Guest essay by Eric Worrall
French President Climate Clown Emmanuel Macron has demanded green trade tariffs be raised against countries which do no share the EU’s climate goals.
Emmanuel Macron vows to replace every dollar Donald Trump withdraws from climate change efforts
French President says France will step in to maintain funding for major international panel
Ben Kentish Thursday 16 November 2017 14:57 GMT
Emmanuel Macron has vowed to replace every dollar that is withdrawn from the UN’s climate change programme by Donald Trump.
The French President told a UN climate summit in Bonn, Germany, that France would step in to cover the cost of US contributions to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that Mr Trump has said he will withdraw.
“I can guarantee that, starting in 2018, the IPCC will have all the money it needs and will continue to support our decision-making,” he said. “It will not miss a single euro.”
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The US currently contributes around €2 million (£1.8 million) a year to the IPCC.
However, Mr Trump has pledged to pull the US out of the 2015 Paris Agreement and other international climate change initiatives. He also plans to promote coal and other fossil fuel industries.
In his speech, Mr Macron also called for an EU tariff on goods imported from countries or companies that do not share its climate goals, and pledged to work to raise the cost of carbon within the EU to €30 a tonne.
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According to EU documents, in 2016 a total of €610 billion (US $710 billion) worth of goods was traded between the USA and Europe, generating €114 billion (US $134 billion) trade surplus for Europe.
Punitive green trade tariffs would undermine the financial stability of millions of people on both sides of the Atlantic.
“According to EU documents, in 2016 a total of €610 billion (US $710 billion) worth of goods was traded between the USA and Europe, generating €114 billion (US $134 billion) trade surplus for Europe.”
Europe has a large trade imbalance with the U.S., in their favor. Trump has said he is going to address this disparity.
I hear Macron is having problems with his own political party. Some of the members are not too happy with him and have resigned.
The socialists have come up with a new method of funding: A carbon tax. And now Macron wants to use it as a weapon. I think it is good for us to focus on this issue.
A carbon tax is just another money-making scheme that will accomplish nothing as far as CAGW is concerned, and the public should be made aware of just how detrimental and futile a carbon tax really is. Yeah, let’s have a public fight over carbon taxes. That’s the ticket.
I am sure his ministers and the EU commission will spell it out to him over the coming days. Getting into a trade war with USA is a very serious thing and if you want to really end the EU keep going that path. What he has really shown is he is politically stupid. That is a war he can not win.
In terms of a national budget, that’s less than a rounding error.
True. However, it is a nice amount for a few people to spend on champagne and caviar.
I wouldn’t mind if they wanted to send that rounding error my way.
“A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you’re talking real money.”
Senator Everett M. Dirksen 😉
So let’s see, Macron wants to “punish” Trump by starting a trade war between “his” EU (I have to wonder what the other members think of this), and he also wants to also raise the cost of EU goods by implementing a “carbon tax”. Good plan. They can just trade with themselves. Hahahahaha!
The US currently contributes around €2 million (£1.8 million) a year to the IPCC.
A trivial sum by climate fraud standards. French taxpayers must be relieved that Macron’s grandstanding virtue signalling at the Bonn comes in at a small price.
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€2 M is actually pretty cheap for the noise he makes and the applauds he gets. Much cheaper and much more efficient in attracting green support that if he pledged to close all nuclear plants (while he actually delays such closing… for “climate change fight” of course, but still, this closing is still highest in greens agenda)
Charlie,
My point exactly.The 2 million euros that Macron talks about replacing appears to be only administrative costs for the IPCC. Who cares?
This is chump change.
Is France going to replace the billions of Euros that greenclimate.fund expects from the USA and which Trump has now terminated?
No.
The expected 100 billion dollars per annum from 2020 (plus up to a further $350 billion p.a.sought earlier this year at Bonn) is cactus.
Go to greenclimate.fund.
Well, gee whiz, what did les crapeaux do before the USA was invented???
So I guess I should go to Binny’s Beverage Depot or Sam’s Club to see if they have any Beaujolais Villages in stock now, before it runs out? May not be necessary. I found a reasonably priced Tuscan red that goes with a lot of things (including moi-meme), so I may just stick with the Italians.
There’s also Wisconsin wine country. Yes, there is.
