The following was provided by Dr. Willie Soon, reproduced with permission from Dr Ian Flanigan. The Coalition referenced in the post is the current Australian Government, a Coalition between the Liberal and National parties.
Core of climate science is in the real-world data
by Dr Ian Flanigan
News Weekly, November 18, 2017
The Government continues to flounder with directionless and inconsistent energy policies, inviting much public commentary, but the science these days scarcely gets a mention.
As we have seen in social policy, the strategy of the left is first to shut down debate and delegitimise any dissent from the position adopted by the left-leaning elements of the media, academia, bureaucracy, the environmental movement and renewable-energy interests.
Lacking the capacity to distinguish science from pseudo-science, the Coalition under Howard effectively acquiesced to the totalitarian-left idea that the science on global warming was settled. It dared not question the assertion that carbon dioxide was causing dangerous global warming for fear that it would be loudly denounced and ridiculed as being in denial about the harmful effects that our emissions of carbon dioxide were supposed to be having on the climate.
In doing so, the Coalition allowed the totalitarian left to define the terms of the debate. But, let us do the impermissible and look at the science behind the question of whether carbon dioxide is causing dangerous global warming.
The scientific method for investigating a new idea is to pose two falsifiable hypotheses: the null hypothesis and the alternative hypothesis. The null hypothesis tests the most obvious explanation; and the alternative hypothesis tests the new theory that the scientist is bringing to bear on the issue.
In the context of global warming, the null hypothesis is that the warming observed since the onset of industrialisation is due to natural causes; the alternative hypothesis is that this warming is due to anthropogenic carbon-dioxide emissions. Both hypotheses must be tested and the objective is to see which of these two hypotheses is incompatible with the data. That is, we are attempting to falsify one or the other or both of the hypotheses (since it is conceivable that there is another human-related cause of the global warming which has not yet been thought of).
A hypothesis can never be proved by this method but it remains viable only as long as it remains consistent with the data. You must not cherry-pick your data; the hypothesis must be consistent with all of the available data. It takes only one instance of the hypothesis being found to be inconsistent with the data for it to be falsified; and this is why the science is never “settled”.
One must begin by assembling all of the available data. The data we are concerned with in this issue are the temperature and atmospheric carbon-dioxide data. The temperature data consists of the meteorological record that has been collected using various instrumental techniques since the 1850s, and also data from various “proxy” sources that enable the temperature record to be inferred. This may be done from such techniques as the measurement of isotope ratios in gas samples extracted from ice cores and seabed cores.
Using these proxy sources of temperature data, scientists have been able to reconstruct the temperature history of the planet going back thousands to hundreds of thousands of years and beyond. Samples collected from ice and seabed cores can also be used to determine the concentrations of carbon dioxide present in the air over those periods.

on Climate Change at the Heartland Institute on June 12, 2015). Air Temperatures
above the Greenland ice cap for the past 10,000 years reconstructed from
ice cores using data from Alley, 2000 (The Younger Dryas cold interval
as viewed from central Greenland. Quaternary Science Reviews 19, 213-226)
(top panel), with a time scale showing years before modern time.
Lower panel shows the carbon-dioxide concentrations of the atmosphere
over the same period from EPICA Dome C ice core.
Figure 1 shows one example of data derived from such proxy sources. The top panel of the figure shows a declining temperature trend over the 8,000-year period from the Holocene Climate Optimum to the modern warm period (left-hand scale). It also shows that this location experienced numerous cycles of warming and cooling that involved temperature changes of the order of two degrees Celsius.
The superimposition of the temperature data from the modern period instrumental record (dotted line and right-hand scale) provide a very appro-ximate context to the late 20th-century warming.
The lower panel shows that the carbon-dioxide concentration over the same period has been consistently increasing. Neither the cooling trend nor the cyclic behaviour of temperature is reflected in the carbon-dioxide record in the lower panel. Therefore carbon dioxide cannot be causing the observed temperature changes. No causation can exist if there is no correlation.
