Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to Al Jazeera author Jason Hickel, the West is dragging its feet on climate action because national borders shield us from the consequences of our selfish climate sins.
To stop climate change, we need to open borders
By tearing down the walls that separate the causes and consequences of climate change we can force constructive action.
Jason Hickel
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This is a puzzle. Why are we so willing to gamble thus with the fate of human civilization, with 95 percent certainty of catastrophe? Is it that we’re in denial? Are we just repressing a reality that’s too traumatic to confront? Yes, probably. But it’s also something much simpler: a geography problem.
The great irony of global warming is that its causes and consequences are inversely distributed. The rich nations of the global North are responsible for 70 percent of historical CO2 emissions, but they bear only about 18 percent of the total costs. It’s the South that takes the hit: according to the Climate Vulnerability Monitor, the global South loses nearly $600bn each year due to drought, floods, landslides, storms and wildfires. As climate change worsens, their losses will reach a staggering $1 trillion per year by 2030.
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The solution is simple, at least conceptually: open the borders. By tearing down the walls that separate the causes and consequences of climate change we can force a more honest reckoning with reality. Once the victims of climate change have the right to seek refuge in Europe and North America, it will obliterate the moral hazard of global warming. As rich nations finally start to feel the heat, so to speak, you can bet they’ll act fast, doing everything in their power to ensure that people’s home regions remain livable. Even if it means pushing for a new, more ecological, economic model.
This might seem unrealistic at a time of rising anti-immigrant sentiment. But either we do it now, finding orderly ways to integrate climate refugees and allowing ourselves to be spurred to action by the suffering we’re forced to confront, or down the road, we’re going to face a refugee crisis more severe, violent and destabilising than anything we can imagine. We have a choice.
Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/stop-climate-change-open-borders-180223144922968.html
I guess we should thank Jason for helping us understand the thinking behind green demands for open borders. Jason and his fellow climate warriors demand open borders because they want to punish us.
I’ll move to Wakanda.
LOL. Yes, that is the solution — just decorate the borders with a couple of sign posts “U-turn to Wakanda 20 meters ahead.”
Wauconda is much nicer than Wakanda. Good cheeseburgers, too.
Shameless and transparent attempt to weaken the non-Islamic world. And yet Al Jazeera and the rest of the middle east happily continue to sell the evil west the oil, which of course is what funds Al Jazeera in the first place.
Hickel is a bit disingenuous there. While the NH may be responsible for 70% of emissions (I have no idea), the developing world is actually responsible for more than 1/2 of cumulative emissions; and rapidly pulling ahead.
By demarcating it as North/south. and calling it RICH, he is lumping China and India with the so called rich.
So, China and India are not developing countries?
China is according to the UN and the only reason China signed on to the Paris agreement…. free money (that they’ve been stiffed on according to them). Being the world’s #2 economy (and probably #1 in the future) doesn’t make China developed?
Good Luck “punishing” China by flooding their borders with “climate refugees”. And FYI …
Hint: China will not provide lots of FREE STUFF to said refugees as say … Sweden, and England do.
China is producing more CO2 per person then the EU now…
Blowed if I know what this has to do with climate. Here in the UK the pictures of refugees/migrants I see on TV show a majority of healthy young men. I see this as a controlled invasion.
“Richard111 February 24, 2018 at 12:01 am”
And they all seem to have mobile phones too.
And lots of explosives in their backpacks. Since we have let in something with us. After Merkel Gold, I would rather say cat’s gold.
He seems to be suggesting that the global north is sufficiently racist that it would do anything
to stop the “threat’ of increasing migrants. Which is probably true which is a fairly sad state of
affairs.
You obviously meant that a combination of Vatermord and rampant xenophilia has not yet *quite* destroyed the tolerance that Western countries still keep in high value. But if you keep telling China leads and that the religion of peace is better than anything, I guess finally you will notice that the Atlas has shrugged and weaklings in Western countries no longer have affordable energy nor police that’d care. After all, a people that wants an anarchy may be unlucky and get what it wanted.
For years and years, the West is now providing development aid and sending engineers, allowing foreign students to go to their universities. Now it has to be over. Some peoples and states simply do not develop, at most in the amount of the population. Take an example of Germany or Vietnam / South Korea. Crushed by the war was rebuilt within a few decades and people are doing relatively well. At a certain geographic level, that’s unthinkable. If these states are hit by a catastrophe, they will do so for decades or even hundreds of
years. No sign of initiative. Therefore, now must be over. And at least in Central / Eastern Europe, the number of people who think so are increasing.
I don’t know about you, but when I think about Illegal Aliens I think of all races as being included, since every race, creed and color of person on Earth tries to enter the U.S. illegally.
So it’s not racist to reject all races, and that’s what we are doing. We are rejecting people of all races who don’t add a benefit to the United States when they come and welcoming people from all races that do. Or, at least, that’s the way it’s going to be when Trump is done. 🙂
No racists here. We reject all illegal aliens of all races equally. Nothing personal.
