Has Britain's Michael Gove Joined the Green Squishies?

Right: Official White House Photo of President Trump. Left: UK Politician Michael Gove. By Department for Education – low resolution version at http://www.education.gov.uk/aboutdfe/departmentalinformation/ministerialteam/gove, OGL, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

UK Environment Minister Michael Gove just slammed President Trump for walking out on the Paris Agreement.

Michael Gove ‘deeply regrets’ Trump’s approach to Paris climate agreement

In first speech since cabinet return, environment secretary says he hopes US president will have a change of heart

Michael Gove has said he “deeply regrets” Donald Trump’s approach to the Paris agreement on climate change and hopes the president will have a change of heart, in his first speech since returning to the cabinet.

The environment secretary said international cooperation was crucial to resolve the problem of climate change, adding: “The world’s second-biggest generator of carbon emissions can’t simply walk out of the room when the heat is on.”

Gove also said the government was not prepared to compromise on environmental standards, sustainability or animal welfare to secure a trade deal.

Instead, Britain would compete on quality and not take part in a “race to the bottom” to win new trading relationships, he said. “Of course it’s important we explore new trading opportunities, with the United States and other nations across the world but it must not be, and the cabinet is agreed on this, at the risk of dropping any environmental standards whatsoever.”

In the speech at the WWF, Gove also pledged to deliver a “green Brexit”, although critics have pointed out that the Queen’s speech contained no planned environmental legislation. He also said farmers must prove they deserve future subsidies after the UK leaves the European Union.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/21/michael-gove-farmers-must-prove-they-deserve-subsidies-after-brexit

The full text of Gove’s speech is available here. In the speech, Gove praises the contribution of green organisations like the WWF and Greenpeace.

… Environmental organisations – from WWF to the RSPB, the Wildlife Trusts to Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth – enjoy memberships in the tens and hundreds of thousands, and also the support of millions more and a capacity to move hearts more powerful than any other set of institutions in our civil society.

And their campaigning energy and idealism, while occasionally uncomfortable for those of us in power, who have to live in a world of compromise and deal-making, is vital to ensuring we continue to make progress in protecting and enhancing our environment.

On everything from alerting us all to the danger posed by plastics in our oceans and nitrogen oxide in our air, to the threats posed to elephants by poaching and cod by over-fishing, it’s been environmental organisations which have driven Governments to make progress. They have demonstrated that we can, with sufficient will, halt and reverse those trends and forces degrading the natural world and we can, if we have that will, improve the environment we are handing on to the next generation. …

Read more: https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-unfrozen-moment-delivering-a-green-brexit

Michael Gove is an interesting figure in Conservative British politics.

Gove was widely blamed for sabotaging popular MP Boris Johnson’s bid for leadership of the Conservative Party in 2016, after Gove abruptly withdrew his support from Boris Johnson, and threw his own hat in the ring.

As The Telegraph said at the time;

… “This was a carefully planned assassination,” an ally said. “It was systematic and calculated to do the maximum damage to Boris.

“When he saw his opportunity for an act of midnight treachery he took it.” …

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/boris-johnsons-allies-accuse-michael-gove-of-systematic-and-calc/

Gove was accused of being over-enthusiastic in his support for President Trump, immediately after Trump won the election. But now Gove accuses President Trump of “walking out when the heat is on”.

As Education Secretary Gove claimed to champion the poor – but now he cosies up to the WWF and Greenpeace, and throws his support behind the Paris Agreement, which if implemented in full will have a brutal impact on energy bills. High renewable energy bills disproportionately hurt poor people.

What does Michael Gove really stand for? Difficult to say. Lets just say if I was a leading Conservative politician, I would not want my close ally Michael Gove to be standing directly behind me.

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July 24, 2017 4:22 pm

“The world’s second-biggest generator of carbon emissions can’t simply walk out of the room when the heat is on.”


July 24, 2017 4:29 pm

The world’s second-biggest generator …

China, the biggest emitter, gets a pass of course.

richard verney
Reply to  commieBob
July 24, 2017 9:41 pm

And by 2030, India will be the second biggest CO2 emitter, and it too has a free pass.
What do these politicians not understand about the Paris Agreement; it does nothing to stop manmade CO2 emissions being far higher in 2030 than they are today. Further, them seem to fail to grasp the fact that even outside the Paris Agreement, the US will reduce its CO2 emissions far more effectively than any other developed nation which is still within the Paris Agreement.

Reply to  richard verney
July 25, 2017 11:13 am

By 2022 India will have installed 175GW of wind and solar… it has banned new coal plant applications till 2022. It is intending all new cars sold after 2030 will be electric…
I don’t think you have looked at how hard India is working on renewables and CO2 reduction.

