New Zealand to Introduce a “Climate Refugee” Visa

National flag of Kiribati, public domain image source Wikimedia

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

New Zealand is considering adding “climate change” to its list of accepted reasons for claiming refugee status. But in my opinion this initiative is not what it seems.

New Zealand considers creating climate change refugee visas

Minister says experimental humanitarian visa category could be introduced for people displaced by rising seas

New Zealand’s new government is considering creating a visa category to help relocate Pacific peoples displaced by climate change.

The new category would make official the Green party’s pre-election policy which promised 100 visas for those affected by climate change.

As part of the new Labour-led coalition government, the Green party leader James Shaw was given the role of climate change minister.

He told Radio New Zealand on Tuesday that “an experimental humanitarian visa category” could be implemented for people from the Pacific who are displaced by rising seas resulting from climate change.

“It is a piece of work that we intend to do in partnership with the Pacific islands,” Shaw said.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/31/new-zealand-considers-creating-climate-change-refugee-visas

Why do I suggest this offer is a sham? The reason is New Zealand ALREADY offers citizenship to residents of alleged climate hotspot Kiribati – but hardly anyone has accepted the offer. In the words of Kiribati President Anote Tong;

… There are potentially hundreds of millions of people in low-lying areas that could be affected by sea level rises. He wonders if wealthy countries fear that cases like Mr Teitiota’s could turn climate migration from a trickle to a raging torrent.

But there hasn’t been a dramatic exodus just yet. The New Zealand immigration department sets aside 75 places a year in a lottery for migrants from Kiribati, and at the moment it can’t fill them.

President Anote Tong suggests that is because things aren’t desperate enough yet.

“It’s not a critical issue yet. I think if there are people who migrate now, I hope they would do it out of choice. But as to the question, is it so critical that people would be regarded as refugees? My answer would be no, not at this point in time.”

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34674374

This New Zealand initiative might be a response to the high profile 2015 deportation of Kiribati citizen Ioane Teitiota, who attempted to claim asylum in New Zealand as a climate refugee. The decision to deport Mr. Teitiota was strongly criticised by left wing and green politicians.

Sad day as Kiribati deportee gets marching orders

Wednesday, 23 September 2015, 8:39 am
Press Release: New Zealand Labour Party
Phil TWYFORD

MP for Te Atatū

22 September 2015
MEDIA STATEMENT

Sad day as Kiribati deportee gets marching orders

News that Ioane Teitiota will be deported to Kiribati will be a blow to him and his family and to the local Kiribati community, Te Atatu MP Phil Twyford says.

“As the local MP, I had asked Associate Immigration Minister Craig Foss to allow the family to stay in New Zealand on humanitarian grounds.

“It now appears Mr Teitiota is due to be deported tomorrow.

“This is very sad for the family and the Kiribati community. We gave it our best shot. Unfortunately it wasn’t enough.

“While the courts rejected Mr Teitiota’s bid to be classed a refugee, this case has highlighted the need for the Government to do more to tackle the threat of rising sea levels to low lying Pacific nations like Kiribati and Tuvalu,” Phil Twyford says.

ENDS

Read more: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1509/S00384/sad-day-as-kiribati-deportee-gets-marching-orders.htm

An investigation by New Zealand journalists suggests a very different reason why Mr. Teitiota might have wanted to leave his homeland. Mr. Teitiota’s former employer accuses the failed Kiribati climate refugee of being a lazy, violent sexual predator.

‘A dark underbelly’ – sex allegations made against Kiribati ‘climate change’ refugee

However revelations have been made against Mr Teitiota by a former employer saying he sexually assaulted a female co-worker and violently assaulted other colleagues before being fired from a west Auckland market garden.

Mr Argent says he made a “throw away” line about being an environmental refugee and “they ran with it”.

He says in October last year a female worker complained about Mr Teitioata, and a month later another female worker alleged he bailed her up in a shed, came onto her and sexually assaulted her.

He was fired and police were informed, but the case did not proceed due to lack of evidence.

Mr Teitiota was warned about his actions.

Other workers then came forward with more claims of violence against Mr Teitiota.

“They filed affadavits stating one of them was threatened to have his throat cut,” Mr Argent says.

“The other had been hit by a spade and another said he had been falsifying his time sheets.”