These data clearly show that whatever effect carbon dioxide may have on the temperature, it is far outweighed by other factors: and this falsifies the hypothesis that carbon dioxide causes dangerous global warming. The data show that there is nothing unusual about the current episode of increased global temperature in either its timing or its amplitude, which lies well within the bounds of natural variation.
From these data we cannot ascribe any cause to the current warming event, nor is it necessary to do so. We simply observe that the data are seen to be consistent with the null hypothesis that the modern warming is due to natural causes, and inconsistent with the alternative hypothesis that this warming is due to carbon dioxide. We do not need to understand the details of the operation of the climate system, which so occupies the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
It is important to recognise that no single data set is ideal. All available data sets have their limitations, including those of Figure 1. It is equally important to recognise that all of the available data must be considered. It is not valid to simply disregard data that don’t suit you when there is no satisfactory data set available to provide all the information required on its own.
The data most commonly relied upon in making the case that carbon dioxide is causing dangerous global warming are the data from the instrumental meteorological record. Over the 167-year period of the meteorological record, it is not possible to observe the extent of natural variation in temperature that can be seen in the proxy record of figure 1. Therefore the meteorological record is incapable of being used to test the null hypothesis. This makes the meteorological record the least useful of the data sets that are available for answering the question of whether the warming observed over the last 100 years is due to increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Conclusions based on these data alone are therefore worthless.
The main limitation of the data of Figure 1 is that they are derived from ice cores at a single location and cannot therefore be considered to represent the “global average” temperature that the meteorological record attempts to approximate. This does not mean that these data can be disregarded. There is evidence from a vast range of sources that the warming cycles of Figure 1, among them the Mediaeval Warm Period, The Roman Warm Period, the Minoan Warm Period and the Holocene Climate Optimum, did not occur only at the sites from which the cores were taken but were in fact widespread and probably global. (For a comprehensive discussion of the evidence, see Heaven and Earth. Global Warming: The Missing Science, by Professor Ian Plimer. Available from Freedom Publishing.)
It is probable, however, that the amplitude of the temperature excursions from the baseline in Figure 1 are somewhat larger than would be seen in a global average graph, if such a graph were available, since temperature variations in equatorial regions are usually smaller than temperature variations at higher latitudes. Nevertheless, the data cannot be ignored, because such data provide the best indication we have of the natural variability of temperature and provide the context within which modern-day warming must be considered. In this context, the current warming event appears to be just the latest in a long series of warming and cooling cycles.
The alternative hypothesis is seen to be completely inconsistent with the data and must be rejected since the 8,000-year declining temperature trend occurs in conjunction with a steadily increasing carbon-dioxide trend.
The current meteorological record shows that there has been no statistically significant warming over the past 19 years. This suggests that we may be at the peak of the current warming cycle and that the next temperature change is more likely than not to be the cooling phase of this cycle. This is consistent with the expectation by some astrophysicists that in the next 20 to 30 years we will encounter conditions similar to those of the Little Ice Age that were experienced during the last cooling cycle.
Under those conditions, the global-warming alarmists may come to regret their love affair with wind turbines that stop turning and solar panels which, in colder areas such as those located around Canberra, may become covered with snow if the southern hemisphere experiences a similar cooling to the northern hemisphere. The alarmists may then want to burn all the coal that they can get their hands on. That may become difficult if the Greens are successful in their push to have all coalmines and coal-fired power stations closed down. Do they seriously imagine that these natural climatic cycles have somehow stopped?
Changes in the climate can be expected and it is prudent to prepare for them. But whether it is warming or cooling, our ability to cope with the changes will depend on the availability of cheap and reliable power. It is deadly foolish to base our response to inevitable climate changes upon a theoretical understanding of the way that the climate system operates that is known to be inconsistent with the data and that would result in a complete inability to deal with the cooling that will inevitably come at some time in the future.