Reply to  richard verney
July 25, 2017 12:44 pm

richard verney July 24, 2017 at 9:41 pm
“What do these politicians not understand about the Paris Agreement; it does nothing to stop manmade CO2 emissions being far higher in 2030 than they are today. ”
And what is wrong – provably wrong – with manmade CO2 emissions being far higher in 2030 than they are today?
Might the planet be greener?
May fewer – mostly elderly – Brits die from the cold in marginally warmer winter nights?
And was the younger Michael Gove the original model for Alfred E. Neuman?
Auto – dumb enough to think Copy-Paste works in Word Press. Shucks!
You can all google an image of Alfred E., and see for yourself . . . .
[If you are too young to remember MAD from the 60s. [Is it still publishing?]}

Bryan A
Reply to  richard verney
July 25, 2017 2:22 pm

And India’s new wind and solar projects will be generating approx 25% of the nameplate MWh so while they will have 175GW installed capacity it will be producing < 45GW of electricity. This is why they still have plans for an additional 1100+GW of Coal Generation through 2030

Bryan A
Reply to  richard verney
July 25, 2017 2:25 pm

While global coal use is thought to have fallen by 4.6% year on year through the first nine months of 2015 – … A third of the new capacity in the global pipeline is coal (1161/3165 GW) …– and nearly 90% of this is in rapidly growing Asian economies.
An earlier study from the San Francisco-based Climate Policy Initiative found that China had invested as much as US$38 billion (253 billion yuan) in coal fired power plants overseas between 2010-2014 and had announced plans for another US$72 billion (480 billion yuan) worth of projects, an almost 100% increase.
China’s coal footprint is particularly large in Asia. In 2015 coal-fuelled plants accounted for 68% of generating capacity built by China in the rest of Asia, and in future this is set to rise, according to an earlier paper co-authored by Hannam. In contrast, where countries built capacity without Chinese support, coal-fired plants made up only 32% of new capacity. Worldwide, the majority of China’s support to the power sector in the global south was funnelled into coal, says the paper.
China is the largest supplier of equipment to India, which is expected to double its coal capacity by 2031. Chinese firms account for 60% of the equipment ordered in the private sector and are involved in at least 19 projects across the country, the largest being a massive 4,000 MW plant in Gujarat, built by Huaneng and financed by the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC)

July 24, 2017 4:31 pm

It honestly doesn’t matter. The UK will be a Muslim majority country within one or two generations anyway so answers to these and all other problems must be sought in Islamic scripture. As the Islamic demographic soars unabated why anyone would be concerned with these trivia is a bit of a mystery.

Reginald Vernon Reynolds
Reply to  cephus0
July 24, 2017 6:01 pm

Sadly, the way things are going I don’t think it will take a generation. The current Uni crop have already sold out, the only hope is the next generation after them fights back. Why do people like Gove join the Convervative Party? are they moles? He even looks like a LibDem.

Reply to  Reginald Vernon Reynolds
July 24, 2017 7:40 pm

“He even looks like a LibDem.”
If you ask me, he looks like Mr. Bean.

Reply to  Reginald Vernon Reynolds
July 24, 2017 10:58 pm

“If you ask me, he looks like Mr. Bean.”
Just less able.

Reply to  Reginald Vernon Reynolds
July 25, 2017 12:51 am

I am sure that Mr Bean would find that comment hurtful.

Peter C
Reply to  Reginald Vernon Reynolds
July 25, 2017 3:43 am

Not a mole, nor a LibDem, although the UK really has only one political party, the LibLabCon. Ignore the rhetoric, especially at election time or in opposition. If you look at what they actually do their policies are pretty much the same with only a difference in emphasis and what they consider the priorities. They are ALL social democrats, big government, big welfare, big regulation, big spending, big taxing, big direct provision. As to Gove, he is the epitome of the modern politician, whatever seems to be the most expedient position at any given time is his position. Like the rest of his ilk, deceit, spin, massaging or selecting desirable fact is ingrained to the extent they lie with almost every word they utter, indeed they lie even when the truth would suit them better.

Reply to  Reginald Vernon Reynolds
July 25, 2017 5:48 am

RVR 6:01 pm: His face could compete with Alfred E. Newman.

Reply to  Reginald Vernon Reynolds
July 25, 2017 6:42 am

Ah, yes cephus0 and Mr. Reynolds, that would be ‘ethnic cleansing’, ask Blair & Clinton, succumbing to incessant media agitprop and fake news, they’ll bomb you into submission, then you’ll have to leave your home, your churches will be burnt, priceless mediaeval treasures turned into ashes, all under watchful guard of UN’s coalition forces protecting few obstinate christian ‘remainers’, all seen elsewhere in Europe.