Read more: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/-a-dark-underbelly-sex-allegations-made-against-kiribati-climate-change-refugee-q12092

As far as I know Mr. Teitioata has not been convicted of any of these alleged crimes. But if these accusations are a true reflection of Mr. Teitioata’s character, there is no mystery why he didn’t want to return to his Kiribati homeland, a place where the relatives of victims tend to take a very traditional view of how to respond to unprovoked assaults against their loved ones. My guess is Mr Teitioata’s departure and reluctant return to Kiribati had nothing to do with anthropogenic climate change.

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84 thoughts on “New Zealand to Introduce a “Climate Refugee” Visa

  1. “As far as I know Mr. Teitioata has not been convicted of any of these alleged crimes. But if these accusations are a true reflection of Mr. Teitioata’s character,…”

    As part of the visa application process, a character statement is made by the applicant and a thorough Police search for criminal records is performed for every country lived in for 12 months or more. I know this from personal experience in both New Zealand and Australia.

    It is likely that, although no charges were laid, his character was such that the NZ immigration service rejected his application on those grounds.

    • Not so .. quick brief history
      2013 He lodge claim for refugee status because of climate change .. application rejected.
      Appeals the decisions to High Court .. appeal rejected 2014.
      Appeals that to the New Zealand Court of Appeal .. Appeal rejected
      Appeals all that to New Zealand Supreme Court who reject it and make a finding

      “that environmental degradation resulting from climate change or other natural disasters could never create a pathway into the Refugee Convention or protected person jurisdiction.”

      So there are only two ways he or any other climate refugee can stay in New Zealand, the government has to change the law or the Minister for Immigration grant a special Visa.

      So that is why the labour government is seeking to change the law.

  2. Hey, If I lived on a crappy little island (CLI), why not jump at the opportunity to become a NZ passport holder too? And once a NZ passport holder, I could go anywhere in the Commonwealth, right? Aussi, UK, etc.

    Maybe if NZ’s welfare and health-care hand-outs are not better than on my CLI? Keep my native citizenship to go back to my CLI if doesn’t work out.

    • And once a NZ passport holder, I could go anywhere in the Commonwealth, right? Aussi, UK, etc.

      Only to visit. If you want to live, you must apply for a permanent visa. I believe there’s a special allowance for Kiwis in Australia (unsurprisingly as it was once part of Australia)

      • New Zealand was never part of Australia it was part of the colony of New South Wales, which was way before the federation of Australia. The relationship is simply built on historic very close ties and back in history we had equal residency rights under the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangements, but not anymore.

        Since 1 September 1994 New Zealanders can enter Australia and work and reside under a Special Category Visa provided they do not have tuberculosis or any serious criminal convictions. The same works for Australians wanting to reside in New Zealand.

        Neither citizens have rights to reside in UK unless they have a British parent. You used to be able to do it if you had grandparents of British decent but that has been closed down.

      • NZer’s in Australia used to enjoy permanent resident status once. That all changed in February 2001. Herr Clarken Furher caved in to political pressure from Howard. NZer’s are now granted a special category visa, subclass 444, upon entry and is revoked upon exit. That entitles you to live and work in Australia and you are subject to the same criminal checks as any other migrant. To apply for a permanent resident visa, NZer’s apply under the general skill category, like any other migrant. 444 visa holders are not entitled to certain taxpayer funded benefits such as welfare and education, even though most pay tax, for at least 2 years. Australians living in NZ however, receive full benefits. Children born to NZer’s in Aus are NZ citizens.

        I happen to be a British citizen by birth, a NZ citizen by grant and an Australian permanent resident.

    • Joelobryan,

      Maybe the sun loving Kiribati’s prefer their sunny and easy going life style.
      Check this out.

      https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/pacific-access-category-resident-visa

      (Kirbati Quota = 75)

      https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/news-notifications/pacific-quota-ballot-results

      (Kiribati = 9)

      NZ is probably a bit cold for them I suppose. Anyway it doesn’t look like a rush to leave the islands because of flooding does it?

      Cheers

      Roger.
      http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

    • We actually have 4-6 million people and around 30 million breeding ewes and around 5 million milking cows and if the green beans get their way they would ban cows .They are anti most things that help the general population such as agricultural exports .Irrigation water storage dams ,fish farms and CO2

    • Winning and nervous , NZ is a back door into OZ , the new socialist green government don’t care who comes in because they will all head to the mainland .