The cooling that was experienced in Europe during the Little Ice Age resulted in shorter northern-hemisphere growing seasons, crop failures, starvation, depopulation and the plague, and was far more deadly than any possible warming we might face. (Again, see Plimer, Heaven and Earth.)
Although there is endless reporting and commentary about the danger of global warming, there is no mention of the data supporting the anthropogenic global-warming hypothesis because no such data exist. Discussion always diverts to such matters as modelling, sea-level changes, weather events, reef bleaching, melting ice caps or any of a myriad other phenomena in which changes have been observed.
If you study nature you will always observe change, but these changes must be seen in their proper context. All of these changing phenomena may (or may not) be signs of warming. But signs of warming are precisely what one would expect to see at the peak of a warming cycle and they tell us absolutely nothing about the cause of the warming. To test the hypothesis that it is carbon dioxide that is causing the warming we must turn to carbon dioxide and temperature data: and they show that whatever the cause of the warming is, it is not carbon dioxide, whose warming effect, such as it is, is clearly outweighed by natural factors.
Any attempt to imply that rises in sea level, for example, are a sign that carbon-dioxide emissions are the cause of global warming is bogus science (there are other reasons why sea levels might rise). It is effectively saying that the hypothesis that carbon dioxide is causing global warming is being supported by another hypothesis: that sea-level rises are due to global warming, which is due to carbon dioxide. Or that the bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef is due to the warming of the oceans, which is due to global warming, which is due to carbon dioxide.
You cannot support a hypothesis with another hypothesis or even a series of hypotheses. That is bogus science. The test of the global-warming hypothesis can only be made against the carbon-dioxide and temperature data.
In a similar vein, any attempt to assure us that we must cut emissions because if we add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere we will reach a “tipping point” that our theory (and our models) show will bring us catastrophe, is also bogus science. Such a line of reasoning is effectively saying: “Don’t take any notice of the data that falsify our global-warming hypothesis. No, we have a theory about how the climate system operates and our understanding of this system is much better at telling how carbon dioxide affects the climate than the data. We know about triggers and tipping points and whatnot, and if we keep adding to the carbon dioxide it will bring catastrophe – just you wait and see.”
That is not science; you cannot support a hypothesis with a theory. The theory is, after all, based on the premise that the hypothesis is true: but the data show that it is false. When vascular plants evolved on earth some 400 million years ago, the carbon-dioxide concentration was more than 10 times the current level, and that did not cause tipping points or runaway global warming; yet we are asked to believe that a mere doubling of carbon dioxide from the very low levels we see at present will bring catastrophe.
Those who claim that carbon dioxide causes dangerous global warming need to produce data that force the rejection of the null hypothesis: that the warming is due to natural causes. This has not been done and, in the absence of those data, the global-warming hypothesis must be regarded as nothing but a theory based on a premise that is known to be false.
For all the costs that “clean” energy policies and high energy prices impose on household, business and national budgets, there can be no possible bene-fit, since the proposition that carbon dioxide causes dangerous global warming is falsified by the data.
One must ask: how can the government have got it so wrong, since the government has access to the best scientific advice available?
The answer to that has two parts. The first, as alluded to earlier, is that the left long ago completed its march through the institutions – including the scientific institutions – so the overwhelming majority of advice to the government conforms to the so-called “consensus” view. The second is that there are too few people entering the ranks of Parliament who understand science and who recognise when they are being fed pseudo-science by those providing the advice.
As the late Professor Bob Carter pointed out, it was not until the election to Parliament of Dr Dennis Jensen as a Liberal Member for the House of Representatives in 2004 that the Liberal Party had anyone with the scientific qualifications and training to discern the pseudo-science from the science and develop an informed approach to the global-warming issue. Dr Jensen displayed a healthy scepticism about the global-warming alarmism in his maiden speech to Parliament.