Reply to  cephus0
July 24, 2017 7:41 pm

And once Britain is an islamic republic, they will automatically revert to “developing” country status and be exempt from emission reductions, but instead will be eligible for payments from the US under the Paris agreement. Maybe he’s just looking ahead.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  cephus0
July 24, 2017 11:02 pm

Excellent comment cephus0. It is very sad to see one of the great world powers and the home of much enlightenment descend in barbarism. But, it looks as if that is the future for UK. I don’t see anyone or anything on the horizon to stop it.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  cephus0
July 25, 2017 4:37 am

[snip…this is a debate which does not belong on this site~ctm]

Reply to  Ian Macdonald
July 25, 2017 8:00 am

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July 24, 2017 4:34 pm

Don’t know much about UK politics. But on the face of it, Gove should be long gone. The governing principle is idiots not well tolerated. Anywhere. A personal view from a Deplorable.

Reply to  ristvan
July 24, 2017 7:46 pm

The Conservative Party in Britain was always a bit of a mystery to me. I ran for VP of my College Student Union as a conservative in the late 70’s (a small Technical College in Hampshire and incidentally won) and it seemed like we were “tasteful” before almost anything else. The “loyal, royal opposition” I suppose. Labor were always the grease covered knuckle dragers, while we Conservatives knew how to pour tea and could be trusted with a shotgun.

Reply to  Bartleby
July 24, 2017 9:48 pm

BTW, for the record I’m now considered a “grease covered knuckle dragger” myself. Times change. I’m still a conservative though and I can still handle a shotgun reliably. I probably don’t bathe often enough anymore…

john harmsworth
July 24, 2017 4:35 pm

I would like to say that the Brits have to play a careful game with what they say within earshot of Europe as the main event is Brexit negotiations, however, it’s pretty clear that Gove is a self serving, ambitious little weasel. In other words, a politician!

Reply to  john harmsworth
July 25, 2017 1:10 am

Indeed, politicians tend to “go native” when they find themselves running an area that they know nothing about, they simply parrot the world view of the Civil Servants who actually run things. Owen Patterson (former environment minister) got it right when he spoke about the Green Blob.

Janice Moore
July 24, 2017 4:39 pm

So. Michael Uriah Heep Gove wants President Trump to have “a change of heart”…. loves that environmentalist groups are good at “moving hearts.”
Science and good public policy are grounded in facts and sound, proven-effective, principles. Such things are largely the province of: the mind.
Response of Trump:
Response of Citizens of the United States of America:
We hired Mr. Trump to make America great again — not to put money into the pockets of EU cladding-pushers, wind-sc@mmers, and solar hu$tlers.

Reply to  Janice Moore
July 24, 2017 6:04 pm

Gotta love Uriah Heep!

Reply to  David Middleton
July 24, 2017 8:16 pm

Ah, memories. But a little rough. I don’t envy them having to perform that one live, but I doubt many in the venue felt much pain.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
July 24, 2017 8:34 pm

My reference was an attempt at an allusion to the Uriah Heep of the book David Copperfield, by Charles Dickens.
I have never heard of the band by that name.

Reply to  Janice Moore
July 25, 2017 12:41 am

“I have never heard of the band by that name.”
You must have had a sheltered upbringing !!
I agree with your “Michael Uriah Heep Gove” coment,
he’s a realy nasty little runt.
As a young man I used to enjoy Dickens
but haven’t been invited to one for years.

NW sage
July 24, 2017 4:40 pm

Gove’s statements and actions do seem to be a bit 2-faced — but then, he IS a politician! ‘Stab-In-The-Back’ is normal AND expected.

Reply to  NW sage
July 24, 2017 4:48 pm

A friend to a politician is someone that stabs you in the front.

Reply to  Fraizer
July 24, 2017 5:06 pm

No, he slides the knife in sideways so it doesn’t hurt as much.

July 24, 2017 4:47 pm

While photos can be deceptive, Gove looks like an idiot compared to President Trump.
Gove’s “take” on the “Green” movement makes me suspicious of his motives–has money anything to do with his support?

Gary Pearse
July 24, 2017 4:56 pm

There is no right wing in Europe and there hasn’t been a centrist even in 30-40yrs. Left ward drift hit the US in the new millennium and were it not for Trump, who wasn’t actually right wing really until he unwittingly took up this position in recognition of the country’s deep problems and their causes, the right would be dead as a dodo had HRC got in and we had another 8yrs of new clueless millennials hatched out.
Basically, he is a pragmatist businessman and if he can simply ignore the MSM and angry floundering Dems, and go to the districts of lefty Republicans and get voters to straighten them out, he will save the world from itself.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 24, 2017 8:15 pm

“There is no right wing in Europe and there hasn’t been a centrist even in 30-40yrs.”
That’s been my impression, too.
The only party in the world close to being conservative is the American Republican party. All other parties in the free world are some form of socialism to one degree or another.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 25, 2017 12:41 am

There is the AfD, Le Pen, the Dutch, the govts of Poland and Hungary (though maybe more nationalist than right wing?) and UKIP.
Many of which are failing and a bit of a joke, but they are there

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 5:47 am

Poland, Hungary, lol, not in it for the money? I know many in the UK that lost jobs to Hungarians. And what have Hungarians done for us?! Biro’s and automagic gearboxes.