“He seems to be suggesting “…that if these countries weren’t backward sh1tholes….they would be contributing as much to global warming as the so called developed countries
Once again, the socialist defines racism as whites not doing what minorities tell them to do.
It really is sad how socialists substitute emotion for thought.
Emotion is the propagandist’s best friend. It clouds facts behind a veil of feelings.
Emotions are instinctively what drives the thinking of children and simple folks who have undisciplined minds.
It’s not emotion itself, I don’t believe . . it’s reacting to what appears in one’s mind, as if real. For instance, I can read an exiting story that causes all sorts of emotions to be stimulated, but if I don’t treat the images that come into my mind as if real, the emotions have very little effect on anything in reality-land. It’s the confusion/conflation between the imagined and the observed that triggers the reactions we tend to blame emotion itself for, it seems to me. And that’s why we see so many attempts to convince people that their feelings themselves are some sort of real-world events that they ought to take ever so seriously . . says I ; )
John; that’s the way the law is written too. It’s the offence in the receiver that is at stake, not the giver. The giver becomes embroiled in what he said and how that could be interpreted. But the law takes the side of the offence received/perceived.
Well, Greg, that’s not how our (US) Constitution instructs the “law” to take sides . . we have freedom of speech, not freedom from being offended by what someone else speaks. The rest of the world seems to me to be languishing in an immature state, legally speaking, which allows the propagandist’s Pop spoke of above to exploit all manner of phantom injury . .
There used to be a “reasonable person” standard in the law. That is how would a reasonable person interpret such a statement.
Unfortunately, the new standard seems to be, how would the most sensitive buttercup take such a statement. If it offends anyone, you are guilty and must be punished.
This is a new Trojan Horse Cladding for increased invasion by fit young men styled ‘refugee’ only 20% of whom are Syrian, as well as a plea for yet more money with which to buy arms. This has nothing to do with CO2 or Climate. It is all to do with Hijara and Jihad, Dawa and Taqqiya.
Duh!
Excerpt from the article:
“Why are we so willing to gamble thus with the fate of human civilization, with 95 percent certainty of catastrophe?”
False nonsense by Al Jazeera author Jason Hickel.
The hypothesis of “catastrophic manmade global warming” is already disproved by actual earth-scale data since ~1940, where atmospheric CO2 has increased while temperature has gone down, up and sideways.
The upper-bound estimate of Transient Climate Sensitivity of ~1C/(2xCO2) by Christy and McNider (2017) is highly credible for the satellite period from ~1979 to mid-2017. This maximum climate sensitivity is so low that there is NO credible global warming crisis.
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/2017_christy_mcnider-1.pdf
The hypothesis of “catastrophic man-made climate change” is so vague it is unscientific – it is the hypo that increasing atmospheric CO2 causes everything – warmer, colder, wetter, drier, windier, etc., etc. It falsely alleges that CO2 is the “miracle molecule” that can cause everything that frightens the chronically fearful. In summary, it is utter drivel.
Wow, only 1 out of twenty chance. I’ll take another beer and start memorizing hadiths.
>> Wow, only 1 out of twenty chance. I’ll take another beer and start memorizing hadiths.
No need to memorize them. You will understand why once you start reading them. After all what is the point of memorizing when the text says, several times, that you should be killed?
I wonder what chances Al Gorzeera posts of a Muslim coup of the west.
I would say 100%. The real question is when is coup going to happen, and where?
I’ll hazard a guess and say France will be first, and in less than 40 years.
I’m a simple person, given to understand such matters in even more simple terms.
IF the politicians/greens own a house, do they leave their doors and windows unlocked, each and every time they are not in the house?
For if they lock their windows and doors, was it to prevent unwanted and uninvited people from entering.
Surely, even those that ARE invited, do so with the rules of the house being respected AND followed.
Anyone entering uninvited would soon have the local law enforcement being called upon to eject and or, arrest said people.
How is a country any different?
You are welcome to a country, if invited, and when here, then abide by the rules laid out and followed (in the most part) by those already living there.
Please, have I missed something?
Yes, DBH, you have missed something. You have missed the fact that common sense – which is what you are introducing into the debate – is no longer allowed in liberal policy making. Common sense is, by and large, an approach taken by the right and must therefore not be allowed into left-wing ‘green’ platforms, particularly when it highlights the poverty of thought displayed in articles by Jason Nickel and his ilk.
Reading Hickel’s piece I am almost speechless at the lack of intelligent thought, reasoning, honesty and objectivity. It is totally incoherent from start to finish. We must hope that natural selection will gradually reduce the numbers of illogical fundamentalists in our midst. As I have observed before, there is no cure for stupid.
Limousine Liberals are usually the one’s with the highest fences around their estates.
DBH – apparently, according to the do-gooders, you are quite entitled to lock your own doors but everyone else should allow all and sundry to occupy THEIR houses so that you can show how kind-hearted you are.
