Oh Noes! 'Climate action window could close as early as 2023'

From the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN and the “climate deadline is always just a few years out, but keeps moving” department comes this familiar cry we’ve heard soooo many times before. Then, they move the goalpost again. On the plus side, they show the Paris Climate Accord as being ineffective, something obvious anyway.

Beyond EPA’s Clean Power decision: Climate action window could close as early as 2023

ANN ARBOR–As the Trump administration repeals the U.S. Clean Power Plan, a new studyfrom the University of Michigan underscores the urgency of reducing greenhouse gas emissions–from both environmental and economic perspectives.

For the U.S.’s most energy-hungry sectors–automotive and electricity–the study identifies timetables for action, after which the researchers say it will be too late to stave off a climate tipping point.

And the longer the nation waits, the more expensive it will be to move to cleaner technologies in those sectors–a finding that runs contrary to conventional economic thought because prices of solar, wind and battery technologies are rapidly falling, they say.

Steps outlined in the Clean Power Plan, as well as in the 2016 Paris climate accord, would not have been enough to meet the goal of keeping global temperature increase to 2 degrees Celsius by the end of this century, the study shows.

To achieve the 70-percent reduction target for carbon dioxide emissions used in the study, additional steps would be needed–and before 2023. The window for effective action could close that early.

“If we do not act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions forcefully prior to the 2020 election, costs ?to reduce emissions at a magnitude and timing consistent with averting dangerous human interference with the climate will skyrocket,” said Steven Skerlos, U-M professor of mechanical engineering. “That will only make the inevitable shift to renewable energy less effective in maintaining a stable climate system throughout the lives of children already born.”

Before Trump’s reversal of both the domestic and international climate plans, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had recommended a 70-percent cut in carbon dioxide emissions from industrialized nations such as the U.S., where nearly half of emissions come from the electric and automotive sectors.

Using a custom, state-of-the-art model of these sectors, the researchers showed that the window for initiating additional climate action would close between 2023 and 2025 for the automotive sector and between 2023 and 2026 for the electric sector.

“That’s true under even the most optimistic assumptions for clean technology advancements in vehicles and power plants,” said study lead author Sarang Supekar, a mechanical engineering postdoctoral fellow at U-M.

Withdrawal from the accord and the EPA’s plan to repeal the Clean Power Plan will only make the chances of achieving the goal more remote, the researchers say.

“In the absence of a government mandate, and if there is encouragement for coal to come back, then there’s no way we can meet the target,” Supekar said.

To arrive at their findings, Supekar and Skerlos calculated the future greenhouse gas contributions of the auto and power industries based on two approaches going forward–“business as usual” and “climate action.” Their calculations relied on the lowest-cost technologies in each sector.

In the “business as usual” scenario, the auto industry followed its current rate of vehicle diversification–utilizing efficient internal combustion, electric and hybrid models, and the power sector utilized mostly natural gas and renewable plants. In the “climate action” scenario, those sectors relied on a greater percentage of cleaner automotive and power technologies to meet the IPCC climate goals.

“At some point, likely by 2023, you actually can’t build the newer, cleaner power plants fast enough or sell enough fuel-efficient cars fast enough to be able to achieve the 70-percent target,” Skerlos said.

Added Supekar, “The year-on-year emission reduction rate in such dramatic technology turnovers will exceed 5 percent after about 2020, which makes the 70-percent target infeasible for all practical purposes.”

The analysis found no evidence to justify delaying climate action in the name of reducing technological costs, even under the most optimistic trajectories for improvement in fuels efficiencies, demand, and technology costs in the U.S. auto and electric sectors. In fact, the study found that waiting another four years to initiate measures on track with the 70 percent target would take the total cost for both sectors from about $38 billion a year to $65 billion a year.

“You could take this same model or a different model and arrive at different cost numbers using a your own set of assumptions for “business as usual” or interests rates, for instance,” Supekar said. “But the point is, regardless of whether the cost of climate action today is $38 billion or $100 billion, this cost will rise sharply in three to four years from now.”

The IPCC has determined that in order to keep Earth’s average temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial times by the end of the century, global greenhouse gas emissions must be reduced between 40 percent and 70 percent by 2050. The U.S. is the largest cumulative emitter of greenhouse gases, and the electric and auto industries account for nearly half of the country’s annual output. Fossil fuel combustion accounts for 95 percent of those industries’ emissions.