Big fuss about tiny money. Now if he’ volunteered to replace the USA’s Green Climate Fund contributions, eh? Crowdcatcher.
Coeur de Lion,
Exactly. See my comments to Charlie above.
He is going to tax $710 Billion dollars of trade to recoup 2 Million Euros? Go for it.
What kind of tariffs is he going to place on China and India for their increasing CO2 production? The US is declining CO2 emissions toward the target while China and India are overwhelming everyone else’s efficiency. If he cares about results over scoring cheap political points, he will punish the emerging economies.
Cold in Wisconsin
“If he cares about results over scoring cheap political points, he will punish the emerging economies.”
Well, that hits the nail on the head.
No interest in results – only about scoring [he thinks] political points.
Not sure if Frau Merkel will admonish too quickly. Last time I looked she was having some difficulties stitching up a coalition . . . . . .
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Buy Chilean wine instead of French and Californian.
don’t stop there! boycott stuff from any country which signed up to the Paris agreement – or from any of the US states and cities which support Paris…
sure hope you’ve got the space to grow all your own food.
You have got it totally the wrong way round Griff.
The proposal on the table is for France and its “allies” to boycott those countries that DO NOT sign the Paris accord , not for the US to boycott those that DO sign up.
Given the importance of the US compared to other EU nations it would be very risky for , say , Poland or Spain to refuse to sell their agricultural and industrial products to the population that has one of the biggest disposable incomes on the planet .
However we have learnt over the years that reason and commonsense do not figure highly in EU politics.
Please please try that Griff. Fastest way to end the Eurozone ever and Russia and China would love it.
Lets give you the sad fact everyone outside the Eurozone would side with USA almost to a nation and probably a few from within the Eurozone. They need access to it’s money market and they need it’s military protection.
We won’t have to grow our own food the rest of the world will trade perfectly well just not so much those in that group. I guess you could join Russia and trade with them 🙂
The whole thought of the UK trying to raise the Billions of Pounds it needs to pay the EU (AKA Germany/France) with no access to USA money markets … oh how to shoot yourself in head.
Get your politicians to do it Griff this is a great idea.
As always, Griff demonstrates a total inability to understand the subject being discussed.
The discussion is not about whether or not France is a member of the Paris charade, it’s about Macron’s talk of tariffs.
I don’t think I have: Resourceguy wants to do his own boycott in reply, so I’m just helping him out with the scope of that
A lot of people have go at Griff about his posts . But has anyone thought that he might be part of a ” Cunning Plan “, [ yes , I used to watch BLACK ADDER on TV ], to discredit all of the CAGW believers .
His posts are often so stupid , [ like on the Electric Car thread where he said about putting a car charger on each street lighting post ] , that they make it blatantly obvious how ridiculous some of the Global Warming propaganda is .
“sure hope you’ve got the space to grow all your own food.”
You are from the UK, griff. [snip] !!
[Let’s keep it civil, Andy. And by that, we mean dispense with the insults. Thanks. -mod]
USA , of course has no growing space what-so-ever, does it. !
I propse that when a troll pists something really stupid we call it from henceforth a “Griff”.
i actually think Griff is high-class for a troll. Of course, that is like discussing skinny sumo wrestlers, but . . .
Griff, we already grow all our own food, and a good bit of the rest of the world’s food too. And we’re not boycotting Parasite signatories, it is Marcroon who wants to boycott us. Pull your head out, man. The CO2 levels in there are affecting your brain.
Guys, Macron is a fabulier. He should make first order in his own house, in france. The European total liability of the EU states, as wanted by Macron, is an absolute no-go in the supposedly new coalition in Germany. Even if the coalition negotiations should fail (which is very likely) with any other coalition imaginable.
The debt and deficit watch of France:
https://www.haushaltssteuerung.de/schuldenuhr-frankreich.html
Macron stands on shaky ground, so maybe he has to trumpet so much into the world that he can do anything. Many weak leader do that. By only a few, like Trump, there is substance behind it. That’s why Trump is so unpopular with the new world government in spe. One likes there fabuliers and bankrupties. They are easier to steer.
Hey how come you Yanks get all the cheese-eater slushfunding guarantees? Talk about being flogged with a feather and what about some of this punishment for us Aussies?