Empirical data through Oxygen Isotopes Ratios and from other historical data clearly show we have been much warmer between 3 million and 6 mlllion years alone, thus making the last twenty five years put in perspective. Thus the AGW camp are looking more and more isolated and the very cold weather in the Northern Hemisphere this winter is now challenging the usual claims about the climate.
In fact a lot of the claims of the last 25 years are under scrutiny.
Throw in historical data such as 4,500 ppm of CO2 when Volcanoes kick started Planet Earth 500 million years ago then the “warmers” are calming down.
We now know that Sun Cycle 25 is beginning to have an effect and once the ocean currents move colder water around the planet AGW will be a worrying but huge embarrassment for the climate elite.
I can understand Al Jezzera jumping on the bandwagon but their real issues have to be with the ongoing wars in the Middle East and the fact that around the world as many as 1.5 billion people are under-nurished and have little or no proper education.
Presumably those claiming climate damage will want to renounce that mainly western industrial revolution that has brought us to this point??
A much healthier wealthier and better educated population enjoying a life style that previously only monarchs and the fabulously rich could enjoy.
They would also want to renounce the by products of that lifestyle which has brought forward great music, great art, great literature, the rule of law the English language, democracy, advanced medicine.
What cruel and in human people we are to inflict these advances on others, who would much rather live in poverty and die of some terrible disease at the age of 30
There are two sides to any balance sheet but unfortunately the alarmists only ever look at the negative side
tonyb
This is just Muslim Brotherhood civilization jihad – overthrow western civilization by infiltrating and co-opting it. Al Jazeera is the state-run media of Qatar, which is majority Muslim Brotherhood.
And past employer of Jeremy Corbyn (a.k.a Czech agent COB allegedly) leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition and Privy Councillor (strange times indeed).
“the global South loses nearly $600bn each year due to drought, floods, landslides, storms and wildfires. As climate change worsens, their losses will reach a staggering $1 trillion per year by 2030.”
Of course, needless to say,global warmimg has had nothing to do with these events.
They always act as if there were no flood, droughts, storms, or wildfires before recent times. The fact is, extreme weather events have not gotten worse. So either there has been no climate change, or climate change does not cause more extreme weather events to occur. When you start from a faulty premise, your conclusion will be faulty, as well.
Why if global warming exists did they need to switch sell the failed product wit a new name? why is climate change the one trial where those pre tested to find the case proven allowed to be on the jury let alone the only prosecution, defence, jury and judge? That is what peer review actually means.
Sure. As long as the West gets to bill “the South” for the beneficial value of all its inventions — including life-saving medicines and medical technologies — that it has lavished on the world.
If CAGW leads to a reduction in the number of gold vinyl wrapped Lamborghinis tearing round central London that will be one benefit at least. Fracking is more likely to bring this about, thank God for American ingenuity.
I’m lost here. Major cause for CO2 increase (yeah I know, just humor them) is simply too many people and too much increase in the number of people. We are talking about countries with birth rates much higher than 2, which happen to be always in countries who can’t feed themselves or can barely feed themselves and which have major issues on healthcare, but for some reason we help them. And they refuse birth control so they breed a lot.
Having them migrate to over here will only increase the population pressure as that makes room for more in the area’s where they leave. Migration is the worst of solutions.
If you really want to lower CO2 due to humans then instead those that have already come should be sent back, none should be allowed to enter and of course no more aid to those countries… Is that what people want?
Or they simply will have to learn to control their population, no more aid or migration until they do so.
“Migration is the worst of solutions.” Blame it on whatever suits your cause, but here’s why it will never work:
Apart from possibly ‘storms’, which we all know are nowadays simply what people a generation would called a ‘stiff breeze’ – all those things are direct actual manifestation of soil erosion.
Those people have ‘shat in their own nest’
Of course, Political Correctness and the fear of being accused of Racism prevents anyone from actually telling them straight out.
The West is not blameless.
We gave them the ‘gun and ammo’ and they are now likely to shoot us with it. More so since we also gave them sugar, alcohol and various other recreational and brain-numbing shyte.
Such things switch off coherent thought and destroy memory – placing each individual into a magical thought bubble that says ‘West is rich. Want want. Gimme gimme’
And why not, after we do keep proclaiming how rich and intelligent we are so why shouldn’t they have a slice of the action.
In fact, we are now sooooo rich and intelligent we don’t even need to make babies anymore.
The ‘gun’ we gave them was: Climate Science
Was what I was just reading in the book 1927 by Bill Bryson fiction about the floods then? If it is true then climate change is responsible for improving the climate not making storms and floods worse as those were a whole order of magnitude bigger than our recent catastrophes.
tiem to hae an outside review of climate science as peer review cannot be considered a rational system when all the reviewers have been tested as believing in man mad climate change and have stated the science is beyond question but outsiders have pages long list of questions about the competence of the scientists.