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The study, “Analysis of Costs and Time Frame for Reducing CO2 Emissions by 70% in the U.S. Auto and Energy Sectors by 2050,” is published in Environmental Science and Technology. It was funded by the U-M Energy Institute and the National Science Foundation.

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October 11, 2017 11:04 am

One more goalpost to refute. You wonder when they’ll finally give up?

Joe Wagner
Reply to  Steve Brueck
October 11, 2017 11:06 am

“But this time its TRUE! SERIOUSLY!!!!”

Greg
Reply to  Joe Wagner
October 11, 2017 2:10 pm

Can someone please shut that window , then we can get on with discussing something which MATTERS.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Joe Wagner
October 11, 2017 5:42 pm

Yes, shut it because this window is the window of opportunity for a world govt to slide in by means of “necessity”.

Greg
Reply to  Joe Wagner
October 11, 2017 8:06 pm

Shut the window and close the shutters, it’s getting dark outside and there are beasts prowling.

Greg61
Reply to  Steve Brueck
October 11, 2017 11:09 am

When SMOD is only a few days out and they know they are going to die anyway, just not from CAGW

higley7
Reply to  Steve Brueck
October 11, 2017 1:03 pm

There is absolutely no reason for them to give up pushing their disaster, we must all sacrifice, scam as there is nothing to be gained by quitting and everything to gain by persisting and hoping to succeed in the future.

Reply to  Steve Brueck
October 11, 2017 1:16 pm

When the money runs out. But not a day before.

Reply to  Steve Brueck
October 12, 2017 3:59 pm

They make the Nazgûl look like shirkers. They will never stop.

John
October 11, 2017 11:04 am

I thought it already closed… several times.

Bryan A
Reply to  John
October 11, 2017 12:34 pm

We keep crossing it but no one seems to trip at the Tripping Point

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 5:53 pm

Weebles wobble, but they don’t fall down.
Global climate seems to operate similarly.

wws
Reply to  John
October 11, 2017 1:03 pm

This is getting to be worse than the “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!!!” at the local Discount Furniture Outlet. Which has been running every weekend for the last 10 years, at least.

Bryan A
Reply to  wws
October 11, 2017 2:09 pm

World ends at 10…Film at 11

Pop Piasa
Reply to  wws
October 11, 2017 6:05 pm

The art of the sale is creating a sense of urgency in the mind of the buyer.
These folks are quite transparent to those who posess critical thought.
This must be the transparency that the BO administration bragged.

Bob Burban
Reply to  John
October 11, 2017 3:08 pm

Nah … it bangs like a dunny door in a gale

Bemused Bill
Reply to  John
October 11, 2017 4:35 pm

Yes, but this time its much worse than previously thought!!!! I’m so upset I will go out and deface someone else’s sculptures later after I have a good old hysterical tantrum in my safe space. I wonder what mommy is going to cook me for lunch? I wonder if she will let me borrow her car after last time? I’ll phone Jane later to tell her what a hero I am for my duty to humanity…and maybe she will let up on my losing my latest job down at the mini market. I shouldn’t have to do those menial tasks anyway, I’m far too intelligent for that crap. I hate all those dinosaurs. Mum shouldn’t have a car anyway, she can catch the bus. She should have a Prius….I wonder if Mom would buy me a car for my birthday? Its my 35th so I should get something good. It will have to be a Prius though, unless she gets me something cool! Jane would like that. I could plant some trees to make it carbon neutral…I’m sooo wonderful. Why cant everyone see that?
A few thoughts from your typical socialist.

Ph.D.Guy
Reply to  Bemused Bill
October 12, 2017 2:33 am

LMAO! Wonderful synopsis of a liberal and both true and sad at the same time.

catweazle666
Reply to  Bemused Bill
October 14, 2017 5:14 pm

(SNIPPED) MOD

October 11, 2017 11:07 am
spetzer86
Reply to  vukcevic
October 11, 2017 11:45 am

Wonder if they’ll ban the fossil fuel needed to charge their batteries, too?

Gerry, England
Reply to  vukcevic
October 11, 2017 1:40 pm

Buses tend to last a long time so I wonder if it would actually be cheaper for Stagecoach to say ‘F*ck Oxford, we are closing down the services’. These dumb schemes to save the planet end up scrapping perfectly good vehicles and using more energy to create new ones. Delivery companies might be in the same position – not worth delivering to Oxford. That would be so funny – less so if you live in Oxford or run a business there of course – but the collapse of the supply chain would be such an embarrassment to the council.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Gerry, England
October 11, 2017 6:11 pm

Those busses will make great housing down the road, just mount a proper solar array and rent to 1slamic refugees.