John F. Hultquist
July 24, 2017 5:13 pm

since returning to the cabinet.
I went to that link. Reads like an episode of the 3 stooges
** an American vaudeville and comedy team active from 1928 until 1970, **
Non-serious people are in charge of the UK. Maybe when Trump is done kicking butt in the US, he can come over there and fix things.

Gerry, England
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
July 25, 2017 1:15 pm

That would be good of him. We already have a Trump Street in the City of London.

July 24, 2017 5:14 pm

Why shouldn’t he join the green squishies? The most prominent California GOP seem to have suddenly decided to back eviscerating the state economy in order to “save the world”. He has lots of company.

steve mcdonald
July 24, 2017 5:32 pm

If influencial and megaphone proponents of renewable energy and global warming horror were made to disclose their financial interests in the racket we would say in retrospect “That was bloody obvious wasn’t it”.

July 24, 2017 5:37 pm

How can someone regret something he himself had no part in? Methinks he meant he “resents” Trump’s decision, but aren’t all ministers assumed to be supremely literate? Sad!

July 24, 2017 5:43 pm

This pendulum will swing back eventually. How much civilization remains is the question.

July 24, 2017 5:51 pm

“……..Instead, Britain would compete on quality and not take part in a “race to the bottom” to win new trading relationships, he said…….”
Now that is more than a little outside his Bailiwick and I sense this is a guy playing some leadership cards, and is making all the right noises to appease the anti Brexiters.
Well now we have a Brexit and a “green” Brexit.
I am tipping you won’t be able to tell the difference.

July 24, 2017 5:52 pm

Gove’s modus operandum as Boris knew!comment image?w=640

July 24, 2017 6:02 pm

Why does the picture of Mr. Gove remind me of Alfred E. Neuman?

Juan Slayton
Reply to  SMC
July 24, 2017 6:17 pm

Astonishing, SMC, that was exactly my reaction. “What, me worry?”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Juan Slayton
July 24, 2017 8:40 pm

For Mr. Slayton:comment image

Navy Bob
Reply to  SMC
July 24, 2017 6:38 pm

More like the bastard son of Austin Powers and a transgender Alfred E. Neuman (or vice versa.)

Mike McMillan
Reply to  SMC
July 24, 2017 6:41 pm

I think it’s the camera angle.

Janice Moore
Reply to  SMC
July 24, 2017 8:38 pm
Martin A
Reply to  SMC
July 25, 2017 3:16 am

My thought exactly

July 24, 2017 6:07 pm

“…Gove praises the contribution of green organisations like the WWF and Greenpeace.”
Here is an “idiot” from Greenpeace:

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
July 24, 2017 6:11 pm

Too bad Cruz didn’t win. He wouldn’t be tweeting lies and crazy stuff. No one could win a debate with him…

Mike McMillan
Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
July 24, 2017 6:46 pm

Trump always dodged debating Cruz. Wise move.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
July 24, 2017 11:10 pm

I think Cruz is just a little too close to the Bush family and their establishment views. Time will tell if I am right or way of the mark.

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
July 24, 2017 6:59 pm

Yes – no Cruz Trump debate – too bad…Trump wouldn’t allow it…

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
July 24, 2017 7:48 pm

I thought the Governor of Ohio prevented the Trump Cruz debate by staying in to the end with virtually no support in the polls

Tom Halla
July 24, 2017 6:09 pm

Gove comes across as the sort of squishy “moderates” like Schwartzenegger who portray themselves as the opposition party, and then sell out cheaply. A$$ hats, all.

Phil Rae
July 24, 2017 6:21 pm

Michael Gove also happens to be married to Sarah Vine, a journalist for the MSM. She is credited with guiding his political career, apparently, so this may be a strategic move undertaken on her advice. Gove was also one of the cabinet ministers fired by Teresa May after the Brexit vote so he’s probably just trying to weasel his way back into good grace. Anyway, they’re clearly an ambitious couple so they are doing this for reasons of his political career rather than anything else, I’m sure!

Reply to  Phil Rae
July 24, 2017 11:09 pm

Phil Rae
Gove is manoeuvring for Theresa May’s job. Always has been. And he’ll do anything to get it.