Anyone that doubts that the CAGW movement is nothing more than a neo-Marxist Trojan horse should read this article.
Let’s think about this. An academic for the University of London writes this slobbering article. And, it’s published by who? Al Jazeera. And, what is Al Jazeera? Gosh, it’s the Mainstream Media of the Middle East, founded by a prince, or sheikh, or whatever, of Qatar. Qatar is one of the fabulously rich oil states of the Persian Gulf.
Does one see something here that this slobbering, academic dufus from London doesn’t? We all know most of the immigration is really coming from the Middle East, and the major share due to the Syrian civil war. And, that all started with the revolutions across the Middle East that were named (probably by an international public relations firm) the ‘Arab Spring’. Who got the ball rolling on the Arab Spring? Qatar, of course, of course.
And this idiotic, slobbering, dufus professor of stupidity is helping Qatar along with this mendacity while at the same time firmly believing that he’s a good person and on a plain higher than us non-academics.
I read some place online that in Sicily, the ‘migrant’ problem is so bad, the local police have turned to Cosa Nostra for help dealing with it, because the ‘migrants’ are trashing the island. That was a year or so ago, don’t know if it’s still going on.
If Mr. Hickel can show that he puts his money where his mouth is, I’d pay more attention, but I’m sure that all that finger wagging and pointing is mostly air. The preachy ‘holier than thou’ stuff is hogwash, full of twaddle and unsupported nonsense, and we all know it. Didn’t Algore the Colossal Bore start up Al Jazeera a while back?
The situation in Europe is deteriorating, and Europe’s politicians are oblivious.
They’re not oblivious – they’re complicit.
From the article: “Once the victims of climate change have the right to seek refuge in Europe and North America, it will obliterate the moral hazard of global warming.”
They should seek refuge in Russia and China and Southeast Asia and India and South America. Russia has lots of room and will be a tropical paradise when the Earth overheats.
The Inn is full in the United States and Europe. We’ve done our part. Including stopping the Islamic Terror Army from creating more refugees.
And then, of course, there is the completely different subject of whether humans cause the climate to change, which causes climate change refugees. As usual, there is no evidence for either.
Yes, but the problem is that only the countries in North America and Europe give the migrants welfare benefits. That’s what this all about. It has nothing to do with climate change.
The US and other countries have bent over backwards to help, but nothing is ever enough, and no thanks or appreciation is ever given for immense resources spent and tremendous burdens incurred for trying to help others.
Open Borders and Socialism have one thing in common: They both bring us all to the lowest common denominator as quickly as possible, and ensuring that the former ‘haves’ will no longer be possible to assist the have nots because now everyone is in the crapper together. Bad idea Al Jeezera, and you should know better.
Two things in common. ‘Open Borders’ brings in new voters who vote socialist to get ‘free stuff’.
It really takes a high level of cognitive dissonance or total ignorance to buy into this kind of crap. The places those masses are flocking away from were SHs long before the terms “climate change” or AGW were a part of everyday vernacular.
Pic looks like the Mexican/US border going toward the US. Or the US/Canadian border going toward Canada.
Wow!!!!!!! Progressives can use Climate Change for any thing .
Next thing you know is that fixing C.C. can cure Cancer and truly make the Muslims LOVE us.
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Refugees are escaping a climate of Mr. Bashar Al-Assad’s Syria. Weather today: freezing, tempered by bombs.
The jihadists complained so much about Assad’s “barrel bombs” that Russia gives them a gentler parachute delivery. Weather outlook: Extremely hot with extremely high pressure waves and low oxygen.
https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/967395440428711936
“95 percent certainty of catastrophe”
Every time this lie is told, it gets bigger.
Even the IPCC has abandoned any claims towards catastrophe and are merely pushing the “net harm” meme.
So let’s see if I understand the reasoning here… we are getting punished with “their” overpopulation sin problem because our way of life is creating an environmental sin that requires them to overrun the countries who are creating environmental sin with there overpopulation sin? Sounds nutty must be in the Quran along with the virgins…
Al Jazeera is running in Fake News mode: Issuing propaganda.
Why the heck are people trying to get out of extreme Islamic countries? Climate change. Come on that is pathetic.
Zero chance Al Jazeera would write an honest article concerning controlled by extreme Islam.
The European illegal ‘immigration’ crisis is from extremist Islamic countries.
Living in extreme Islamic is similar to living under the hell on earth, North Korea.
Living in an extremist Islamic country is like living in a world controlled by an insane AI (A Wrinkle in Time AI) that makes you pray five times a day and torments your women. You know rules are rules.
This (reason to try to want to get out of country) is in addition to the normal absolute chaos and corruption that is the principal reason why poor, failing, countries never seem to improve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis
That’s just those coming from the MiddleEast and parts of Africa. The US is getting them from Central and South America. In both cases it has nothing to do with climate change. The bottom line is culture, culture, culture. Barbarism has gained ascendency in those areas and, unfortunately, the immigrants bring their broken cultures with them.