Auto
Reply to  Gerry, England
October 12, 2017 12:22 pm

In London the Dark Brown company [UPS I think] started using electric delivery vehicles before I gave up smoking – so by 2004. They could redeploy those truck, after a dozen or more years use to Oxford.
Auto.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  vukcevic
October 13, 2017 11:01 am

The first thing to go should be all the emergency response vehicles. “Oi, what’s that you say? Councilman’s having a heart attack? Sorry guv, you’ll have to carry him to the city limit before we can pick ‘im up.”

Tom Halla
October 11, 2017 11:09 am

Someone please explain to me why preventing a rise of 2 degrees C above 1850 levels is such a worthy goal. Considering the history of the 2 degree theme, which was done by an economist if I recall correctly, not a specialist in climate, why, pray tell, is that such a bad outcome?

Reply to  Tom Halla
October 11, 2017 12:17 pm

Tom Halla,
Whenever I see a comment about the origin of the 2°C limit, I always like to remind people where the dreaded and dangerous 2°C limit comes from (hint: it’s pulled from a place of darkness).

Clearly a Political Goal
Rarely has a scientific idea had such a strong impact on world politics. Most countries have now recognized the two-degree target. If the two-degree limit were exceeded, German Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced ahead of the failed Copenhagen summit, “life on our planet, as we know it today, would no longer be possible.”
But this is scientific nonsense. “Two degrees is not a magical limit — it’s clearly a political goal,” says Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK). “The world will not come to an end right away in the event of stronger warming, nor are we definitely saved if warming is not as significant. The reality, of course, is much more complicated.”
Schellnhuber ought to know. He is the father of the two-degree target.
“Yes, I plead guilty,” he says, smiling. The idea didn’t hurt his career. In fact, it made him Germany’s most influential climatologist. Schellnhuber, a theoretical physicist, became Chancellor Angela Merkel’s chief scientific adviser — a position any researcher would envy.

Please read the whole thing at:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/climate-catastrophe-a-superstorm-for-global-warming-research-a-686697-8.html

Reply to  Phil R
October 11, 2017 12:38 pm

“Chancellor Angela Merkel’s chief scientific adviser — a position any researcher would envy.”
I don’t know about that. Science Advisor to “Handsy” Merkel? She’s the Harvey Weinstein of Realpolitik.
Seriously, I can’t think of a more denigrating task for a scientist than having to rubber stamp her loony science policies.

Reply to  Phil R
October 11, 2017 3:29 pm

Mumbles McGuirck,
I agree in general, but please remember that someone actually married Weinstein, and your second point assumes that someone is a scientist with ethics and not a political hack looking for more dosh.

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 11, 2017 12:37 pm

Forgive the joke (or relish it) but…
Perhaps all the Climate Models are Blond

The Reverend Badger
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 2:58 pm

That’s a dumb joke.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 3:09 pm

But funny.

oeman50
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 12, 2017 10:19 am

I know that some interpret the 2 degrees C as the “tipping point”. I am also fairly sure that some think 2 degrees C is OK, but 2.0001 is not. But we all know that nature rarely works in round numbers, but people like them all the time.

oeman50
Reply to  oeman50
October 12, 2017 10:21 am

And that still does not address the question about what was the temperature of the earth in 1850…….?

Auto
Reply to  oeman50
October 12, 2017 12:31 pm

Or even what is “The Temperature” of the Earth today?
Paucity of data.
Urban Heat Island Effect possibly affecting some [but no idea which] readings, or how much].
Inadequate siting of instrumentation.
Use of models to infill [change your assumptions, change your outcome].
False claims of precision to a tenth of a degree; remember, the ‘Number of the Beast’ is 670 – to two significant figures!.
Changes of instrumentation on the ground, on ships, and on satellites – with sometimes inadequate overlapping data.
And, of course, there is inefficiency, perhaps bias, and even fraud.
Auto

arthur4563
October 11, 2017 11:12 am

Don’t these morons see that “business as usual” means, as usual, technological changes? Electric cars are imminent, especially with the advent of the recently announced Toshiba batteries coming to market in 2019, and I will suggest that molten salt nuclear reactors will dominate – and they can be manufactured and installed very quickly – they require less site preparation than your typical windmill, which sits on a huge block of concrete.

