This is a MUST READ op-ed. WUWT readers will recall that just a few days ago, we spearheaded an effort to make a legal fund go “over the top” to help Professor Ridd fight back against the bureaucracy at James Cook University that was censoring him. Today, he penned an op-ed that appeared on Fox News online, and I’m please to say, he pulls no punches.
Science or silence? My battle to question doomsayers about the Great Barrier Reef
Around the world, people have heard about the impending extinction of the Great Barrier Reef: some 133,000 square miles of magnificent coral stretching for 1,400 miles off the northeast coast of Australia.
The reef is supposedly almost dead from the combined effects of a warming climate, nutrient pollution from Australian farms, and smothering sediment from offshore dredging.
Except that, as I have said publicly as a research scientist who has studied the reef for the past 30 years, all this most likely isn’t true.
And just for saying that – and calling into question the kind of published science that has led to the gloomy predictions – I have been served with a gag order by my university. I am now having to sue for my right to have an ordinary scientific opinion.
My emails have been searched. I was not allowed even to speak to my wife about the issue. I have been harangued by lawyers. And now I’m fighting back to assert my right to academic freedom and bring attention to the crisis of scientific truth.
The problems I am facing are part of a “replication crisis” that is sweeping through science and is now a serious topic in major science journals. In major scientific trials that attempt to reproduce the results of scientific observations and measurements, it seems that around 50 percent of recently published science is wrong, because the results can’t be replicated by others.
And if observations and measurements can’t be replicated, it isn’t really science – it is still, at best, hypothesis, or even just opinion. This is not a controversial topic anymore – science, or at least the system of checking the science we are using, is failing us.
The crisis started in biomedical areas, where pharmaceutical companies in the past decade found that up to 80 percent of university and institutional science results that they tested were wrong. It is now recognized that the problem is much more widespread than the biomedical sciences. And that is where I got into big trouble.
I have published numerous scientific papers showing that much of the “science” claiming damage to the reef is either plain wrong or greatly exaggerated. As just one example, coral growth rates that have supposedly collapsed along the reef have, if anything, increased slightly.
Reefs that are supposedly smothered by dredging sediment actually contain great coral. And mass bleaching events along the reef that supposedly serve as evidence of permanent human-caused devastation are almost certainly completely natural and even cyclical.
These allegedly major catastrophic effects that recent science says were almost unknown before the 1980s are mainly the result of a simple fact: large-scale marine science did not get started on the reef until the 1970s.
By a decade later, studies of the reef had exploded, along with the number of marine biologists doing them. What all these scientists lacked, however, was historical perspective. There are almost no records of earlier eras to compare with current conditions. Thus, for many scientists studying reef problems, the results are unprecedented, and almost always seen as catastrophic and even world-threatening.
The only problem is that it isn’t so. The Great Barrier Reef is in fact in excellent condition. It certainly goes through periods of destruction where huge areas of coral are killed from hurricanes, starfish plagues and coral bleaching. However, it largely regrows within a decade to its former glory. Some parts of the southern reef, for example, have seen a tripling of coral in six years after they were devastated by a particularly severe cyclone.
Reefs have similarities to Australian forests, which require periodic bushfires. It looks terrible after the bushfire, but the forests always regrow. The ecosystem has evolved with these cycles of death and regrowth.
The conflicting realities of the Great Barrier Reef point to a deeper problem. In science, consensus is not the same thing as truth. But consensus has come to play a controlling role in many areas of modern science. And if you go against the consensus you can suffer unpleasant consequences.
The main system of science quality control is called peer review. Nowadays, it usually takes the form of a couple of anonymous reviewing scientists having a quick check over the work of a colleague in the field.
Peer review is commonly understood as painstaking re-examination by highly qualified experts in academia that acts as a real check on mistaken work. It isn’t. In the real world, peer review is often cursory and not always even knowledgeable. It might take reviewers only a morning to do.
Scientific results are rarely reanalyzed and experiments are not replicated. The types of checks that would be routine in private industry are just not done.