Phil Rae
Reply to  HotScot
July 25, 2017 5:17 am

HotScot +10
No doubt he dreams about such things but his fantasy was brought back down to Earth with a bump last time he made that pathetic attempt after the Brexit vote. I think he’s a smart-enough guy…..but “vaulting ambition, which o’erleaps itself and falls on th’other” (along with a wife who “chastises with the valour of her tongue”) have put paid to many otherwise sensible individuals from that neck-of-the-woods. Poor Macbeth….and poor Michael Gove, perchance? A future Shakespearean tragedy? /sarc

Reply to  Phil Rae
July 25, 2017 10:35 am

Out damn spot!
About the only Macbeth quote I remember from secondary school days. And we were even taken to see the 70’s movie in Glasgow by the English dept.
I don’t imaging Gove will ever be remembered in history though. Odious little oik.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Phil Rae
July 25, 2017 2:23 am

Sarah Vine is a columnist on the Daily Mail so I have today written to the editor:

It is a fact of life that a thriving economy and a democratic country needs an abundant, dependable, predictable, and affordable electricity supply simply and easily delivered to its population. It is also a fact of life that if you want to usurp that thriving economy and counter the democratic rights of the population you do everything you can in your power to disrupt that supply: I can remember the three-day weeks of the ‘70s.
It is my belief that our civil service and ministerial advisors have been infiltrated by those of a ‘Green’ persuasion whose aim in life is to make power supply in this country as difficult, spasmodic, complicated and expensive as they can. They have now managed to claim the scalp of Michael Gove, an otherwise extremely intelligent man who I would have thought more capable of independent thought; a man who would have seen through the Global Warming nonsense for the scam it is.
How many subsidy entrepreneurs are enriching themselves on the back of wind and solar farms that deliver very little for the people of this country? How many politicians, ex-Ministers and SPaDs have left Government to go and work for the lobby groups/energy companies pushing the Green nightmare? (Sir Ed Davey is a case in point). How many people think that a battery is a source of power (hint: it is NOT a generator)?
I suggest that when it comes to the latest hair-brained idea of Mr Gove’s department to install ‘battery walls’ – that will potentially ‘save users up to £40B over the next few decades’ (!!) – Mr Gove should ask himself, just who will benefit from the scheme? And how? It most assuredly will not be the poorer members of society, those living in tower blocks, social housing, or rental accommodation. No, it will be the high earners and the wealthy who can afford solar arrays and battery walls; it will be second home-owners whose empty homes they will turn into mini power-stations and earn their owners easy money even when empty – particularly when empty. Most of all it will be the lobbyists for the battery companies who have sold this ‘pup’ to government. It will, incidentally, also enrich insurance companies who will raise the fire insurance premiums for owners of properties with, what are in effect, potential fire-bombs sold as battery back-up installed. (The thought of a tower block’s multiple battery walls catching fire does not, we can see, need much imagination).
I come back to the point that we need abundant and easily delivered reliable power supplies in this country, and we have the coal and gas – and, at some point, nuclear – systems to do just that. There would be no need for expensive subsidies (which at present make electricity three times the cost it need be) and there would be no ugly wind and solar farms scattered around the country mostly doing very little to keep our lights on, and preventing our industry producing the country’s wealth. This country, and the West in particular, is not going to change the climate (if indeed it needs to be changed) by beggaring itself by throwing money at third-world polluters who have a vested interest in bringing the West down. People should understand that China is a UN-defined ‘developing Nation’ – and will always be so defined: this is their get-out-of-jail-free-card which they will always be able to hide behind when it comes to (not) cleaning up their act. Mr Gove should have the courage to rely on his own intelligence and discuss this with people outside his department who do not have a political axe to grind: there are too many Greens in government and I didn’t vote for them.

(My apologies if the formatting goes awry)

Phil Rae
Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 25, 2017 5:19 am

Harry Passfield +100
The formatting is great….the content is even better! I’d love to see it published tomorrow! Fat chance, sadly!

colin smith
Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 25, 2017 8:19 am

Hare-brained better than hair-brained
/Proof reader!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 25, 2017 8:44 am

Thanks, Colin. And I used to be (amongst other jobs) a tech author! 🙂 That said, I think both spelling are accepted except I should not have inserted a hyphen in my spelling. 🙂

Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 25, 2017 11:10 am

You should check out the number of UK councils and housing associations who have already installed solar panels on social housing.
There is no doubt they will follow up with batteries to, in due course.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 25, 2017 1:22 pm

Oh Griff! How little you know. Where I live the council installed solar and ground source heat pumps in tons of properties ‘they’ own. Guess who pays for that? Me!!! It doesn’t work!!!

July 24, 2017 6:40 pm

@ Phil Rae
Got in one!
Boris is out of the country ATM – better check that his seat at the house is still there when he returns. Just say’n

Phil Rae
Reply to  Kleinefeldmaus
July 25, 2017 5:26 am

Good point! I’m sure Boris has somebody sitting in his chair just to keep it occupied after that “Et tu, btute” moment. Actually, Gove did a decent enough job in Education….at least trying to stop the rot in standards and the ongoing devaluation of exam results. He’s no fool, of that I’m pretty sure. However, he’s a politician so all bets are off when it comes to doing the right thing for the environment versus doing what he perceives to be the best thing for his career. What a dirty business!