Unfortunately, Mr Howard did not put him in charge of global-warming policy. Instead, the Liberal Party continued to struggle with the issue while the myths and falsehoods associated with global warming took hold and green ideology took the moral high ground in professing to be intent on saving the planet from “carbon pollution” and the dangerous global warming it was alleged to cause.
Malcolm Turnbull entered Parliament in the same year as Dr Jensen and, in the biggest mistake of his career, Mr Howard in 2007 placed the left-leaning Turnbull in charge of Environment and Water Resources, presumably to give his environment policies some “green credentials”. The opportunity to tackle the global-warming falsehoods and develop a rational energy policy was thereby lost.
The election of Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States and his rejection of the Paris Climate Change Agreement, however, provide the Australian Government with an opportunity to admit its mistake and change direction on global warming and energy policy and thereby give itself a chance of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat at the next election. It needs to find a leader who can tackle this issue head on in the face of the furious opposition that it will encounter from the ABC and the rest of the media, academia, the bureaucracies, and vested interests in the scientific and renewable energy industries.
It will be a tough fight, but it is a fight that can only be fought from within government and not from opposition. It is only when you control the appointments and the purse strings that it is possible to challenge those presenting pseudo-science as evidence and dismiss those who will not properly deal with the scientific objections to the global-warming “consensus” position.
I believe it is the only way this nation can be saved from the high energy costs that are crippling our industries and punishing household budgets. Providing strong support to President Trump on this issue might even begin to turn around this insanity globally and allow the availability of cheap and reliable power to lift underdeveloped nations out of the poverty that currently denies them access to electricity, clean water and sanitation.
Dr Ian Flanigan (retired) obtained a PhD in chemistry at the Research School of Chemistry (ANU).
Original source: http://www.newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=57887
Comment (Eric Worrall): My native Australia continues to suffer the effects of climate driven public policy madness. Despite dire warnings from heavy industry and an economically damaging slump in consumer spending, renewables continue to receive high level support from all levels of Australian government. Our hope is scientists like Dr. Ian Flanigan can reach enough people to turn the tide, before the Australian economy is completely wrecked by this political idiocy

I remember that I attended a open university summer school at Sussex university in 1982 or it could have been 1981 and I witnessed the worst thunder storm I had ever seen ,hours before I became aware of it I kept seeing flashes of light with no noise and thought I had a problem with my eyes .When the thunderstorm arrived there was frequent lightning bursts about one every minute and it lasted the rest of the night .There is no record of this thunderstorm we are only told about the thunderstorm in 2017 because this one was caused by global warming.
https://youtu.be/y26GR6nGEug
I have managed to find a reference to the thunderstorm I witnessed.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wea.1891/full
These kinds of thunder storms are not rare where I live. Scary aren’t they? And before there was any talk of global warming.
Stokes-as-he-ever-was,
Show us how to calculate Climate Sensitivity from first principles. Oh, you can’t, NO ONE CAN???
Then all this talk of CO2 is just unproven speculation costing the world’s economy many many billions, creating higher food prices and starvation, denying emerging economies the benefits of power plants, and leaving electric cars stuck on the side of the road?
Well done, keep it up, making a difference you are…
” Oh, you can’t, NO ONE CAN???”
Arrhenius could. From his 1906 paper (which did halving, not doubling, but same):
“For this disclosure, one could calculate that the corresponding secondary temperature change, on a 50% fluctuation of CO2 in the air, is approximately 1.8 degrees C, such that the total temperature change induced by a decrease in CO2 in the air by 50% is 3.9 degrees (rounded to 4 degrees C). “
No, Arrhenius showed CO2 could reradiate LWR and did mathematical calculations based on CO2 IN ISOLATION. Only with the additions of feedbacks did CO2 produce significant warming. You have said this yourself. CO2 by itself is not the same as CO2 used as part of AGW.
Yeah, and he got it spectacularly wrong.
http://euanmearns.com/zeroing-in-on-the-true-value-of-climate-sensitivity/
His first estimate in 1896 for CO2 ECS in isolation was 5.5 degrees C per doubling. Then he lowered it to 2.1 degrees C in 1906.