    • You are way out of date. It is over 4 million people and about 25 million sheep where as back in 84 there were about 75 million sheep.

  3. This will be the one of a steady stream of stupid initiatives from the bright green party now sitting on the government benches in New Zealand .They form part of a left wing government and we just hope that there are enough wise heads to counter the silliness that these people will try to push through into law .The green party are extreme in New Zealand but a lot of their support comes from suburban women who think that by voting green they will save the environment and the world without really understanding their policies and how they will affect New Zealanders

    • Its baffling why the CAGW theme caught on in NZ. Its always going to rain there, be covered with vegetation and be rather cool and windy, a bit of warming would surely be of great benefit.

      • We have a temperate climate in New Zealand and a fairly long growing season .A lot milder than all of northern Europe and Northern states of USA and most of Canada .
        Snow fall in the coastal North Island is a rare event but inland on high ranges and volcanic cones we expect regular snow storms during the winter June till even October .The lower South Island can get snow down to sea level but it usually thaws quickly

      • I was in NZ in ’95 – A1 (State Highway 1?) was shut – Auckland was cut off from Windy Welly – snow; shut for about three days IIRC.
        Had to go round via coastal cities [at the time the definition of a city in NZ was a population of 20,000].

        Lovely country, mind.

        Auto

    • I once went swimming in New Zealand’s Lake Taupo in February (height of Summer). Beautiful place but it was only just warm enough for swimming. I suspect if Taupo wasn’t the caldera of a restless super volcano it would have been quite cold.

      • That’s because the lake is fed by snow melt from the nearby volcanoes. Yes, very cold.

        Lake Tekapo in the South Island has a wonderful blue hue from the melt from nearby glaciers. It can be 30 C (which translates to roughly 450 F, I think, in antiquated units) in the middle of summer and the lake is so cold you can only go to your ankles despite the rest of you boiling.

        It is not expected that the Center-Left (“Labour” Party), Far-Left (“Greens”) and Nationalist whatevers (“New Zealand First” Party) will survive their term. Their support is pretty shaky and they are full of deeply delusional and incompetent ideologues that most normal kiwis look askance at. The new Prime Minister is even more inexperienced and inadequate than Justin Trudeau.

        One gets the feeling that the most popular party, the centralist “National”Party (allegedly Right-of-Center but this is New Zealand), is just waiting for the new ruling coalition to implode before retaking the reigns of power and righting the ship once again.

      • Eric, if you look at a thermal contour map of the water in Taupo you will find it has a relatively ‘warm’ zone at depth in the centre of the calders’s crater lake. Of course this is due to the relatively high geothermal gradient of the underlying rocks. Lake Taupo is an active volcano which will erupt in the future – we just don’t know when!…
        When it does, and if the eruption is similar in size to many of the previous eruptions as can be seen in the geological record, then a large part of New Zealand’s North Island will become covered by metres of steaming hot ash swept out of the crater as oxygen sucking, intensely hot, pyroclastic avalanches.
        I’m sure, after an event like this, Kiribati will welcome the few surviving refugees from NZ although I suspect the tsunami which would result from an eruption of this magnitude would also wipe Kiribati off the map.
        BTW, I understand NZ government geophysicists keep a very close eye on water temperature changes and earthquake activity but I’m not sure just how much warning locals will get from them before the next eruption. I suspect that a catastrophic wipe out half of NZ is unlikely to be an election issue – much easier to stop sheep and cow flatulence to ‘save the world’ from a slow <0.0001 degree temperature rise.

      • Moa, I grew up near lake Tekapo, and as a small child actually lived at the foot of the Round Hill ski field near the head of the lake. Alas, it is not a volcanic caldera Lake and has a very cold heart! As children, my sister and I were made to fear water because if we were to go for a swim in the inviting water we would be unlikely to survive for long!

    • Don’t know why everyone complains about government. The government did not self generate. It is not an autocratic. It goes into a legitimate election every so many years, and wins legitimately. People wanted the greens.

      So PLEASE REPLACE the GOVERNMENT by PEOPLE or MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.

      Then you will recognize how wacked out the folks in NZ and California are

      • nandee jothi .
        Why do we complain ? The Greens become part of the New Zealand Governmentand are now going to start pushing their idiot policies .The greens received 6.2 % of the vote but have been brought into a coalition government that Labour and New Zealand First have formed .
        There are 120 seats in the parliament ‘
        National hold 56 + 1 .
        Labour hold 46 seats .
        The king maker was Winston Peters of the New Zealand First party who holds 9 seats
        The Greens hold 8 seats
        New Zealand First negotiated with both major parties but choose Labour and the Green beans .