Phil Rae
Reply to  Phil Rae
July 25, 2017 5:28 am

Sorry! “Et tu, Brute” obviously!

July 24, 2017 6:44 pm

Don’t you just love those red eyed WWF land grabbers…
Maybe he thought they were border collies.

Patrick B
July 24, 2017 7:34 pm

Sorry Mr Grove but your agreement with Mr. Obama is not an agreement with the United States.

July 24, 2017 7:37 pm

Do we have a time frame of when Michael Gove becomes Michelle Grove or was it Michelle Grove who transgendered into Michael Gove.

July 24, 2017 8:23 pm

From the article: “Michael Gove has said he “deeply regrets” Donald Trump’s approach to the Paris agreement on climate change and hopes the president will have a change of heart”
How many billions of dollars is Britain on the hook for through the UN Green Climate Fund and the Paris Accord?
Mr. Gove should be deeply concerned that Britain might just be throwing their money away on the GCF when they have better things to spend that money on in Britain.

Reply to  TA
July 24, 2017 11:13 pm

2016 NHS defecit – £2.6Bn.
Current green budget £9Bn, rising to £14Bn by 2020. £300Bn total spend by 2050.
You bet we have better things to do with the money.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  HotScot
July 25, 2017 5:44 am

It’s OK the UK will import migrants from the former eastern block countries, like Poland and Romania, all will be fine. Oh, wait! Not working too well is it?

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 25, 2017 10:31 am

Patrick MJD
The tragedy of that is it rips the physical and intellectual resources from the countries that desperately need it most, Poland/Romania etc. The UK, Germany and France have a net benefit, but how are emerging economies supposed to thrive when hollowed out.
That’s one of my main beefs about the EU in general.

July 24, 2017 9:11 pm

Gove reminds one of a used car salesman who just met a new sheep to fleece….or like fixing to speak to a large group of cons. And here is speaking to WWF and GP…so I stand confirmed…..

July 24, 2017 9:39 pm

Trump has made good on every campaign pledge that that has been allowed.
Gove seems like a lightweight!

July 24, 2017 9:49 pm

Gove is merely a typical Tory in the tradition of Margaret Thatcher so he tells whatever lie is appropriate to further whatever nonsense he is promoting at the time. When it is convenient to say something else or to blame someone else then he will. This is merely classic Thatcherism.

richard verney
Reply to  richardscourtney
July 24, 2017 10:08 pm

And is Corbyn any better?
Is any Labour politician any better?
Thatcher is probably the most principled of any recent politician. You might not like her principles, but she was for the main firm in what she stood for.
As you know, Wilson closed down twice as many deep mines as did Thatcher, and of course Thatcher inherited a base where heavy industry was in decline and coal for steam railways no longer required.
Whilst I consider that the closure of the mines could have been better handled by Thatcher and more support given to mining communities, the mining industry was destroyed by the unions (including those in shipbuilding, car industry and steel industry). It is the strikes of the 1960s and the subsequent loss of markets that came home to roost in the run up to Thatcherism.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  richardscourtney
July 25, 2017 2:26 am

Yes, Richard. He reminds me of Blair, of whom it was said: he always conveys the impression of the last person who sat on him.

Reply to  richardscourtney
July 25, 2017 4:44 am

What utter nonsense.

Reply to  DaveS
July 25, 2017 4:46 am

(with reference to the RSC post)

richard verney
July 24, 2017 9:58 pm

What is so silly about this is that Gove supported Brexit, and one of the gains that comes from Brexit is the ability of the UK to free itself from European policies on Climate Change and sustainability.
Much of Europe has banned fracking because of climate change policies. With Brexit, the UK should go full out on fracking following America’s lead on this, which demonstrates that fracking reduces CO2 by enabling a switch away from coal to gas.
If one wishes to reduce CO2 emissions (and I do not subscribe to that desire), then it is clear that the UK should close down its biomass and coal plants and instead use fracked gas. That would significantly reduce the UK’s CO2 emissions and would enable energy production at competitive price for industry. With Brexit, the UK should realign its economy, and do everything to boost its industrial base and give its industry a competitive edge over industry in Europe.
Gove is being very short sighted and as a Brexiteer, I am surprised by this. He has gone down in my esteem.