I have asked the question: Is this good enough quality control to make environmental decisions worth billions of dollars that are now adversely affecting every major industry in northeast Australia?
Our sugar industry has been told to make dramatic reductions in fertilizer application, potentially reducing productivity; our ports have dredging restrictions that threaten their productivity; scientists demand that coal mines be closed; and tourists are scared away because the reef is supposedly almost dead – not worth seeing anymore.
Last August I made this point on Sky News in Australia in promotion of a chapter I wrote in “Climate Change: The Facts 2017,” published by the Australian free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.
“The basic problem is that we can no longer trust the scientific organizations like the Australian Institute of Marine Science, even things like the Australian Research Council Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies … the science is coming out not properly checked, tested or replicated and this is a great shame because we really need to be able to trust our scientific institutions and the fact is I do not think we can any more,” I said.
The response to these comments by my employer, James Cook University, was extraordinary.
Rather than measured argument, I was hit with a charge of academic serious misconduct for not being “collegial.”
University authorities told me in August I was not allowed to mention the case or the charges to anybody – not even my wife.
Then things got worse. With assistance from the Institute of Public Affairs, I have been pushing back against the charges and the gag order – leading the university to search my official emails for examples of where I had mentioned the case to other scientists, old friends, past students and my wife.
I was then hit with 25 new allegations, mostly for just mentioning the case against me. The email search turned up nothing for which I feel ashamed. You can see for yourself.
We filed in court in November. At that point the university backed away from firing me. But university officials issued a “Final Censure” in my employment file and told me to be silent about the allegations, and not to repeat my comments about the unreliability of institutional research.
But they agreed that I could mention it to my wife, which was nice of them.
I would rather be fired than accept these conditions. We are still pursuing the matter in court.
This case may be about a single instance of alleged misconduct, but underlying it is an issue even bigger than our oceans. Ultimately, I am fighting for academic and scientific freedom, and the responsibility of universities to nurture the debate of difficult subjects without threat or intimidation.
We may indeed have a Great Barrier Reef crisis, but the science is so flawed that it is impossible to tell its actual dimensions. What we do know for certain is that we have an academic freedom crisis that threatens the true life of science and threatens to smother our failing university system.
Professor Peter Ridd leads the Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Australia and has authored over 100 scientific papers.
Your thoughts Nick Stokes?
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I get the desire to defend ones freedom of speech rights , the scientific method and the bullying attacks
from James Cook university . Why would anyone send there kids to such a concentration camp ?
We are increasingly seeing “educators ” use their platform to do a polluted brain dump on students who are sitting ducks . Keep it up and online education will blow the doors off these overly expensive brain wash facilities .
” the responsibility of universities to nurture the debate of difficult subjects without threat or intimidation”
True! But going to the local TV station and tell the public that they shouldn’t believe science or trust scientific institutions is not debate.
Dr. Ridd doesn’t seem to understand (or pretends not to) why things are the way they are.
If he has issues with methods or interpretation or peer review or whatever, that’s something to be settled within the scientific community, among the people who understand the issues, not among the general public. He also published (evidently against JCU policy) in a book that is very clearly biased, by an institution that has a clear climate science agenda. Scientists are supposed to eschew bias. That’s their JOB, the object of science is to eliminate it; it’s central to the methodology. Dr. Ridd made his bias clear, and that casts doubt on his research and his ability to objectively evaluate others’.
Why do you think there are so few scientists vocally advocating pro-AGW, or lobbying for policy change? There’s a reason scientists stay out of politics, even though that has it’s drawbacks: the voice of science is filtered and twisted by media, blogs, and propaganda on both sides.
Do you see? Dr. Ridd says he’s fighting for academic freedom, but instead he’s undermining his profession as well as his own credibility as impartial and objective.
Why is it contrarians only seem to start getting into trouble after they’ve become affiliated with conservative think tanks?