Our southern border brings illegal immigrants from around the world. Tunnels are integral part of trafficking industry used by international terrorists and drug cartels.
Human-smuggling tunnel discovered near Mexican border
https://nypost.com/2017/08/28/human-smuggling-tunnel-discovered-near-mexican-border/
The 30 undocumented immigrants — 23 of whom were Chinese and seven Mexican — were arrested.
Drug smugglers build elaborate border tunnels
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border…tunnels-drug…/98977026/
Mar 10, 2017 – How many tunnels are there? Authorities discovered 224 border tunnels originating in Mexico from 1990 to March 2016, including 185 that entered the United States, according to the latest U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration annual survey.
It is more than drugs and migrants. Its also Islamic extremism and weapons, coming across our borders.
Propaganda by extremist organizations, fed to illegals who are trying to stay in this country, is a becoming a civil war disaster in the making.
I remember reading some assertions from people actually working with refugees saying that anyone who thought they could “pass” as Syrian was claiming to be from Syria, because they believed they were more likely to get to stay. So you had people who were really from Africa, South Asia, and other Middle Eastern countries who were “Syrian”, according to their applications.
I suspect that there were a lot fewer actual Syrians arriving during that period.
Nutter professors. Who would have thought it. This gasbag is “teaching” the coming generations.
“Propaganda all is phony” (Bob Dylan)
When we think of propaganda in the U.S., most of us, immediately think of Russia. And rightly so, but there is another propaganda threat that is spreading around the planet, with all those refugees.
The refugees themselves are a by-product of Islamic extremism. Extremism and terror are used to propagate Islam.
The word Islam by definition means, submit.
Al Jazeera, is mostly staffed by members of the ‘Muslim Brotherhood.’ It is, an Islamic propaganda machine.
The biggest threat to our freedoms here in the U.S. is political Islam. The goal of the faithful followers of Islam even at the refugee level is too, establish a population base,(they don’t believe in birth control) which is used to spread political Islamic ideology.
They establish parallel societies within the countries they go to. They try to establish sharia law as their law within those societies, not the laws of the country they are in. This is historically true and is occurring NOW in Europe and other areas around the planet.
This week the, ‘Conservative Political Action Conference,’ was held. Below is the discussion from the conference on, What is the Biggest Threat to the US?
CPAC 2018 – What is the Biggest Threat to the US?
https://youtu.be/6o-5VkklgMA
My apology to those WUWT persons living along in southern border states. You may view the refugee/migrant threat differently.
It is not climate change that brings the flowing migrants across our southern borders but, drug cartel extremism, terrorrism, corruption in government. Those drug cartel terrorists are linked to Hezbollah, one of the largest (if not thee largest) drug, human, money, goods traffickers on the planet. Migrant flowing across the southern border are primarily from Mexico, Central and South America. But also they come from North Africa and the Middle East. Large terrorist organizations use our porous southern border to smuggle radical Islamics as well as arms and drugs. Drugs are trafficked worldwide for financial support of these terrorist groups.
“It is not climate change that brings the flowing migrants across our southern borders”
Absolutely correct. You don’t see tens of thousands of Costa Rican’s trying to leave the country because of climate change or global warming. In fact they have volcanoes and earthquakes, and it is very hot there too. If anything, the world is visiting Costa Rica at a very significant rate and many actually move there to retire with a residency permit for a small investment in the country. Costa Rica is one CentroAmerican country that actually really has its act together and the facts bear that out. Other Latin American countries should follow this model how a sovereign country can manage its affairs better.
It is is either some type of political Marxism, Authoritarianism or some type or religious extremism that leads to mass emigration out of a country, like the Middle East in the case of war torn conflicts and religious extremism. Or usually because of severe economic impairment such as Venezuela, Cuba or how other countries like in the civil wars in the 1980’s like El Salvador, Nicaragua and Guatemala were traumatized to this very day, and are having a hard time pulling up their own socks to make something of themselves. It is now going in the right direction but happening very slowly. And then a place like Mexico which can’t get its act together to control corruption and crime. Don’t blame global warming and/or climate issues for these obvious other reasons for emigration, including over population issues. And dozen’s of other reasons too many to list. But nothing to do with so called CAGW causing mass migrations.
The demise of Western Civilization in Europe has already been inexorably set in motion, not by Global Warming, but rather by government sanctioned Islamafication.
30 million Muslims currently reside in Europe (excluding Turkey), which will soon exceed 60+million by 2050.
The Islamafication of Europe was narrowly avoided twice in European history by two major victories: first, at the Battle of Tours in 732, and second during the Seige of Vienna in 1539, both of these events saved Western Civilization and led directly to the incredible freedoms, technologies, scientific and medical advancements, literature, music, art, and the astounding lifestyles we currently enjoy and take for granted.
Western Civilization had a nice 2800 year run, and I’m glad I won’t be around to witness its inevitable decline and fall.