  4. I grew up in Northern Ireland.
    Belfast: Annual Weather Averages. July is the hottest month in Belfast with an average temperature of 15°C (59°F) and the coldest is January at 4°C (39°F) with the most daily sunshine hours at 6 in June. The wettest month is October with an average of 90mm of rain.
    I am now a climate refugee in Australia!

  5. Here we have a classic example of a countrys stupidity. Of replacing a highly successful conservative government of some ten years. With another socialist government. That has been in “power” less than a couple weeks. And already the costs to the government that did not exist before are being added. As another “save the planet initiative” is proposed at taxpayers expence . The simple fact that this, another socialist left cheer squad of the anthropological global armagedon scam has raised it says it will happen.

    • “Highly successful”? Really? Certainly not in doing anything about the number of children living in poverty. Nor in managing IT projects. Nor in adequately provisioning one of our main teaching hospitals. Of particular relevance here: our Emissions Trading Scheme was indeed introduced by a Labour government, but National had 9 years to shut it down and did nothing of the kind. If you read National’s policy at https://www.national.org.nz/climate_change you’ll see that as far as that goes we had a choice between Gog and Magog. New Zealand First (I’ll let you find their policy for yourself) *did* say they wanted to scrap the ETS, but it’s not clear that their alternative would have been any been any better. ALL the political parties were and are devout believers in AGW.

  6. If criminality can scientifically be found to be attributable to climate change, such as sparrows become smaller, less snow, more snow, less polar bears, less cold, more cold more rain less rain, etc. etc, then New Zealand will become a criminal’s paradise.

  7. Teitiota’s green backers spent four years arguing before tribunals, the High Court, the Court of Appeal (and even attempted to go to the Supreme Court), to have him recognised as the world’s first climate refugee.

    The Court of Appeal upheld the Tribunal’s finding that “the supplies of food and water for Mr Teitiota and his family would be adequate if they were required to return to Kiribati”.

    Kiribati has problems as a result of over-population, “[dynamite] fishing” in their protective reef, and pollution of the fresh water lens under the island. However, there has been no detectable change in surrounding sea levels during the past 25 years.

    • That was actually “dynamite fishing” in the Kiribati coral reefs (damn the auto-correct system) – a major problem. As noted at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_fishing

      “Researchers believe that destructive fishing practices like blast fishing are one of the biggest threats to the coral reef ecosystems. Blown up coral reefs are no more than rubble fields. The long-term impact associated with blast fishing is that there is no natural recovery of the reefs. Coral reefs are less likely to recover from constant disturbance such as blast fishing than from small disturbance that does not change the physical environment. Blast fishing destroys the calcium carbonate coral skeletons and is one of the continual disruptions of coral reefs.[8] In the Indo-Pacific, the practice of blast fishing is a main cause of coral reef degradation. As a result, weakened rubble fields are formed and fish habitat is reduced.

      The damaged coral reefs from blast fishing lead to instant declines in fish species wealth and quantity.[9] Explosives used in blast fishing not only kill fish but also destroy coral skeletons, creating unbalanced coral rubble. The elimination of the fish also eliminates the resilience of the coral reefs to climate change, further hindering their recovery. Single blasts cause reefs to recover over 5–10 years, while widespread blasting, as often practiced, transforms these biodiverse ecosystems into continuous unstable rubble.[10]”

      • I understand that certain coral islands in the South Pacific that saw heavy action in WWII have still not recovered.

  8. Sea level data for Tarawa (capitol of Kiribati) 1992-2016.

    The sea level in this area is very sensitive to ENSO, otherwise nothing much. However if you choose your start- and endpoint carefully to match Ninos/Ninas you can get just about any trend you want.

  9. If anyone ever doubted that the new Prime Minister, Ms Dinosaur Dentures was a dud, she is rapidly proving them wrong for doubting.

  10. Wow well that will be interesting.
    Since the Maldives sank about a decade ago :) where are these guys coming from?
    Another waste of space and they have only been in power for a week.