The bleaching is happening all over the world, not just on the GBR. Yes, coral often recovers, but some species are much more resilient, so you end up losing diversity. Storms affect areas of reef, not everywhere at once. Yes, there are cycles of bleaching, but not usually ones lasting two years in a row – if they are bleached too long, they often die. His arguments have holes.
How else is his point of view to be heard? And if he tried the ABC he would be stifled anyway. Science is not about being ‘nice’ it is about truth, objectivity, thought and reason.
That’s what debate within the scientific community is for. It’s active. It’s effective. If there really are major problems, people pay attention. But the reality is that studies can’t all be replicated – there’s no funding for it. If people try, and the results turn out differently, that it interesting in itself, but 50% of the time? In what field? Where’s the evidence? That’s the kind of statistic that can be very misleading, thrown out like that.
Taking debates about science to the public is NOT about academic freedom and discourse because the public cannot engage in academic scientific debate. He is telling people not to listen to scientists, and the scientists are not present to defend themselves.
“Science is not about being ‘nice’ it is about truth, objectivity, thought and reason.” I agree completely…but it’s also about the ethics and methodology of the profession, and doing one’s best to preserve objectivity. That means don’t join think tanks or hang out on biased blogs.
Dr Ridds view is that the science needs replication, otherwise its not good enough to commit $A Billions of our money to ‘repairing the reef’.
The reality is that better science is replicated science.
Sure, money is not being spent on that particularly.
That’s one problem.
The win win is for better funded science and the ‘examined life’, of the science and so the reef.
“That’s what debate within the scientific community is for. It’s active. It’s effective.”
Ms Silber, if you will present some examples to support that claim we would be pleased to present to you numerous examples of the opposite. You appear to think in the style of Peter Ellington.
“…That means don’t join think tanks or hang out on biased blogs.”
But it’s apparently OK to host a biased blog, as so many in the post modern science clique do. But I suppose you have noticed that this blog doesn’t ban folks for presenting data and observations which are contrary to its assumed bias.
This site is about freedom of thought and is dangerous to the preconceptions the indoctrinated youth who have recently passed through the bowel of common core education.
Pop Piasa: “But it’s apparently OK to host a biased blog, ABSOLUTELY NOT IF ONE IS A PRACTICING RESEARCHER! as so many in the post modern science clique do POST MODERN SCIENCE CLIQUE??? WEIRD. But I suppose you have noticed that this blog doesn’t ban folks for presenting data and observations which are contrary to its assumed bias.”
That’s good that it doesn’t ban people for that. Nonetheless, it is most certainly and obviously biased and pushing an idea.
Rob – True! Someone else said that, but I have no reason, per se, to believe it. Good point. I know i could get banned any time. I was banned from another site, not because I insulted people or disobeyed policy, but for expressing my views.
(I have read your many comments that I do not agree with, but you have stayed on the good side of the blog rules, which is what is important to Moderators) MOD
In other words toe the line of the concensus and don’t question the authority or work of others?
Of course not. You are purposely misinterpreting me.
Kristi you need a broader information set.
Perhaps start by watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9aWMIexrcs&feature=youtu.be
Prof Jeremy Jackson is one of the World’s longest serving reef experts.
He believes the World’s obsession with climate-change is a major threat to reefs as it diverts attention from pressing issues.
That is not at all the impression I have from this or other sources. Certainly, focusing attention on what can be done to save reefs is great, and that should be done, too, but although they may be resilient now under some conditions, that doesn’t mean they will be as the oceans keep warming. It’s not just about what’s happening now, which is bad enough, it’s about what’s going to happen.
Jeremy is paraphrased in this speech to the President https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/speeches/time-to-wake-up-coral-reefs-and-ocean-acidification:
‘Imagine you go camping in July somewhere in Europe or North America, and you wake up the next morning, and you look around you, and you see that 80 percent of the trees, as far as you can see, have dropped their leaves and are standing there naked. And you come home, and you discover that 80 percent of all the trees in North America and in Europe have dropped their leaves….And then you read in the paper a few weeks later, “Oh, by the way, a quarter of those trees died.”’