Subsequent estimates up until 1973 ranged from 9.6 degrees C to 0.1 degrees C. So, obviously, it’s not easy to measure ECS in the lab, let alone in the actual, complex climate system, with multiple feedback effects.
“Only with the additions of feedbacks did CO2 produce significant warming.”
No, the figure I quoted was with wv feedback. Folks like Gabro like to stop reading when he had calculated 2.1°C based on CO2 alone. But in the para I quoted, he adds in the wv feedback (1.8, “secondary change”) to get a total 3.9°C.
And he goes on to explain how he revised the earlier number from 5 to 3.9:
“My first calculation of this figure gave a slightly higher value – approximately 5 degrees C. In this older calculation, the influence of CO2 was too large, for that the influence of water vapour was valued too low, as Ekholm already commented. This situation was caused in general from Langley’s data, where the quantity of CO2 increases with the quantity of water vapour, so that a slight shift in favour of one results in experimental errors. However, the resulting errors compensate each other for the most part. “
Accurate planetary measurements of atmospheric CO2 do not begin before Keeling @ur momisugly 1950. In 1906, Arrhenius would have halved (or doubled) from a lower point on the saturation curve.
His “secondary change” from water is almost certainly wrong. He was measuring in a jar. How was he to gauge the amount atmospheric water vapor would increase as a result of CO2 warming? More sophisticated studies show that the delta emissivity from the H2O CO2 absorptive/radiative overlap are negative 5 to 10% (Staley and Jurica 1970).
” Arrhenius would have halved (or doubled) from a lower point on the saturation curve”
One aspect of the log behaviour is that you can do most of the analysis in ratio terms, and Arrhenius does. But if you want to calculate how much the expected burning of C will do, you need a concentration. Arrhenius in 1896 used 0.03 “vol per cent”, or 300 ppmv, which is pretty close to what we would say now.
“Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity” (EqCS or ECS) is denominated in units of degrees Celsius per doubling of atmospheric CO2 level, after CO2 has been held at a doubled level for long enough for the Earth’s climate to reach “equilibrium” — i.e., several hundred years. (Another measure called EfCS is similar to EqCS, but defined differently.) EqCS is a theoretical concept, because everyone knows that CO2 will not remain at a doubled level for several hundred years.
ECS is larger than “Transient Climate Response” sensitivity (TCR). I’ve seen the ECS-to-TCR ratio variously estimated between 1.4:1 and 1.65:1. I generally say “about 1½.”
The IPCC’s AR5 best estimate for ECS is 3°C (which I think is too high), but that number is not set in stone. They actually give a range: 1.5 to 4.5 °C (which is widened from the 2 to 4.5 °C range given in AR4). Some other scientists, like Bates (2015), estimate ECS to be 1.0 °C or less.
Of course, 1.5 °C or less would mean there’s nothing to worry about, and 4.5 °C would mean there could be a significant problem. So that range is not terribly helpful from a policymaking standpoint. A range that broad is more useful from a CYA standpoint.
The bottom line is they don’t really know what climate sensitivity is.
Calculating climate sensitivity “from first principles” is intractably difficult, because it is affected by so many complex feedback mechanisms, both positive and negative.
Even calculating the warming effect of CO2 alone, before accounting for feedbacks, is difficult. It is most commonly estimated that one doubling of CO2 yields a “forcing” of about 3.7±0.4 W/m² at ground level, but atmospheric physicist Will Happer has found evidence that that estimate is high by about 40%. It is calculated that a uniform global temperature increase of 1°C would increase radiant heat loss from the surface by 1.4%, which is variously estimated to be 3.2 to 3.7 W/m². If you ignore other heat loss mechanisms which also increase with temperature (convective, evaporative), from those two figures you can calculate that a doubling of CO2, by itself, before feedbacks, should yield an equilibrium (EqCS) average global temperature increase between 0.7 °C and 1.1 °C.