In both cases, Climate Change and Islamic Invasion, history has been forgotten.
Jason and Al Jazeera don’t give a rat’s rear end about climate change. They do want to increase their connectivity with the “useful idiots” and “fellow travelers” in the West; making them believe they are of like mind about such things. They want to give the Left another reason to support open borders. All Al Jazeera only desires is to spread radical Islam as is required by all “good” Muslims. The Islamists have clearly stated that they see two ways of defeating the West without fighting, by immigration and by birth rate. Open borders spreads that process. Remember that ISIS and al Qaeda already have a foothold in South America. As we tried to defeat them in SW Asia and the Middle East they have metastasized around the world. The reason they include China and India as developed countries it that the first is brutally tough on radical Islamists while the second is what they consider to be traditional Muslim lands presently ruled by Hindus.
Equatorial regions experience little to no warming. They shift the heat poleward. Seemingly, the SH experiences little warming. It is precisely the Arctic which seems to get it all. Ergo, by theory, the industrial nations are under the greatest threat, if any such threat were to come along. Waiting to see seems prudent.
NGOs are the new Colonial Masters who decide what happens to poor tropical/subtropical countries whose problems would otherwise be easily solved in this modern age. Will these much put upon people’s ever be free? Biting the hands that are extended to them would be a good start.
“”The rich nations of the global North are responsible for 70 percent of historical CO2 emissions, but they bear only about 18 percent of the total costs.””
According to the list from the site below, China is number one emitter. Included in the top ten are Saudi Arabia and Iran. Yet Saudi Arabia, a rich country, doesn’t allow refugees to live in their country. They would rather build mosques in Europe and U.S. and supply them with imams to further Islamafication around the world.
Each Country’s Share of CO2 Emissions
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html#.WpG9gujwaUk
Perfect non-science…. to gull the stupid into supporting the invasion of republican nations by the violent and morally bankrupt cultures of Islam and Socialism. They assert they must forcefully ‘open borders to save the planet from global warming’, while the continued warming of the planet provides demonstrative evidence of accelerated growth of beneficent flora, fauna, and human societies. The planet-wide evidence from the last 12,000 warming years refutes the politically driven diktats of these wannabe dictators.
We will not yield to your blood-soaked vision of the future, Al Jazeera! Same goes for Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, Gutierrez, Harris, and all others promoting ‘open borders’ to achieve destruction of successful republican governments. We Will Not Yield.
Wonderful to see such honesty. We all need to become 3rd World shiteholes, as punishment for getting the odd thing right.
Translation.
Don’t build any walls. Don’t preserve the morals and values that helped Europe and the US and Canada to prosper.
Dilute that population with those who those who don’t share them.
Who needs a Government that that thinks its job is to preserve personal Freedoms?
(Maybe set up sanctuary cities and states where the dilutes can also vote?)
I feel horribly for people who are stuck in countries that are terrible places to live. And I do think that when possible, asylum should be made available to those who are MOST vulnerable, like the Yazidis. I read accounts of what was done (is being done) to the women, and I think the perpetrators should all be bombed into oblivion. Get THEM out of the hellholes and bring them to safety.
But let’s be real. ISIS is not gang raping Yazidi/Christian/minority-religion-following women and selling them into sexual slavery over and over and over again because CO2 went up “x” ppm. Slightly increased temperatures are not the reason Afghani women are being brutalized or killed if their wristbone peaks out of their burka or whatever.
As for the “economic” “refugees”, I feel less sympathy. While life sucks where they live, they are not really in imminent danger. Also, if people can scrounge up hundreds of dollars to pay someone to float them across the Mediterranean (often multiple times), I have a hard time believing survival is not possible.
Regardless of actual issues, if you take AGW as real (stay with me), Hickel’s argument is self-defeating. If “refugees” all come to rich countries, they will start using more resources and generating more CO2. Gaia will die even faster!
I didn’t think that WUWT would become another anti-immigrant-and-everything-else forum. Now I have to think twice.
Al Jazerra is a mouthpiece of the Qatari government…..in Arabic. But the English-language version is (apparently) fairly balanced. Apparently it excoriates the other governments of the area (though the Qatari government is immune to such attacks).
As for refugees, do any Americans hear the news of several hundred innocent people killed by the forces of al-Assad and the Russians? We in Canada do, and I fear for 300,000-400,000 Syrians who are unable to escape and who are denied food and water.
Unlike many people here, I have known Muslims on a personal level.They wanted nothing more than what we take for granted in the West. Yes, some do want to kill us, but we have to remember the killers from our own ranks, like the unbalanced ex-student who took 17 lives recently, the McVeighs, and others who were not Muslim..
This post has nothing to do with being anti-immigrant. I think open borders is lunacy. Open borders means no obstacles if any of the perpetrators of those Syrian atrocities you describe decide to move to your country. I doubt bloodthirsty meth head mass murderers would behave any better if they move to the USA, than they do in their own country.