I have no idea how much we will be able to do to stop it. Everyone knows it’s an uphill battle to slow the CO2 emissions. But when we have contributed more CO2 to the atmosphere than any other country, and we are still second in the world in emissions, have we no responsibility for the problems? Are we going to sit back and do nothing while the rest of the world is dealing with (partly) our mess? While Miami Beach is spending hundreds of millions on infrastructure to deal with king tides? While industries like the Pacific Oyster growers in the NW are jeopardized by ocean acidification?
“Oh, it will be nice if it’s a few degrees warmer. Plants will grow more quickly. Better for everyone!” Denial and ignorance! Effects on the oceans will probably be more problematic than those on land..but who knows? There haven’t been conditions like these for at least 800,000 years.
“There haven’t been conditions like these for at least 800,000 years.”
What??!! Now you are showing your ignorance of climate, past and present. We were much warmer in the Medieval Warm Period, warm enough that Vikings were able to live and thrive in Greenland. It was a bit warmer still during the Roman Warm Period. Both occurred less than 2K years ago.
Then we had that delightful cold time called the Little Ice Age which brought famine, disease, and many deaths just from the cold.
Cold kills, warmth encourages life of all kinds, encourages diversity, and creativity.
How’s your biology? Are you aware that the closer you get to the equator the greater the diversity of flora and fauna? This is a fact. Warm climates have an amazing number of different plants and animals, as you move farther north or south, the amount of biological diversity decreases until you get to the poles where you have either penguins or polar bears….
1. No.
2. Nonsense. Pure political propaganda, lies, exaggerations. You demand we make policy this way?
3. No.
4. No.
Pameladragon, the CO2 has not been this high in over 800,000 years. In fact, it’s about 100 ppm higher than it has ever been during that period.
My biology is very good, and so is my biogeography, particularly my knowledge of the tropics. I don’t have time or inclination to argue with those who are so ready to call me ignorant.
If he has issues with methods or interpretation or peer review or whatever, that’s something to be settled within the scientific community, among the people who understand the issues, not among the general public.
If he as issues about the methods used to prove the existence of god and the interpretation of holy texts or whatever , that’s something to be settled within the religions community, among the people who understand the issues, not among the general public.
By the way above the door of entrance the The Royal Society’s, is a Latin script that is translated as ‘take NOBODIES word for it’
Think about why that is.
“Why do you think there are so few scientists vocally advocating pro-AGW, or lobbying for policy change?”
Because:
1. Despite the “97% meme/lies, not many scientists actually SUPPORT the “pro-AGW” catastrophist point of view. Many suffer in silence to avoid EXACTLY the type of character assassination and vilification seen in this situation.
2. Because they don’t need to; the media and Eco-Fascist politicians parrot that point of view excessively already.
3. Because not being vocal provides them with cover to “change sides” when the house of cards that is “climate science” collapses (i.e., “I always had my doubts but…”).
1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Wrong.
Sorry, you failed the quiz.
You seem to be all about protecting scientists and not the actual principles of science itself. That’s a HUGE difference. This is why the left and its supporters hate scrutiny of any scientific hypothesis. Einstein never made his science about him or money it was all about the science then he pleaded with the scientific community to scrutinise his hypothesis. There was none of this hatred or censoring of professors for an opposing view. What the left (I find yourself in this column) is doing is monopolising science for two things, to take ownership or custody of it for political purposes and for the funding. The blatant attempts to shut people up have no place in the scientific world and those who propagate such tactics need to have a very long, hard look in the mirror, because one day someone stronger than they, with a greater political purpose will dethrone them and place their scientific religion over all others and then science is dead. If you or anyone doesn’t like the science, come up with better data, and this is what Peter Ridd has done. He uses science to debate his critics where his critics use bullying and threats of law suits to shut him up. Professor Ridd has nothing to fear from the scrutiny of science, so why does JCU fear his? If you want to defend a side try defending science not political ideology, these more truth in science.