Bryan A
Reply to  arthur4563
October 11, 2017 12:41 pm

Not so sure the Concrete is such a good argument in favor of Molten Salt Reactor vs Wind Turbine Generation. Typicaly far more concrete goes into the Nuclear Generation Facility construction than is used in the footing of the Wind Turbines.

MikeyParks
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 2:00 pm

But with thousands of times the output.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 2:13 pm

True there.
On a “pound of concrete per MWh of electricity produced” basis, there is likely far less concrete in a single 2 unit 2200MW Nuclear Reactor facility than in an equivalent 2200MW worth of Wind Generation

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 6:24 pm

How many wind turbines can run as long as nuclear (or for that matter, fossil fuel) plants?
How many wind turbines produce enough power in their usable lifetime to reproduce themselves once, much less many times over?
How many wind turbines, over what geographic distribution and grid management would it take to provide steady base load to the greater NYC area alone?
No wonder our Aussie mates are in a tizzy.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 7:06 pm

NYC is easy. Due to population density, to power the island by solar would require covering Kings, Queens, Brooklyn and every inch of Long Island to a line south from the middle of Smithtown Bay. That is just to replace the current electric usage. To supply additional electricity for a total electric transportation system would require the remainder of Long Island. To supply the same amount of energy from Wind Turbines would require an area 1/2 the size of the state of Connecticut.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 8:22 pm

… and then they’d be so closely packed together that the wind to the turbines in the center would be decreased.

MarkW
Reply to  Bryan A
October 12, 2017 7:09 am

Bryan, is that just face plate capacity? Does it include enough energy to charge up the batteries needed to keep the lights on at night and on cloudy days?

Edwin
Reply to  arthur4563
October 11, 2017 12:46 pm

The organized environmental community will oppose any and all attempts to go nuclear. They already believe they have managed to get enough regulations and bureaucrats hoops in place to make it too expense. I will bet if someone worked out fusion reactors they would be even more opposed. Until capitalism and the USA are destroyed they will not be happy. Just bring up restoring or expanding hydroelectric and remind them it is a renewable, that hangs them up every time since one segment of the environmental community has been fighting to remove hydroelectric dams for decades now.

MarkW
Reply to  arthur4563
October 11, 2017 1:55 pm

People have been telling me that electric cars are imminent for over 50 years.
Nothing has changed. Nothing will.
While it MAY be possible to someday build electric cars that are cheaper than IC cars, there are two fatal flaws.
1) Replacing the battery pack is more frequent and much more expensive than replacing an engine and drive train.
2) Range and recharge time make them unusable for most people. And don’t go into the usual claims about fast recharge times. Those kill battery life.

Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2017 2:56 pm

3) Replacing the battery pack is more frequent and much more expensive than replacing a petrol tank. (Not that this ever seems to be necessary!)

John Francis
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2017 6:30 pm

Forget those factors. The required increase in the electric grid capacity to recharge all those batteries is absolutely impossible, economically and practically.

lee
Reply to  arthur4563
October 11, 2017 7:45 pm

The new Toshiba Li-on batteries? All those batteries searching for a new lithium supply

Auto
Reply to  lee
October 12, 2017 12:38 pm

So – you could buy ‘Cornwall Lithium Company’ shares.
This is not advice.
Other Lithium Companies may be available outside China.
Shares may go up as well as down.
Never gamble money you can’t afford to lose.
Auto – with not even a single cent invested in the ‘CLC’ [and it might be ‘Mine’ or similar in the name, too!
Caveat emptor – let the buyer beware.
If I have missed any of the statutory warnings, please keep quiet about it – thanks!

Phoenix44
October 11, 2017 11:15 am

Surely if anything has been shown to be nonsense it is these “tipping points” or whatever they want to call them? We have had so many and every single one has passed without any kind of runaway anything occurring. if those forecasts were utterly wring, why are new ones any better? The science doesn’t seem to have gone anywhere in 10-15 years frankly, with so much time and effort and money spent to justify forecasts (that cold only be right by chance, even if the basic science was correct) rather than provide new insights or new information.

Bryan A
Reply to  Phoenix44
October 11, 2017 12:44 pm

Here is what happens when the models reach their predicted Runway tripping points

tom0mason
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 10:36 pm

She must have been daydreaming about clouds.
No models are good with clouds.