Due to your own self-flagellating energy policies, you Aussies might get knocked down by one more feather.
😉
Is Eric not an Aussie?
France used up their coal a long time ago. It has been the position of France for a long time that the world should not use coal but buy French nuclear reactors (rebranded US reactors).
This policy is in the self interest of France. Who are the clowns? I would have to say the leaders of coal producing countries that buy into not using coal.
Is Eric even more critical of Aussie leaders?
France will shut down all coal power plants by 2023
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-close-coal-plants-shut-down-2023-global-warming-climate-change-a7422966.html
Yeah but German Greens just caved in with Merkel talks they will be still alive and working until 2030-2032.
They need that to close the Nukes.
They talks are still on edge and may yet fail and the Germans head back to the Poll’s.
And its nuclear plants soon after.. roflmao !!!
“France used up their coal a long time ago.”
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Euh no, not that Malthusian peak-coal nonsense again.
France still has plenty of coal, so much that many open field mines could have been opened and exploited to produce cheapest electricity, like e.g. the project in Nievres.
It’s just that the stupid politicians and the almighty French nuclear lobby have killed it. Just look at how the French climate “scientists” are stooges of the nuclear lobby and you’ll see how this climate-change bandwagon stinks (just an example, Jouzel, an IPCC propagandist spreading climate fear on all French media, is originally “ingenieur du commissariat à l’énergie atomique”).
The US stands ready to accept refuge companies fleeing climate change policies.
While Trump is in office, at least.
“….In his speech, Mr Macron also called for an EU tariff on goods imported from countries or companies that do not share its climate goals, and pledged to work to raise the cost of carbon within the EU to €30 a tonne….”.
Those who talk of tariffs and trade wars between the U.S. and Europe (or France at least) should take into consideration one of the causes of the Great Depression starting in 1929—the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.
“…As the Great Depression tightened its grip on the nation, the government was forced to act. Vowing to protect U.S. industry from overseas competitors, Congress passed the Tariff Act of 1930, better known as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff. The measure imposed near-record tax rates on a wide range of imported goods. A number of American trading partners retaliated by imposing tariffs on U.S.-made goods. As a result, world trade fell by two-thirds between 1929 and 1934. By then, Franklin Roosevelt and a Democrat-controlled Congress passed new legislation allowing the president to negotiate significantly lower tariff rates with other nations….”.
https://www.thoughtco.com/causes-of-the-great-depression-104686.
Ignore history, and world politicians will repeat its mistakes every time.
Carbon tax is a proven way to prosperity – proven by climatology.
I saw what you did there 🙂
French wine is actually American wine. In the 1800’s French vines were virtually wiped out and the French wine industry was saved by grafting in American vine rootstocks which were disease resistant. Mind you the phylloxera which killed the French wine probably originated in the new world. Without the USA there would be no France, no Macron and no French wine . Still, not to worry, the French Unions will take care of Macron long before anyone else needs to be concerned. Ask Hollande.
Well tit for tat because there would not be a United States if not for France. When one counts the blockading French fleet there were more French combatants at Yorktown than Americans.
We should never forget that the last two World Wars started in Europe. If not for the USA and NATO they would most probably been killing each other again. Remember the media and Democrats claimed Trump was going to get us in a trade war. Well I guess they can claim that since he bailed on Paris he forced Macron into putting tariffs on US goods. Even though India and China are now the big emitters they signed up for Paris so Macron, I guess, wouldn’t punish them.
NATO was founded 4 years after the war ended.
and the EU. One object of the EU was peace in europe
They are doing so nicely in Crimea, Ukraine, and Georgia.
And in the former Yugoslavia.
It’s 22 years since the Srebenica massacre.
About 8000 men and boys were massacred, in Europe, not far from the borders of the EU, with an EU Force in town.
And nothing was done.
There were other massacres – some by other players – including one where a hospital was emptied, and the patients executed. Vukovar?
No, the record of the EU is not pristine.
Stopping some of the massacres there may have been hard – and it may have come at some risk to the forces on the ground – but ‘hard’ is not utterly impossible.
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Griff would have the UK outside the EU with no trade agreement and then not trading with USA or any of it’s partners. However it’s ok, Russia, North Korea and Iran will be big trading partners.