@Kristi Silber
Coral ALWAYS recovers. 100,000 years of data had proven this. Even Bikini Atol where numerous nuclear bombs were detonated has a thriving coral reef. Your scaremongering only proves your own bias. So unless you have done any scientific research in this area at all, may I suggest you stop degrading an emeritus Professor who actually has done his research. Your obvious political purposes do not add to the debate, you just advocate for shutting it down. If you wish to see a truly biased Professor, try Prof Hughes. A man who actively campaigns to stop the Adani coal mine which is hundreds of kilometres away from the coast and on the other side of the great diving range. Hardly an objective agent of science. Time to stop throwing stones.
You don’t understand me or my point. You makes many assumptions about me that aren’t true. You also make scientific assumptions about the future based on the past, which is not always appropriate – but I’m not about to argue with you when you are unwilling to take what I say at face value and instead make false, insulting assertions.
“You seem to be all about protecting scientists and not the actual principles of science itself. ” You start with nonsense, and it just goes downhill from there.
“You also make scientific assumptions about the future based on the past, which is not always appropriate – ….”
Really? That’s a hoot, we geologists types have always gotten along just fine assuming that what went before is likely to come by again, given enough time. We don’t go around making silly predictions 100s of years into the future either. Or make unfounded claims that winter is going away and taking the snow with it, or that our much greener planet is going to turn into Dune. It will sooner become flat and be supported on the backs of four elephants standing atop the Great Turtle, Atun, as he slowly swims through space!
Congratulations to Peter Ridd for sticking up for truth in research and freedom of speech.
Please add Jorden Peterson to this list. He too is being pilloried because he will not succumb to using the 29 silly pronouns demanded by the Canadian government and their universities.
On the forever doom filled predictions – none of the researched ever seem to look at history. Maybe they just aren’t old enough!
Peter,
make it so hot for them that hellfire will feel like sitting inside a fridge.
@ur momisugly JCU: next stop Tartaros.
My next door neighbor is a tenured professor at a local university. She spends about half of the year travelling the world and giving lectures on her work. She is evidently well regarded in her field, and her work is cited as the basis for policies worldwide. She is, coincidentally, a hard core leftie.
Over coffee one day, I asked her what she would do if someone asked her for a copy of her data in order to verify her results. Her reply was: “I would refuse, and would tell him to get his own data”.
She was totally oblivious to the implications of her attitude. When I explained these to her, she stormed off in a huff, and has been very cold and distant to me ever since.
So here is a tenured professor, who is very well regarded world wide; whose work is the foundation of policy
decisions all over the world, and her work has never been verified. And she sees no problem with that.
I imagine that in some fields it would be an affront to question someone’s data or analysis, it would show a lack of respect and confidence in her professionalism. In some cases there are also privacy issues. But I don’t know anything about her or her field. Do you know the norms for her field?
“an affront to question someone’s data or analysis, it would show a lack of respect and confidence in her professionalism”
Too bad Mike Mann didn’t say it like that. It sounds more 2015 this way.
…’it would show a lack of respect and confidence in her professionalism’… And the problem is…?
Respect can not be demanded, it has to be earned. In science this should only be obtainable by applying a true scientific method, which (as I always have thought) is based on reproduction of results and testable data. (Reminding me of Pons/Fleischmanns ‘Cold fusion’ hoax from a few decades ago).
Kristi you obviously do not work in an area where there is a come back if your data is wrong. In areas that are safety related it is normal practice to have people go over your work and criticize it as people may be harmed if you are wrong. Yet apparently it is fine from your point of view that government policies that result in millions world wide being put into energy poverty with many thousands of them dying, can be based on unchecked unverified hypotheses and science that cannot be replicated? Presumably, that is purely to protect the ‘feelings’ of the researchers?
KS,
Are you being deliberately and willfully obtuse? Ask yourself why the motto of the Royal Society is
@ur momisugly Ian W and NorwegianSceptic, well said.
Kristi:
I don’t understand what you mean by “the norms of her field”.