That’s obviously not enough to fret over. But positive feedbacks amplify that warming, and negative feedbacks attenuate it, and many of those factors are not calculable. So you really cannot hope to calculate climate sensitivity from first principles.
Another approach is to try to estimate climate sensitivity emperically, from historical measurements. Here’s how you can calculate a rough estimate of TCR sensitivity (~2/3 ECS), using the time period and temperature index of your choice:
A = attribution to anthropogenic CO2, e.g., 0.5 = 50% attribution.
T1 = initial global average temperature (or temperature anomaly) for your chosen time period
T2 = final global average temperature (or temperature anomaly)
C1 = initial CO2 value (or CO2e)
C2 = final CO2 value
S = sensitivity in °C / doubling of CO2
The formula is very simple:
S = A × (T2-T1) / ((log(C2)-log(C1))/log(2))
For example, if T1 is 0.00, T2 is 0.45, C1 is 339, C2 is 401, and A is 50%, then:
S = 0.5 × (0.45-0) / ((log(401)-log(339))/log(2))
= 0.93 °C / doubling
But if you attribute 100% of the warming to the increase in CO2 level then TCR sensitivity doubles:
S = 1.0 × (0.45-0) / ((log(401)-log(339))/log(2))
= 1.86 °C / doubling
Note: this discussion doesn’t mention minor GHGs like CH4, O3, N2O & CFCs. To take them into account, there are two approaches you can use. One is to substitute estimates of CO2e for C1 and C2. The other is to adjust A to account for the fact that some portion of the warming is due to other GHGs.
Most folks have probably quit reading this long comment by now, but in case anyone’s left whose appetite for this topic remains unsatisfied, “Barrett Bellamy Climate” (Drs. Jack Barrett & David Bellamy) describes several other approaches for estimating climate sensitivity, here.
The authors of this article used a very convenient time scale for that graph. Anyone familiar with the Vostok, Antarctica core analysis knows that for time windows of 100000 years or more CO2 and temperature show correlation.
Then why are we worried about a 150 year increase in CO2? That’s nothing out of 100,000 years.
What am I thankful for?
1. People with the ability to de-emotionalize the ridiculous climate claims of the consistently left-leaning groups!
2. People who teach how science REALLY works.
3. People who expose the insidious methods these groups ALWAYS use, from global alarmists to liberals to communists to ISIS; they all play the same game to short circuit the thinking if their target audiances into handing over their rights, freedoms, and wealth.
4. To live in a country where our rights to free speech are still respected and defended (except by the aformentioned groups)!
Regardless of of the climate debate, don’t you think that it might be a good idea to stop polluting the air for other very important reasons?
Polluting, sure. Adding CO2, not really.
SK – for time windows of 100000 years or more CO2 and temperature show correlation – how strong is that correlation? deg C/conc? In line with CAGW or AGW? Any idea of turnover dynamics?
hhga2,
The correlation is pretty good for a natural process, with a rather fixed ratio of about 8 ppmv/K for the (proxy) temperatures at the South Pole. That translates to about 16 ppmv/K for global temperatures. Here the result for the 420,000 years Vostok ice core CO2 (gas phase) and d18O (ice phase):
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/Vostok_trends.gif
Most of the discrepancies are the result of the lag of CO2 after temperature: 800 +/- 600 years for warming to an interglacial and several thousands of years for the cooling into a new glacial period. If corrected for the lags, the correlatio9n would be even better.
The 16 ppmv/K is not by coincidence the change of the solubility of CO2 in seawater…
The main point against (C)AGW is that the effect is mainly from temperature on CO2 levels, while even relative huge changes (-40 ppmv CO2) after an interglacial show little effect on temperature…
This offering is full of cherry picked data. Very irresponsible.
Let us hope that sanity will prevail. More “real” scientists need to challenge the social engineered or fairy talked science. Capitalism is being attacked as being evil while leftist thoughts are being projected as truths.