“If not for the USA and NATO they would most probably been killing each other again.”
They are killing each other again. It’s just that they now prefer to import third worlders to do the killing for them.
The closing speeches underway at COP23, the usual see you at COP24 for the next free drinks.
However there was a workgroup discussion that hasn’t been on the Western Media radar that is causing some heat in some parts of the world. This little gem … Boosting Gender-Responsive Action.
http://womenalliance.org/unfccc-cop-23-in-bonn-and-the-gender-plan-of-action-gap
I can’t read much of the discussion as it isn’t in English but obviously in a certain sector that is obviously causing some issue.
The econutts not satisfied with fighting on a pile of fronts already decided to add another. They really really don’t want this agreement to succeed. You couldn’t do this much stupidity by accident it must be clearly being sabotaged from within.
I guess they could add support for LGBTI rights into the agreement next, think that should really hit the mark in that sector.
To get a real attention, they should add a LGBTI tax to carbon tax.
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It is about time that gender use of resources is discussed. Females consume more than males of the words resources, services and retail space. I conservatively estimate at least 25% more than males. As examples, cosmetics, clothing, shoes, hair dye,
If females purchased the same volume of clothing as males Asian garment production would drop by at least 10%.
Keep smiling.
Ah yes, the millions of young unemployed men and women in France (10% of the documented citizens) are probably shaking in their boots knowing that the U.S. is going to cut funding to the IPCC. These young people with bleak futures always worry themselves about the funding of U.N. bureaucrats. And threatening tariffs on a nation that you have a trade surplus with, while you have 10% unemployment, what a geeenius.
That is a great idea. Trump should use the Green Agenda to MAGA by imposing tariffs on foreign nations based upon bogus green claims. Impose tariffs on German because their wind farms kill endangered species.
Maybe Trump should go along with the “Green Trade Credits” and set a Tariff of 1000% on the import of Champagne on the basis of CO2 Cross Border
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Macron looks like a poster child for hubris.
He’s not so different from Trump in throwing zingers of distraction while also moving ahead on the hard items like labor and tax reforms in France.
..and not unlike the NK fools up to a point.
In his speech, Mr Macron also called for an EU tariff on goods imported from countries or companies that do not share its climate goals,
The EU INDC submission to COP21 states
The EU and its Member States are committed to a binding target of an at
least 40% domestic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2030
compared to 1990,
Most INDC submissions do not state they will reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. As a result, even if the proposals are fully met (and the EU is unlikely to meet its target) then emissions are forecast to be higher in 2030 than they are today. This graphic from the UNEP Emissions Gap Report published at the end of October demonstrates the situation quite nicely.
So President Macron is wanting sanctions not just against the USA, but most of the World of the world as well? This includes China, India, nearly every African country, most countries in SE Asia, the Middle East nations and some other countries besides. Or is it just those who stand up to the useless European climate policies, that are benefiting large businesses with subsidies financed disproportionately by the poor?
Who cares for the poor when all the life on the planet is at stake?
And who decides when all the life on the planet is at stake?
I feel sorry for the French getting stuck with Marcon for 5 full years. Well, actually maybe I don’t. They deserve each other. The French will be the worse off in 5 years for having elected this clown. As has been his pronouncements on CAGW and relocating climate scientists to France. Have at them, better there are all in France than accepting welfare here.
Jesus, you are talking about Macron being a clown when you have the buffoon in chief running your country? Macron is highly educated, speaks English almost perfectly and wants to reform the EU. Blabbermouth Donald – can swing a gold club and strut around at some state banquets thinking he is God almighty. I know which one I would choose to be my President…
Meh, who cares about French wine tariffs. Petty soon they’ll be growing wine grapes all the way up to Alaska as the blistering heat of ‘klimate change’ takes hold.
Cheers!
Wow, Alaskan Pinot!
The reality is that the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. The USA is currently a poor country with a huge federal debt, huge annual federal deficits, and huge annual trade deficits. Before the USA can even considering anything like this the USA must turn things around economically and payoff her debts and at best that will take quite a while. But if France wants to spend more money in this area, be my guest. France can start by providing me with a free electric car and a solar changing system to change it it up with. If France provides it, I will make use of it.