But I do know that her work has very significant health and safety implications; furthermore, it is used as the justification for policy decisions that I personally see as government revenue raising under the guise of “public safety”.
Prior to my retirement I was a consulting engineer; in the 1970’s I managed several studies which are parallel to her area of expertise. The results we got in our studies differ significantly from the results she reports.
I have noted that her work is cited in policy decisions that are purely ideological by governments, in variance to objective scientific fact.
Hence the discussion we had over coffee a couple of years ago.
Ian: “Yet apparently it is fine from your point of view that government policies that result in millions world wide being put into energy poverty with many thousands of them dying, can be based on unchecked unverified hypotheses and science that cannot be replicated? Presumably, that is purely to protect the ‘feelings’ of the researchers?”
Yep, you pegged me. How you got all that out of what I’ve written, I don’t know, but sure, I want the whole third world to starve because I don’t want to offend any scientists. Makes sense to me!
LISTEN UP, YA’LL – I’m not going to defend myself against empty, baseless and often false accusations about my politics, desires and ideas. You know almost nothing about me, and apparently most of you don’t want to understand what I say. You are free to insult me – I’ve seen plenty worse – but you’ll lose my interest and attention pretty quickly.
If Dr. Ridd truly thought JCU’s reaction to his TV interview was “extraordinary,” he’s a plain fool . He MUST have known what he did would get a very strong reaction. I wonder if it’s a publicity stunt for the book – that’s what the interview was for, we now learn.
I was on the phone for 3 hours a few weeks ago to a major university professor and world expert in infrared mineralogy. He went over a draft paper I had written where I detailed exactly how 8 major world scientists screwed up and got the data on an elusive mineral all wrong. In fact, laughably wrong. He was unconcerned, but wanted some X-ray data as the best source on the matter. Many instruments saying the same thing kind of logic. He found the challenge to the established science fascinating. Rebutting people in science goes on all the time, and is not unusual or cowardly or seeking attention. It is just science. The emotional garbage impugned to it does not exist in the actual science process. Others are right or others are wrong, and if wrong, you just explain why and show your data.
Yes, it seems Kristi has science, where the process is supposed to be based on actual evidence and without regard to the “position” of those advancing a poorly supported point of view, with ideology, where one needs to keep dissent under wraps for fear of loss of “belief” by the minions.
Donald – Oh, I know! Science is all about debate and critique, it’s essential to it and good scientists are open to considering other views. And I also know that scientists are human and can get stubborn, but generally if enough data is presented MOST will change their minds.
EVERYONE – MY WHOLE POINT IN A NUTSHELL; Scientists have an obligation to the profession to uphold its reputation as credible, at least as a whole. Science becomes utterly useless if the public doesn’t believe it (which is a major reason I’m so concerned about the global warming debate). This is why I don’t like alarmists. I despise Al Gore. People in the media and activists exaggerated the predictions and the certainty, and it ended up backfiring. …But anyway, one thing scientists must do to uphold the reputation of science is AVOIDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE APPEARANCE OF BIAS IN THEIR AREA OF RESEARCH. This is why scientists (in my opinion) should not directly advocate concerning policy. They need to stay out of politics if they are doing research that is at all politically sensitive. And this is why I have a problem with scientists and think tanks.
Of course, that doesn’t mean that scientists can’t provide information to the public. I very much appreciate the comments from scientists on this site as long as they watch what message they convey.
By the way, everyone – science doesn’t have to be reproduced to be science, it has to be reproducible. There are ways mistakes get corrected without actually reproducing an experiment exactly. Many experiments overlap in what they study. Effects and interactions must fit the wider picture, like a puzzle piece; if the picture doesn’t make sense, time to go back and check the research and the assumptions. Of course, there is exceptions to this, especially in medical and pharmacological science, or anywhere there’s good reason to do multiple experiments for safety’s sake.