Reply to  richard verney
July 25, 2017 12:38 am

The UK yesterday announced a programme of battery research to support the new renewable energy world. On the same day the National Grid announced a new programme of saving consumers money through demand response and earning from their own solar panels.
A new floating windfarm is being built off the coat, Scotland had a record 6 months for wind energy production… and so on.
The UK, in or out of the EU, is full on behind Paris and going for renewables.
Trump’s policy is not swaying anyone outside his own supporters

Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 12:39 am

Oops! coast, not coat.
Though maybe there is one going up off the coat.

richard verney
Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 1:19 am

Crazy isn’t it? All because the madness of crowds.
The full cost of these mad mad schemes, that do not in practice reduce CO2, will come back to bite. In the meantime consumers are being fleeced with exorbitant energy costs and hence less money is being spent in more productive areas of the economy.
Truly, a lose lose situation.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 1:34 am

Poor old griff
taken the bait, drunk the koolaid, believes what people say, not what they do.
The massively amusing facts are that while everybody is frantically bigging up renewables and virtue signalling till they have w**kers cramp, the biggest increase in global electrical generation capacity are being powered by coal, followed by nuclear.
The ‘stories about renewables’ are just that. Stories to keep the greens from wetting themselves.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 5:41 am

“richard verney July 25, 2017 at 1:19 am
Crazy isn’t it? All because the madness of crowds.”

Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 5:45 am

Except, Leo, you can get the figures from the power companies on terrawatt hours generated (or not generated, in the case of coal) and you can go eyeball the wind turbines…
These things are up and running/being constructed.

Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 6:52 am

The UK, in or out of the EU, is full on behind Paris and going for broke.

Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 12:06 pm

Yes, apparently Scotland had such a record 6 months that they actually produced all the electricity they needed for 6 days.
Hmm, not sure what they planned on doing for the other 5 months and 3 weeks if they had to rely on windo alone.

July 24, 2017 10:08 pm

Britain better stop the inbreeding program . Go ahead Britain sell out your population to a scam but don’t scold a USA President or the next time Germany wants to adopt you Uncle Sam may not be home when you call for bail out .

July 24, 2017 10:35 pm

@ richard verney
Gove (or more likely his wife) is simply ambitious – beginning and end of story. TM better watch her step.comment image?w=640

July 25, 2017 12:35 am

Yes, Gove has done a radio interview in which he says he has been a ‘shy green’ and repeatedly backed Paris even before this latest pronouncement.
His green credentials and new found enthusiasm were a great surprise to most British observers!

Leo Smith
Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 1:35 am

But not to you apparently, who believe every word.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 5:40 am

Never heard of this twonk before this WUWT post.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 25, 2017 8:28 am

Only a year ago he was within a whisker of being the British PM

July 25, 2017 1:51 am

Looks like Gove got the job under certain conditions, as PM Mrs May and her entire cabinet are all True Believers. (except Boris, who is clearly sceptical of the entire racket) There’s no way she’d allow a highly capable sceptic like Owen Patterson anywhere near cabinet because he’d nail Green Blob lies faster than you could say ‘I’m afraid it’s a gigantic fraud, m’lud’.
Gove is also renowned for his clear thinking and logic, so to hear him speak in the gushing terms he did of a completely useless and irrelevant Paris Accord was surprising and disappointing.

Reply to  CheshireRed
July 25, 2017 3:08 am

But don’t forget H. L. Mencken who said:-
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.. Still applies – even to the likes of Gove.

Reply to  Kleinefeldmaus
July 25, 2017 3:43 am

Completely agree about that quote re AGW. In fact it shows what a piece of genius its been. How else could they rope in every single government of the world? (bar NK) Climate effects everyone so there it is; the perfect catch-all vehicle. Brilliant, tbf.

Reply to  Kleinefeldmaus
July 25, 2017 6:44 am

Islamoterrorism isn’t imaginary, but it has been fostered…

michael hart
July 25, 2017 4:02 am

The political chasm between Gove and Greenpeace is unbridgeable. Instinctively, they will never support him, much less trust him. (Not sure who would trust him these days.) Extreme green voters are not likely to suddenly go Conservative in response to anything he says or does.
So toadying towards these groups now, especially when there is not an election scheduled, needs some other explanation. It is not unreasonable to suspect patronage and money behind the scenes, involving some ‘green’ benefactor whether an institution, corporation, or super-wealthy individual.
He would also do well to remember the last time animal rights activists were making front page news in the UK was when they were digging up human graves of people involved in companies related to animal testing for the pharmaceutical industry. The whole banking industry were so intimidated by threats of violence that they refused to offer banking services to one company. The pharmaceutical industry warned of the consequences of such legally-required testing being forced out of the UK by intimidation. The Bank of England itself stepped in to offer banking services to the company in question.
Gove is playing with fire when he gives encouragement to such people, and he will receive zero political gain for such foolish words.

Reply to  michael hart
July 25, 2017 5:48 am

Greenpeace and the Green party are utterly irrelevant in UK government/in UK government policy.
Accepting the science of climate change and supporting renewables (so long as they don’t block the view from one’s country estate) are mainstream, entrenched policies in all UK (electable) political parties.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 25, 2017 4:42 am

In order to understand Gove just look at his wife who comes straight out of the ‘Scottish play’. Someone sometime will write a play about Lady McGove.