The author of the Al Jazeera post advocates open borders – because he thinks “By tearing down the walls that separate the causes and consequences of climate change we can force a more honest reckoning with reality”.
Rob, legally, the borders aren’t open. Unfortunately, thanks to the actions of leftists, the borders are for all practical purposes, open.
Rob, what all good leftists know, and what is actually the case, rarely match up.
Ian – t o be concise about the theme of this thread, protecting Islamic supremacism and the Hijrah (ie, conquest of Infidel lands by collective immigration) explains why Al Jazeerah peddles this obvious non-sense.
I really hate to invoke this card, but…I am a woman. I see the attacks and harassment suffered by hundreds of women in Europe and elsewhere at the hands of so-called refugees. Remember those attacks in Europe on New Year’s Eve the year before last? Hundreds of “refugees” raping and sexually assaulting hundreds of women. And the governments tried to cover it up and ignore it as much as possible. Think that was a one-time thing, for the perpetrators or the government? Hardly any of those men were caught or charged. So hundreds of men who think rape and sexual assault are acceptable pastimes are wandering around Europe. And those are the ones we know about from a single night. I have read too many reports of crimes being ignored or kept very quiet because the authorities are afraid of being labeled racist or anti-refugee or anti-immigrant.
There are enough so-called men in Western countries who think they can do whatever they want to do to women, despite being taught that women are equal and have rights. In many (if not most) of the refugees’ countries, women are chattel, not considered worthy of respect. Even if women have rights on paper, in practice, they do not. Society teaches men that women are nothing, and that men can abuse them in any way they wish. The media often ignores or downplays it, but there are plenty of cases where immigrants from these places continue to treat the women of the family like crap, and the communities support and reinforce it. There are good men, and I want to believe that they are the majority. But there are plenty who show that they still buy into the sexist ideas and act accordingly.
The vast majority of “refugees” are men of fighting age, which means many, likely a majority, have families, yet they are COMING BY THEMSELVES. This means they have left their wives and children in a dangerous place WITHOUT PROTECTION. Those cowards value their own lives more than their families and left them to suffer and die. Oh, they’ll send for the family once settled? The whole country is in upheaval, how likely is it that they will be able to locate them quickly, let alone transport them? How much will the family suffer while waiting? These men will not fight for their country to become a decent place, and they abandon their families. It is not kind of me, but I do not want to spend limited resources on people like that, especially since those resources are then not available for the truly helpless.
There are decent men from these places, but they are not vulnerable the way women and children are. Bring the women and children (and men from minority religions) to regional refugee camps first. Those “men” can wait until the defenseless are helped. Take care of the ones most in need of help first. And you do not put people in more danger. Open borders mean no screening, no standards. As you point out, there are already murderous scumbags here. We do not need to throw open our doors to others.
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
― Winston S. Churchill, The River War
The NWO and their last gasp.
Ian L. McQueen [WRITES] February 24, 2018 at 7:24 pm
I didn’t think that WUWT would become another anti-immigrant-and-everything-else forum. Now I have to think twice. _ _ _ Unlike many people here, I have known Muslims on a personal level.They wanted nothing more than what we take for granted in the West….” Not true.
Put differently, let them build itemselves: because wherever Islam grows, freedom dies, my naive Canuck friend!
Did you know that ongoing CHRISTIAN genocide in the MENA (Middle East-North African) region has been the worst in the world? And the worst in Christianity’s long 2,000 years history? Of course not! Even the Obama administration ADMITTED it, but did nothing about it. ( SPEND five minutes with the author of “Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War Against Christians” and get up to speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdMUddGe-U)
MY family gave refuge to a Muslim teenager from Iran. We helped educate, employ, and became successful business partners with him. (His career culminated in a handful of patents earned for 3M company.) Thus, I have had a long abiding interest in MENA, including many months soon to come in Turkey.
Furthermore, Ian underestimates the wisdom of his American cousins. Because of the several wars in MENA since the 1980s, exercised with American leadership, over 1% of the US population has spent prolonged time in service there and among Muslims, whether in the military or as contractors to governments or through private industry.
Therefore, American’s are neither ignorant nor unmotivated to grasp what Islam and Islamic Supremacism means: “Islamic doctrine… teaches that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims, who are further compared to dogs and cattle—[which] imbues Muslims with this sense of supremacism over the rest of mankind. And a good portion of Islamic history—when Muslims were for centuries on the warpath, subjugating large swathes of the Old Word—further enforced it.”
So much for your airy they-just-want-what we-have nonsense.
SEE “Islamic Supremacism: The True Source of Muslim Grievances”
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/257003/islamic-supremacism-true-source-muslim-grievances-raymond-ibrahim
AND: Trump and “Understanding Islamic Supremacism…”
https://pjmedia.com/trending/understanding-islamic-supremacism-must-drive-u-s-national-security-foreign-policy/
THEN TWO BOOKS
“Islamic Fascism” by Hamed Abdel-Samad, The son of an Egyptian Iman.