Climate models are reproduced MANY times – not exactly, that would be dumb, but with variations – yet they more or less agree on many things, qualitative if not quantitatively. For some predictions it appears the average of the lot is most reliable. Climate models are tested in a few different ways. No model will ever be without uncertainty. We can’t predict the future with certainty and presumably we never will be able to. We depend every single day on all kinds of models. But decades of propaganda saying uncertainty means untrustworthy have led to people say climate models are useless hogwash. What a shame.
Repeating what I previously posted . . .
Ridd is JCU Head of Department MARINE GEOPHYSICS LABORATORY http://www.marinegeophysics.com.au/
Your suggestion regarding the book is in trolling territory.
Ridd attempted to resolve many issues internally over many years.
A wall of obstruction and/or silence.
You well know publishing research critical of issues that ‘need’ funding is not an option.
In the end Ridd’s only option was to become a whistle-blower and predictably the left (including you) don’t like academic whistle-blowers.
Your platform is as transparent as JCU’s.
Kristi Silber, are you the Grand Inquisitor at James Crook U?
The university is politically fighting for its life for government science funding. That was the basis of its response.
Ridd is up against an institution of higher indoctrination. That is what this whole episode makes clear, and the more publicity this gets the better.
Hope he becomes another Jordan Peterson.
Peter Ridd is the new Galileo. James Cook U is the new Inquisition
“James Cook U: Inquisition in the 21st century” This is a good story for Fox News. Calling on Tucker Carlson and Judge Jeanine!
Torturing climate heretics to recant their blasphemy
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1fsunR6t8kg/TfnqrvhXB1I/AAAAAAAAhOI/FgsBa1AUw68/s1600/SpanishInquisition.jpg
Reminds me when interviewing pioneering Qld. GBR researcher Dr Walter Stark for my Marine Park documentry Drawing the Line with Cameramen
Matt Blyth and Alaneo Gloor.
Quote; “This one thing a Coral Sea Scientist will never admit to when researching a GBR problem.
Is that there was never a problem in the first place!”
Watch Dr Walters interview…
Searching for the Truth in the Coral Sea.
https://youtu.be/MtBYJWAE6XI
Watch my Great Barrier Reef Marine Park documentary Drawing the Line on this link re Corruption of Reef Science.
https://youtu.be/bDMy88RqsDY
(PS If DTL Film starts at 5 minute mark.
Reset Play slider to the start) xo
Bruce Wildcard xo
Not being “collegial” is the new club to beat up anyone who questions the work of others. While screaming at faculty in your department might not be collegial, the idea that trying to replicate the work of others or criticizing it are impolite undermines the whole process of science. It is the mark of lazy people with small minds and an agenda.
I think it is highly “collegial” to tell others where there are weak points or even flaws in their work. If this is done before publication: excellent. If it is done after publication, then it is still OK, because science lives from things like “Thesis – Antithesis – Synthesis”. Correct me if I am wrong. ;=)
No doubt CBC Quirks and Quarks Rob McDonald will jump on this story and bring it to Canadian audiences…
/sarc
Yes, just like Baghdad Bob McDonald’s and the CBC’s extensive coverage of Climategate.
Do we need a law that says that it is illegal to lie and call it science?
That anything called science has the same status as being on oath.
It would be OK to be wrong but not to lie. The bar is very high, it would be necessary to show that the person telling the lie knew it was not true and represented it as science.
I am starting to think especially with respect to climate science and certain scientific institutions the scientis are becoming lazy. They stick with group think, and seem to cherry pick some data, but even their work does not seem as robust as it should. I used to work with a professor at the University of Calgary who would not submit a paper until he had completed thousands of replications because he wanted the statistics to be tight, and he did not want anyone accusing him of not having reproducible results. He worked with mice so it is easier to get those thousands of replications, but I would think that other scientists should be equally concerned about the quality of their work. What I also find very disturbing is this trend towards shutting down any dissenting voice. Science used to promote free thought, new ideas, and debate.
I simply don’t understand why any university would want to silence opposing research or opinions. If the science is robust, there is no need to fear dissent from naysayers. If the science is not robust, why wouldn’t you want to encourage debate with the goal of making the science more robust? Whenever debate is silenced, there is no progress in science. So any learning institution that tries to silence debate is anti-science.