  11. And the ‘refugee’ insanity continues. In Europe anyone can claim refugee status for virtually any reason whatsoever. And if the acceptance criterion du jour is that you have to be a child then all a middle-aged bearded terrorist need do is claim to actually be a child and he’s in.

    In the case of NZ and its climate refugees I suppose that all anyone is required to do is claim that they are in fact a climate refugee and who is going to oppose that? After all, the entire multi-trillion dollar climate alarm industry runs on zero evidence. There is no evidence whatsoever linking any climate change to human activity so if I were to go from UK to NZ and simply claim that my island is rapidly sinking beneath the waves because of cagw then who will gainsay me? If someone does actually have the temerity to ask for some supporting evidence then a photograph of a spring tide or a bit of coastal erosion and surely its a slam dunk.

    How have we come to this? How have the suicidally barking insane rag-tag assortment of Greens, Leftists, Liberals, Progressives and Marxists come to dominate virtually every Western democratic nation?

  12. We will see the law of unintended consequences in action with this piece of gesture politics. The generosity is aimed at purported victims of the islands of the pacific, who will not come.
    Those who will are from Bangladesh.

  13. It’s not politically correct to mention this but I have observed that people harp on their victimhood to avoid the consequences of their own actions and shortcomings. It works because the soft hearted don’t look further once someone claims to be a victim.

    I am reminded of a song from West Side Story. link

    Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke,
    You gotta understand,
    It’s just our bringin’ up-ke
    That gets us out of hand.
    Our mothers all are junkies,
    Our fathers all are drunks.
    Golly Moses, natcherly we’re punks!

    These days everyone who isn’t an old white guy is a victim. Jordan Peterson has a brilliant ten minute video about victimhood. link

      • eyesonu

        Everyone is a victim of circumstance. The circumstances are, we are born, then we die. Anything in between is entirely within our own control with the possible exception of certain medical conditions.

        However, the contemporary perception of us old white guys is that we are all wealthy and/or enjoying the fruits of everyone else labour in our retirement. Never mind that we paid all our lives for our retirement, comfortable or otherwise, under the circumstances that prevailed at the time.

        E.G. I was a policeman before leaving the job after 11 years and going into business. My colleagues and I used to work 7 x 8 hour days in a row; 7 days 6am – 2pm early shift, 2 days off, then 7 days 2am – 11pm lateshift, then 2 days off, then 7 days 11pm – 7am nightshift and 3 days off.

        There was no shift allowance, no extra for working 2 days over what everyone else in a 9am – 5pm job did per week, but we were promised a reasonable pension when we retired at 50 years old. So fair enough, most guys sucked it up and stuck it out, but are now flagellated for getting a well earned modest pension.

        Who nowadays in the UK, with a responsible job, would work 7 days in a row shiftwork, without being awarded a variety of allowances? But their pension rewards might not be as generous as ours were at the time. So quid pro quo.

        You can probably imagine how incensed I get when my former colleagues are criticised by our youth for being parasites on the public purse. They rightly enjoy their pension. Mind you, most of them took a job when they retired because their pension isn’t really enough for idle living.

        They took control of their circumstances and made the best of them. None of them claimed to be victims. If they couldn’t, or didn’t want to do the job because of their circumstances, they left the job.

        Women were paid exactly the same as men and, by and large, did precisely the same job. They worked in a male environment, but there was no whining about harassment, they learned to give as good as they got and many were considerably tougher than most men intellectually, and sometimes physically.

      • @HotScot

        You should come and work in my town. Four 10-hour days, three days off, agreed to as a convenience to the officers. Vacation pay computed based on the DAILY pay, not weekly pay. Take a weeks’ vacation, get 60 hours of pay. Similar computations for sick pay. Oh yeah, retire at 50, collect your pension AND get another job.

  14. I agree that it’s a sham, but a nifty PR stunt none-the-less.

    People have to live somewhere. If their home becomes unlivable, they’ll have to move. And if they live near New Zealand, there’s a good chance they’ll move to New Zealand. 75 or 100 visas a year is insignificant, it doesn’t change anything. But NZ gets to play leader of the nice nice at the UN.

  15. The answer is simple: just offer people a house, a job, and money to pay for moving expenses in return for offering to be a “climate refugee”. Problem solved!
    Because nothing says climate change is real, it’s dangerous, and happening now like “climate refugees”. Even if you have to bribe them.

