure involved in alternate sources of energy have been bilt with the use of fossil fuels.

    • “If one really believes that the use of fossil fuels it bad, then one one should give up all goods and services that involve the use of fossil fuels.”

      I’m so tired of this argument. It’s like saying, if one thinks overeating is bad, one should give up food.

      It’s not that fossil fuels are inherently bad, it’s that they are associated with CO2 production, and too much of that is a bad thing. We use more FF than we need, and it’s good to cut down our use. We can do so via efficiency, lifestyle change, increasing renewable energy, using cleaner FF, etc. Petroleum can still be used in plastics, asphalt, etc. It’s not an either/or thing.

  30. Sara:
    “The self-righteousness of this proposal is charming.”
    Well put. Con su permiso, I would add that to my list of put downs.

  31. Presumably they are also giving up breathing for Lent as well, as they must not breathe out CO2. A positive effect of that is that it may remove some idiots from the gene pool before they breed.

  32. I clicked on the link in the article and got a message from Avast that threat had been detected.

    David, why do you publicly ridicule others who believe they are doing something good? What do you get out of it? And look at all the others incited to do the same!

    I imagine for the Christians who are doing this, it’s not about how much good they are really doing in terms of preventing climate change, it’s about being conscious of one’s carbon footprint, thinking about one’s responsibility to others, and making a sacrifice. If it feels easy, that’s all the more reason to continue it. If it feels difficult, that’s all the more reason to think about the ways in which we use energy. It could be much deeper than that, I don’t know.

    But these motives and ideas are to David and most of those who post here simply laughable. They think themselves superior because they don’t engage in such silly exercises. They’d rather tell the group how much they despise people who think differently.

    • The two links are to Yale University and Breitbart…

      https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2018/02/some-christians-are-cutting-carbon-for-lent/

      Yale Climate Connections is an initiative of the Yale Center for Environmental Communication (YCEC), directed by Dr. Anthony Leiserowitz of the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies, Yale University.

      https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/about-us/

      Some Christians Giving Up Carbon for Lent to Combat Global Warming

      I ridicule stupid people because stupidity should be painful.

    • Kristi, lots of people “do things for God” without first finding out what it is He wants done.
      Sometimes what they do strikes me so, but I don’t think that’s laughable. I think it’s sad.
      And just who is this group that is manipulating and deceiving people into thinking THEY know what God wants?
      I imagine there is probably, say, a certain food that you hate. Maybe you are even allergic to it. You’re invited to dinner by someone. Am I doing anybody a favor if I tell them that that is you favorite food?
      He gave us His “Cook Book” that tells us, not only what He desires but what is best for us.

      PS If God was so concerned about our “carbon footprint”, then why is so much natural life carbon based?

      • My perception is that it’s not about someone doing a specific deed for God, it’s the idea of making a sacrifice. That has many connotations, from community ritual to a very personal process of showing one’s dedication. Through them God is glorified and loved. That’s my take – I’m not Catholic myself.

        P.S. My guess is He didn’t make that connection.

  33. Turning down the temperature of the water heater is just ingenious. First, it reduces the energy consumtion by a significant amount. Second, it would contribute to keep the population growth down, or even turn it negative. The thing is that the customary 55 degrees centigrade, say, (far too hot to pour it in you right from the shower) is pretty close to the critical temperature below which water turns into a cosy breeding tank for legionella bacteria. They just love it if the water temperature goes below around 50 degrees. Legionella causes pneumonia and spreads in water aerosols, e. g. in your morning shower. This kind of pneumonia is frequently lethal, so that the older part of the population would start diminishing very effectively – gruesome to say. So, the greenies have to choose between killing the old and weak in a very sophisticated and ethical way (=reducing energy consumtion) or keeping us alive by providing clean hot water as before.

  34. I think the group should be commended for taking action consistent with their beliefs. I find annoying celebrities who lecture about the climate crisis as they travel around in private jets. My question is why they are cutting back their carbon footprint just for lent. Isn’t that something they should be doing all year long?

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