I don’t think that’s the problem at all. I think the problem is that he said two institutions, and science in general, are not trustworthy. That’s a potentially very damaging statement. He has also made it clear that his ideas about climate change are biased through his association with a conservative think tank and his contribution to the book they published. Apparently there are JCU policies concerning what he did, and he broke them.
People here are saying that his ideas about coral bleaching are right, and others’ are wrong. Based on what? He’s not a biologist, he’s a physicist, and I wasn’t able to find any publications of his looking at coral bleaching.
There’s a trend on this site to assume the science (and scientists) supporting skepticism is automatically more trustworthy than that (those) supporting AGW.
Could the professor give an opinion on the science being used to vilify the commercial fishing sector in the GBRMP.
[Great Britain ? Maritime ? .mod]
Sadly his university email is not “private” and the University does have the right to censure him. He can complain all he wants but he will get fired and have no legal recourse.
So you will fire him because he sent private messages in his university email. Do you have any proof for your accusation Grand Inquisitor Bertrand? Show us the university bylaws that state sending private messages using university email is punishable by job termination of professors. The Grand Inquisitor is inventing charges to torture climate heretics
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/27/14/2EDADB6700000578-3336389-Etching_of_the_Spanish_Inquisition_torturing_someone_on_a_rack-a-52_1448634126703.jpg
Spare a thought for the late great Bob Carter. JCU did the same thing to him. JCU is a joke.
[snip – being deceased, the man can’t defend himself against your charges, so I’m not going to entertain them here – Anthony]
Skeptics Society Forum suppresses Peter Ridd essay. Despite Ridd’s permission “Moderator” use “copyright sham” to remove full essay. https://goo.gl/SUuohq
Why would anyone pay to have their kid brain washed by the faceless academic cowards ?
Amazing how these Ecologists, attain expertise in all fields of Climate Science including the GBR. I listened with amazement today as a TV interviewer allowed professor Lesley Hughes, ecologist to spout out all the usual global warming myths, rampant sea level rise, warming to hell in Australian interiors, climate change and the need to stop mining coal, hit all the alarmist points without a peep of protest from the female interviewer who enthusiastically hung on every word. Sadly that is how Australians get their dose of alarmist science, these days. then to top that off the final scientific expertise was to declare that she was a “Climate Councillor”. With all her rabid predictions of doom and wild guesses, surely the Energy industry in Australia, should challenge her wilful economic destructive statements and sue her for evidence to back up HER scary predictions as she tries to wreck their businesses in Australia. Tim Flannery of the same Climate Council has been so discredited for exactly the same wild assertions.
My parents spoke to Peter several years ago about coral bleaching. They informed him that Ian Croll who established Shark World at Nelly Bay in the 60’s had told them that bleaching had been occurring on the reef for years and was a natural occurrence. Well before coal shipping and Global Warming.
My brother got out of marine science due to falsification of results. Check out the fertiliser tests conducted at One Tree Island.
No effect except algal growth from millions of times concentration.
The head of another department at JCU is also being stifled whilst enjoying first class travel and lifestyle so puts up with it. Science requires questioning and repeatable proof before being accepted as fact.
My parents spoke to Peter several years ago about coral bleaching. They informed him that Ian Croll who established Shark World at Nelly Bay in the 60’s had told them that bleaching had been occurring on the reef for years and was a natural occurrence. Well before coal shipping and Global Warming.
My brother got out of marine science due to falsification of results. Check out the fertiliser tests conducted at One Tree Island.
No effect except algal growth from millions of times concentration.
The head of another department at JCU is also being stifled whilst enjoying first class travel and lifestyle so puts up with it. Science requires questioning and repeatable proof before being accepted as fact.
Kristi you clearly haven’t read ‘The need for a formalised system of Quality Control for environmental policy-science’ (Piers Larcombea & Peter Ridd)
https://platogbr.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/larcombe-and-ridd-2018.pdf