  16. The horse is out of the barn, climate refugee-wise. In the U.S. people have been moving to WARMER places for centuries. California has gone from 1.5 million population in 1900 to 40 million today, mainly from migration from cold states in the Northeast and Midwest. Even the millions of Mexicans who now live in California came from higher elevations in Mexico that have cooler climates. Southern California, the hottest, driest part of the state, is the most densely populated.

    Florida went from half a million in 1900 to 20 million today, mainly from migration from colder states. Florida is also flatter, wetter, closer to sea level, and more hurricane-prone than most of the places migrants came from. Texas is one of the hottest states of all, and has gone from 3 million in 1900 to 27 million today, again mainly from migration from cooler states and cooler regions of Mexico.

    Homo sapiens is a tropical animal. That’s why we have to wear clothes, except on special occasions, usually warmer than usual. People don’t really hate heat, but they are susceptible to doomsday fads. If people really believed the world was on the brink of heat-wrought destruction, they’d be moving to Canada and Siberia, not Australia and Dallas.

    You can believe the Chicken Lickens of climate propaganda, and disregard your own lying eyes, or you can look at the facts.

  17. Why is NZ so desperate to get “Climate” refugees; even when there is little interest among their target market?

    Could it be with a couple of hundred or so they have the makings of a global PR media-release like “Islanders flee rising sea levels in NZ”?

    • No it’s perhaps a longer play they will get the islands for free because they have all the residents. I suggested Europe could do the same once you have the population of a small African country you should be able to go and claim the land. It is a peaceful way to expand a country you just need to make sure it doesn’t happen like China has done with Tibet :-).

      • So – as long as Brexit does not disturb the past trend [a significant maybe, I know – but this mention proves I am not a climate ‘scientist’] – in about a generation, the UK should be able to claim France [given the immigration . . . .].
        Nice the think that Bordeaux and Burgundy will be British wines . . . . . .

        Auto

  18. The Greens in NZ have to act as if they believe their propaganda. Just how much they do believe is a matter of dispute.

    • Amongst my PhD-equipped colleagues, including an American, an Australian, an Englishman, a couple of Austrians, another European, and several Chinese, there are two climate realists, both of us born here. (And one open-minded Australian.) Most of them think I am crazy. I say “have you *read* any of the papers you say prove it? No? Well, I have. So what makes my opinion worse than yours?” The answer of course is “who do you think you are setting yourself against THE CONSENSUS?” I would be astonished if any of the Greens *didn’t* believe their propaganda whole-heartedly. They want it to be true, they need it to be true, so wouldn’t they believe it? (Evidence? Nah.)

  19. We should ship all the green zealots, dodgy troughing politicians and their subsidy farmers there for a Start. No right of return. Ideal location. Economy won’t last long though. Tough when reality hits the moronic electorate. How can former Brit people be SO stupid?

    Doesn’t say much for NZ education systems or the ability of people to independnently validate what they are told. They put seriously bat shit crazy people in charge. At least we only make ours Baronesses to limit damage to our country..Baroness Worthington only managed to waste £5Billion pa of our money and counting on the phoney in energy fact promises of renewables, before she was elevated to the peerage and the haemorrhaging wound in our economy tht was the DECC wound up – before we bled to death.

    • All Western are. Disease called cultural Marxism.

      We woke up too late because initially they drove things that sounded good, like minority power, overtaxing everybody, freedom from police, world peace by submission. It just later became evident this meant inequality, inefficiency, criminality, takeover by immigrants etc.

      They say white men don’t need equality, environment does not need efficiency, criminals are humans too, and I don’t have a right to independence. If you disagree with cultural Marxists, they’ll get to your throat. They want to take away your money, freedom, and values.

      But what to fight CM with? They’re everywhere and we are divided and weak. They control Western MSM and governments to a large extent. They have most parties in most Western countries. They have the EU and the UN. They have California, Canada and Australia.

      Spots of resistance are in danger of being or becoming sockpuppets of CM unfriendly Russia. Yikes. Russia is no friend to Russian Greenpeace, but is no good ally either, on the contrary will help the demise of the West.

  20. When the lights go out we will see change. Bit like the TRUMP, thing. . and possibly BREXIT. . What is happening is a modern version of the French revolution. The phesants are revolting, yes they are, Hi.

    Michael Elliott.

  21. And as if by magic they will appear….. It is called the least line of resistance to get whatever you want. The whole refugee system is bankrupt and they just make it more so.

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