Editor
October 11, 2017 11:16 am

I think we’ve had a five-year “climate action window” since 1978… I wish someone would just slam that widow shut and lock it… So we don’t have to hear about it anymore.

Latitude
Reply to  David Middleton
October 11, 2017 1:37 pm

“maintaining a stable climate system”
We don’t have a stable climate system now!

MarkW
Reply to  Latitude
October 11, 2017 1:56 pm

Not just now, but there has never been a stable climate.

Bryan A
Reply to  Latitude
October 11, 2017 2:15 pm

I don’t think they wanted to state what they really meant to say…”Creating a Stable Climate System”
as that would imply the ability to control the weather and ultimately the climate.

tom0mason
Reply to  Latitude
October 11, 2017 10:48 pm

In as much as the chaotic climate moves in erratic jumps to quasi-stable patches, and the ‘climate scientists™’ are all jockeying for position on the back of the UN-IPCC horse (trading). As the climate move into cooler period, this might be the first time that the (quasi-)stable has bolted before the horse has moved.
🙂

Reply to  Latitude
October 12, 2017 3:50 pm

We have a stable climate for thousands of years. +/- 3°C.

Rhoda R
Reply to  David Middleton
October 11, 2017 3:12 pm

+1000

Reply to  Rhoda R
October 12, 2017 12:42 am

Putting the stable before the climate?
Time for your fifth labor, Hercules.

Reply to  David Middleton
October 12, 2017 12:30 am

There’s a sad sort of clanging from the clock on the wall…
Stuck on two minutes to doomsday…cuckoo, oh cuckoo…comment image

Auto
Reply to  beththeserf
October 12, 2017 12:41 pm

beththeserf
Many thanks! Excellent!
An admirable example of early Photoshop, I believe.
No-one has worn a moustache that narrow since 1945!
Auto

ClimateOtter
October 11, 2017 11:18 am

How do they figure everyone is going to be driving electric cars and using electric heating in their homes, is going to work if the ELECTRIC sector has to cut back?

Resourceguy
October 11, 2017 11:21 am

Case dismissed is more like it.

Resourceguy
October 11, 2017 11:33 am

A stiff tax on Michigan residents and its industries would help for now. The world needs some lab rats for this experiment.

Walt D.
October 11, 2017 11:56 am

Oriental Carpets – Annual Going out of Business Sale!

Bruce Cobb
October 11, 2017 12:04 pm

If a “climate action” window closes and nobody cares, did it ever really happen?

nn
October 11, 2017 12:06 pm

2023. 2033. 2043. and so on so forth.

Tom in Florida
October 11, 2017 12:20 pm

How many windows does this house of cards have?

Resourceguy
Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 11, 2017 12:53 pm

+1

lee
Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 11, 2017 7:47 pm

They must be thankful there is no window tax.;)

gunsmithkat
October 11, 2017 12:24 pm

It’s the dreaded Overton window! OMG!

commieBob
October 11, 2017 12:29 pm

The U.S. is the largest cumulative emitter of greenhouse gases …

What’s that supposed to mean? It sounds like weasel words.
China emits twice as much CO2 as America. link

MarkW
Reply to  commieBob
October 11, 2017 1:57 pm

It means that adding up all CO2 emissions since the beginning of time.
That’s how they get the attention off developing countries.

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2017 2:19 pm

Like China’s “Per Capita” CO2 figures.

Rhoda R
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2017 3:13 pm

Just another way to bring the blame and the onus back on the US.

Hugs
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2017 3:12 am

“Like China’s “Per Capita” CO2 figures.”
They’re pretty big.

rocketscientist
October 11, 2017 12:30 pm

I was wonder what established the 2023 date then I read this and it became clearer:
“If we do not act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions forcefully prior to the 2020 election, costs ?to reduce emissions at a magnitude and timing consistent with averting dangerous human interference with the climate will skyrocket,” said Steven Skerlos, U-M professor of mechanical engineering.
So, it seems the climate tipping point is awaiting the outcome of the next presidential election to determine whether it goes catastrophic or simple evaporates into nothingness.
I always find it comforting to realize that the earth is so considerate of our agendas. [sarc]

Bryan A
Reply to  rocketscientist
October 11, 2017 2:24 pm

If Trump is reelected, they will relocate the goal posta from 2020/2023 to 2024/2027. If another Republican is then elected in 2024, they will again move them to 2028/2030. By then China will reach their stated 2030 proposed cutback period and will “Need a 10 year extension” on their allowed CO2 production prior to cutting back.

nigelf
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2017 4:00 pm

Trump will be reelected and yapping about climate on the campaign trail will be even more of a political death wish than it is right now. Nobody buys the BS anymore.