July 25, 2017 4:43 am

While at the Department for Education Gove recognised the deeply entrenched establishment group-think which resisted any attempt to improve standards, which he referred to as ‘the blob’. That he is now unable, or unwilling, to recognise the equally entrenched establishment group-think of ‘the green blob’ regrettably demonstrates the extent to which he’s fallen apart since his bizarre actions in the Tory leadership contest.

Patrick MJD
July 25, 2017 5:38 am

Gove definitely looks like a politician, probably breeding that might surpass the royals.

July 25, 2017 5:57 am

I’m just speculating here, but it might be that Mr. Grove is simply puffing a bit of hot air towards the green blob, thus avoiding the blob’s massive attack (for now).

July 25, 2017 6:42 am

The simple fact is all the political parties in the UK are signed up.
That isn’t going to change….
As the government unveiled plans for a more flexible energy system and £246m of funding for battery research, Greg Clark told the Guardian that a smarter grid would “radically” bring down bills.

“If only we can capture it [power from the sun and wind] then we can go from energy being a worrying cost to people, to being, if not free, then very cheap,” Clark said, speaking in Birmingham on Monday as he put energy at the centre of the government’s industrial strategy.

We might possibly be leaving the EU, but that’s a power thing.

July 25, 2017 8:08 am

American ‘chlorine chicken’ will test Gove’s mettle, don’t and have never liked the maggot, but do hope he prevails in the chicken fight.

July 25, 2017 10:23 am

“Environmental organisations – from WWF to the RSPB, the Wildlife Trusts to Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth – enjoy memberships in the tens and hundreds of thousands, and also the support of millions more and a capacity to move hearts more powerful than any other set of institutions in our civil society.”
Seriously? A government Minister is using those groups as relevant to discussions? Greenpeace and FOE have consistently lied to achieve ends, deceiving their donor groups, on a whole host of issues
When any politician comes forward and actually allows a civil debate on environmental issues then perhaps I’d take them seriously. As it is they simply move whichever way the wind blows truth and facts be damned.

Reply to  buggs
July 25, 2017 11:07 am

Well they do have many members, but they only indirectly influence UK govt policy…
It isn’t green groups which are driving UK govt support for Paris, the Climate Act and renewables – it is baked into the UK govt.
What’s the big good news in the UK today?
BMW are investing in a car plant to build a new model.
An electric Mini…

Reply to  Griff
July 25, 2017 11:51 am

To be subsidised by taxpayers, the Government Plug-in Car Grant can help you save as much as £4,500 on a selection of brand new environmentally friendly electric and plug-in hybrid cars. ..

Terry Warner
July 25, 2017 10:25 am

Left to its own devices with no government oversight or control the oil and coal industries would crucify the planet in pursuit of cheap energy. Britain through coal burning created smogs, coal plants near Beijing reduce visibility close to zero, Exxon Valdez would have been repeated many times over without control and penalties, BP destroyed much of the Gulf and paid a fortune for the pleasure.
It is also the case that costs per mwh for greener technologies is moving ever closer to carbon. The issue of storage has yet to be adequately solved for intermittent output.
But overall I think we are seeing the last decade or two of wide scale conventional energy.
– Consumption will decline with improved transport efficiency, building design etc.
– Nuclear will make up a larger proportion of base load
– Battery technology will continue to improve allowing greater range and possibly home storage.
– The cost of green technologies will continue to fall, albeit not at the rate of the last 10 years.
– Social changes will reduce long distance travel – on-line shopping, e-networking, work from home
Oil and coal have had their time as the dominant energy technology. The change will not be sudden but over 1 to 3 decades
– electric vehicles will be the norm,
– building design will largely eliminate the need for heating and cooling,
– genetic modification will reduce or obliterate the need for oil based chemicals in agriculture,
– food processing and manufacturing industries will continue to reduce the energy cost of production
– V8s and similar technologies will become a heritage industry – like rodeos (US) and steam engines (UK)

July 25, 2017 1:55 pm

I think Alfred E . Newman is smarter .

July 25, 2017 2:14 pm

Gove: NO petrol or diesel cars to be sold in the UK from 1940 !
Gove infamously announced “we need no experts”; no surprise he is now taking advice from the climate change charlatans.

Reply to  vukcevic
July 25, 2017 2:18 pm

correction: ‘from 1940’ should be ‘from 2040’ error due to the brain retardation to the years long before I existed.

Reply to  vukcevic
July 25, 2017 5:58 pm

@ vukcevic – no petrol or diesel from 2040 eh? Pretty safe distance – typical polly talk. Hell could freeze over before then -or maybe the Russians will be coming – probably will too! – that was a big scare a-while back Wotta twerp.

July 25, 2017 4:56 pm

The British “Conservative” Party is almost nothing but “squishes.” Wake me up when that changes.

July 25, 2017 8:58 pm

Sold out to Big Green, and sucking up to the creepy WWF.
Globalism. My god it sucks. A world governed by drunks with fake-tans on behalf of crony lobbyists, all terribly green of course. Our future.

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