Funny how most of the “scientific” community has allowed the skip by
and abuse of the scientific method while sleaze bag promoters and white coat actors
sell a con -game . The main stream media has lowered their content to National Enquirer
status and feeds complete garbage to a scientifically illiterate consumer not realizing they are the ones being ripped off .
Where in the MSM will we see this well written article ? No where. It’s too honest and straight forward
conflicting with the MSM bought and paid for narrative .
Where are the so called science journals and the international science bodies ? Silent enablers of a $$Trillion dollar fraud they have chosen to join .
Pick a time when the moral compass of the west broke . JFK inside job , the cover up of a serial Clinton rapist take your pick .
“The current meteorological record shows that there has been no statistically significant warming over the past 19 years.”
This is a ridiculous lie. The he omits recent CO2 and temperature data. Overall, a dishonest and misleading piece of propaganda.
It depends on the data set. It is 23 years for UAH.
For UAH6.0: Since November 1994: Cl from -0.023 to 1.813
Temperature Anomaly trend
Nov 1994 to Oct 2017
Rate: 0.895°C/Century;
CI from -0.023 to 1.813
See”
:
https://moyhu.blogspot.ca/p/temperature-trend-viewer.html
“The cooling that was experienced in Europe during the Little Ice Age resulted in shorter northern-hemisphere growing seasons, crop failures, starvation, depopulation and the plague, and was far more deadly than any possible warming we might face”
You think this is not what the UN and 500 million people CoR wants.. 😉
If you want global government, you want less people to govern.
The IPCC wont stop if the planet cools, thinking they will is misguided, no matter what happens with temperatures the UNIPCC will not stop this, it has nothing to do with global warming.
I am no conspiracy theorist, these views within the UN and people who lead these enviro groups are commonplace, they see there is too many feeders, too many people to govern effectively, too much democracy, too much individuality.
Less people, more tech to watch every singly thing the “less people” do.
Why do I think along these lines, well, because if I was them, that is exactly what I would be thinking
Agenda 21 was (before being renamed) an official UN document, not a conspiracy theory
The fact they infiltrate government at local levels is a fact, not disputed.
The UN has taken over Canada and Australia, subversively
It’s communism via environmentalism and technocracy
Yep. I call it global federalism.
“Sometimes when I try to understand a person’s motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What’s the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, “How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?” – Little finger
If I wanted to subvert governments, I’d go in through the back door (local government)
If I wanted to reduce what I consider a massively over populated planet without actually mass murdering (I’d think promoting preparing societies for warming and not cooling) See Europe in LIA
If I wanted to have global government, I’d want to cull the 7 billion to a billion (there are many non violent methods to achieve this – pathogens, viruses, incurable diseases, lower fertility of humans)
I am not saying this is what is happening, I am saying if I wanted to achieve those goals these are some of the methods I would possibly consider.
What do I know for a fact? This, the UN will never have global government over 7+ and counting billion people, you can take that to the bank
Queue the “tin foil” comments
Honestly, I am not making claims, I am talking strategy.
FE,
Thank you for the Vostok plot… a pretty good correlation as you say. But it is an outgassing correlation so not that useful for informing about current states. Poor correlation between CO2 and T with glacial/interglacials of our current ice age may not help the CAWG argument but I think the temperature range is maybe more telling. Civilization’s experiences all at the upper 10% of the T range. Overlaying longer term/different proxies would turn the quadratic fit dramatically positive I expect. Retaining the C with AGW will become ever more challenging in our ongoing experiment with the planet. CO2 will top out quite a bit higher decades from now with or without the manic renewables push. And T will follow, but with a whimper not a roar. All bets off when the interglacial fades.
Looking at the very first graph it looks like “the pause” has been going on for 10,000 years not just 18….
Jack Barrett has posted a detailed criticism of Dr. Flanigan’s News Weekly article on their BarrettBellamyClimate web site, on their “Breaking News” page.