And perhaps the best place seriously to start,
“The Islam in Islamic Terrorism: The Importance of Beliefs, Ideas, and Ideology,” ny Iban Warraq. Born in India, raised in Pakistan, educated in Great Britain, “Warraq” was running a restaurant in France with his wife when the Salman Rushdie fatwa by an Iranian Mullah cowed Western “liberals” into submisson. (SEE “Yes, it is all about Islam” – https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267078/yes-it-all-about-islam-bruce-bawer – This incisive review by Bruce Bawer – a US intellectual resident in the Netherlands and Scandinavia for decades – who is also a married gay man, closely observing Europe’s rising Dhimmitude for over 20 years.)
Thank you for the post Orson.
Most westerners have no knowledge on this topic. Nor do they realize, what is going on in their own countries with respect to the enactment of ‘sharia law’ supplanting the current laws in their own country.
A quick google search on, “sharia law in America,” or “sharia law in Canada,” would reveal to them just how far this so called “religion of pieces,” has spread in the west and Europe.
2017 Legislation Regarding the Application of Foreign Law by State …
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/2017-legislation-regarding-the-application-of-foreign-law-by-state-courts.aspx
Eleven states currently have laws that prohibit the use of foreign law in their state courts. In 2017, seventeen states have introduced legislation on the subject. … HB 1425, Protects the rights and privileges granted under the United States Constitution. Oregon. SB 479. Prohibits courts from applying Sharia law. South Carolina.
Leftists have no use for other people’s freedoms.
What they desire is control, and they will use whatever means they can to achieve it.
If ‘the Global North’ is to pay for the ‘historical CO2’ we need a calculation of the increased food production due to CO2 from 280 ppm to 400 ppm.
1/5 to 1/4 of world food production is due to this, and we need to cash some money for it.
This is easier to prove & does not hide under ‘extreme weather’ fringe theories.
http://www.co2science.org/data/plant_growth/plantgrowth.php
Also all the greening
https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004
“LAI trends during 1982–2009. We show a persistent and widespread increase of growing season integrated LAI (greening) over 25% to 50% of the global vegetated area, whereas less than 4% of the globe shows decreasing LAI (browning)”
If ‘Global North’ is to pay in case of problems it should get the benefits if there are some? How can we put that right?
On the other hand the pollution of the Oceans seems to come from the Global South… Maybe with cheap energy it could be solved?
I’m sure climate is the primary reason for refugees.
‘Jason and his fellow climate warriors demand open borders because they want to punish us.’
“Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.”
Remember Micawber:
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery.”
So much for the World Bank’s definition on poverty, living on less than $2.00 per day. Expenses $1.90, result happiness. Expenses $2.10 per day, result misery.
Most of the ‘developing’ countries’ misery is due to their governments, and the laws that they apply. Add to that a religion that is inclined to fatalism, and people are not, or are dissuaded from, trying to improve their lot. Much easier to ask for gifts from others (the ‘Baksheesh’ tradition), or to try to move to lands with better governing and religious systems.
And no, while the majority of the Muslim invasion are young, healthy, single men, it would not be any better to admit young, healthy, married women and children. That just pushes the problem around the corner for a few years. Can the children be educated to believe that Islam is evil? Doubtful while their mothers believe that it is the best of religions (the most ‘feminist’ of all religions – Yassmin Abdel-Magied) and should conquer the world, and they must do their part in bringing up their children as “Soldiers of the Crescent”.
My fear, that at some time in the future, there will be so many Muslims in Western countries that the signal will be given for an uprising, and there will be a civil war between Muslims and (unprepared) Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, agnostics and atheists. Of course that would result in a remarkable drop in the world’s populations, but presumably that is not what Erlich, Mann, Flannery et all really want.
If I am not mistaken there has been one “officially” claimed climate refugee, or so he claims. The rest are opportunist playing the victim card. The question which should be on everyone’s lips in the West is WHY is the vast majority of refugees are male aged between 17 and 35 and muslim? Does climate/war/economic distress somehow only affect the male followers of this political ideology more than others and if so exactly how? We are repeatedly shown how the family is everything to the followers of this ideology with all their masculine bravado yet here we are being asked to believe by the “media ” that males are running away from war and leaving their families wives children parents behind to the mercy or whatever may befall them. Are you serious? A much simpler answer would be to look at the last 1400 years of European history and what the followers of that ideolgy have been after for the whole of that time. They have form, they have a track record.. and right now they cannot believe their luck to have found that not only do they not have to fight a war to get into Europe but in fact we have government funded organizations tasked specifically to help them come in! The question then is why in the politically correct distorted world we inhabit can it be that this compelling and obvious driver is not even mentioned by the limp wristed dogooders and those in the shadows who pull their strings hiding under the exceedingly questionable banner of liberalism?