PQ
October 11, 2017 12:32 pm

Let’s all read this again:
“And the longer the nation waits, the more expensive it will be to move to cleaner technologies in those sectors–a finding that runs contrary to conventional economic thought because prices of solar, wind and battery technologies are rapidly falling, they say.”
This makes no sense- if prices are rapidly falling then you’d be an idiot to buy them now instead of waiting until they have fallen further.

Trebla
Reply to  PQ
October 11, 2017 2:12 pm

PQ: Right on. And the longer you wait, the LESS it costs on a discounted cash flow basis. As a matter of fact, I would suggest we wait an infinetly long time so that the discounted sum will approach zero in current dollars. Economics 101.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Trebla
October 11, 2017 2:41 pm

Don’t forget the cost of lost opportunity. Take the money you are saving by waiting for the price of solar energy to drop and invest it in something that will appreciate in value.

Johan
October 11, 2017 12:38 pm

Phil R: I recall Phil Jones commented on the 2 degees: “The two degree figure is pulled out oif thin air”

Walt D.
Reply to  Johan
October 11, 2017 1:05 pm

Better than from where the Anglo Irish Bank pulled their bailout figures?

Old44
Reply to  Johan
October 12, 2017 10:41 am

And there I was, thinking they pulled out of somewhere else.

James Loux
October 11, 2017 12:45 pm

… said Steven Skerlos, U-M professor of mechanical engineering. “That will only make the inevitable shift to renewable energy less effective in maintaining a stable climate system throughout the lives of children already born.”
Professor Skerlos, a Mechanical Engineer, not a “climate expert,” makes a statement that implies man has the power to maintain the earth’s climate system as stable “throughout the lives of children already born.” When has the earth’s climate been stable? Does the professor not know that every 100,000 years or so the climate completes a cycle of glaciation that includes 12 degrees C of climate change? And not in a good way, but in a way that covers the cities in the now temperature temperate areas with ice that is thousands of feet thick. And the warm part of the cycle has pretty well timed out, so we are due for the part that will chill those children, not overheat them with a 2 degree C rise.

Roger Graves
October 11, 2017 12:53 pm

You can paraphrase the U. of Michigan study as “Don’t stop the contracts and subsidies for wind and solar, otherwise we’ll issue ever more outlandish threats of climate doom and gloom.”
Ah, now it makes sense. $3 trillion worldwide since 2000, and counting. What’s not to like?

willhaas
October 11, 2017 1:14 pm

The big problem with all of this is that, based on paleoclimate evidence and modling results, the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. AGW is a conjecture full of holes. The AGW conjecture is based upon a radiant greenhouse effect that has not been observed anywhere in the solar system including the Earth. The radiant greenhouse effect is sceince fiction. Hence the AGW conjecture is sceince fiction. If CO2 really affected climate then the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years should have caused at least a measureable increase in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere but such has not happened. There are many good reasons to be conserving on the use of fossil fuels but climate change is not one of them.

Allan Spector
Reply to  willhaas
October 11, 2017 4:00 pm

CO2 constitutes only 0.05% of our atmosphere. How the hell can CO2 effect climate. AGW is totally BS!

Reply to  Allan Spector
October 11, 2017 4:04 pm

You are correct Allan, CO2 cannot “effect” climate. However CO2 can affect climate.

October 11, 2017 1:15 pm

Whatever happened to that Northwest Passage by 2017 that they had promised us?

John V. Wright
October 11, 2017 1:37 pm

About that tipping point. CO2 levels reached 1,000ppm in the Triassic – but mammalian life is still thriving. How come?

MarkW
Reply to  John V. Wright
October 11, 2017 1:59 pm

Fell to 1000ppm would be more accurate.

Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
October 11, 2017 1:49 pm

Heart-rending stuff… you can hear the voice cracking in the phrase “children already born”. Children, that is, as opposed to “people”.
It seems improbable to me that the warmistas are wholly unaware of the imminent PDO cold phase, on the contrary I suspect it keeps them awake at night.
But if, IF action is taken TODAY or, worst case, by teatime tomorrow, then maybe, just maybe, they can say, there you go, we did it but only just in time.

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